/lit/ - Literature

Terrible blogpost, kys

>>18804116
>Why can't they just help me do what I want, why do they force me to fit some narrow mold?
turn in your assignments and write your magnum opus on your own time with your own dime

What am I supposed to tell you, Anon?

a PhD student is still a student
you're still here to learn
not really to research
yes i know the dissertation is 'research'
but really you're learning to research
your system is going to be garbage
it's not the 20th century anymore
there is a genuine conversation to catch up on
catch up on it first, and as >>18804127 says
you write your own personal autistic system in your own time when you're earned the right to be listened to because whether no matter how smart you think you are right now, you have a long way to go before you write anything that isn't complete garbage

t. another philosophy phd student

seen a fellow phd student lose his mind on drugs and violence and drop out and another take his own life off pills for what it's worth desu

i'm in a similar state of breakdown
if you're smart... it's supposed to hurt

>>18804145
I just have no one to talk to. Sometimes /lit/ has a few PhD students pop in who I hope can give advice. If not then whatever.

>>18804116
You're gonna die anyway you fucking pussy.
Stop giving a fuck about the bad shit and being a little bitch, push through it.
No other way around it, easiest way to do something is to just fucking do it.
If you've got "depression" look hard in the fuck mirror, jack off whilst maintaining eye contact with yourself and lick the cum off your limp dick.
There is nothing holding you back. Fucking nothing. No depression. Nothing is stopping you form just going out there and learning how to do shit and how to do it successfully than your own incapability to not give up. Get the fuck out there and do something, don't stay indoors like a little shit.
I see the fact you're simply looking for attention here, any sensible human would actually tell a friend, which means you're hiding it from them or don't have any, at any point you're still a fucking loser. Get yourself up or die a miserable, preventable death of throwing yourself a rope, which you'll probably pussy out on 5 times before you actually do it.
There's always more to life faggot. Becoming a complete and utter failure of a human being by sitting in your house all day doing nothing, then talking on anonymous social media about how you're gonna kill yourself is retarded. There's nothing to fight, it's just you being a little shit that can't handle life.

>>18804116
You're in the most competitive programme in the English speaking world, with the world employment outcomes, the least value to capital outside of high finance for analyticals, a high level of student interest, and you have imposter syndrome.

Every PhD student except for children of aristocrats has imposter syndrome.

System building as >>18804153 said is so modernist that it hurts. If you want to build systems drop out now and write fascist tripe for baseball cap wearing truck owning nazis.

If you're in an American programme they don't trust your undergraduate and are trying to rape disciplinary sense into you.

Hope you picked analytical and sucked the correct cocks, because otherwise you're fucked and should work on your backup plan now. (I recommend post officer.) By the way, Little Miss Sunshine.

p.s.: If your continental I hope you're from a working class background, because if you are raping Zizek to quadruplegia with a knife would be an excellent contribution to discourse, apart from shutting Zizek up, getting your useless twaddle murder-published, it would make a statement biopolitically and in terms of Zizek's own work on the impossibility of praxis.

>>18804193

I haven't followed the thread of discussion (the OP) but this post is trying way too hard to sound smart, and just comes off like an acerbic teenager.

>>18804182
I am not a philosophy PhD but I have a PhD in other fields. The most important lesson is that you are own your own and have to forge your own path. No one gives a shit about you and your work, they have no time and mental resources for that. Most of academia is nepotism, low effort optimization, and following trends. This is a constant across many degrees. Just roll with it and then either commit fully (meaning subject yourself to politicking and networking) or get out.

Just tune out on the weekends.

>>18804116
Quit your PhD, self publish your shit for free and then shill it on here. You're not gonna write anything good while trying to please academic types. You will either end up writing something interesting/unique or it will be retarded and we can make fun of it. At the very least you'll make more money shilling it on the internet (unless you have a full scholarship).

