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Anybody read Warhammer books? I’m on the second book of the Horus Hereasy series and I’m enjoying it so far.

>>18818854
i used to read them a lot when i was a teenager. not saying that to be dismissive, i just dropped them at some point and lost interest. there's a few gems in there but a lot of it is really boring and poorly written shit, including some of the horus heresy books. if i remember right, first three were good, then flight of the eisenstein i found horrendously boring (and i've hated everything else from the same writer) and then there was a stretch of a few good books. last hh book i read was legion and it was also good.
generally your best bet is finding writers you like because the wrong author can make even exciting subject matter be painful to slog through.

What would be some interesting narratives to explore in a fantasy novel? I find concepts of death and reincarnation, damnation and salvation interesting.

What are some interesting or esoteric philosophical dichotomies? For a faction idea for my novel draft.

>when the character I hate gets ass raped

>>18818989
What if Sranc rape wounds that they have inflicted?

>>18818998
if there is scat involved I like it

>>18818837
Any opinions on Sun Eater?
>>18818854
I enjoy Dan Abnett's stuff, haven't tried anyone else

>>18818837
>Book Club
Seveneves, August 15
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22816087-seveneves

>>18819160
No one follows your club.

House of suns was surprisingly uneventful and slow.
Do I give Reynolds another chance?

>>18819318
Uneventful maybe isn’t the right word, it’s more that I just didn’t care about any of the events

>>18818854
Some time since but I didn’t. I was hoping for more complexity instead of just
>nurgle, some sword, now Horus is dark Horus
Or whatever happened, I barely remember

>>18819318
>>18819324
This one feels about the same. Best thing about Reynolds for me is how he builds setting revolving around space travel, aside of that there isn't anything remarkable.

Daily reminder that TUC is not the intended ending. Which is why Bakker went into hiding.

>>18819350
Yeah then he probably isn’t for me. I seem to prefer complexity surrounded in simplicity, instead of simplicity surrounded in complexity. If that makes sense.

>>18819318
I liked Revelation Space. But it's classic Reynolds, so it might not be for you. If you want a more fast-paced/action-driven story, try his Revenger-series.

>>18819351
Well it's obviously not an intended ending. Although if part 3 does not come out one way or another, I'm ready to settle for it since Consult's goal makes sense from their standpoint.

>>18819372
It seems to make sense for everyone given what we know so far, unless you are a Uber chad magic autist who can maybe join in on the spidering in the Outside or you snort a king and grasp the Absolute (Hegel btfo).
As the tekne and logos both just seem to be logic applied in the extreme it follows that the Consult are on the right track.

>>18818989
Seethe sandersoy you will never be a w*man

>>18819372
The chances of him releasing the No-God series are increasingly slim, in my opinion. I don’t know exactly what the variables at play are now.
On one hand, I doubt that he will want to leave his magnum opus unfinished, especially when I sincerely believe that the next book is already written. On the other hand, I don’t know how prideful he is to just self publish or launch a Kickstarter campaign. I Can’t honestly see a publisher picking up his books now, unless he gets a tv deal of some sort. It’s a big maybe, especially during the current “me too” era. Perhaps, after the Waste of Time and every other fantasy series adapted to TV fail to reach the Game of Thrones levels of hype.

>>18819400
>Seethe sandersoy you will never be a w*man

>when bakker writes about Big Black Seed

>>18819402
I don't even get how is kickstarter damaging for one's pride. If anything proving that you can release your shit without middleman on public support alone is validating for it.

>>18819433
Older people tend to think of "self-publishing" as being of a far lesser value than going through a REAL publisher. It's a prestige thing.

I for once am happy that this became /Bakker-general/.

>>18819402
Bakker’s past social media posts are very problematic for publishers and tv studios alike.

>>18819421
Based Wojak poster making sure discussion stays on Bakker.
>Based Wojak poster making sure discussion stays on Bakker

>>18819402
>Writes fuckhuge story about how whole world gets memed on by few adepts of Shortest Path
>Would not take shortest path
If Kellhus saw that crowdfunding is an optimal way to fulfillment of Thousandfold Thought, he'd have made pateron or kickstarter right away.

>>18818854
The Warhammer ones are typically much better, the Gotrek and Felix novels are pretty good pulp fantasy. Of those, the ones written by William king are the best.

>>18818989
>>18819414
>>18819421
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>>18819318
>>18819324
>>18819350
>>18819361
if you think reynolds is uneventful, never read a fire upon the deep. can't think of a more disappointing book with a better setup and a worse payoff than that. for reference i thought house of suns was cool as shit, even though i know exactly what you're referring to when you mean non-eventful.

