/lit/ - Literature

haha your morals suck
oh mY GOOOD AN ANIMlalll cruetly

>>18799145
>As of today, though, there’s no evidence that Nietzsche’s horse ever actually existed, or that he really lived through such a scene. It’s curious (perhaps too much to be mere coincidence) that a similar scene appears between the pages of one of history’s most spectacular novels: Fyodor Dostoyevsky’s Crime and Punishment.
oh no anti-Nietzsche bros, we got too cocky...

>>18799192
They literally can't refute his philosophy, so they have to make up stories of his private life kek christcucks never stop to amaze me

>>18799192
> The only written record of the legendary day in June comes from the interview conducted by an anonymous journalist with Mr. Fino in 1900. Fino recalled that one day, walking along the Via Po (one of Turin’s primary streets), he’d witnessed a group of people surrounding two guards who’d arrested “the Professor.” The guards had found Nietzsche hugging the neck of a horse and refusing to let go. Fino quickly secured Nietzsche’s release but the story was only written down some 11 years after the events had taken place.

> From Nietzsche’s letters of the period, we know that he had several dreams of horses

>>18799206
yeah, looking for some petty facts from biography is pathetic enough, but inventing whole stories is on another level

>>18799206
>>18799223
Well, christcucks have always been admired by Nietzsche (Pascal, Dostoyevsky) and were the only ones who got Nietzsche right (Girard, Klossowski).

>>18799244
Ah forgot to add Napoleon to the ones admired

>>18799218
>> From Nietzsche’s letters of the period, we know that he had several dreams of horses
Probably most people had dreams about horses, they were pretty ubiquitous back then

>>18799145

>>18799255
>christians can't distinguish between love and sissifying mental breakdowns
Many such cases!

>>18799251
Never had dreams about cars and I even work with them

Reminder nietzscheans still can’t refute this: MUTTER ICH BIN DUMM.

>>18799218
Where are these letters? I've never seen any of them

>>18799270
You probably have, you just don't remember. But besides that, it would be interesting to know if the brain makes a difference between living and non-living things when it priorizes the content of dreams.

Is the Turin Horse a good movie?

>>18799306
if you want a sedative pseudo intellectual 5hrs nothing happens but muh cinnamon topography movie then its good

>>18799289
Well if I had recurrent dreams about anything I would certainly remember. I don’t dream about my gone pets so frequently. But yeah I thought about the distinction between animate and inanimate things, but as I said I have contact with cars everyday since I own a car related business. Regardless I think that information is pretty telling.

>>18799330
The film is great you pedestrian pseud

I want to believe in the horse story. There's too little humanity in this world to go on without, even if that means fabricating some.

>>18799362
There's a reason folk stories like this are created and gain popularity. It's the same as Aristotle letting a woman ride him; it's almost certainly not true, but it's a true tale. What could be more true than the philosopher of hierarchy and power falling mad, weeping, for a suffering horse?

>>18799362
I believe it as an allegory for N trying to stop a Platonist from abusing nature simply for not conforming to his delusions

>>18799400
>N
Reddit moment

>>18799394
No it is not the same. Aristotle’s tale were always known as a cautionary and ironic tale. None believed it truly happened. Nietzsche’s event is to this day regarded as a fact that happened.

>>18799422
>LEDDIT!!!!!

>>18799459
This is really secondary to what I was saying and it doesn't necessarily contradict what I said.

>>18799472
How does it not contradict? You said they were the same and they have nothing to do with each other.

>>18799460
>>LEDDIT!!!!!
Reddit moment

>>18799394
>letting a women ride him
I've literally never heard of this; what is it and where have you heard it?

>only christians may dislike the philosopher a certain german workers party treated as its god

>>18799394
>What could be more true than the philosopher of hierarchy and power falling mad, weeping, for a suffering horse?
Why was the horse suffering and on account of who? You've conveniently left this part out so as to make the story seem like it exposes Nietzsche for a fraud.

>>18799555
The horse was exhausted and the owner was beating it.

>>18799570
Right, and what do you think that means? Why would Nietzsche try to stop that?

>>18799572
>Why would Nietzsche try to stop that?
Because the horse was being brutally and pointlessly flogged? Do you need any other reason?