My experience of graduate school was that it crushed anyone who wasn't aggressively "normal," which amounted to anyone who actually gave a shit. All the "normal" people knew that it wasn't "normal" to really care about what they did, or to be nursing a life's mission or a lifelong project related to their studies. Somehow the system always seemed to promote the same carefree, cheerfully cynical normie attitudes, and to reward people for coasting and bullshitting through in the lamest ways.

Inevitably this made people who cared feel like they didn't belong, that they were impostors. Every really good and dedicated person I met finished out of spite or "meh might as well" at most, and more than a few dropped out.

On the one hand I want to say don't buy into the system's bullshit, reject it and don't let it gaslight you into thinking you're the weirdo. They are the weirdos for thriving in this psycho careerist-yet-ambitionless office drone environment. They are the weirdos for simultaneously not caring about conferences, which in aggregate causes the conferences to be fake phoned-in shit, and makes you feel stupid for being the only one who tried to present something meaningful, and they are even bigger weirdos for turning around after they have a few of these fake conferences under their belt and acting like they are great noble scholars. The whole thing is fucking demented. The professors are weirdos for rewarding this behavior and for being blind, and often cruel, to the few oddballs who want to transcend all this mediocrity through sacrifice and hard work.

But on the other hand I want to say don't reject the system completely. It may be healthy to drop out and reject the whole sick mess but I say fuck the system even harder, do a cold hard cost benefit analysis and decide for yourself whether you can benefit from the PhD, and whether your sanity and well-being can tolerate completing it. Then become even more ruthless and cynical than the unconsciously cynical normies, and exploit the system for everything it can give you (credentials, connections, possibly but not probably a good job, a few years of not terrible pay) before you leave it on your terms, with the PhD or not.

You're not alone. Especially about always feeling like you're treading water but the mediocrities aren't. I have watched so many good people bust their ass for some milestone, like their comps, only to feel like the victory was hollow once they pass it because it wasn't even rigorous, and then have to watch their dumbass peers who didn't work 1/4 as hard walk out and brag that they passed their own fake as shit comps. But then the system rewards the faker and his fake comps and makes you feel like you're behind him somehow, in the very ways it talks to you and treats you.

You should probably just get ABD and make your decisions then. PhD course work is pathetic anyway, infantilizing glorified second undergrad.

>>18804389
>ABD
Better than being ten-yeared.

Have an escape strategy where if you actually care about research you've learnt how to write for your field and submit. Also have an escape strategy into a job which provides enough to live on, travel to conferences with the people who you actually confer with, and with enough mental time aside to actually work.

You're too late for plumbing or electrician, so you'd better find the manual labourer job that suits you.

>>18804389
Thank you for your advice. I'm hoping to at least get the PhD just because I want to prove to the system I can still do it by their rules, but it is really disappointing how much of it is careerist but ambitionless as you said. I will be ABD at the end of this starting school year, assuming I pass my non-coursework requirements.

>>18804116
unrelated but what's the literary equivalent of the OP picture?

>>18804184
sweet words, very easy to come up with when youve had people to learn from and treat you well. some of us have absolutely fucking nothing, nobody to even teach us how to cope with things that humans dont just intuitively know how to deal with. its hilarious because the only people who give this advice are the ones who have never had to follow it

>>18804116
Join the the Naiveté movement >>18798270
There are many anons who feel same as you. We need to come together.

>>18804535
Short sorties of Thomas Ligotti

>>18804193
What a tremendous faggot you are

>>18804743
>faggot
fuck off moral runt. You can't even speak bant.

>>18804116
I also always get A- kek. They always manage to make a trite objection not to give full A. As for your question, that's the state of philosophy today. Most of them don't care about systematic treatises.

What is system building

>>18805420
Long form continental writing ala Kant, Hegel, Nietzsche, Deleuze & Guattari, etc.

Or Berties failed fuck up
Or Wittgenstein's self-immolation

>>18805441
Even Carnap and Quine were system builders, bugman.

>>18805459
Hey, I'm a historian pissing on your doctoral students as they lay down in the urinal of American doctoral standards. Do I care about Carnap or Quine? Now let me get back to masturbating.

Over here we've been dealing with unstable meaning since the 1830s quite nicely. Enjoy your shit show.