>>18818845
fpwp

>>18819859
Based

>>18819624
Yeah but he won't. As another anon said in the last thread, Scott is an Akka who thinks he's a Kellhus. He's much more content to hold a grudge and wallow in his anger and self-pity than

That said, the current ending seems appreciably final to me. It hit me like a dump truck and left me reeling for days. He led us up a mountain only to kick us off at the top. We may be hanging on the cliff for dear life, hoping he'll throw us a rope some day; but the man seems to have moved on, and so should we.

And by that I mean we need to write our own fantasy masterpieces since Bakker has turned his back on writing.

gay scat is based

>>18819885
> He's much more content to hold a grudge and wallow in his anger and self-pity than
*than take dramatic action to accomplish his vision, even if it requires compromise and flexibility, two skillsets he seems exceptionally poor at.

>>18819889
>>18819421
>>18819414
>>18818989
Thanks for the bumps, samefagging Bakker-hating cunt. Your salty tears are delicious as the finest Conriyan anpoi.

>>18819896
>delicious as the finest Conriyan anpoi

>>18818837
Reddit strikes again. I seriously can't tell anything from this list. It's total melting pot.

>The r/Fantasy 2021 Top Novels Poll: Results!

1 The Stormlight Archive
2 Middle-Earth Universe
3 Mistborn
4 The Wheel of Time
5 A Song of Ice and Fire
6 First Law World
7 Discworld
8 The Realm of the Elderlings
9 The Kingkiller Chronicle
10 Gentleman Bastard

>>18819908
>9 The Kingkiller Chronicle
I ignore any source that recommends these books.

>>18819906
>hqdefault_(19).jpg
>black bars baked into image
>sub-bargain basement shit quality 11KB "meme"

we don't like your kind around these parts. don't come around here no more boy... specially after sundown. the bakkerboys 'round here might not take kindly to the likes of you.

>>18819908
>1 The Stormlight Archive
>3 Mistborn
>9 The Kingkiller Chronicle
>10 Gentleman Bastard

>>18819908
>sandershit ranked over tolkien
>tolkien's oeuvre referred to as "middle-earth universe" as if it was some capeshit franchise
stopped reading right there

what the fuck is happening to this general?
/gfg/ can't come soon enough

>>18819908
>The Stormlight Archive
kek
>Middle-Earth Universe
KEK
> Mistborn
What...
>The Wheel of Time
they have to be trolling that is the only explanation.

Bumps ate akin to reddit up votes

Do you guys read fantasy in other languages?

>>18819908
I hate it

>>18820081
literature is best read in the original language, you lose more than the original structure in translations, you lose the intrinsic historical conation with certain words and their meaning, you lose the feel and the soul of an work. It's fine for trite like light novels because there is nothing too deep about them, but if you read Cervantes in English you are getting a very downgraded reading experience, for example.
So unless you know other languages reading foreign fiction is just not that good of an idea, and people who barely have time to read don1't have time to learn 9+ other languages.

>>18819908
>I seriously can't tell anything from this list
They obviously don't read much if at all, that's a list of books you give to people who haven't read any fantasy in decades.

>>18820081
Modern fantasy is Anglo by default.

>>18820108
I realized that none of this shit matters because I don't care about it even when I read a work in my native language (English). Translations are fine.

>>18819580
Can I get a QRD? Recently picked up Bakker and enjoying it so far. I was meming on Bakker for all the boy rape in the other thread but am overall enjoying it, still only 1/4th through Darkness That Comes Before.

>>18819908
"Stormlight Archive" is legitimately unreadable, between the writing style and character jumping I found it confusing and I genuinely can't wrap my head around how anyone can enjoy it. Wheel of Time, and to a lesser extent ASOIF, have issues with pacing/filler but both still have great first books even if they can be something of a poison pill.

>>18820146
i think all the posts have been deleted by now but it was basically feminists being triggered that bad things happened to women in his books and that two of the main female characters are a dumb slut and a whore. They were too low iq to realise his point about how much it would suck for women to live in an old testament style biblical world

>>18820124
Anything newer in French or Russian? I'm sick of hearing about Russian classics.

>>18820237
You'll have to be fluent in French or Russian first. Anglos don't translate unless it's public domain.

>>18820199
To be honest female characters of TSA are indeed not that smart and spend most of story getting taken advantage or. Even half Dunyain one goes full retard
>This fucker still absolutely adores us even after we killed his father, took his city and I made special effort to piss him off? Could it be that there's some seriously weird shit going on? Nope he's probably just like that nothing suspicious haha.

>>18818837
why are you guys so obsessed with rape
not even that many books have rape in it

>>18819908
>the keklight archive number one

This is why fantasy is dying

>Fuck you sandersoy

>>18820348
I like Sanderson and you will never win the fight against the fat man with a parrot.

>>18820348
sandeson is just too good not to be number one

>>18820142
>t.brainlet

>>18820272
Which character are you talking about?

>>18820360
Being a good business man doesn’t make him a good writer. He’s the McDonnalds of fantasy.

