/lit/ - Literature

>>18826403
Arnold retroactively refuted by Hippias Minor.

>>18826403
lmao look at their faces

>>18826403
>these people are better humans than you because they are disabled and if you disagree with our society's posturing and tokenism and the systematic dismantling of merit you are an evil scumbag
clown world

Maybe he grew up surrounded by a bunch of traumatized old men who had their limbs blown off because they believed in the evil lie of Social Darwinism and then he got the fuck out of there and moved to America.

https://youtu.be/kpEDSvaP_-8

>>18826438
>defends retards who persevere in the face of adversity
>chides retard who acts like a crab in a bucket

Arnie behave like the true giga chad.

>>18826471
>in the face of adversity
without the institution of special olympics these people wouldn't compete.

>>18826476
And without wheel chair ramps they wouldnt be able to eat in restaurants. Your point?

>>18826476
You don't really get it huh
People who become successful in life don't rely on the existence of an institution or anything else
Just because one is or isn't there that's not what really accounts for the success
It's just a mode that you're either in or you're not so you can take away the institution but the mode is still there

>>18826438
Reaching the perfection one is capable of is literally the basis of Greco-Roman ethics.

A bugman utilitarian would say that they are absorbing utils.

Why didn't Arnie either ignore him or actually try to refute his actual argument instead of behaving exactly like a woman would?

Anon shitposts
Arnie does nothing to actually refute him and instead attacks him.
Arnie says that anon adds nothing to the world by shitposting as a troll yet trolls have added a lot of keks to the world.
Arnie says he just wants attention and he gives him attention.
Says he will be forgotten but will be reposted all around the internet.

>>18826534
How is the mode there when your very life force is composed of debilitating genes and all of the idiots around want more to share the same pain?
If society no longer has the courage to opt them out, we should at least have the humility to give them a choice.

>>18826534
>Just because one is or isn't there that's not what really accounts for the success
It literally does in this case though. Without the idea that "special olympics" should be a thing, disabled people would not be able to "win" at anything. It's not like a guy in a wheelchair can play basketball and compete in the NBA. I'm not saying that disabled people should be shunned or that they shouldn't play sports, but the entire framework by which the disabled sportsperson can "win" is artificial, and so is the idea that they can "succeed in the face of adversity", there is a huge institutional help to transform adversity into opportunity. This is part of the same narrative that gives people awards for being black, female, or gay. Do these people have no merit? Maybe, but without the institutional caveat that they will be awarded because of their gender/race/kinks first and foremost their presence in the race would be irrelevant, whether they win or not, because there would be no "adversity" to compete against. Without opportunity you cannot do shit in life, this is something that motivational speakers never talk about. When institutions fabricate opportunity for arbitrary groups they are dismantling the worth of individuals. It's an obvious totalitarian tactic.

>>18826730
this is just as true for women though across most categories of physical activity. Do you support the disbandment of women's teams for everything?

Giving people something to do that they can feel good about is a core feature of a workable society, imo. Disbanding every organization that tries to include people in society except the best and greatest leaves you with a couple organizations sorted exclusively by the random play of genetics more or less.

I don't care about gays or trannies, because in the latter's case it's not even real and gays are basically just aberrations that are physically mostly the same except for brain malfunctions, so splitting the sports up for them makes no sense.

>>18826438
you have to be 18 to post here

>>18826752
>this is just as true for women though across most categories of physical activity. Do you support the disbandment of women's teams for everything?
I think sports as a competitive institutions are fucking terrible and should be disbanded in their entirety.
>Giving people something to do that they can feel good about is a core feature of a workable society, imo.
A workable society is one where people have peace, stability, a community, a family, and work that feeds them directly, not one where arbitrary past-times decide their worth.

>>18826534
>People who become successful in life don't rely on the existence of an institution or anything else
fucking kek

>>18826696
This is the 4/10 you will "get" to date/have kids with if you're sub-6'1, make less thann 200k/yr and don't have high social skills

>>18826403
Based Arnie. Intent is more important than outcome.

>>18826774
Why didn't Arnie take a photo with the cripples who didn't win then?

>>18826534
great poast anon

>>18826797
Or random healthy atheletes in normal competitions who gave it all but arrived last. Intent is everything after all.

>>18826403
this is from a decade ago, if you say this stuff today, you won't get arnold scolding you but your life is literally over instead

>>18826774
>Intent is more important than outcome
yeah maybe in the kingdom of god but not on earth especially in AUC 2774

>>18826534
Do you really believe this?

The ironic part about this is that the Paralympics is more creates segregation and divisions since they let people with varying degrees of physical disabilities compete in the same events, thus creating a discrimination between disabilities. For examplw, why don't they let all the people with one leg compete in the 100m, and everyone with no legs compete in a separate 100m instead of a mixture of people with no legs, one leg and many other stunted features? It seems to me like the Paralympics are more discriminatory than the Olympics.

