/lit/ - Literature

>reading modern literature

>>18820229
Which modern New York writers are even worth reading?

After the First World War, Paris was merely a city where wealthy lost generation dilettantes from Britain, America, and Canada could hang out and bask in European “art” while enjoying the (extremely) favorable exchange rate. It was a place still in the core of Western culture that people could live in relative luxury while being technically starving artists, epitomized by Harry Crosby probably most of all. That’s all it was, a cheap Western city. New York today is by no means cheap. It’s certainly not a place where rich people go to cosplay as starving artists. It’s a place starving artists go to cosplay as rich and the rich are just rich. There’s nothing /lit/ about NYC and it’s certainly not the manic pixie dream girl muse of a city that Paris was in the 20s. Nowhere is.

>>18820265
I was about to remark on the exorbitant cost of living myself. Didn't know that about Paris.

>>18820229
can confirm Breadface lives there

>>18820229
The skyline looks empty without the Twin Towers.

>>18820265
>he doesn’t know about Bangkok, the Paris of the East

>>18820286
Yeah, you had all these lost generation poets and world war veterans who decided they wanted to dedicate themselves to art and hedonism. Paris was receptive to all Europeans, but New Worlders especially coming back from the front and they were into stuff like Jazz a lot more than other Europeans. So because of the exchange rate, Americans and Canadians that had some money could live like European aristocrats in Paris. So they went there and hung out with each other and the guys that had money funded the guys that didn’t. So all these wannabe writers ended up there precisely because it was an old European capital where they could live in a decadent mansion while funding their buddy’s poetry anthology and having open relationships on the cheap. And that’s exactly what they did.

Paris is too expensive. NYC has never been literate. Berlin is where it’s at. It’s a large city and capital yet relatively cheaper than any other German city of a similar size, and significantly cheaper than Paris, New York, London etc.

>inb4 southern europe and eastern europe
No. Stop shilling.

>>18820367
Relatively cheaper means very little unless it’s enough to really change someone’s standard of living, ie poverty to middle class, middle class to upper class, etc. Madrid is even cheaper then Berlin, so why not Madrid? Objectively, there is almost no real city in the Western world which can be said to be “cheap” and conducive to art, these enormous capitals, which are much larger and more populous than they were in the 20s, least of all.

come to Moscow niggas, I live in a great apartment for $400/month. The Russian publishers will print anything in English too, pretty based

>>18820365
Sounds like a good time other than the hedonistic aspect of it.

>>18820398
This brings up another point. It’s hard to move anywhere these days unless you work in a highly skilled job like software.

>>18820404
There's a few ways to do this. The first is to get rid of 90% of your possessions, which vastly reduces moving costs and the amount of space you'll need. Another is to save up at least a year's worth of expenses in advance of relocating. Or you could work for a company with offices in different cities and attempt to be transferred

>>18820404
just teach English and marry a russian qt, that's what i did

>>18820429
I have no fixed living expenses and $10k cash that I’m willing to just throw away to travel or live somewhere for a year or so. It’s still not easy to get a visa. You need some sort of sponsorship and you only get it if you’re a software developer.

>>18820432
Did you need a TEFL to get hired?

>>18820288
It’s been 20 years, get used to it.

>>18820437
Oh you're trying to move from a shithole to a gated country. I thought you meant moving in general

>>18820448
You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. Why bother if that’s the case? You waste people’s’ time.

>>18820404
This.
Means not this >>18820398 and >>18820394.
You need an artists community foremost to produce art, if you’re not the lone writer type, which few can be and even fewer actually were. You need people around so you don’t kill yourself. /lit/ understands this least of all, even though this place by its nature necessarily served as such, which people here try to suppress with all their contrarian might, and is dissuaded by the systems here in place and the people.
You can just as well get a 400-500€ apartment in Berlin and easily earn rent by working 4-5 days in a bar, then earn the remaining 300-400 doing either more work there, being a student, getting money from home.
Moscow is a Russian city and Madrid a Spanish city, Milan a Italian city. Berlin is European and even international city, fundamentally; the same way New York is and has been an international city. The difference being that an apartment or room in New York costs almost double and at least one and a half times as much as the same place in Berlin.

>>18820445
Most places yeah, but honestly its so fucking easy

>>18820456
I have been to Berlin, there is literally nothing special about it. It's one of the most soulless """""great""""" cities in Europe

>>18820229
I thought Waldun and his friends lived in Melbourne?

>>18820465
Got the intuitive feeling that it was another has-been city... but that could've just been the circumstances under which it was visited.

>>18820447
Go fuck yourself with your shitty imagemacro, you know i'm right.

>>18820453
You don't have to be a software developer to move. That's the biggest cope I've heard all day.

I live here, dont feel it. Maybe im not in the "right circles" though

>>18820473
nobody gives a shit about 9/11 anymore fucking boomer

>>18820477
You need a visa genius. They don’t just give out visas to anyone who wants one.

>>18820458
I would just like to avoid the time and money. Asian countries don’t even ask for one.

>>18820539
Have fun in Asia then m8

>>18820290
>Being a pedo

>>18820288
It's not like they were a great loss to humanity given that they were ugly just like any skyscraper.

>>18820711
seethe more, all the greats were pedos

>>18820768
They seemed ugly to you, but not for me.
There was something intangible with these towers, especially during sunsets.
Like the spiritual ways of the Egyptian pyramids.