>>18820378
Sounds like somebody is jelly

>>18820378
he is just good

>For me? It's R Scott Bakker. Intelligent, Nihilistic and with a Wicked Sense of Humor.

>>18820378
yes and quality never meant less than it does not, not just literature but in everything. Marketing is all that matters.

>>18820142
>none of this shit matters because I don't care about it
>my native language (English).

Like pottery

>Sanderson
>Rothfuss
>Bakker
>Martin
>Abercrombie
>Tolkien

>>18820407
not gonna lie he looks badass in some of these.

>>18820378
Kek

>>18820378
Sandersoys BTFO!

>Jack Vance
>Gene Wolf

>>18819908

>Robert E Howard
>Hp Lovecraft
>Clark Ashton Smith
>Fritz Leiber

>>18820360
Explain why he is better than tolkien

>>18820442

>>18820450
both good, simple as

>Poul Anderson

>>18820495
My only experience with this guy is Tau Zero and it's shattered any belief I might have that he could be a good writer

>>18818837
Any sci-fi books like Cruelty Squad the writing is impeccable and one of the ending rightly ends in a bataille quote. It's a grotesque outlook on the future where cybernetic prosthetics disfigure you in different types of ways, such as a double jump implant will fix holes in your feet to shoot shit out that propels you, from the pov of a automated hitman. If you guys arent familiar I can post the writing that appears in one of the endings.

>>18820495
>the story where a literal jewish space merchant subverts the religion of a planet of lion-people just so he can a) leave and b) make money, with the text clearly spelling out that this one action will lead to thousands of years of division and war
I think he might genuinely have been based.

>>18820650
jesus was a jew

>>18820674
Ah shit I thought the image in >>18820495 had been shooped to be gigachad, I didn't know it was just christcuck shit.

>>18820681
yeah some churches have muscular Jesus, complete cope since he was a twink

Cugel the clever is really not that clever, just kind of a bastard.

>>18820806
I haven't seen anyone get filtered this hard in months.

Where is starship troopers... why does nobody talk about srarship troopers its my favorite book please someone

>>18820853
I'm not talking about the quality of the book, but ratter the character of said fictional character, Cugel.

>>18820868
I read it is it's good, the forever war is better however.
There done, there is little more to talk about. I tried reading other helenin books, and while some of them are good I got completely stuck in enough time for love and just decided to stop reading the author.

I never considered myself to be of poor imagination but it feels like I'm being filtered by this. Are his other works just as esoteric?

>>18820272
Again I'm only like 1/4 through the first book but both prominent females felt fleshed out and fairly intelligent. The prostitute (Esmenet or whatever) comes from a lower caste in an iron age type society, she ended up in one of the few jobs available and is trapped in it (branded with a tattoo) but is obviously smart enough to offer insight to the men regarding spying/motivations.

And the Emperor is shown to be a total buffoon, as a reader you're supposed to see the wisdom in his mother's words even if he doesn't. The only thing I heard going in from reviews by women was about muh weak women characters but so far they've been fairly portrayed.

if anyone read both, what did you like more, Stormlight Archive or Mistborn?

>>18820979
You should probably leave until you're through, there are way too many spoilers for it there on a daily basis.

>>18819908
>Middle-Earth Universe
Incredible

>>18819908
Well what is /sffg/'s top ten? Serious question

>>18821060
now you've done it. questions like that just result in trash answers and shitposting.

>>18821060
you can find some types of top 10s in the mega in the OP, like this one

>>18821060
Tolkien is one, then it would be a clusterfuck. I promise you Wolfe would be there and Bakkerchads would make sure he is represented as well.

>>18821092
>Bakkerchads

>>18820998
Neither. Unless you’re into YA shit.

>>18821086
Whoever did this one is retarded.

>>18821086
I like this one. Haven't read all of it but what I have I quite liked. Most that I haven't read are on my TBR.

>>18821169
not enough gay scat rape?

>>18821216
You clearly haven’t read most of those.

>>18821169
Explain

>>18821220
yeah I'm a bakkerchad, I only read gay scat of coarse

>>18821169
Abercrombie does not deserve to be in any top 10

>>18821060
Here's my personal list, mostly based on pure enjoyment and how long they stuck with me:

1- The Dark Forest/Death's End
2- Hyperion/FoH
3- ASOIAF
4- Dune or GEoD
5- LOTR
6- Childhood's End
7- I, Robot
8- Rendezvous With Rama
9- Foundation
10- Annihilation

Obviously I haven't read much fantasy compared to sci-fi, I'm working to remedy that. I still have a huge pile of "must-reads" that I may never be able to get to.

>>18821169
This.

Bakker is Queer Fantasy

Bakker is Based fantasy.

>>18821236
>false flagging
>rent free
>”yeah”
>”coarse”

You got to filtered, alright.

>>18818854
Yes. They are basically comic books, but I really like the universe and the lore, they can fit in all kinda of stories in the same setting, so it's fun.