>>18826816
Here's your gold for the oppression olympics

>>18826922
stfu nigger

>>18826797
Lol the ultimate refutation.

>>18826403
>Hurr durr you cannot criticise modern morals, only positivism exists and matters.
Cringe and virtuepilled

>>18826986
I'll never understand why Arnie doesn't visit Uganda or whatever, gather a bunch of starving people and go
>YU MAST WOHRK HAHRD HRHAHR IF YU CAHNNOT WIN AT LIFE JUST WOHRH HAHRDAH
since he seems to completely exclude the possibility that opportunity is a factor then his idea of success must be as true for starving African children as it is for Americans

>>18826534
AHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>18826403
DAmn, that comment was really well written.
As for Locke:
>MUH PROPPPERRTYY RIGGGHHTTTTS
Jesus Christ, no wonder Americans are freaks when it comes to their freedoms.

>>18827053
Yeah the editor did a good job

>>18826925
Pc police are notified and on their way, mom is not gonna be pleased anon

Bump
Is lit in agreement with arnie or OP here?

>>18828291
I think the following of the OP: He was crude but can be forgiven as he was shitposting and arnie never answered him at all so may as well not have said anything and even better he could have posted a picture of the retard olympics with cartman.

He has a point about the olympics but does it matter? Do the people who are just disabled like amputees compete with actual retards?

>>18828426
>He has a point about the olympics but does it matter? Do the people who are just disabled like amputees compete with actual retards?
The point is there's no rule saying they can't

>>18828466
? I would not want to compete with downies if I was just disabled. how could you even be glad about winning if half the opponents were drooling tards?

>>18826438
It’s because despite being disabled retards they work for achievement.
You could learn a lot from them, retard

>>18828483
So, OP is right then?

>>18828513
Arbitrary achievements

>>18828548
Yes, as opposed to those other Olympic gold medals which are so non-arbitrary and totally not just a path to get on the front of a wheaties box

>>18826403
the whole thing is a setup
I bet you Arnie had it all written up before he made the OP
likely even the complainer was paid off
...
just fucking read Baudrillard, people

>>18828566
Pretty sure they connote peak human ability, nothing arbitrary about that

>>18828628
>"The terrorism of systems in utter disregard for their own purpose can be seen at work in the Olympics, with the classical virtue of athletic specialization spiralling out of control and becoming more special than the special: the Special Olympics."
- Baudrillard

>>18828628
This isn't even far fetched at this point, it's plausible.

>>18829117
Connotation is not conference, nor even denotation— and that’s not even getting into the fact that being the best at twirling around on a pommel horse means fuck all until someone pays you.

I hate competitive sports so much, they make no sense outside of recreational games for children
even bodybuilding is less retarded than competitive sports, at least bodybuilders get some kind of end product from their efforts, the exercise and steroids actually produce something: a gigantic, swollen body one muscle fiber short of exploding. What do sportspeople even get out of their competition? People don't even care about kayak until they see a sportsperson with the flag of their nation on his chest competing to achieve some random number at the olympics. You can't even appreciate the women because they are all deformed from hyper-specialized exercizing. Most people don't even understand what kind of standards are there, like there was a chart that said that 100m runners run a little faster than 40km/h, that's like a motorcycle, you could be driving around in a car and these guys would catch up to you, nobody really knows what the world record really means, it's just a number to the vast majority of them. So once the olympian has won they're literally just a sponsor. It's terrible. Sports are one of the ugliest and most meaningless things and of course normies love watching them, because normies are naturally attracted to everything that is ugly and disgusting

>>18826403
What does the pic have to do with Locke?

>>18829210
Connotation is just perception, and performing something better than everyone else certainly doesn't mean fuck all

>>18829277
Absolutely the most incel reeking comment on this board atm. Sports show who is physically weak, which are naturally ugly and discusting. Athletes are naturally beautiful and refined. Suck a fat one chud

>>18829210
Objectively i am faster and stronger than you
Cope, seethe and dilate

>>18829453
Most athletes look pretty ugly even if they're fit because they build their entire bodies to perform a single task.
I would say that combat shows who is physically weak much better than sports. Bring back the gladiators.

>>18829475
Gladiatorial is a type of sports retard
Look up the definition before commenting lmao

>>18829437
>performing something better than everyone else certainly doesn't mean fuck all
then what issue do you have against the retards other than they are friends with arnold and get more pussy than you? YOU were the one who derided the accomplishments as arbitrary, so how about you go seethe somewhere else

>>18826438
Arnold is a retard like every other approved celebrity. It's a fake consensus

>>18826438
>demonstrating this severity of illiteracy on the literature board
I like to recommend to first timers "The Very Hungry Caterpillar" and "Cat in the Hat".

>>18829486
even combat sports in the olympics are retarded, they're literally about getting the other guy to do some arbitrary thing, like touching the mattress with a knee or some other thing
most olympic sports are completely self-serving.