>>18820229
And what’s its output? What has it produced?
Just NYT best-seller crap targeted towards liberal coastal elites, literally nothing worth reading.

>>18820795
Rabelais - God fearing christian. Definitely not a pedo
Cervantes - God fearing christian. Definitely not a pedo
Sterne - God fearing christian. Definitely not a pedo

>>18820837
>famous non-pedo religion christianity

>>18820768
They were the peak of modernity, until the supertall residental luxury stick towers started getting built around Central Park, but in a way those are almost more medieval italian aristocrat in spirit than they are modern capital housing a siloed corportate workforce into a vertical information factory.

>>18820229
>I will never be a young parisian in 19th century Paris visiting brothels to engage in carnal acts while bouncing ideas around with high-class prostitutes.
I hate you OP for bringing this up.

>>18821124
Not a problem mate, all you've got to do is be there in spirit.

>>18820481
This. You'd think going to college in the current "/lit/ city of the world" would reveal this awesome literary underground the city apparently has, but I guess not. Maybe I need to get a job at the Strand or something.

>>18820472
Anon is just coping. Cities are just cities when it comes to it. It’s about the people and institutions there, and for Berlin these are manifold and exciting. /Having been/ to Berlin and not liking it is like spending a week in New York and thinking: oh well this place sure is dirty and expensive. It’s disingenuous and a huge cope. Anon is a faggot and probably either no european, a cucked german, or from a faggy country like spain.

>>18821195
Imagine being this mad because someone doesn't like your gay little city. The only "cultrure" coming from Berlin is shitty music

>>18821195
>It's all cope
Keep telling yourself that mate, I'm just your mirror.

>>18821195
Oh you mean the anon I was responding to. It wasn't a bad place to be, for certain. It was just the last stop on a long line of Euro cities and I was getting tired of sleeping in hostels.

>>18820403
idioso

>>18820229
NYC is a mullato incubation chamber

Have any of you even read Ulysses? Joyce lived in Zurich, Trieste and Paris but found more beauty in the lives of common folk in what was the capital of a shitty 3rd world country at that point. As a result a single chapter of this book is worth the entire of ovouir of Miller, Fitzgerald and Hemmingway put together.

>>18821195
>/Having been/ to Berlin and not liking it is like spending a week in New York and thinking: oh well this place sure is dirty and expensive. It’s disingenuous and a huge cope
But it's true. New York is dirty and expensive. I was shocked when I first went there.

>>18821268
Anything but, but hey. Hope you'll think of me next time you're in Vegas.

>>18821344
Having visited both, I would choose Berlin in a heartbeat. Got more of a youthful, historical, artistic vibe, rather than uppity and swanky. Though it could've just been that I was around Manhattan most of the time.

>>18821279
Ulysses was written prior to 1920 retard

>>18820367
>NYC
>capital
>not /lit/
Anon, I…

>>18821124
Be a 21st C bohemian writer livinh in NYC and bouncing ideas around with high class escortd (like myself)

>>18821161
>Maybe I need to get a job at the Strand or something.
lol good luck, they laid off tons of their people a few months ago and I hope their faggy Upper West Side location collapses. but yeah, going to a good college in NYC was probably the loneliest and most disappointing experience of my life. glad it's over and I can just live the normal loneliness and disappointment of NYC.

>>18820229
being the centre of literature in 2021 is like being the chairman of the 4th international

>>18821605
For crying out loud, Anon >>18820288 was right, the skyline really does look worse without the OG WTC.

>>18821627
That's the eastern midtown skyline dummy you wouldn't see them from that perspective even if they were still there. And WTC1 looks pretty sick honestly better than the original towers.

>>18821627
you wouldn't even see the OG towers from where that pic was taken, dumbass

>>18821690
>>18821696
>ey I'm walkin here
nobody cares city slickers

>>18821690
You think so?
I don't think it has the same "presence".

>>18821696
>>18821690
same in the OP as well. this is the financial district now

>>18821708
Lel.

>>18821708
Listen to me - LISTEN TO ME! We don't talk like that, we don't SAY things like that! You understand? DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

what east asian cities are lit?
also what do we think about boston

>>18821708
suck my dick yokel
>>18821711
Yeah it both resembles and evokes the towers and does a better job blending in to the present skyline.

>>18821735
Boston isn't a city

>goes to NYC for an ivy league woke education
>gets shanked to death by POC folk
ohnonononono

>>18821769
*POC 13-year-olds

>>18821605
Oh yeah, fuck that new location. Though I don't find college in the city to be too lonely, it certainly is different than I had been lead to believe. Fucking NOBODY reads. Maybe it's just my major, but I've had classmates openly mock their roommates for having books in their room. Not really sure where to find more interesting people, but I'll figure something out.

>>18821769
Culturally enriched

>>18821735
Boston is okay by American standards but that’s about as good as you can ask for by American standards.

>>18821279
Well Joyce is an overrated author and “normal folk” are nowhere to be found in the Western world.

>>18821748

>>18820265
This is why Buenos Aires is the new Paris. It even looks like a more colourful grungier suburb of Paris.

THE AVERAGE UNITEDSTATIAN IS AKIN TO A VILLAGER WHO IMAGINES THE ENTIRE WORLD AS A BIG VILLAGE, BELIEVING THAT HIS OWN VILLAGE IS BETTER THAN «THE BIG VILLAGE OUT THERE».

