/lit/ - Literature

Yeah, I’ve shared this sentiment on here before but I think he wrongly takes too many ideas as a priori, especially his Nietzschean ideas, I think many of his assertions amount to merely speculation, and the fact that he failed to do any sort of thorough work on Christianity and especially Orthodox Christianity is a monumental failure.

>>18796936
I also think he’s hypocritical at times.

Haha all the trannies exposed themselves with liking that contradicting ass review, bitch has clearly never read either and neither have half the Summerfags on this board rn

>>18796907
is that a trotsky quote

Not to mention that 100% of lefty antifa types haven't even read or they misunderstood (mostly due to their kike subversive professors at their artschool) Neitzsche all together. Neitzsche personal unpublished (until after his death) shows his beliefs in the unconscious metaphysical as a tribal awakening, similar beliefs as esoteric hitlerites and Evola Era occultist. It's only cringe because we now live in a post modern shithole and nothing is authentic anymore.

>>18796907
>reads literally one philosopher
>thinks everyone who doesn't like him just hasn't read him
You shouldn't be taken seriously

>>18796907
Cringe

>>18796936
>>18796956
>>18796967
based posts desu

I think Evola made some really good points and some bad points; he was rather hit or miss for me desu. He was certainly very interesting, there is no doubt about that.
However, in many of his pictures he looked sort of sinister and spooky. Do you anons get that sense from him? He looked like he emanated dark, evil power.

>>18797066
It’s intentional.

>>18796907
the problem is in the paganism, not the racism.

Do you think Evola would listen to Burzum if he were alive today?

Was Evola's racism considered edgy even back then, or was that just normal for his time?

>>18797138
He would have been a myspace mall goth. I need to get on twitter i hope mall goth evola isn't taken

>>18797148
I don't really follow trends/scenes or whatever that much, but isn't the modern goth scene known for being sort of racist and right wing or something?
I am not saying that as a bad thing at all. I'm just wondering and if it's true it's funny because Evola really would fit right in.

>>18797170
If you're talking about packs of white suburban kids hanging out at pre-retail apocalypse malls around y2k, which I am, I suppose today that would be interpreted as structurally racist

>>18797138
He probably wouldn’t be alive today.

>>18797177
But I said if he were alive today, so your post is a nonsequitur desu

Evola was exposed as a pseud fraud in his lifetime, why people still read him today instead of the people he blatantly plagiarized is a mystery to me

I got into Evola less for the meme of "le fascist intellectual" and more because I was interested in Perennialism, and I read Guenon before I read Evola. He most certainly had views of race that would be considered "non egalitarian" but he isn't some 1488 groyper tard, and most of his work isn't that race focused. Even his use of the term "Aryan" is more nuanced than le master race fantasy.

He is bad on Christianity as >>18796936 said, but not so bad that his work is unreadable for me. I think >>18797066 summarizes my feelings -- fucking on point about many things,, clearly wrong on others. Definitely takes a lot of things as given instead of proving them, but so did Guenon.

Back when alt right guys were starting to find Evola I was wondered what that was about -- then after reading him I'm convinced that many of them either didn't actually read him or didn't understand him (not that I really do either I guess). I think he's good for an interesting perspective on history, and for getting you into the space of mind of non modern people (similar to reading Eliade). Definitely worth reading I think.

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>>18797191
Why are you so salty that far-right theorists don't like Christianity? Christianity doesn't really lend itself to that kind of politics unless it is already downstream of a state enforcing such positions. In all other cases Christianity easily becomes the vanguard of social leveling and egalitarian thought, reserving hierarchy and discrimination as tools against the heathen and heretic.

>>18797220
I'm >>18797191 and I wouldn't say I'm salty. My point was that Evola didn't seem to give Christianity the analysis that it's due (mostly focused on the grail myth, which is fascinating but not encompassing of the religion).

I agree there's a disconnect between far right politics and Christianity, but again, I don't read Evola for his right wing views, don't care about "right wing theory", and think Christianity is a valid spiritual tradition.

>>18797220
>In all other cases Christianity easily becomes the vanguard of social leveling and egalitarian thought
It was never like this until Protestantism began.
I am not a Roman Catholic either but the point remains that Christianity was never a liberal sissy nancy boy religion until the Protestant, and later Enlightenment mentality took over.

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>>18797237
Also, Father Seraphim Rose addresses this. One of the things that turned him away from American Protestantism was the soft, milquetoast, effeminate mindset of it. He searched for a more manly, traditional spirituality, and went through various phases of atheism, Neitzche, Geunon, and so on, before finally discovering the Orthodox Church.

>>18796907
His views on marriage being a pointless bourgeois endeavor is mind boggling to me, considering that the greatest conquerors and spiritual leaders in history and myth had wives.

