/lit/ - Literature

Therapy, find a psychologist or something. Maybe going to a church will help.

>>18842447
Go to Church anon. Talk to a professional. You probably have some hidden talents that help make you unique, but you've never explored them. Godspeed anon.

p.s. you are a good writer, have you thought about doing a bio?

>>18842447
anon

>>18842463
I'm not the OP, but since he does seem to write a lot. Consider reading a book called Expressive Writing by James Pennebaker.

>>18842447
You sound like a Dostoevsky character. Read some of his novellas and short stories.
Seek professional and go to church anon. I know you have it in you to turn things around.

>>18842492
*seek professional help

>>18842447

You are exponentially more self-aware than the average person.

Explore things you find interesting and you'll eventually find something you're good at.

>>18842456
Someone want to breakdown what the big hoo-hah with therapists is?

Every day I see people recommending getting therapy for depression or anxiety or whatever other neuroses people are suffering from. But what exactly is the difference between seeing a therapist and the traditional advice you get online?

Yeah I know I should exercise routinely, lift, eat a healthier diet, get some hobbies, join some clubs, go out with 'friends' and that all of these things together will "help immensely". But that is all you fucking hear online. The same advice over and over and over. That tired advice + "see a therapist".

So what are the therapists saying / doing that is so fucking great yet isn't trickling down to the internet? What can a therapist tell me that isn't either a trite platitude OR good advice that I'm not obligated to follow? It's all very well saying I should be eating better, joining clubs and shit but I'm not obliged to do any of that shit; I can barely get out of bed in the morning. How is a therapist going to help that? They just want to sell you pills, so they can continue mindlessly enjoying and distracting themselves, from the fact that life seems to be suffering.

Cant hurt me

>>18842571
What if those pills stop your pathetic self-hatred, anon?

I'm in my early 30s and I'm so morally, intellectually, and motivationally spooked out. There's nothing left in the tank.

It took me many years after university to get a good office job because I'm an ugly autist that found it hard to bs interviews without experience. Now that I've got experience, I'm seeing how banal and normiecentric the workplace is. I doubt my own promotion prospects past the lower middle manager range. Networking is pushed to an extreme degree in my large company. Doing work with a tangible end product is very low status.

After some prior bad experiences, I thought I had learnt how to sufficiently fake being a normie but I have this horrific female manager who is the most generic normie imaginable, and who thinks there is something horrifically wrong with me for not spending half of every meeting talking about holidays or my family or generic normieshit. With people like this in charge, and the entire HR apparatus backing her up, I can see why autism is perceived to be so widespread.

Of course, the male escape hatch from the above would be if I was a poshclone or ladbantzclone or cheekychappyclone. But I'm none of those and never will be.

Homeworking due to covid has been a large benefit to life, and I've saved lots of money because of it, and avoided countless awkward normie encounters and horrendous hours commuting or in scatterbrained open offices. I pray for new variants.

I have had no friends or social experiences since school, no female attention ever, and I'm an ugly beta male. "Just lifting bro" did nothing. My entire adult life has been a total social blank. I did not experience one drop of "the university experience" while at university. I disliked my subject, so it was even an intellectual blank.

I am not a motivated person. My main hobbies for the past 7 years have been walking around or driving outside, while listening to podcasts, and then binging on junk food and coffee while telling myself I'll start my real life tomorrow by working hard on stuff and having productive hobbies.

I used to read a lot of novels, and still read some amount, but it's a consumercuck hobby. I forget practically everything I read and I don't think I could have an extended conversation about anything. I don't think it's an intelligence issue. I did well in education up until the last few years of university, where my motivation plummeted due to being incelblackpilled. I simply have no major interests. I exercise regularly but I'm thankfully not spooked enough to think this is meaningful.

>>18842447
Your writing prose seems to be pretty impressive, that's definitely something you could try exploring if you haven't already. How experienced are you in literature? How much have you read in your lifetime?

>>18842596

My current main aspiration is to muster the motivation to learn programming so I can do productive stuff in my free time. I also want to continue saving to invest money in stonks and crypto. I will have to either fake being happy at work or try to get an autism diagnosis.

I fully understand that I have a life on European Extreme mode because I'm an ugly male, with women and Chads getting everything handed to them. I fully understand that normies know I'm not one of them after one minute of discussion.

I fully understand that progressivism will continue to win and there's nothing left to do except watch.

I'm not deluded enough to rationalise away any of the above issues with spiritualism, religion, metaphysics, etc.

>>18842584
Nothing will. I have been conditioned to act like this since I was a child.