>>18821236
Rent free

So help me out guys. I want a books more focused on the lore and the tech than the characters. Any ideas?

>>18821371
I bet you don't read the hidden Bakker gay scat trilogy

the true ending is a big rape orgy with poop all over the place

How does Bakker manage to live rent free in brainlet’s heads? Is it a Dunyain mind trick?

>>18821060
Most any group consensus will inevitably disappoint any given individual. Maybe I'll update this sometime since there are so many more members now, though I doubt that I ever will. The top 10 would be something like this, the order of which would depend on how they are weighted by numbers of ratings, distribution of weightings, and so on.

The Way of Kings (The Stormlight Archive #1)
Hyperion (Hyperion Cantos #1)
The Fellowship of the Ring (The Lord of the Rings #1)
The Hobbit, or There and Back Again
Dune (Dune #1)
Ender's Game (Ender's Saga #1)
1984
The Shadow of the Torturer (The Book of the New Sun #1)
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy #1)

Yes, The Way of Kings easily has the top spot in terms of popularity and ratings. That's just how it is. Is it the most read sff book by /sffg/? No, but it is one of the most read. Of the 86 or so in the group that have rated it, only have 4 rated it less than 4 stars and one person marked it as "did not finish". As always, there's no information about those who tried to read it and didn't like it enough to finish and didn't provide any indication of this.

>>18821236
Living rent free in ESL subhumans’ brains since thread #1

>>18821457
Unironically Reddit.

>>18821457
(Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy #1)
great book

>>18818989
>>18819414
>>18819421
>>18819906
>>18821112
>>18821216
>>18821236
>>18821318
>>18821434
One or two buttrekt samefags who literally do nothing with their lives but shit up /sffg/ with their “greivances.” I can’t believe anyone with enough brains to solve the captch could be this retarded, but here we are.

Bakker has a luxury 5br loft with skyline views in your squalid, shrunken heads. Rent free for life, of course.

>>18821457
*distributions of ratings

Oops, that's only 9. A 10th was difficult to pick so it seems I didn't come back to doing so. That would entirely depend on how it's rated, so choices for a 10th would be from: The Black Company (The Chronicles of the Black Company #1), Ubik, Roadside Picnic, or Cat's Cradle. Something like that anyway,

>>18821503
*how it's weighted
Oh typing.

>>18821499
>Bakker has a luxury 5br loft with skyline views in your squalid
Damn writing Gay Porn pays well

>>18821521
Flow, ye tears of the filtered…

>>18821541
Kek

>>18821457
By comparison, The Darkness That Comes Before (The Prince of Nothing #1) currently has 27 ratings. I don't know where that would place it now. When I did this last year, it only had 8 ratings, though the group have more than doubled in size since then and the Bakkerposting has been very consistently occurring. It's unclear how much of an effect that has had on the those in thread reading it. It certainly has had an effect on having it marked as "to-read" though.

>>18821575
Bakker literally owes us money for memeing his revival.

>>18821541
Rape, ye cocks of the gay

Fuck E William Brown
Fuck Delays
Fuck Lies
Fuck Excuses
Fuck Incommunicado
Fuck Pay Pigs
Fuck Pay Walls
Fuck Enablers
Fuck No Releases
Fuck YOU

>>18821670
yeah I ONLY pay for gay scat in onlyfans

>this post is off topic
>trolling outside of /b/
do the needful anons, there is an obvious dedicated troll in here attempting to shit up this illustrious general. let's help him reflect on his life choices, eh?

>>18821718
We've already tried to report the bakkerfags and nothing ever happened.

>>18821718
just make a Gay Rape General, call /grg/

>>18821726
>imagine being this ass blasted
Kek

>>18821413
Pretty much anything written in the past two decades

>>18821726
U mad?

>>18821726
This is not your general, sweetie (:

Bakker is still on topic, whether you like it or not. You can either cope or fuck off.

>>18821789
gay rape is Bakker and Bakker is on topic

Alright you fags, here's a challenge for you:
Name a single book written within the past twenty years that features a female protagonist and is actually good

>>18821799
>>18821726

So, i just finished this. It was really great, i would rank it: The Green Pearl > Princess Madouc > Suldrun's Garden, but they are all really fun.

This was my first Jack Vance. I really liked the dialogue and the fairy tale feel of the story, what shoul i read from him next?

>>18821817
liveship traders

>>18821413
Alastair Reynolds, cardboard characters only

>>18821900
Nice pic.

>>18821413
you just described every single hard sci-fi book. every single one, this isn't an exaggeration, i literally mean every single one with no exceptions. think i'm wrong? post an exception.

>>18822300
Blindsight.

>>18822300
the guy asked for a recommendation bakkerfag

>>18822311
ah yes, who could forget uhhhhh the guy whose mother is stuck in a simulation or something. and the quirky girl that had that unique skillset
>>18822313
the forge of god

>>18821413
The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress

>>18821413
Sandershit?