>>18821976
another meaningless idiotic post from the pedo prince of retards

>>18821769

>>18821950
It doesn’t work that way. It has to be a European city.

>>18821950
>... the new Paris.


ASÍ QUE UNA CLOACA? QUÍTATE LA FRANCOFILIA, CHE.

>>18822031
It is. Whiter than Paris too.

>>18821735
tokyo

>>18820229
Anybody I know who lived/lives in NY hates it.

LMAO

NYC is headed towards complete collapse.

>>18821769
Imagine being killed by someone 5 years younger than you KEK. Women be strong tho.

>>18822834
I like Tokyo but it’s not remotely a literature or arts culture city.

>>18822862
That's what makes it /lit/

Is Brooklyn still pseud central or is there actually a decent scene?

>>18822862
Thats what theyve said every other decade

>>18820229
God, New York is so ugly. Why would anyone want to live there?

>>18822927
Ugly in what way? How can anyone not feel awestruck looking at endless waves of buildings. I understand how its not for everyone

>>18822958
Ugly in the sense that I can't afford to live there and I dislike what I can't have.

London mogs the other cities itt. Better arts, better fashion, better food, better literary scene.
Berlin is a meme for poorfags, NYC has sucked since Rudi.

>>18822996
Artists are too poor to afford London. It's all careerist plebs.

>>18823004
>Artists are too poor to afford London
Bad artists are. It weeds out the shitters

>>18823006
Good taste is rare. What makes you think commercially successful artists aren't shitters?

>>18823020
Not all successful artists are good, but all unsuccessful artists are shitters. It's not like the government gibs are hard to get. You have to be proper shit to get refused

>>18820837
nowhere in the bible does it mention the idea of pedophilia being a sin

>>18820229
>of the world today
not saying much

>nyc
there may have been a time when it was /lit/. it's pseud central today.

>>18823069
This. Every white person in new York is fucking retard

Since we're on the subject, are there any relatively /lit/-tier cities or provinces in the Netherlands to keep an eye on?

>>18823069
I live in NYC and avoid people like this like the plague. I know they exist, but I have zero interactions with anyone fitting this description.

I'm a mix of very highbrow and very lowbrow and so are my friends. It's comfy in our small circle desu.

>>18823145
Ah a fellow Dirtbag leftist

>>18823177
>Dirtbag
Yes
>leftist
Nope

>>18823145
>I'm a mix of very highbrow

>>18823145
>t. nick mullen

Doesn't matter where you live if you dont have a life

>>18823210
Yes it does. The idea is to move from a place where having a life isn't an option to a place where there are opportunities to create a life.

>>18820271
>dude I JUST LOVE the idea of living in the middle of nowhere and larping as a redneck

>>18821976

>>18822958
they fucked up the skyline, from a distance it looks fine but half of its tallest buildings were built in the last five years and are just tall, skinny residential skyscrapers that are only notable because of their height. 432 park avenue is a dull stack of windowed boxes. 115 west 57th street and central park tower are no better. the original world trade center buildings were dull but they still fit into the skyline with the other wide, traditional buildings. look at the 10 tallest skyscrapers and every single one is modernist crap outside of the empire state building and one world trade center:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_New_York_City

then there's the fact they're mostly money laundering fronts and tax havens for chinese state oligarchs, saudi princelings, and the global financial ultra-rich. if you take out the empire state building and chrysler building chicago has the best skyline in the US hands down.

>>18822992
kek

>>18820367
>yet relatively cheaper than any other German city of a similar size
??? no

>>18821769
is this a common thing or is it the consequence of walking through a ghetto that hasn't been gentrified yet?

>>18823229
Seethe harder. Suburban/rural new england is based

>>18823234
It will probably be cooler once more go up and it doesn't stick out as much. Reminds me of those drawings of the medieval Italian towers

>>18823029
Matthew 18:6 But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

I put in ESV so your mouth breathing mind could comprehend it.

>>18820531
>you need a visa
no, you can just walk in

>>18820241
Do you mean ‘contemporary,’ you ignorant fuck?

>>18823249
I lived up in the Berkshires during covid. It’s comfy and beautiful but boring as FUCK unless you are
>a wealthy boomer
>have a wife, 2 kids, a golden retriever and a fishing boat
Winter up there was bleak man. So glad to be back in the city honestly.

>>18821950
this anon is on to something
i love buenos aires, people are based and actually kind of well read
argentinian women are fucking insufferable though

I live in St Louis

>center of the world
the absolute mentality of nyc fags

>>18823350
it is though

>though

>citylets seething

>>18823303
New England is at least beautiful to look at; most anti-city fags are from the fucking midwest which is a large shitty brown field full of chain garbage.

>>18820229
Eh not really. I did my undergrad at NYU before covid hit and most of my /lit/ friends were a bunch of LARPers who would chain smoke spilffs during the day and binge drink and sniff addy at night. I visited some who still live there in May and most 20 y/os and 30 y/os still live that lifestyle while playing the podcast/social media lottery instead of producing actual literary work. It's fine if you are young but not optimal if you wish to stay busy.

>>18823230
Coomgenius is Mexican though

new york became a plastic imitation of itself and museum for rich people. its unaffordable for artists as we know good artists are poorfags.