While I don't doubt the efficacy of SSRI's (as in, take away your unhappiness to make you feel empty), I take more comfort in pessimistic or defeatism views of the world.

I can be drifting off peacefully but then I'll remember something bad from my childhood and the seething rage it creates wakes me right back up. I want comfort. That's why I'm asking for actual defeatist books that I can take comfort on.

>>18842571
Most of the point of the therapist is either pointing out blind spots or straight delusions in your thinking if you have any (I.e. if you say someone hates you’ll they’ll ask what the evidence is for that and see if it’s real or just paranoia), and just having someone that your interact with every week that you can be accountable to for behavior changes.
It’s kind of overrated to me but I’m not that functional either.

>>18842602
Fuck off with this navel gazing psycho bullshit; this isn’t your thread.

I used to struggle talking about books but get the basics down that most people on /lit/ condescend which is tell the plot of the story and then make an reaction to the events.
Trying to skip the basics of recounting the plot prevents you from developing story telling skills and from creating a cohesive narrative of your reactions.

Buy modern poetry books and recount the poetic images and talk about the philosophical ideas. Specialise for a type of girl you want to date for example a art hoe loves poetry. If you want someone who loves films watch films. I get filtered by Plato and I don't think history is based off philosophy as the masses and politicians don't study it, so read history and don't feel bad that they're larger concepts behind it.

>>18842571
You would know that if you read a book on therapy instead of bitching about it on 4chan. Consider that some artists "have it all" (eat healthy, hobbies, exercise, go out with friends) and still get depressed. You sound like an underage, not even joking. Specially this pill talk, it has nothing to do with meds.
Also it has nothing to do with life being suffering or anything. I won't bother, there is always a retard saying things such your post and they end up saying shit like >>18842604.
>Nothing will. I have been conditioned to act like this since I was a child.
This is basically behaviorism, and works both ways. You can "do and undo" lots of things. In the sense that a lot of things can be fixed with therapy.

>>18842878
Are you reading this Dr. Peterson? This is your job. You find a way of explaining what therapy is to retards on this board.

>>18842447
Greeks
NOW!

>>18842571
First of all, it's psychiatrists who dish out meds. They are physicians and not therapists. The reason anons are telling you to see a therapist is that the internet can't help you. Any of the usual self-help stuff online is either too specific to apply to your circumstances, or too vague to really be any help.

If you want to get past the failure that has characterized your life up to this point, you're gonna need specific, long-term goals and a detailed plan for what you'll do day-to-day to achieve them. Since you're such a fucking loser you probably will need help with this and that's where the therapist comes in. Basically someone to figure out how you want to structure your life and hold you accountable. Be careful and do your research when picking out a therapist though, many of them are fucked in the head themselves and have no business trying to help other people.

I hate myself a lot too, for me it's a pride thing. Basically I view my deficiencies as something to be looked down on with contempt. This soothes my ego in the short term because it places me above the parts of my character that I dislike, but the net result is misery.

>>18842447
It's much better to hate yourself than to hate the entire world, anon, trust me. Sometimes I look at people and think about humanity and I feel the same disgust as if I was offered a dish of worms to eat.

>>18842447
>self-hatred
Yes anon. Embrace it and sublime it. A nation must ravage itself before foreigners can ravage it, a man must despise himself before others can despise him.

>>18842604
>Nothing will.
Anon, I'm 30 years old. I've suffered from a variety of mental illnesses since I was old enough to get diagnosed. This year, for the first time, I've finally found a cocktail of meds that actually makes me feel like a functioning human being. For the first time after ~25 years.

My crippling self-hatred is down to a mild, almost fond annoyance instead. Get help. Do not listen to people who tell you shit about meds and therapy not working, and don't listen to yourself either.

>>18842447
>Any books that can capture this feeling of absolute defeatism?
my diary desu
I'm also a 30 year old neet virgin failure anon, I'd offer to be friends but we both know that won't happen

>>18842571
Most therapists will simply sit there and listen to you talk without judgement. If you find a decent Freudian, they will try to help you overcome the problems in your thinking so that you can improve your life. The only problem for you will be that they are like the rest of the educated class, and are unlikely to be able to spot where there is a conflict of values that they should leave be.