>>18822348
>ah yes, who could forget uhhhhh the guy whose mother is stuck in a simulation or something. and the quirky girl that had that unique skillset
yeah we hate quirky girls, we only want gay scat

>>18822453
can you stop forcing this meme? i hate opening this thread and seeing you constantly spamming this creepy shit.
btw i haven't read bakker, because i don't like getting into unfinished series. furthermore, i like blindsight but certainly not because of the characters lol

>>18822483
>this creepy shit.
get filtered by Bakker

>>18822536
>>18822453
You need to be 18 to post here.

>>18822483
scatfag is one schizo autist spammer. he's posted like 1/3 of the total posts ITT. something is deeply fucked up in his head
report him for the love of god, give him the forced vacation he needs

>>18820674
nope

>>18822576
>>18821726

Cringe

>>18822576
>something is deeply fucked up in his head
reading Bakker really fucks a nigga up

>>18822608
That’s what getting filtered feels like.

>>18821834
obvs dying earth

>>18822623
yeah bro real niggas LOVE gay scat

>>18821834
You should read Dying Earth next. Even if you can't quite get into volume 1 stick with it.

>>18822696
You seem obsessed with it.

Bakker is based.

>>18823126
Based.

>>18821726
>We
It’s just you and the voices, anon.

>>18818854
The HH series gets very spotty after the first ten or so books, almost all of which are good. Basically after you get past act 1 of the Heresy, things go way off rails, half the books are absolutely unreadable, and a good chunk of the "necessary" story arcs are partially or entirely within short stories and novellas.

That said, there are definitely some fun books in there, just don't expect anything better than "workmanlike" prose.

>>18823138
Nah, he’s right. Fuck off for shitting up the General.

>>18819225
cope

what is the best Bakker moment? for me its BLACK SEED

>>18823213
Just hide his posts and stop giving hom
(you)’s. Simple as

Unfortunately the anonymous format of this site does lend itself to schizo turds like him, but non-engagement is always the best policy. Ignore his ritualposting and eventual he will get bored and leave.

>goodreads sends mail with recommendations
>check it
>EVERY SINGLE featured book is about black people or women
Wish I was exaggerating

>>18823297
damn this is how Inchoroi look like?

>>18823382
Write them a letter

>>18823382
request them to feature real literature, something that includes rape and philosophy.

>>18823424
And scat gay porn.

>>18821276
ASOIAF above LOTR?

>>18823475
We never did figure out Aragorn's tax policy.

>>18823475
t has scat, that gives it at least 1.5 more points on a scale of 1-10

Official /Bakker-gen/ song:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pVHKp6ffURY

>>18823475
I said it's ranked based on enjoyment, not literary value. Thanks to Martin's procrastination, we get year after year of progressively crazier an fun Winds of Winter theories. I don't even care how many of them are true. I enjoy reading them way too much

>>18823668
>Winds of Winter theories
Which one is your favorite? I like the Stannis using the frozen lakes to win.

>>18823683
There's a lot that I like. I guess the one I'm most looking forward to is whatever Euron's got going on, some giant blood rite. There was one I read recently about Sam being the guy to kill Euron, with a luckily placed arrow. There was a surprising amount of evidence to support it.

Also, this is worth a watch if you haven't already: https://youtu.be/JM5zDjMnMKk

>rereading the Greatcoats series from the beginning because a follow up is out and I forgot where I stopped
>remember it being a fun musketeers inspired romp
>protagonists wife gets raped to death in chapter 4
must have forgotten that lol

>>18823837
I mean it is a fun musketeers inspired romp

>>18823580
lmao, thread soundtrack in the bakker general

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADvxFXWvwE&ab_channel=GrantMacDonald-Topic

>>18823783
>There was one I read recently about Sam being the guy to kill Euron, with a luckily placed arrow. There was a surprising amount of evidence to support it.
Ah shit, I thought I was the only one who read it.

Hot, hard, buff Inchoroi, their cocks throbbing hard!
18 more wild Inchoroi out in the yard!
Big, bulging cocks ever so hard!
Orgy in the showers at Earwa Ranch!
Big, hard, throbbing cocks ramming Bakkerfag butt!
Like a breed of ram wanting to rut!

>>18823975

>>18823996
Gay scat in the showers at Earwa Ranch!
Big, hard, throbbing cocks RAPING poopy butt!

>>18824012
Like a breed of Inchoroi wanting to NUT!

Fuck you all, I haven't found any series fantasy I want to read since I dropped the wheel of time because it went to shit. I will bite the bullet and start a song of ice and fire despite the fact i hated the show.

>>18823975
>18 more wild Inchoroi out in the yard!
But there were only two alive by the time of the books.

>>18824022
>>18824012
Meds. Now.

>>18824022
>>18824012
You have 5 minutes.
Flee.