Commiefornia on the other hand has the opposite problem, they have homeless people pissing and shitting everywhere


The middleground has to be texas, texas is the next great creative center

>>18823355
Not really. Beijing is.

>>18823493
i’m an artist in nyc and completely dedicated to my practice. the gallery scenes here are good and inspiring (well some of them; certainly compared to anywhere else i’ve ever lived). it’s a brutal hustle here and i don’t have a trust fund so i support myself in this insanely overpriced city by moonlighting as a domme. i live in a tiny one bedroom and am constantly freaking out about money and shows and my work being overlooked in favor of shittier artists. still i can’t imagine living anywhere else. it’s amazing to be able to walk to some of the best galleries, libraries, bookstores, and museums in the world anytime i want. i’m always inspired living here. well more than i would be anywhere else.

i’m probably going to kill myself anyway in the next 3-10 years, depending what happens, so might as well make the most of my time left here rather than falling into some rote life of suburban mediocrity.

>>18823522
No offense but great artists are very sensitive creatures, far too sensitive to ever moonlight as a domme. If I were you I'd give up on the art and find something else to do, perhaps a craft.

>>18823303
>So glad to be back in the city
Which city? I grew up in Mass suburbs and have been back here for a year because of covid. Woods are comfy but yes I need a city again soon. Thinking abroad next but don't know where.

>>18823493
lolno

>>18821572
For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

>>18823493
I can tell you're not a native Texan. So shut the fuck up and stay in Austin or go back to the midwest.

>>18823594
look to the plank in thine own eye,
moralfag

>>18823522
Hey friend I hope you don't kill yourself. Please remember that creative arts are not sacred nor are they that important. Even your best painting, or sculpture, will one day rot and that's okay.

>>18823600
I apologize.

>>18823206
If I saw that midget irl I'd drag him through the streets with my truck

>>18823522

This is exactly what the Catholics refer to as a "life of dissipation". Taking the post at face value, it sounds like this person is living the life, participating in every earthly pleasure. Almost self-actualized. And, of course, this person is very hollow, and consumed by a deep sadness. In this case, we could legitimately attach the pretentious word "ennui", to describe the state. Somehow, it just isn't enough. "Is this all there is?"

It would be easy to excuse the threat of suicide as being due to further and current worldly, temporal factors (covid, global warming, the broad decline of the west). But we all know that those are very poor excuses for what is really an internal problem.

>>18823621
Lol...

>>18820229
Nouillorques, ville d'élite, dominatrice et sûre d'elle-même.

>>18821430
Manhattan is enormous anon, were you just dicking around by Bryant Park the entire time?

>>18823069
giga-cope. stay poor, i mean it

>>18823240
not common, Columbia is on the edge of somewhere you don't want to be

>>18820229
I live in NYC. It's an absolute shit hole. In so far as any intellectual scene exists, it is entirely formed around demented liberals.

>>18823866
What part?

>>18823870
I live in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn but commute to the city every day for work. I wouldn't wish it upon anyone. Everything about this place sucks.

>>18823882
Bensonhurst is obv bad

>>18823889
It's infinitely better than Manhattan. At least here it's mostly chinks and dumb Italians, disgusting as it is there's a small amount of sense observed. The costs aren't completely retarded either, and there's hardly any niggers and everything that goes along with it.

>>18823882
>Bensonhurst
so you choose to live in basicaly jersey among a bunch of retired jews and italians? no wonder you’re depressed

Wherever you live in in NYC you are just paying someone's taxes and trips to Florida who was lucky enough to buy proprerty thirty/forty years ago. If you had any sense you'd live in Jersey City for half the price and have a shorter commute and no city resident tax.

>moving to a place for the art scene well after the art scene has died
I can't wait to move to Cuba to be just like Hemingway!

>>18823903
It's mostly Chinese now. But yeah nothing says culture and excitement like filth, homeless people, and niggers everywhere. I commute every day into Manhattan, I hate it far worse, although both are shitholes in the end because NYC is abhorrent by design, the only way to settle in here is to lose that small part of your humanity associated with reason and order. When I think how my parents brought us here from Russia I want to throttle them.

>>18823988
Don't forget that you pay extra payroll tax to the city to keep things squalid and for the police to catch and release violent criminals in between their sensitivity training sessions.

So are there any places that are actually, genuinely, /lit/? I've heard good things about Portugal, but I don't know what cities. Buenas Aires was also posted earlier, I'm curious about that.

>>18823522
So you life a life of urban squalor because you fear suburban mediocrity. It’s funny and sad.

>>18823493
>as we know good artists are poorfags.
Holy cope.

>>18824027
also curious

>>18824011
It's my dearest wish to move away from here but I can't because of my faggot family who through timidity and indifference intend to die in this hell. I can honestly feel the putrid corruption of this city settling in to my skin, my mouth, my lungs, etc but not my brain, which is why I suffer. It's almost enough to make you believe in some socio-architectural conspiracy that intentionally renders NYC disgusting and hellish as a way of quashing resistance, that necessitates one lose themselves and internalize the mental illness that you might breathe it in as fish do water and so cohabitate without difficulty, smiling and nodding as you and the zoo around you become interchangeable.

>>18824064
damn bro why can't u just move from ur family, lol

>>18824076
My mother will likely kill herself if I do. I said they were crazy.