I'm planning to start a PhD in philosophy next year but I'm prepared for all of the bureaucratic demoralizing non-sense. I'll do it only because it pays where I live, so I can spend 4 years investigating a topic I'm interested in while looking for alternative money source on the side. Academia today is a joke if you have any ambitions, unless you got lucky by any chance. It rewards NPC's, not thinkers.

>>18804116
What do you mean by gaslighted? Can you say more about that?
Other than that, you should probably just do what they tell you to do and try to twist every assignment to fit your own personal interests in some way. Look at it as an exercise in building the basic skills and knowledge that will enable you to do what you want.

>>18805459
that's kind of a stretch. a better example would be david armstrong

>>18805664
You're tactically being made to believe you must be crazy and wrong in some special sense that isn't worth taking space in the forum of ideas (academia), unless you can be "believably" right, which also means you have to be able to show you're "believable" in a small space without straying too far from orthodox discourse, because your critical audience is that orthodox discourse. You're being groomed into thinking your way is the wrong and bad way, and some mainstream non-ambitious way of doing philosophy is the right and good way, because those are the people that get rewarded. And you're being led to believe this is the "right" way to carry out philosophy. It's like cult brainwash or an abusive relationship in terms of how it's trying to break you out of your views to make you fit its mold.
>>18805526
Best of luck anon. Just be prepared for bitterness. PhD does pay if you go to a good one, but it also depends on how much you spend a month (and that means it depends on your rent as well).
>>18805420
>>18805441
>>18805459
>>18805775
Carnap and Quine and Armstrong and Russell and Wittgenstein all count. But note that someone like Russell was working back when the standards of academia actually encouraged system-building (back in the heyday of British idealism) while Wittgenstein was lucky to have special patronage (from Russell), rarely earned today by anyone, and Carnap had the benefit of being part of a club (the Vienna Circle) that wrote its own journal and thus set its own conditions of fame. Stuff like that is now seen very negatively by academia.

>>18805901
>You're tactically being made to believe you must be crazy and wrong in some special sense that isn't worth taking space in the forum of ideas (academia), unless you can be "believably" right, which also means you have to be able to show you're "believable" in a small space without straying too far from orthodox discourse, because your critical audience is that orthodox discourse. You're being groomed into thinking your way is the wrong and bad way, and some mainstream non-ambitious way of doing philosophy is the right and good way, because those are the people that get rewarded. And you're being led to believe this is the "right" way to carry out philosophy. It's like cult brainwash or an abusive relationship in terms of how it's trying to break you out of your views to make you fit its mold.
I know exactly what you're talking about. Honestly, I'd just make like MacIntyre and do as they say until one is in a position to do as one pleases.

>>18805901
Anon you might enjoy Schopenhauer's essay "On University Philosophy" (you'll find it in Parerga and Paralipomena vol. 1). Granted, it's about two centuries dated, but you will find that not much has changed.

>>18805957
yeah macintyre is one of the few analytic political philosophers worth reading because he gives 0 shits about what his peers think of him, otherwise he'd just be another boring liberal. problem is he, by his own admission iirc, wasn't open about his "fringe" views until well into his career

>>18805975
is that where he seethes about hegel?

>>18805957
I know this is the way to do it if you want to work with the system but delaying gratification for decades meanwhile working within the terrible system's rigid framework is awful. I might end up doing it anyway but it's annoying.

>>18805991
Hegel is mentioned, but he isn't the focus. He explains why academic philosophy will never be fully motivated towards the truth, and why he decided to leave academia after getting his PhD.

>>18805985
>he, by his own admission iirc, wasn't open about his "fringe" views until well into his career
Can I get a source on this?
>>18805993
Well, Harvey Mansfield has an essay called "Leo Strauss on The Prince," and there is also Strauss's Thoughts on Machiavelli. I think either one of those might make you feel better.