>>18842596
It sounds like you need to find something you actually enjoy doing. This sounds a bit childish to say, but maybe buy some beginner hobby sets. Just a couple cheap ones, on different subjects. A model set
https://smile.amazon.de/dp/B01MV29JZI/ref=sspa_dk_detail_3?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B01MV29JZI&pd_rd_w=HM0LO&pf_rd_p=4060291c-d237-411a-a3fe-4e44df687a4d&pd_rd_wg=adSYc&pf_rd_r=G2WCWWJFG1FH0RWAJDFH&pd_rd_r=7383be01-e8c9-449c-bd88-311eaa3f3e8a&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyVzI3VERCWlBYWFYmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTAyOTQ2NzQzMVRRTUVLUzlXRUxaJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA0MTA4MTlHOUU4TEpTS1RHOEMmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWwmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl
you can make little biotopes with a big glass and some dirt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyY1FNNCVv0&ab_channel=Jartopia
I don't know, you can learn to throw knives. There's all kinds of stuff

>>18842447
Hermann Ungar - The Maimed
Robert Walser - Helbling's Story or The Walk

Remember that most people feel like shit no matter what they have achieved or where they are in life. Life sucks and that is the truth. The earlier you understand that the easier youre gonna have it. People who are actually happy in life are extremely rare and most fall into the catagory of being completely unaware of the suffering of consciousness.

>>18842447
What you need to read is Psycho Cybernetics. Thank me l8er

>>18842447
Kek i wondered if i writed this post. Im literally all you mentioned except obese(manlet tho) and my dick is regular size

>>18842447
>also stupid, like stupid in an embarrassing way where I make a fool of myself whenever I talk to people which luckily I almost do none of these days.

This hits hard for me. Where are you from OP?

>>18846261
What's regular size?

>>18843396
>If you want to get past the failure that has characterized your life up to this point, you're gonna need specific, long-term goals and a detailed plan for what you'll do day-to-day to achieve them. Since you're such a fucking loser you probably will need help with this and that's where the therapist comes in. Basically someone to figure out how you want to structure your life and hold you accountable. Be careful and do your research when picking out a therapist though, many of them are fucked in the head themselves and have no business trying to help other people.
If there existed worthy goals or ends on this Earth, none of us would be in this predicament. It is only a deep faithlessness that can allow a man to debase himself so, to squander the bloom and fortune of his life, the only one any of us shall ever have.

>>18846321
8 inches

>>18846321
14.5cm don't listen to 8inch poster

i graduated college right into the 2008 crisis, so now in my mind getting a real job is just impossible. i do have a super comfy part time job that covers all my bills, but its more than ten years later and i still haven't made any attempt to get a full time job. my boss at the place i work even expected me to apply when a full time job opened up but in my mind i'm thinking "no way i get that" and didn't bother. they gave it to some lame thot that lied on her resume and refuses to help with anything not written in to her job description. bummer.

>>18842447
Damn, that's rough man. But you did inspire me to go work out right now. My hangover is pretty much done, and some medium cardio on the rowing machine would be the best thing I can do for myself right now.

>>18842447
Since you are worthless and an idiot, you don't mean anything to anybody. You are a blank slate. You are nothing. You are... free? Free to do anything you want. Why care about looking stupid while doing something if you are already lowest of the low?
You say that you are an idiot and refuse to do things because deep down, your subconscious sees you as immaculate and divine. I know this. You don't do things because you fear that this self-imposed divine status will crumble at the first failure.
You are an orthodox icon in a church covered with a thin veil, and you throw shit at the veil to keep people and experiences away, away from the enshrouded divine icon.
You depict yourself this way because you want to be special, you want to be a chaos god too depraved for the mortal world, but alas you are currently trapped in a flesh prison. So go lift weights, cut some wood, fuck a whore, cook a meal, and maybe all the movement will make the veil fall down, you will accidentally throw shit at the icon and you will realize that what I have wrote is the truth, because I was and am in the same situation as you.

>>18842447
Stop feeling sorry for yourself and just start with small improvements. Start with your diet.

>>18842447
The rope is unironically ur only hope

Not literature. Jannies delete this thread.

>>18842447
The Myth if Sisyphus by Camus
once you accept and internalize that life is suffering it becomes much more tolerable

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>>18842596
Can't believe I can recognize a Londonfrog post without the picture

>>18847761
>chuck palahniuk

>>18842447
theres nothing wrong with living with your family.
if anything should be wrong it is the projection from consumed souls onto an internal milieu that something is wrong with living with your family.
i am 27 and live with my parents. lost weight fatass.

>>18847762
Kek it's unmistakably him

>>18842447
Kafka

>>18842596
Go work on a farm, it will change you. It worked for me at least

>>18842596
I've just graduated and this is gonna be my life, fugg bros whats the way out