>>18824090
>not reading Bakker
NGMI

>>18824095
its from the up coming Bakker novels, he saw that his fans like hard Inchoroi cocks so he wrote more.

>>18824173
he is going to make it, song of ice and fire also has scat

>>18820373
serwa

>>18823783
I like the Roose theory.

>>18824090
finish the WoT u pussy, it ends well.

Why is there so much Medieval inspired fantasy but very little Antiquity inspired fantasy?

>>18824395
because it sells more books

>>18824395
They're called Sword and Sandals

>>18824395
Medieval inspired fantasy is generic and cliché therefore more safe. Antiquity inspired fantasy is more harder to write and not a lot of market for it.

>>18824325
explain

>>18824530
You know, the Bolt-on theory, where Roose Bolton is an immortal being, possibly an Other, that steals and wears other people's skin.

>>18824535
Ah shit, that one also has some evidence.

>>18824535
Hmm. Don't know if I buy that one.

>>18824395
Bakker.

>>18824624
There's lot's of circumstantial evidence that supports it.

>>18824624
Why not?

>fully fleshed out account of the discovery of a material afterlife using 19th century physics

>The British colonize it

>Soviets build a god with the souls of the worker-dead using Lenin's consciousness as the kernel

>industrial revolution progresses with eschatological tech

>Ruins of abandoned chthonic civilizations millennia old litter the afterlife with no explanation

>also introduced me to the fact that an IRL club of elite Victorian scientist-spiritualists (including the literal Prime Minister) successfully conspired with the spirits of their dead colleagues, who claimed via medium to have innovated a science of soul-eugenics, to ritually bring into being a messianic spirit child

it's like a 6/10 desu the core spy elements are never suspenseful but the worldbuilding is great

>>18824803
Is it worth buying and supporting the author?

>>18824810
yeah Hannu is neat and the kind of author SF should encourage, but I don't even think writing is his main gig so ymmv

>>18824835
Might check him out, is his other works worth it?

>>18824857
Yeah Quantum Thief rules, very strong post-singularity scifi

>>18819402
>especially when I sincerely believe that the next book is already written.

Doubtful. From what I hear from the faggs on (((Reddit))) since he was a teenager he’s had the ending of TUC mapped out, meaning he’s pretty much in uncharted territory now, meaning he’s writing starting from scratch for all intensive purposes. But that’s just what I’ve heard. But unless he’s some kind of freak of industry speed writing wise like King or Sanderson, but with the same caliber of his former shit, I doubt he’d be done even mapping his Magnum opus in just 3 years. He’s still young tho. Kinda. Coronas (or the vaxx) taken out younger talents (miura, trevor)

>>18824885
lmao, should have focused on defending his PHD instead.

Finished this today. 10/10 it's okay. Wish it had cut down on some of the longer internal monologues and focused more towards ramping up tension for the ending

>>18824869
Will do, thanks again for the recommendation.

>>18824896
Eh, I have mixed views on it. I liked the idea behind this, and I even liked the way Silverberg set up the four characters, stereotypes that over the course of the novel are pried open and exposed for the often hypocritical things they are. The writing, too, is pretty good, lyrical and intense. The psychological building up and tearing down of the characters works really well, and it's not easy to predict who will commit the murder, who will be the sacrifice, etc. The only real problem for me was that I kept having to check the chapter headings to see who exactly was talking: despite the four very different character backgrounds, they didn't sound different at all.

>>18824888
kek

>>18824896
jew....................

I'm in a wizard mood. Good stories with wizards? I mean the moody kind with cool wizard bases. Already read Dying Earth, Circe and Clark Ashton Smith.

>>18824944
Thanks, Nicky

>>18825023
No problem.

>>18824885
He still got a journal article published, that's something. But yeah I'm sure he feels real bad about that dissertation.

>>18824885
That's why the end of TUC feels so definitive. Anything that comes after is like you say, uncharted territory. He's basically got to reinvent the entire series and create it anew in order to move forward. Fan theories like
>Reign in Kell
>Neon Genesis Xiuhanni
etc. are just pure speculation. If Bakker is going to write sequels, they need to add something deeply significant to what comes before.

Right now the end of TUC is basically his equivalent of his PhD thesis. It's the summation of his vision, his magnum opus as you say. Where does one go from there? ... Instead of just continuing the plot for crude entertainment purposes like a webnovel, he wants to write something that will stand the test of time. Even GRRM isn't under that kind of self-imposed pressure. But GRRM is a storyteller, whereas Bakker is an artist, and artists can be very sensitive. I can see why he's gone into Akka/Ted style isolation from the world.

All I hope is that he and his family are healthy and at peace.

>>18823783

Which are your favorite CONFIRMED TRUE and CANON theories from pic related?