>>18806011
>Can I get a source on this?
nah idr where i read it sorry. i think it was in some relation to him critiquing rawls' first book

>>18806004
Hegel and other philosophers do become a kind of focus, but it is a great text nonetheless. Also recommend Nietzsches lectures about higher education collected in "Anti-Education" book.

>>18804389
Great words. Can fully echo them.

bmp

>>18804116
write the long works in your freetime retard, this is obvious to me as a biochem undergrad

>>18804116
what are your unique views?

>>18805244
It's hilarious when people try to act smart on 4channel

>>18804116
>Doesn't help when my peers tell me they think I'm smarter than them,
Imagine how dumb they must be

>>18804116
Filtered. Unironically, you're being filtered. Never forget that the system does not work for you, you work for it. Just do whatever stupid shit they ask, don't act up, and then work on your treatise with the credit of your title of pee aitch dee. Nobody will read it either way.

>>18804116
Jesus Christ grow a pair of balls you fucking sook

>>18804116
>>18804389
Sounds to me like you're a couple of narcissistic assholes. All this talk of "the system"...not being up to your standards (you rejected the mold because you're a special piece!). Lacking the self-awareness, probably because your too busy jerking off to the idea of being smart and creative, that you're actually so invested and embedded within "the system" you're doing a Ph.D.

Time to stop being grad students and start being adults. All that money and time spent in school and you're both still yet to figure out that society isn't going to hand you a gold star sticker as big and shiny as the one you think you deserve.

>>18808354
Thanks for the bump.

>>18808354
PhDs are explicitly advertised to people who love their specialty enough to bleed for it and then you get there and it's just a generic mid tier law school mixed with office drama, it is justified to gripe about it a little bit. Especially when people do sink 5-10 years into something based on lies that only ended up benefiting others.

Every piece of garbage overachieving underachiever now brags on their twitter profile that they have a PhD or are a PhD candidate and posts lame little "heh guess that's the life of a PHD STUDENT ;)" shit all day long. Imagine knowing those people in real life, then imagine that they are better off because they're such animals and don't notice when they're being pandered to because the school only wants their money and for them to advertise "you too can be a douche like me!" to another generation of naive parental wallets.

>>18808397
>because the school only wants their money
Who pays for a PhD?
t. Receiving a very generous stipend

>>18808354
No one is spending money on grad school. If you do, you are a sucker. It seems to me you are not a grad student or ever did a PhD, otherwise you would know what he is talking about. He speaks complete truth.

>>18808416
Lots of twitter wannabe academic assholes. It's the same reason the majority of law students are deluded incompetents who will never work in law, yet blow the best years of their youth and tons of money on a third rate school. They and their families think law school means something in and of itself.

Most people stay past their guaranteed funding also. I was lucky enough to be fully funded too but let's not pretend there aren't many people even at the upper echelons scraping for grants and scholarships, in year 5, 6, 7, or even 3 or 4 in some cases. Can't even count all the people I knew who spent all their time working extra teaching jobs, or doing things unrelated to their theses, or simply begging for more money from internal and external funding sources, for months and years that should have been spent finishing the fucking dissertation instead. For many it becomes an endless cycle. Especially dangerous when you're 30 and your "generous" Princeton stipend of $35,000 a year is suddenly not enough to support your new wife and your kid. Then years go by, you lose touch with your research and your enthusiasm for it, but you slap something together anyway when push comes to shove, and the institution feels bad and passes you for it, and standards drop a little bit more for the next generation of hopefuls.

Again I'm happy with my experience but I knew many people like that. Most of the people who finished quick and clean were people who only cared about the technical requirements and practically slapped 5 of their undergrad papers together and called it a book.

>>18804193
cringe

>>18805441
Nietzsche is the opposite of systematic you fucking pseud
get out

>>18808354
I expect this thread will be a well of sage advice for a poor disillusioned student.
>>18808397
Disillusionment is pretty much the central theme in "coming of age" lit. It's comic that aged Ph.D. cands are crying about it, ironically parodying world-hardened wisdom, not tragic.
>>18808477
>No one is spending money on grad school.
Opportunity cost. Duh.

