/lit/ - Literature

>>18809770
Have you read it?

Sounds like the wailings of a typical organfag. How about you get off the developmental plane and join us here on the plane of composition, retard. Hacceity awaits. Become essential. Take your stratified homogenous substance and blow it out your wolf anus.

You didn't read it anyway so why do you care?

>>18809781
>>18809793
How's he wrong?

>>18809781
I did, unfortunately.

>>18809807
Idk wasn't the main point that psychoanalysis was pathologizing people for being incompatible with the norms of a capitalist society bent on harnessing one's desires to serve its own ends? But hey you know just keep posting cope and seethe over and over.

>>18809853
What these two retards describe as "capitalism" or "fascism" is broadly applicable to pretty much every major human social structure. There is no conceivable, functioning civilized society where one or another tendency is not "pathologized", or where no authoritarian way of enforcing social cohesion exists.
The whole thing is just a purely abstract line of thought that has no meaningful connection or application to reality.

Also:
>Idk
>But hey you know
Grow a fucking pair or go back to R*ddit.

>>18809972
The application to reality is that you become trans and pull a statue down.

>>18809972
>we have always had a capitalist authoritarian society
Based non-reading 2016igger

>>18809993
Ever read Marx? Crack a spine, spook.

>>18809993
Name one that wasn't.

filtered. Didn't read it, probably didn't even get past 5 pages.

>>18810095
>filtered
>Didn't read it
These are mutually exclusive.

>>18810095
Part two is significantly better and more schizo

>>18810010
>Ever read Marx?

Yikes.

Schizoanalysis is way more interesting when applied to other fields than politics

>>18809993

That is not what he fucking said and you damn well know it. t. not that guy but I hate people who don't have reading comprehension and/or misread intentionally when convenient.

>>18809993
That’s not what he said you massive retard.

>>18810718
>>18810731
the other poster is the one misreading d&g

>>18810718
What AO is arguing is far more specific than the broader scope the other poster wants to take things to, a scope which approaches meaninglessness if we are to play along with him and debate whether or not governments are restrictive of their population instead of what AO is about. Why return bad faith with anything but bad faith?

>>18810770
It seems fair to assume that, if D&G were critiquing something specific to capitalism, they’d have a system in mind that wouldn’t suffer from the same flaws they ascribe to capitalism. If they don’t, then their whole critique is worthless.

Also, complaining about imaginary bad faith is not an argument. Not a single person in this thread has said anything yet to contradict the OP.

>>18810821
>you can't criticize something unless you have a total replacement for it

>>18810739
Not like you’d know since your counter was utterly retarded.

>>18810821
>but where are your ANSWERS
>gonna need you to tell me a better system
>capitalism is evil but is there anything better?

>>18809770
i think this book is for retards. the type of retards that think because they've overcomplicated their own words that they are now smart.

>>18810951
Based. Even when I like a philosopher his shit still stinks.

>>18809770
Wow you misundestood everything AND found time to be totally retarded man I'm impressed are your multitasking

>>18810770
>>18810833
You two are contradicting each other. Either the book is criticizing capitalism specifically (which, by itself, implies the failings of capitalism are not inherent to the human condition as a whole, and thus may be fixed, as I’m sure the authors intended when they supported legalizing pedophilia) or it’s not, in which case they should’ve changed their terminology.
I’ve a strong suspicion you faggots are just pretending to have read it.

>>18810010
ever read this huge cock and balls

>>18809781
>>18809793
>>18809993
>>18810095
>>18810739
>>18810770
>>18810960
Not a single argument in the book’s favor. Guess it’s officially dogshit then.

>>18810998
(You) haven't read it; the criticism is largely of Lacan and Freud in the first place and relates psychoanalysis to capitalism. It's not the communist manifesto.

>>18809781
Yes. I thought it was neat :)

I got this book recommended to me in an oedipus thread I posted

Is there anything I should know or read before reading this?

>>18811065
Why did anon recommend it to you?

>>18811085
oedipus thread I posted

>>18811097
&_&

>>18811050
None of that contradicts what I said.

>>18811050
Yes, and the whole point of the critique is that psychoanalysis serves as a reinforcement of authoritarian normative structures, which the rest of the book (and its intellectual forebears) associates with capitalism and fascism specifically. You’re just obfuscating at this point.

>>18811165
What, so you're going to tell me those aren't relevant contemporary examples of authoritarian normative structures?

>>18809770
You can change human nature by changing your gut biome. In other words: eat my shit.

>>18811195
lmao br

>>18810951
Based

Deleuzoguattarian oomfie

>>18810833
That is basically what philosophical "critique" ---qua Kant till our time--- means: "the object of critique should let another object, and its constitution, emerge".

>>18809770
IAMNASocialist but capitalism is human nature is a dumb argument, perhaps some aspects of it are but if you’re claiming you know which parts are cultural and which are natural you’re full of it

>>18809972
>There is no conceivable, functioning civilized society where one or another tendency is not "pathologized", or where no authoritarian way of enforcing social cohesion exists.

Correct, you have understood the basic point of departure of AO's politics. It is exactly what D&G acknowledge. They just try to understand why it's the case, and how it is possible that this pathologizing is never complete and how social machines allow for escapes and changes to their pathologizing functioning.