>>18829494
It's arbitrary because regular people will beat them, their physical limitations stops them competing to be the best. Their best is an arbitrary term since it isn't the best, it's a best of disabled people, which in itself is indefinable, discriminatory and creates a false dogmatic image of strength and success.

>>18829514
Criticise the olympics then, not sport in itself

>>18829541
I don't hate sports, I hate institutionalized, competitive sports. Sports as recreation are great.

>>18826730
Anon you don't have to win at anything to be successful and happy with your life.
Think about it this way: if all of the people in the Olympics, special or otherwise, didn't have the Olympics do you think that their lives would just be worthless and terrible?
No, they'd just refocus their inbuilt energy and dedication to something else and most of them would probably have lives that are just as remarkable in some way as the one they have now.
Furthermore this all presupposes that the existence of the institution predates ordinary human ambition when in reality it was created by that very thing. It's easy to forget that all things in the human world were created by humans not some oppressive A.I.
It's quite convenient to think that all success in life relies on opportunity because it removes ones own responsibility. If your life is bad you just didn't have enough opportunity right? But the reality is that most successful people still create or at least put themselves in the best position to find opportunity. That's what the founders of the Olympics did in the first place.

>>18829543
>likes gladiators
>hates "competitive sports"
Lolwut

>>18829553
Implying success isn't just a byproduct of society reflected onto you

>>18829536
firstly, the honus is on you to prove you can beat them at their own sports-- of which their are sundry, with varying standards for competency and supremacy
and secondly-- ALL SPORTS ARE ARBITRARY.
take the Olympic weightlifter, who, for this example, we'll assume that by being the best in his sport he is actually the best on the planet. what worth does being able to do the best clean and jerk actually confer? is his strength translatable into othrwise useful things like building and lifting object irl, and even so, is this person better than someone who pays people to do that manual labor shit for them?
all success is based on standards that at some point can be considered arbitrary, so seethe, cope, and you might as well dilate too

>>18829553
>Anon you don't have to win at anything to be successful and happy with your life.
Then why does society love to create opportunity for arbitrary groups to be "winners" just so they can celebrate them as winners? This is some kind of basic hypocrisy about our society, and this spans over the entire population not just the disabled.
Artists go "talent doesn't exist, it's all hard work" "it's OK to be imperfect! just express yourslf" yet they post some clearly high effort thing that took them a long time and say "I made this amazing painting in 30 minutes haha it's just a sketch I'm not that good also I am 15 lol", they do everything they can to look talented while denying talent
on social media people posture all the time on authenticity and a simple life while doing everything they can to look glamorous, perfect, flawless, this weird two-way hypocrisy encompasses all modern thought. Nobody is going to celebrate some guy on a wheelchair who has a decent office job and he's happy just like that in his mediocrity, because people hate mediocrity but they also hate the concept of a winner. The special olympics athlete is the perfect ego stroke for normies who can satisfy both things, their hate for mediocrity and wishing mediocrity upon winners.
It's not annoying per se to have special olympics, but this idea that you need special olympics so people who are crippled are "inspired" in some way is fucking annoying, and it isn't even that, because as with most things the target of this isn't disabled people but able bodied normies who get off to the good feefees and also get off to thinking that these winnersare still inferior in some way.
It's all so clownish and stupidly convoluted.
>>18829556
I was obviously ironic dude, I don't want people to slaughter each other for my amusement.

>>18829536
You're based for your posts but you're cringe for arguing with subhumans on an offtopic thread

>>18829609
Yes, being the best at something directly translates into being better than everyone else, therefore more able to apply said attributes to other effects that other cannot. Being the best at something - as objectively as possible - is far from arbitrary, compared to being the best runner who has no legs. Cope, seethe and preferably dilate whilst you're at it.

>>18829641
lol you're doing yeomans work evading the points I'm making and sticking to your already-self-negated goalpost of arbitrary/not, so here's you (You), remember to pace yourself in your dilation, don't just jump right on that dragon dildo you've been saving

>>18829609
See >>18829462

What do you think would happen to special Olympics if say, disabled people had access to cybernetic enhancements that allowed them to vastly outperform normal athletes?
AFAIK it already happens with running and ironically, special olympics runners are rarely mentioned although they should be the poster children since they actually go faster than normal runners.

>>18826569
you know what also a basis of Greco-Roman ethics? killing ill, weak, disfigured newborns

>>18829664
>omg I love science
Olympics only matter when it's among nationalist states that are actually proud of their identity, not the shitshow that exists now.

>>18826403
sports/athletics were only admired because they indicated the fighting fitness of a population group/tribe/city/country i.e. you had the strongest, fastest guys, most deadliest guys equates to don't fuck with us.
Having retards and women competing is a feel good façade, it's just something meaningless to keep the tards and women busy and feel special. Don't get me wrong, Arnie's hearts in the right place but it's a midwit take at best.

Its easy to see why everyone here loves retards. This thread is full of them.