>>18824084
Have you considered a nice asylum for her?

>>18824084
well maybe she'll die soon so u can leave and not feel bad good luck i guess lool

>>18823838
Shit, I don't know. It was a long time ago and I wasn't exactly calling the shots.

>>18824064
>>18824084
(You) and your mom in Bensonhurst slowly going insane and waiting for death to release you from the prison of your own making.

>>18824056
I really want to learn Spanish or Portuguese and absorb the literature of both languages. Thinking of getting my TEFL, at this point it's just a decision between Braga and Buenos Aires, and I'd like to know more about their respective literary scenes.

>>18821769
>Barnard College
>Ivy league

>>18824027
Your local library

>>18820229
Look at those fucking glass monstrosities.

>>18824064
Try an air purifier. It's amazing how bad the air is and how one's olfactory fatigue covers it up.

>>18821769
Barnard isn’t an Ivy League lmao

>>18823621
Who cares what some retarded faggot catholics think lmao. Christ cucks are the antithesis of intelligence along with every other religious zealot in our times.

Queens>South Brooklyn>Bronx>Staten Island>Manhatten>the rest of Brooklyn

>>18824529
Yeah dude just moonlight as a gay dominatrix so you can go to museums and eat at trendy gastropubs!

In my opinion a 21st century city can only be /lit/ if you dont speak the language.

>>18823522
>i’m probably going to kill myself anyway in the next 3-10 years
Based, can you make sure to take out some extra nyc faggots along with you? Thanks.

>>18824557
>if you're not a retarded catholic you're gay
Stop parading your retardation

>>18820458
There was a woman on 90 Day Fiance who went to teach english in Russia. She didn't even know Russian and they ended up sending her to an industrial zone that looked like it just got bombed the day before. She got so depressed she banged the first guy who showed her any sort of kindness and got pregnant lol

>>18824557
Molesting little boys and ruining lives is cool tho, God said so.

>>18820271
Funny maymay is funny, but rednecks are faggots who only talk shit while staying far, far away from cities. They'd shit their pants if they had to make a living in a city.

>>18824653
>being this insecure

>>18823865
There is an ivy league right next to niggers?

>>18824653
Rednecks can easily make a living in a city. Construction, truck driving, security etc.
Although living in the city and working construction myself, its quite funny to see rural guys come in and have to ride the train to site everyday. Thats the only real adjustment that rednecks need to make. Not being able to drive anywhere and everywhere.

>>18823364
/qa/ has ruined me, i can't believe I laugh at the word though.

>>18823621
You really ruffed someone's feathers.
haven't seen this much seething in a while.
>>18823020
Some are. But almost all "struggling" "professional" artists are shit. Its a one in a million. And those people soon make it big.
>>18820229
I think New York has a good aesthetic. But to answer your question. The internet is the new Paris. Internet forms like this are the new pairs. Physical space is for posers are and fags. In anonymity there is freedom to create.

Imagine wanting to read anything written by anyone who moved to NYC to make it in the literary scene.

>>18824883
Most of the publishers are in NYC so you have to deal with it on some level, but in a day where everything is digital it's less of a necessity. Though I wanted be surprised if preference is given to people who live in the city.

>>18823900
Have you ever been south of 34th st? Good god

>>18824718
yes

>>18820265
don't overlook that homosexuality was legal in paris but not in england during those years

>>18823234
>if you take out the empire state building and chrysler building chicago has the best skyline in the US hands down.
True, and the Chicago skyline as seen from Adler is perfect. That said, I think San Francisco gives it a run for its money (though it is hideously expensive).

Honestly there is no 21st century version of 1920s Paris, because there is no equivalently developed city that is still incredibly cheap. The closest you'll get (at least in the US) will be some mid-western city like Oklahoma City or Omaha. 20 years ago I might have said Portland OR was the place, but it's since been gentrified to all hell and is no longer affordable except in comparison to places like SF, NYC, and LA. A similar fate probably awaits the other 'inexpensive' cities out there (it's happening to Boise as we speak).

And honestly, the arts/cultural/literary scene of most places is pretty dead. The Internet and commodification of culture has led to everywhere being essentially the same and has killed stand-out individual cities. Welcome to the brave new world where wherever you go, there you still are because not only have you brought yourself, but everything you're trying to get away from is in the new place you're moving to too.

The only real escape is a rural, country life. Most people these days are not cut out for that.

>>18823858
i live here, im a finance bro.

>>18823177
is dimes square a thing or just a retarded red scare meme? i got a copy of the drunken canal, seems like pseudery desu

>>18825052
(forgot pic of beautiful Chicago skyline)

>>18825059
chicago is a horrible cold and cheerless oppressive place where small enclaves of rich hebrews jog on the waterfront, bearded hipsters serve $11 coffees and all around them millions of future doctors and scientists carry out permanent somalia style urban bush warfare complete with child soldiers.

avoid.

>>18825086
lol I don't disagree anon. And Chicago winters are basically the equivalent of Dante's ninth circle of Hell. I would not want to live there again.

That said, its skyline is beautiful.