>>18808368
>I expect this thread will be a well of sage advice for a poor disillusioned student.
Opps.

>>18808477
>It seems to me you are not a grad student or ever did a PhD,
Behold, the real salable reason to enter grad school. Impress complete strangers, intimidate morons, label your authority...all this at the low low cost of any self-worth you will ever possess for any other reason. Stay long and drink at the sagging sour teat of alma mater--it's all the nourishment you'll ever want to need.

>>18808520
>ouch
Deleuze and Guattari aren't systematic too. Maybe the anon meant philosophical writing that isnt specialized like in today's academia, where you pick a philosopher/topic and spend your whole life on it.

>>18804585
Blah blah blah FAGGOT

>>18808483
Why spend any time looking at their twitters if they're assholes? Also, were you actually around such people when you did your PhD? How common are such people at highly-ranked programs?

>>18804116
Oh my god, shut up you huge baby. What you are experiencing isn't "gaslighting."

>>18808762
He's right. What the fuck kind of reddit shit was that post he was replying to anyways? Just jack off in front of a mirror bro

>>18808776
not him but
they're common everywhere buddy, I'm at the Mayo Clinic right now and it's the same shit with STEM

>>18809111
Alright, then I guess I was right to go in with the expectation of not making any friends.

I don't understand at all. All my professors and the academics I read I read ZERO of their dissertations. That is like practice shit for them I assume. I only read their articles and books well after they are done their dissertation. I don't care at all about their own special ideas and just want them to teach me expertise on specific topics not their pet projects.

Are people actually reading dissertations am I missing something?

>>18809332
Usually you want to turn your dissertation into your first book within a couple years of graduating

>>18809332
Yes, they are. See >>18809340

>>18808677
I think you misunderstand the meaning of that reply, not sure what's up with all that salt.
The previous comment was referring to the attitude about the original post, which has a very relatable comment on life as PhD. If you have not done one, it is unlikely you are "getting" what he is talking about.

>>18808551
>Opportunity cost. Duh.
Not really, depends on what you accomplish in grad school.

>>18804116
Why do they allow children in their PhD programme

>>18805420
Build a theory of everything like science cucks do

>>18804116
>'m asked to be "convincing" to unsympathetic readers within 20 pages, with minimal reference to external system-building, or anything else like that, unless I can somehow "sell it" within those same 20 pages (which is impossible
Iktf OP

>>18808332
Care to show me a true model of reality, cunt?

>>18804116
>Instead I'm asked to be "convincing" to unsympathetic readers within 20 pages, with minimal reference to external system-building, or anything else like that, unless I can somehow "sell it" within those same 20 pages (which is impossible)
Lol, read the first chapter of Lewis' Plurality of Worlds if you want a master-work of selling a seemingly absurd premise to unsympathetic readers.

>>18811238
SINPG is a great paper.

>>18804184
>If you've got "depression" look hard in the fuck mirror, jack off whilst maintaining eye contact with yourself and lick the cum off your limp dick.
Wow.

>>18809979
>If you have not done one, it is unlikely you are "getting" what he is talking about.
Bonus: in addition to your condescension gravitas starter pack we will include the sincere but misplaced indignation upgrade free of charge. WARNING: Use only as instructed. Condescending folk wisdom will not work on sarcasm; lack of self-awareness and the potential realization of narcissistic tendencies may cause future embarrassment.

>>18805470
What do you mean you're dealing with unstable meaning fine? What is America doing wrong?

>>18811815
Historians didn’t drop their guts when the French demonstrated that language can’t demonstrably mean things. Because we work with lies and seek to make less bad and more convincing lies that are honest to the multitude of potential best readings of past lies. Look up eisegesis and exegesis. The theologians don’t care either. We’re having a party in the text and meanwhile contis are having a shit fit over the equivalent of incompleteness.

Like seriously philosophy is a sick discipline. Not as sick as lit crit or sociology. But sick.