>>18799628
Do you think he stopped it out of compassion for the horse, or out of disgust towards the owner?

>>18799643
I think the former, since according to the story he whispered something to the horse. If he were moved by disgust toward the owner he'd have said something to him instead.

>>18799643
>or out of disgust towards the owner?
How is this even a theory? What a stupid interpretation.

>>18799761
>>18799781
Some versions of the story have him scold the owner though

>>18799518
He's referencing a mediæval story called Aristotle and Phyllis--look it up, it's hilarious!

>>18799866
I had no idea Aristotle was this based. I too desire to be a "philosopher"

Germans and horses don't mix.

In any case, I thought he had a meltdown over anti-Semitism, not horses.

>>18799866
kek

>>18800002
Imagine dedicating your whole life to an equestrian championship. And on the day of fate, the horse just says "lol no". Fucking based.

>>18800002
Kek, did you really think Nietzsche was a soiboy?

>>18800002
But what about the horse?

>>18800047
>cuck
>gay
>momma's boy
>asked girl to marry him day after meeting
>by letter delivered by friend
Sounds pretty soi to.me

>>18800047
From Wikipedia:
>I have had Caiaphas put in fetters. Also, last year I was crucified by the German doctors in a very drawn-out manner. Wilhelm, Bismarck, and all anti-Semites abolished.
>Additionally, he commanded the German emperor to go to Rome to be shot and summoned the European powers to take military action against Germany,[94] that the pope should be put in jail and that he, Nietzsche, created the world and was in the process of having all anti-Semites shot dead

I've never read Nietzsche, I just wanted to share the webm of the girl and the horse.

>>18799206
nietzsche doesn't have a philosophy he is a pathetic romantic

>>18800071
Yes he does, you just dont understand it. But it's okay, no need to be mad about it, bucko.

>>18800064
This doesn't mean he went insane because of antisemitism.

>>18799145
How is this story supposed to refute his morality tho? Nowhere does he say "have no compassion for anything"

>>18800045
the horse was clearly irritated by the patterns and symbols

>>18800087
>H-he's not retarded, he's just too smart for you to understand!!!!!

>>18800124
what did you read from him and what is your take on it?

>>18800127
there are no serious arguments on any actual philosophical topics in either beyond good and evil or thus spake zarathustra, he himself probably thinks of himself as more of a psychologist than a philosopher.

>>18800167
What about the problem of will, morality, the subject, motivation for truth and philosophizing, the concept of body, nihilism etc., he presents solid arguments on all of these topics that are more or less taken seriously by later philosophers and scholars. And they do look actual and interesting, productive to this day.

>>18800092
and the anon he responded to probably think not liking antisemitism is enough to make you a basedboy

>>18800099
It shows spiritual weakness

>>18800055
>my headcanon fits the bill so it's true

>>18800252
Nothing spiritually weak about crying for an abused animal.

>>18799192
interesting. likewise, i've seen it claimed that the historical evidence for patton shooting two mules on a bridge in sicily is tenuous and it's suspiciously similar to a scene in war and peace.

>>18799145
awoooooga

>>18800327
His philosophy is power but he cried

ah sweet another nietzsche thread

>>18800419
I don't see how such a thing is contradictory

>>18800855
Because it means he thinks some expressions of power are evil/bad/unjust, there to be done away with, which is contrary to his philosophy amoralistic power-expression.

>>18800870
No it means there's expressions of power he doesn't like and make him sad and if he could he would use his power to stop, that's perfectly in line with Neetch.

>>18800900
Cringe

>>18800956
Yeah Neechi is pretty cringe to begin with. Shoulda stuck to music.

>>18800419
Crying is an act of will to power. You'd know this if you weren't a retard who talked about philosophers you've never read.

>>18800977
I'm convinced nobody in history has ever read Neetch and we all just argue about what we imagine he probably wrote.

are you saying you wouldnt disregard the norms of social composure to empathise with a horse? literal bugman

>>18801050
Horsepilled
Exceptions to all ideologies must be made for horsies.