Mine are
>Jojen-Paste
>Hollow Earth Westeros
>Ned is a pigeon
>Tyrion is a Time-travelling Fetus [CONFIRMED]

BTW the chart is bad, a lot of the theories are either too low or too high on the iceberg scale

>>18825011
Forgot to mention: already read black company also and it was peak wizard kino.

>>18825011
>Earthsea
For peaceful zen wizards on boats plus dragons
>The Second Apocalypse
For terrifying dangerous war wizards
>Lord of the Rings
The Istari are still my favorite depiction of wizards, basically angels embodied as old men.

>>18825066
>>Tyrion is a Time-travelling Fetus [CONFIRMED]
What?

>>18825102
Mirri Maz-Dur's curse on Dany caused her unborn son with Drogo to travel back in time into Joanna Lannister's womb, thus making Tyrion Azor Ahai, a Targaryen prince, and also half-Dothraki

100% confirmed ASOIAF canon obviously.

>>18825075
Glen Cook's Darkwar series is about a catgirl becoming a sorceress and then going to space, I thought it was pretty fun.

>>18825033
For all the uncharted territory it feels like he set up at least few things.
I'm almost certain that Mog will malfunction in some way because they put person with 2 souls in it.
There are so much weird shit with those ciphrang heads, I won't be surprise if kellhus manages to wiggle out of getting salty because they are some kind of contingency.

>>18819851
100% agree, fire upon the deep seemed like it was going to go one direction that i was really wanting it to go (super-powerful AI's, the zones, etc.) and instead we get stuck on a planet of networked dogs (which, awesome concept, decent execution, not at all appropriate to shove into a book like this!)

i don't understand the hate that house of suns gets around here. i picked it up on a whim about 10 years or so ago, couldn't put it down. i really enjoyed it

>>18825123
My thinking is that he left a lot of threads open purposefully to allow the fans room to speculate, as we like to do. But the ultimate conclusion of TUC is, like I said, quite final in itself.
Kellhus fails. The Ordeal fails. Resumption begins. The world is fucked. That's the narrative he was building since he was a teen, the inversion of the Tolkien myth. Anything that happens after salt and butchery is up to the reader. And I prefer it that way.

That's why I'd much rather see Bakker put out a book of short stories set in Eärwa (I think he was working on this, it's called Atrocity Tales and there are four) instead of The No-God. Explore other parts of the rich and complex world and history.

whats the name of that jack vance dying earth story about a thief in a mossy graveyard place in the middle of a forest? idk many details since i read it years ago but it stuck with me

>>18821594

good luck collecting on that, the fucker is forced to teach at community college and can barely focus through his incoherent rage against trump (despite being a fucking leaf) and likely pain pill addiction brought on by "back problems"

>>18823480
SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FAT FUCKING SLOB, GO BACK TO YOUR GODDAMN 1981 WORDSTAR DOS PIECE OF SHIT AND FINISH THE FUCKING SERIES BEFORE YOU DIE FROM A QUADRUPLE CORONARY BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO FUCKING SELF-CONTROL AND CAN'T LOSE WEIGHT OR BE HEALTHY AND INSTEAD JUST BITCH ABOUT FAR BETTER AUTHORS AND THEIR WORKS INSTEAD OF FINISHING YOUR OWN

>>18821060
1. Soldier of the Mist
2. Soldier of Arette
3. Soldier of Sidon
4. The Wizard
5. The Knight
6. Peace
7. Sorcerer's House
8. The Land Across
9. There are Doors
10. The Devil in a Forest

>>18825179
Liane the Wayfarer? Is that the one where he tortures a wife and husband?

>>18825197
You know he's right.

So which of all the various fantasy/sf harem series have "step" sisters/moms in them?

>>18821060
The Hobbit
The Fellowship of the Ring
The Two Towers
The Return of the King
The Silmarillion
Children of Hurin
Shadow of the Torturer
Claw of the Conciliator
Sword of the Lictor
Citadel of the Autarch

>>18825241
>tolkien above Wolfe
>no Bakker

>>18821060
A Game of Thrones
A Clash of Kings
A Storm of Swords
A Feast for Crows
A Dance with Dragons
The Winds of Winter
A Dream of Spring
The Hedge Knight
The Sworn Sword
The Mystery Knight

>>18825250
That is correct

>>18821060
1. Nárn i Hîn Húrin
2. The Silmarillion
3. The Return of the King
4. The Fellowship of the Ring
5. The Fall of Gondolin
6. Morgoth's Ring
7. The Hobbit
8. The Book of Lost Tales
9. The Lays of Beleriand
10. Farmer Giles of Ham
And honorable mention:
11. Leaf by Niggle

>>18825011
Mask of the Sorcerer

’Tis said and ’tis sung:
>Gondobar am I called and Gondothlimbar, City of Stone and City of the Dwellers in Stone;
>Gondolin the Stone of Song and Gwarestrin am I named, the Tower of the Guard,
>Gar Thurion or the Secret Place, for I am hidden from the eyes of Melko;
>but they who love me most greatly call me Loth, for like a flower am I,
>even Lothengriol the flower that blooms on the plain.