>>18808483
>Most of the people who finished quick and clean were people who only cared about the technical requirements and practically slapped 5 of their undergrad papers together and called it a book.
Based

>>18804116
>>I just want to be given the support to hone my skills in writing a systematic philosophical treatise or other book-length works showing how all my beliefs fit together

>>Instead I'm asked to be "convincing" to unsympathetic readers within 20 pages, with minimal reference to external system-building, or anything else like that, unless I can somehow "sell it" within those same 20 pages (which is impossible)

Not going to lie, OP, both of these attitudes are utterly foreign to any true intellectuality and philosophy. Both you and your professors are utterly mistaken about everything which pertains to true knowledge. I'm almost in awe that people supposedly at the top of modern "knowledge" can think and treat knowledge this way. As far as I can tell, both of these attitudes, both yours and your professors', stem from the exact same causes. All of this is simply the inevitable hostility and clash of intellectual individualism, which can never acknowledge principles higher than the mere individual.

>>18811903
You make no sense.

>>18811934
>You make no sense.
Do you actually work in a University or are you a just pretending to be a useless cunt in public for shit an giggles?

Ever notice the emphasis on simple argument and inference in academia? Yet, how many historical philosophy texts, across 1000s of years and different cultures use that rigid point model? Philosophy has never been the straightforward. Religion, never the obvious. Even Socrates is draped in mysterious dialogical form via Plato. How is that students are so deceived about philosophy? Why has it ceased to be about wisdom, instead polemics only?

>>18812038
You are a little too confident, not only of your interpretation of certain French theorists, but also of the universality of your views.

>>18812064
I think you would enjoy Leo Strauss and Arthur Melzer. According to both, the shift occurred at the beginning of the nineteenth century.

>>18812064
Philosophy has always been in tension between the sophists, including Socrates as the greatest of the sophists, and trivial system builders like Plato or Aristotle.

The split between fully sick cunts who can handle their fucken bants, "Right cunts, gis a free gym membership for a year you fuckholes." and boring fucking analyticals like most of youse shitefuckers are, "I'll write a book on physics, then after that I won't even bother to name the next book correctly."

FUCK BOYS
TROLL CUNTS IN PUBLIC
DRINK HEMLOCK

>>18811903
>French demonstrated that language can’t demonstrably mean things
filtered

>>18804116
>systematic philosophical treatise or other book-length works showing how all my beliefs fit together
This is over, anon.

>>18808169
And this anon is right.

>>18812064
Aristotle, Spinoza, Kant, Hobbes

>>18812080
Where do you live?
I ask so I can knife you.

>>18812135
>he thinks Chomsky scored a goal in the first half
You can literally see his heart breaking as Foucault suggests, "That'd be nice, wouldn't it, prove it."

>>18812178
Not him, but do you understand the difference between a refutation, asking questions, and a demonstration?

>>18812275
>Language has meaning
>That's nice, prove it
>I can't prove it, but it would be nice, but language has meaning
>MAAAAAAAATE go home you're fucken drunk.

This is a case of by his own words condemned. That the systems of meaning are improveably meaningless is a trivium. If your discipline can't cope, then I hope you're a reactionary fuck because funding rules everything around you.

=F±R±E±A±M=

>>18804116
>>18804389
How do you people get that far down the line without realizing it long before? I took a philosophy minor and that was more than enough to see that out of dozens of teachers only two could be taken seriously and one of them was hated by every normie among both faculty and students.

Not a single interesting person in sight. Either complete autists that never spoke a word or the worst superficial normies you could imagine that were just too quirky (loser) for anything else.

To find just one conversation partner that could keep pace was too much to ask. Half the time you feel like an imbecile for saying anything.

>>18804127
do you think the university is paying him?

>>18804116
Get some friends together from lit and arts (not here on 4chan, in real life) and start a small and independent publication or.zine. this way you can express freely what you want, and dont limit your creation to the academic environment.