>>18820290
Have you been to Bangkok? It pretty shitty. Actually, all world capitals are disgusting and soulless

>>18823264
Oh, so if i marry a "little one" it should be good then, because sex after marriage isn't a sin

>>18825086
>>18825099
I'm starting college at the University of Chicago in a month. Is it really that bad? I don't mean to romanticize the city, UChicago is located right by the South Side after all, and a junior was shot and killed by a stray bullet on his way back from an internship just last month. I've seen the horror stories in the news. But I was born and raised in the Midwest and compared to NYC, LA, etc. Chicago seems like the only major city in this region which I can tolerate, and maybe even enjoy in small doses. I'm also desperate to leave my small town, especially after living here during a pandemic for the last year and a half so maybe I'm just looking for some copium to make me feel like I'm not making a mistake.

>>18825264
It's an amazing school Anon, one of the best; congrats on attending. Just don't walk alone at night and don't go more than a 1 block radius outside of campus. That's insane a student was killed like that, and so recently. Be careful.

>>18825264
It's an excellent school Anon, one of the best in the country; congrats on attending, you will get a lot out of it. Just don't walk alone at night and don't go more than a 1 block radius outside of campus. That's insane a student was killed like that, and so recently. Be careful, please.

>>18825264
You're not making a mistake, anon. UoC is one of the few remaining relatively non-pozzed top-tier universitiies in the country. The campus itself is fine, and there are nice enough pockets of Hyde Park. In general if you aren't looking for trouble it won't find you, but if you're a dumbass you can expect real consequences.

Kind of similar to USC in South Central LA, but with significantly better academics.

>>18825305
>>18825327
Thanks anons. I'm excited to attend, it's just hard to compartmentalize the extreme things I read and hear about the city online well enough to get a realistic idea of what to expect. So I appreciate the balanced perspectives, truly.

>>18823441
Really? I always thought he was Portuguese for some reason.

>>18824126
Same here, anon
What brought you to favor Buenos Aires? If I did TEFL I'd choose a Spanish-speaking country and was considering BA or somewhere in Spain

>>18823341
im a yurochad but this post made me cry and shit myself laughing

>>18823522
kys today u new york fag

>>18823341
TS Eliot was from St. Louis. Ezra Pound was from Philadelphia.

> From the widely acclaimed author of White Tears, a bold new novel about searching for order in a world that frames madness as truth.

>After receiving a prestigious writing fellowship in Germany, the narrator of Red Pill arrives in the Berlin suburb of Wannsee and struggles to accomplish anything at all. Instead of working on the book he has proposed to write, he takes long walks and binge-watches Blue Lives--a violent cop show that becomes weirdly compelling in its bleak, Darwinian view of life--and soon begins to wonder if his writing has any value at all.

>Wannsee is a place full of ghosts: Across the lake, the narrator can see the villa where the Nazis planned the Final Solution, and in his walks he passes the grave of the Romantic writer Heinrich von Kleist, who killed himself after deciding that "no happiness was possible here on earth." When some friends drag him to a party where he meets Anton, the creator of Blue Lives, the narrator begins to believe that the two of them are involved in a cosmic battle, and that Anton is "red-pilling" his viewers--turning them toward an ugly, alt-rightish worldview--ultimately forcing the narrator to wonder if he is losing his mind.

>Hari Mohan Nath Kunzru (born 1969) is a British novelist and journalist, author of the novels The Impressionist, Transmission and My Revolutions. Of mixed English and Kashmiri Pandit ancestry, he grew up in Essex. He studied English at Wadham College, Oxford University, then gained an MA in Philosophy and Literature from Warwick University. His work has been translated into twenty languages. He lives in New York City.

>>18824718
More than one of them are

I fucking hate New York. Sure, great culture with all the plays, artists, architecture, and all the literal jazz -- I sure as fuck wouldn't live in that shithole though. Rats the size of fuckin' cats, the city polarized between being coon-town and a wealthy paradise the only the elites can afford, not to mention the taxes, good lord, the taxes. The most concentration of Jews outside of Israel, that's all you need to know right there.
https://youtu.be/pP8XBJc2p_g?t=30

>>18820241
Both senses. Literature ended roughly around 1880.

NYC is where art goes to die.

Writers are bitchy assholes and are best surrounded by normals or smart people who aren't writers

>>18823264
anon this nigga did getcha
>>18825199

>>18823546
somehow you've managed to out-stupid the rest of the thread, congrats. For one as bad as this, that's pretty impressive.

>>18827045
Reminds me of this desu
https://youtu.be/x2klLy8r8Ro

>>18826994
Yo this Chinese shit about wutter is crazy

>>18828402
The original Law and Order was quite, I like to pretend that this "spin-off" series never existed,

>>18828511
*quite good

>>18828402
Coincidentally, also located in New York.

>>18823921
Fuck off, you guys are driving up prices here

>>18820367
The last time anything good came out of Berlin was the 70s

>>18823234
They’re trying to marr the skyline again after the terrorists did us a favor by getting rid of the twin towers.

>>18823921
Or just don’t live in either. You can live in Philly or Allentown, where the costs are a fraction of both New York and New Jersey and you be in the city in under 2 hours. If you feel like you need to be much closer, well, I think you probably can’t complain.

>>18820271
the apartment with exposed red brick walls gives me a hard on, fuck you

>>18828240
Nah, I seem to be one of the only sensible people here. If you have the stomach to work as a domme you're too insensitive to be a good artist. Though maybe you could still make it as a commercial artist.