>>18825315
This is one of the WORST fantasy books I've ever read. The protagonist wound his way through a world and never did a single thing. He just stood there and watched everything happen around him. Sometimes it seemed like he might have done something, until you realized he'd been possessed by the spirit of a dead sorcerer, and in fact, had still done nothing. Hated it.

>>18825148
>i don't understand the hate that house of suns gets around here. i picked it up on a whim about 10 years or so ago, couldn't put it down. i really enjoyed it
Reynolds is most interested in exploring things related to space travel and related stuff, he is actual astronomer himself, characterization is a second thought to him. You would like him if you want space, however you certainly won't if you want interesting characters.

>>18825157
It bothers me the people think that the world would not be fucked if the ending was in anyway different.
SPIDERS, boys. Spiders.

>>18825220
Why not full-blooded?

>>18825220
Try literotica.

is the math/sciences in this book realistically depicted or is it made up?

>>18825577
Is it written by an astronomer/mathematician?

>>18825593
Honestly this should easily tell you if it’s hard science.

>>18825577
One of the most challenging books I've read, and one that I got a lot of satisfaction out finishing. Stephenson's got a wildly inventive mind and reading him is like jumping onto a high speed bullet train at full speed.

It took about 70 pages to get used to the new 'language' that he invented for this story, and I had to refer to the glossary repeatedly, but suddenly it just clicked, and I was completly caught up in the world Stephenson created.

Not for casual reading, but fans of sci fi, physics or alternate world plots should give it a try

>>18825639
Do people still invent new languages for novels? I though readers found them cringe if you weren’t Tolkien.

>>18825691
Pretty sure I remember the writer of Eragon making one, though I also remember him fucking it up at some point.

>>18825697
How do you fuck up a language you invent? How is that remotely possible.

>>18825220
>"step" sisters/moms in them?
Why settle on step?

>>18825577
Anon, it’s called speculative fiction for a reason.

>>18825115
I thought Tyrion was the bastard son of the Mad King? Lots of hints pointed towards it.

>>18825691
Tolkien's conlangs work so well because he was a distinguished scholar of linguistics. Other authors attempt it, and they usually just fail miserably. Bakker's names are cool because they intentionally ugly/strange and based in ancient Mediterranean and Near Eastern dialects. Wolfe just goes with WH40K style canis lantinicus. LeGuin makes up bizarre autistic words like Iffish and Gont. Martin just uses pseudo-medieval British English via the New Jersey Renaissance Fair. It's all gucci.

Robert Jordan's attempts at conlangs are the worst I think. There are some other really bad ones too in the paperback fantasy world. It's funny how poorly constructed languages/names "age" their work, whereas well-made fantasy language constructions grant a sheen of classicism and stand the test of time.

>>18825752
>Bakker's names are cool because they intentionally ugly/strange and based in ancient Mediterranean and Near Eastern dialects.
No.

>>18825752
>Bakker's names are cool
Do you guys really believe half the shit you say?

>>18825782
At this point, I just chalk it up to shitpost. Which to be honest, was from the start.

>>18825797
Shame they kill all other discussion.

>>18825802
Pretty sure that's what they want to do in the first place.

>>18818963
>>18818988
Why are you guys coming here to advice?

>>18820806
Cugel the Clever is how Cugel the Dumbass sees himself. He is consistently outwitted by everyone he meets.

>>18825828
How so?

>>18825756
Yes.

>>18825838
no

>>18825840
Yes

>>18825845
No he isn’t and stop fucking shilling him.

>>18819908
Sounds about right.

>>18819908
Nothing wrong with the list.

Fantasy books with a lot of travel and great characters? NO WHEEL OF TIME

>>18825898
Tigana

>>18825898
Wheel of time.

>>18825898
Sabriel

>>18825908
That was is good. Never thought I’ll hear that author here.

>>18821670
Why did this start again?

>>18825973
Some dumb anon paid for early chapters.

>>18825982
That’s why it started? That’s dumb as fuck.

>>18820237
The only good Russian fantasy author is this Communist chick

>>18826014
No, I prefer the russian isekai.

>>18826023
I wish we have that here in the states. They sound like run to read just for the absurdity

>>18825202
Fantastic list

>>18826051
eh, we got web novels.

>>18826052
Is Wolfe really that good.

>>18826071
Give him a try, he's good as hell. You might need to reread his stories to get them.

>>18826075
I just think people suck hisbdick way too much.

>>18826083
Well, for Wolfe, it's deserved.

>>18826089
I’ll check him out.

>>18826094
I recommend Soldier of the Mist

>>18826102
Alright, I better not be falling for some shit tier book.

>>18826014
Who’s this?

New thread
>>18826123