>>18805975
Haven't read it but I will, thanks.
>>18812360
There's another side to this whole mess, which is that if you're not part of the academia club, you're systematically disregarded almost on purpose. It's like you're blacklisted. Whereas if you can make it within the system but then tread your own path later down the line, at least you're taken seriously. That gives people who hate the system some incentive to still work within it for a while. Another incentive is that all the most up-to-date learning is found more easily in academia resources (like professors and school-accessible journals). So academia is a great resource to milk for personal purposes, it's just a terrible system to try and fit into. Related: Good PhD programs pay for your tuition and give you a stipend so you're basically getting those resources for free and with extra money. I saw another anon in this thread point this out: PhD programs, if they're good, don't actually put you in any debt, they net you a profit, that's how it is for me as well as him it seems.

>>18812289
The question is absurd, my dude. Language has meaning. There is no need to prove it, because it is something that is lived around you every single day. Someone who asks another to prove that language has meaning is like one who asks another to prove the existence of the United States. They are pretending not to know something that no one has ever regarded as being in need of proof, because it is obvious.

>>18812461
This is a bad idea. You cannot say whatever you want. People in the university environment live in literal fear, and spend most of their time figuring out ways to make assertions without asserting them - see >>18812289 - so that they can avoid getting into trouble.

>>18804116
I can't imagine something more peak autism than wasting your life away with a Philosophy PhD.

>>18813131
Careful, bro, you're getting awfully close to mysticism there. Next thing you'll be telling me intellectual intuition is real, and we all KNOW that isn't real, because God doesn't exist, right?

bump

All I see is soijak...

>>18812086
Meds now you deranged nigger
> Larping as aussie socratodiogenes
Lmao

>>18815451
>larping
Nah cunt. This isn’t LARP. You die in the real you die in the game. Let those who have ears hear.

>>18815558
> Let those who have seed, feed

>>18804585
keep playing the victim and you-ll amount to nothing fag

>>18804116
academia is an institution of gaslighters.

>>18812592
>Whereas if you can make it within the system but then tread your own path later down the line, at least you're taken seriously.
Just whore your way to chastity, bro, it is that simple.

>>18811903
If language can't convey meaning, what do you mean by your posting in written language?

>>18804389
how this
>"Somehow the system always seemed to promote the same carefree, cheerfully cynical normie attitudes, and to reward people for coasting and bullshitting through in the lamest ways".
its not this
>Then become even more ruthless and cynical than the unconsciously cynical normies, and exploit the system for everything it can give you (credentials, connections, possibly but not probably a good job, a few years of not terrible pay) before you leave it on your terms, with the PhD or not.

>>18816017
Mate cogito only proves consciousness exists. I don’t exist. I’m a fucking pZombie anyway. Show me the external world and win a Nobel prize cunt.

>>18804116
you're retarded. how did you not figure this out beforehand? a philosophy doctorate program is meant to prepare you to be a professor, and professors don't publish the kind of thing you want to write about anymore.

I agree that it might suck, but you played yourself

>>18804116
>a man in his twenties discovers the world does not revolve around him
Great story, OP. Very original.

>>18804116
Serious advice from someone who dabbled in higher ed but never ended in grad school, ignore all women and feminists and your life will go from complicated to beautifully simple.

>>18817076
Can you say more? What do you mean by that?

>>18812376
In America graduate degrees are generally funded by the University. An admittance into a program without funding or TAship is generally seen as a polite rejection.

>>18817114
Sure thing and sorry to be bombastic. Stop taking anything women say seriously and stop using any mental energy to evaluate it on its merit. I view this spiritually whereby women can embody the logos but cannot articulate it, whereas men can articulate it but not embody it. Men that are feminists have ceded their minds over to women by taking their arguments seriously and are thus infected by noise. Essentially, ignore all articles, books, and otherwise, written by women. It isn't an act of hate, but seriously just an act of sanity.

Why are the universities crumbling? Women. Why is healthcare a shitshow? Women. I don't say this as a value judgment, because human value is divine, but just how women behave is totally irrational.

What I'm really trying to get at, too, is that to embrace fraternity. I seriously challenge you to just try on the metaphysical lens for a week or a month and you'll see the amount of noise that it excises is staggering.

>>18817147
I see. I do not share your views on this matter. How did you arrive at them? What set of experiences led you to these conclusions?