>>18800977
>Crying is an act of will to power
Yikes

lotta white women itt

>>18800977
Wouldn't crying be an act of the will to crying or sadness? If anything is the will to power then what does it matter? Resentment couldn't be wrong because it is also an act of the will to power. Even slave morality would be an act of the will to power. So you're just saying neet was a dumbass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKwwC1demNE

>>18801926
>If anything is the will to power then what does it matter?
Read Nietzsche

>>18802015
Why should I read someone so stupid and who lived the will to weakness?

>>18802023
You might learn something and stop spouting nonsense

>>18800977
>>18801926
>it's all just meaningless forces
NEETchud was just the first in a long line of pseuds who took their laymen misreading of science tropes and applied them to their pop philosophy (self help)

>>18802079
>meaningless
Wrong

>>18800977
He should have Started with the Greeks.

>>18801926
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1xZ84Ik69cs

>>18802100
Your feefees getting hurt isn't meaningful. And crying doesn't make you a great man. Literally every man and woman cries, but only the retards make a big drama about their personal tragedies

>>18802146
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>18802163
>real men are babies
>this is power
Wtf are you talking about?

>>18802251
>real men are babies
Who said anything like this? Stop posting, retard

>>18802286
Nietzsche said it

>>18799306
Yes, but I would recommend watching a few of his earlier films first

>>18799145
Is he the most overrated philosopher?

>>18802584
No, he's most under-rated philosopher.
>but anon, how is it possible that the world's most well known philosopher is also the world's most under-rated philosopher?
Because, he's just that good.

>>18802905
Cringe. Go back

any good horse or pony stories?

>>18802905
Based, stay here for as long as you like.

>>18803920
Samefag

>>18802584
No.

>>18799218
>>18799206
This. It is very likely that this is some made-up bogus, but no one ever questions it. He was an enemy of the Christian faith, after all. Rumours can be spread easily.

>>18804126
Samefag and instant reply. How life affirming

>>18800002
That's an Austrian right?

>>18801254
Far too many Marxists believe it is wrong to kill police horses.

>>18800002
Horses enjoy it.

>>18800194
>Me wantsa da truth n sheit, fuck faith n that! Me wants da truth and I don't care if it interferes with my attainment of happiness, integrity matters!
>Like, everything is just a will to power brother... *hits bong* Everything in life is striving for more and more power... Even plants *hits bong* I can't empirically prove it doe... You'll have to take my word for it bro.
Super profound.

>>18805232
What aphorism are you referring to?

>>18804130
That is not rumours, those are accounts of his state and we know his breakdown had an abrupt cause.

>>18807140
The horse story is from Crime and Punishment. There's no verifiable account of it ever happening. Of course, you can analyze the meaning of why people associated that story with Nietzsche, but it's not a historical account.

>>18799145
>t. child Raskolnikoff in his dream

IS...IS THAT A- A WHIP?! NOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT THE HECKING GOOD BOI HORSERINO! YOU CAN'T IMPOSE YOUR WILL TO POWER OVER AN ANIMAL!!
AAAAAAAAA I'M GOING INSANE HELP ME SCHOPENHAUER

Can anyone guess how a Christian would have responded?

>>18799145
I've never read Nietzsche, but how coincidental is it that both he and Raskolnikov experienced a horse being beaten and laid out a theory on the superman?

>>18808093
Given how common horses were in Europe at the time probably every person with a theory of the superman had seen a horse being beaten.

Can you eat horse meat? I just thought about that in the bathroom. What makes them different from cows?

>>18811052
It's supposedly similar to beef. The main reason it is frowned upon is because horses (along with dogs and cats) are generally more useful alive than as food.

>>18811350
How are cats useful?

>>18812397
>How are cats useful?
a cat is fine too.

>>18811350
>cheval
homme

I live in a very rural area and drive a lot for work. Sometimes I notice the horses doing weird things. I see them standing in a large circle with their young next to them and it looks like they're chatting just as humans would stand in a circle. They're based and Nietzsche did the right thing.

>>18812397
They get rid of pests.

>>18799145
>IS THAT A HECKING HORSE GETTING BEATEN? I AM GOING INSANE WAGNER HELP MEEEE!

>>18811052
Italians and other continentals eat horse meat and it's delicious, ignorant angloid

>>18799145
>BB-B-But Muh JEWS! MUH ANtisemitism REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he's just the opposite of average /pollit/ poster

>>18812613
kek

>>18812397
toxoplasmosis