>>18828909
there are classic works of art and literature created by soldiers who have killed people, being a domme is literally just making people happy, albiet in a weird way. The notion that all great artists are precious little butterflies who die at the slightest brush with cruelty is one that clearly comes from someone with no creativity.

>>18829254
>being a domme is literally just making people happy
I want to be happy... are you a woman?

>>18820229
There is an excesive amount of niggers and desert spawns.

>>18828511
agreed, and the best seasons were 1-4 with ben stone instead of the other guy

>>18829388
In your dreams
I'm 100% pure man muscle

>>18823522
Dont kill yourself art anon. Keep at it and maybe get a part time job to get out of the house to distract yourself a bit.

>>18823921
>y sense you'd live in Jersey City for half the price and have a shorter commute and no city resident tax.
Shhh. Too many people already doing that. They figured out its not worth the money to have an address that says NY instead of NJ.

>>18823240
It's the consequence of being a naive woke white girl. I'm a white dude and when I first walked through the hood I wore some classy stuff that I usually wear and got all sort of negative attention, next day I walk through the area dressed and ready to play a game of b-ball in a sports jersey, backwards cap, and 20$ dollar shoes and the people were a whole lot more accepting. It's not only about race, maybe some of it is, but also class.

>>18825052
This is largely untrue, it sounds like you haven’t visited enough good cities.

>>18823621
1000% agree

>>18821733
Sauce on picture?

>>18821391
Vegas is for people who don't actually know how to have a good time.

>>18830635
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4O0nr-W4fY&ab_channel=bigheadbungo

>>18824064
Yeah man, I've lived around here my whole life and I agree with that uneasy sense of dread that feels like it's trying to swallow you whole. The gullible people who come enjoy the superficial parts of living in such a big city, but once you puncture under the skin you know there's something evil there waiting for you.

>>18824027
Look at the list of most visited libraries in the world.

>>18830652
Thanks sempai

>>18830557
>It's the consequence of being a naive woke white girl.
yeah honestly this. I can't count how many times I've walked into Morningside Park near midnight to take a piss against a tree and I've never been hassled.

>>18824539
cope
Manhattan>Queens>Bronx>Staten>Nigger Brooklyn>Suburb Brooklyn>Hipster Brooklyn

>>18820229
NYC is but not for the reasons most people think. It’s not because of the “melting pot” shit, the “hustle and bustle”, or the tall buildings.

NYC is the most absurd place on earth. Rich NYU kids protesting capitalism. Williamsburg Brooklyn being the extreme liberal epicenter with ultra conservative orthodox/Hasidic Jews beating and raping their own wives for showing ankle. The opioid epidemic in Times Square with tourists stepping over overdosed addicts to get a picture of basically advertisements. World class restaurants with so much overhead that they’re less profitable than a lemonade stand, so out of that $400 check you paid they only keep like $20 in profit. Mass commercialism. Highest concentration of mentally ill people. Blatant signs of a failed state and failed government shoved in your face every moment.

There are a lot of /lit/ things about it but not what the tumblr hoes think

>>18830928
This. It's like some weird sci-fiction movie, every time I take a trip on their subway it feels like I'm stepping into the world of blade runner.

>>18820229
a

>>18830928
Midtown really is such a fucking mess rn, way more than usual. Peak covid it was spooky but kind of kino

>>18830928
Yea like Blade Runner or even Mad Max vibes. A lot of delusional people. A lot of good people still, like it's still fucking awesome if you know how to do it right, but it is absolutely fucking wild and surreal.

>>18831068
It's disgusting. But yea during COVID there was serious Halo ODST vibes.

>>18831022
More like waterworld.

>>18831116
was it like Halo because you looked at it on a screen?

>>18820229
>niggerfication of the world
>good literature

kek enjoy shittier and shittier art to appeal retards

>>18821572
>bounce idea
>get exposed because most high class escorts are libertards feminists

>>18830567
Well then, anon, enlighten us. What are the good cities that you're thinking of?

>>18824115
>I wasn't exactly calling the shots
I'm sorry mommy and daddy only took you to the tourists traps lmao

>>18831279
Beats meeting people like yourself, I suppose.

>>18823234
imagine the price of these places and not even have a balcony

>>18825264
Once you get a sense of your surroundings, you'll have to go out of your way to experience danger. I feel it's why the stray bullet stories are so horrifying, typically they don't happen. The winters are brutal but the city is beautiful and I feel has something for everyone. Congrats on UChicago though anon, I live on the north side and have drove past the campus for fun just to gawk at the architecture. Education aside I hope you find your place here, despite its shortcomings I enjoy it here and am glad I'm not paying NYC or LA prices.

>dream of visiting large cities like nyc and tokyo and spending my time wandering the streets, visiting shops, finding a nice place to read
>get there
>so anxious i cant take anything in, on edge constantly
>cant even focus if i find a nice spot to sit and watch people or read
god i hate myself

>>18821769
>18 months
lmao this niglet will still be a minor when he gets out so he can murder someone again and be free before his 18th birthday

>>18831214
What world do you live in? Being a prostitute very quickly teaches one the reality of the world. 'High class escorts' are usually just white girls caught in human trafficking, and I say this in Australia where prostitution is legal. I used to regularly fuck this one Spanish girl each week and she was a vicious little trollop studying to be a nurse so she could steal drugs to sell on the side. Her words and opinions wouldn't have had a hard time fitting in on 4chan. Once she told me a story about intentionally running over an aboriginal man while musing that more people should do it to teach them a lesson. She had heavenly breasts but as a person she was something between a /b/tard and an actual psychopath. I moved 3 years back and made sure to change phone number and am glad I never used my real full name with her. I miss her.