>>18817183
>How did you arrive at them?
A lot of painful study.
>What set of experiences led you to these conclusions?
Do you see something? "Set of experiences?" You have already embodied my cognition rather than looking at the thought and rationality in and of itself as an abstract thing which can be true with or without experience. But, to answer the question, I challenge you to go onto any online magazine (Aeon, The Atlantic, or LA / NY Times) and read the critical thought pieces by men and by women. There is a categorical difference. Men write in such a way as the cliches of society are abstracted, women write in such a way that the cliches of the day become absorbed into their thought. Not only that, generally their pieces are so obvious that it's not worth reading in the first place. Essentially, I think it boils down to the fact that thinking truly independently is only possible for men (Paglia being the sole exception I'm aware of that seems to have done it).

This isn't a value judgement, this is merely an assessment. I think most of the reason that people sneer at "the humanities" is because it's dominated by women now and not because it has anything to do with the humanities changing.

>>18817129
This is not true unless you’re going to an elite school or are a nigger

>>18817360
You shouldn't even bother with a philosophy PhD program that isn't elite though, at least if you're serious about getting somewhere with that PhD.

>>18817360
I don't know why you believe that.
>>18817330
I thought you got burned. That's usually what happens when people say such things. In any case, all I can say is that the men and women who write in these outlets are of an equal level of penetration from my perspective, which is also to say that they lack penetration to the same degree. Consider also that such a pattern of behavior would immediately be obvious, so your advice would backfire by attracting attention instead of warding it off.

>>18817389
>Consider also that such a pattern of behavior would immediately be obvious, so your advice would backfire by attracting attention instead of warding it off.
In a way yes. Just be respectful and compassionate and use it domain-specific.

>>18817389
No school has enough money to pay for philosophy grads that’s not private or elite

>>18817417
I seriously don't know why you believe that. Here's the site you should be looking at: http://www.phdstipends.com/results

>>18817147
>Men that are feminists have ceded their minds over to women by taking their arguments seriously and are thus infected by noise
This makes sense, a lot.

>>18817431
anon, most of the programs above 1 are considered strong in their field. ffs Harvard lifesci is at 1.7

>>18813131
I don't think you can prove language has meaning any more than you can prove water is wet.

>>18804116
>I just feel gaslighted and increasingly depressed and frustrated.
Thats the point of academia. its an exercise in demoralization

>>18804585
I get it anon. My family was basically absent and I had to figure out everything for myself. A whole lot of things i thought were normal turned out to be freakish, and vice versa. The world is still alien to me, but I try my best. You can only learn by experience

>>18804116
>enters corporate education that teaches how to earn money in their particular area
>is surprised about anything that follows

>>18804116
Blah blah blah, shut the fuck up and get off of 4chan.
>>18805526
This. Sometimes it's better to be painfully mediocre than to aspire to some "higher standard" if it means getting shit on in other aspects of life (IE financially, relationship wise etc). Just keep your more aspirational dreams as a side hobby, and talk about it with some close friends or whatever.

>>18804116
How far along are you anon? Also Philosophy PhD here.

It sounds like you're trying to write your magnum opus while you're still in the publishing part of your life. This isn't bad, and I cannot stress enough how important it will be for you to hold on to that motivation and inspiration, but its not entirely surprising that the institution isn't on board with this timeline of work. Most published philosophy papers have little to do with external system building. These types of grand architectural undertakings are not entirely fashionable right now, as compared to hyper-focused commentary pieces. I don't particularly enjoy this but thats what it is, and this shouldn't be surprising to you as a doctoral student.

Keep your head up OP, but be realistic about where you are and what you're supposed to be doing there. If you have a good relationship with your supervisor, and you're doing well on your papers, try publishing a few. Build up some good will. Then work on your project on the side before presenting it and asking for support.

t. Philosophy phd student

>>18806011
Depending on how fringe you mean, After Virtue is explicitly him switching off generic marxist mode

>>18812178
> referring to a video

again, filtered