>>18820229
Why?
>>18830928
Sounds like any big city I've been to anon, except for the 400$ dish and the Jews, that's really something.

>>18831311
>the winters are brutal
no

does Paris have a culture anymore? if so what is it? I think of it as living off the good graces of the 19th century

>>18831426
Working as an escort (male) for 4 years honestly made me reactionary. Though I never had to deal with a lot of what girls have to and was pretty much sovereign, setting my own standards and rules, I cant say the experience was not strange and horrifying at times. At its end I was completely disgusted with myself and what I had devolved into, how thinks unnoticeably snowballed.
I spent almost 1 year in a monastery and I donate part of my income monthly to organisations that try to prevent human trafficking and suchand a few other causes. Its my goal to have donated the same amount of money that I made from prostitution.

>>18831426
I was buddies with a prostitute for a bit. She was really into me because I was an alcoholic and it reminded me of her father (her words, not mine). Then she broke into my house and robbed the place so I had to beat her up. Last time I saw her she was crying and looked genuinely terrified of me. Too bad, I really liked the girl. The sex was pretty good too.

>>18831761
this happened

>>18830928
I've only been there a week as a tourist and that was already my impression.

>>18823145
>I'm a mix of very highbrow and very lowbrow
That's literally the definition of middlebrow, you fucking midwit.

>>18820367
>West Turkestan

>>18823264
So we can molest non-Christian children then?

>>18821195
Berlin is thoroughly forgettable but I guess being easily impressed is a blessing.

>>18822958
>How can anyone not feel awestruck looking at endless waves of buildings
By not being a flyover faggot who loses his mind over a building taller than 3 stories.

There are no "modern parises" in the USA because americans have been thoroughly made shallow and greedy, enough for any sort of artist commune to never reach the critical nucleation point. Moreover there's not even any real wars being fought, so any simile to the post ww1 era is flawed.

>>18833209
stupid post, this guy doesn't get it

New York City, Amazon's secondary headquarters

>>18833414
What? Are you fucking retarded?

New York is the Sodom of today.

>>18831704
It is, there is no culture there and they don't like change.

>>18820265
NYC btfo

Good post

>>18822031
It is a European city in South America.

>>18821950
It's official: We are declaring Buenos Aires as THE /lit/ city of the 21st century.

Let's make it happen.

>>18821950
>>18834644
>Latinos think this is what Paris looks like

>>18820271
I'm so fucking sick of these stupid fucking basedboy memes. They're going to be unpopular in about a year when everyone collectively realizes how cringe they are.

>>18834661
Paris doesn't even look like Paris anymore

>>18820229
I visited recently bc I want to do grad school there. Honestly, the city is a beautiful place. The architecture alone is more impressive than anywhere I've ever seen. Everything is fucking expensive but I live in San Francisco so it wasn't much of a change for me. There is literally trash everywhere though and that's not an exaggeration. I'm talking piled up trash bags lining some blocks. There is some sort of dispute with trash contracts so the stuff just sits there for some god awful reason. Also rats and cockroaches everywhere. I want to do grad school over there bc everyone in California is so fucking uninterested in not being chill all the time it kills me. Just visiting NYC I felt that people are there because they want to do something with their lives. And the museums are incredible, except for the MoMa which was only exciting for the top floor, the rest which I only passed by seemed to be very shitty "i could have done that" kind of art. All in all it's better than San Francisco but I'll need to live there for a while before making a statement about what intellectual life it has to offer.

>>18820243
>contemporary*
pynchon

>>18834705
It doesn’t look like that either.

>>18834812
New York used to be fairly normal, populated with normal people. It’s not anymore. All of the normal people left, gone to the suburbs, Philly, Boston, Florida or anywhere else really. What you have left is a small minority of hustlers and strivers whether they’re conjuring up massaged spreadsheets to sell a business to some asset manager or conjuring up clickbait while they all support their wannabe auxiliaries hustling in barista and mixologist jobs. Then of course you have the horde, who I shouldn’t need to detail. New York sometimes feels like it’s not even an American city, let alone a Western one. I grew up nearby and I wouldn’t go back. Unfortunately, I think it’s a sign of things to come for literally everywhere else except only the most remote Rocky Mountain hamlet, which will sell out to investors in the end, and it’s still probably better than California.

>>18834922
London is the worst. Just feels totally foreign for everyone.

>>18834661
>implying pastal-coloured budget paris isn't even better than the real thing
Having lived in Paris and in Buenos Aires, I can say definitively that BA is more Paris than Paris is Paris.

>>18821274
hahaha
ma sides
funny fucker lmao

>>18825086
hahaha
hahaha
wtf
nice

new york is birth place of graffiti which is literally just words so i'd say its quite /lit/

>>18837263
>>18837287
based marihuana aficionado

>>18837314
Hip hop culture before it got commercialized is /lit/ and very innovative.

Rakim will be revered in 100 years even more than he is now for being a wordsmith

>>18821950

How’s the theatrical scene in Buenos Aires? If I translate my plays from Portuguese to Spanish is there any chance I might found a company to do business with?