>>18797191
Yeah I don't think Evola is the final red pill but I think he can be a really good introduction to get your mind out of the modernist, materialist paradigm and learn to see things from a more traditionalist, anti-Enlightenment perspective. But yes he was not perfect and he had some ridiculous thoughts like >>18797261
said but he definitely was overall a smart and interesting thinker.

>>18797235
“Unitive Knowledge of the Godhead” from this album is a great song

>>18796989
Which of his books did you read?

>>18796907
Why do people who think racism and fascism are virtuous constantly try to deny that they are racist and fascist?

>>18797235
mighty good album, that one. i hope we hear more from those two guys soon.

>>18797235
Fair enough. I think he is too eclectic to be systematized anyway, but obviously most people try to get a program out of him. I believe his final word on the matter was being apolitical.
>>18797237
Cope and seethe. It was basically an anti-pharisee religious anarchism with a millenarian twist of the world's end being imminent, people would martyr themselves because they were promised immortality if they went along with it. The Romans domesticate it once it takes over the the servile and military classes, thence it becomes an important part of the state. And if you think Protestants are soft read about the Thirty Years War. Or Ireland. There's no getting away from what Christianity is in the long run (alwaus returns to its roots like anything else) but it does have moments of profound ferocity that make Islam look like a housecat.
>>18797248
Yes you people mention him a lot. I always found it odd that you've go t tradlarpers mixing their perennialism with Orthodoxy, which was remarkably irrelevant in the modern world as the world's largest orthodox country became marxist. I guess there is something of a revival and westerners might find it attractive as an exotic almost pre-modern version of Christianity that they can in a sense return to since the western branches are all moribund.

>>18797333
I read his major works some years ago. I would encourage people who give a shit to study actual systems like Vedanta or Buddhism or Hermeticism or Neoplatonism rather than relying on Evola, who is more in the "tradition" of theosophy than anything else. It is an entirely modern hodgepodge. I will say that his bibliography was usually quite good, though he is definitely a hammer and nail kind of writer.

I just want everyone to know that he literally performed Satanic sex magic rituals regularly with Maria de Naglowska, which involved autoerotique asphyxiation with a noose, and formed a secret society of occultists called the UR group that attempted to summon an egregore that would control the political psychology of Italy and restore a Pagan Imperialism to Italy "Pagan Imperialism" being the first book he wrote.

If you're Christian you cannot like Evola

>>18797370
if anything it makes for good anectodes. still doesn't nullify many of the important sociological points he makes. learn how to filter information, brother.

>>18797370
True desu
Also, in a way, perennialists are ALMOST right, except they have it sort of backwards. It's not that all the world religions came from some secret ancient tradition and we just have to find the common truths in all of them. But rather, all the various world religions are distortions of the one true religion, that is, the Orthodox Church. From the time of Adam to now, the truth was always Orthodoxy.

>>18796907
Evola is fantastic for providing the most extreme anti-thesis to modern society that you can possibly find. When I read him in 2017 it was a massive eye-opener on things I had never thought twice about

That being said, he's a sperged out hypocritical rage poster who was laughed at in his own time. He has Christ derangement syndrome to the point that he compromised his own intellectual project and really makes you wonder what his actual aims were (who was paying him exactly?).

Much of his stuff is also just incorrect about history and misunderstandings of other philosophers. His fetishism of war is childish (although interesting critiques of industrial war vs. pre-industrial war), and he also sacrifices an actual understanding of religion for religion being a Platonic tool of politics. Quite degenerate and bourgeoise in itself, ironically.

>>18797409
Both are equally dumb unfounded dogmatic assertions made by spiritual materialists

>>18797449
Explain yourself.

>>18797399
>>18797409
Are you two retarded? You actually claim to be Christian's and identity with the works of a satanic occultist? You literally have no shame or understanding of what hypocrisy is in any degree whatsoever

>>18797449
Orthodoxy is not materialist nor is it gnostic.

>>18797445
Go worship in a synagogue then if you love Yeshua so much

>>18797478
go join the CIA if you love occultist LARPs so much

>>18797473
Who are you talking to? Are you talking to me, anon? Did you read my post at all???
I explained how perrenialists are WRONG. I showed how I understand their thinking but explained what they got wrong.
Now settle down, anon!

>>18796907
His work lacks substance. Its just very shallow garbage loaded with pseudo mysticism as a facade for depth

>>18797473
Satanism is clearly not compatible with Christianity at all, but at the same time, however, this is an awful post taking everything said out of context and I am not a fan of this post at all to be quite frank with you

>>18797484
You're still coping extremely hard and decisionally that christ has anything to do with this ideology and belief system. Evola literally performed satanic sex magic rituals to reject Christ and the holy spirit from his soul spiritually in the 30s with Naglowska

>>18797498
When did I approve of such sickening things???
Stop trying to start arguments for no reason.

>>18797191
The only thing i could really take away from his work is that there is a caste system and focusing like a laser on biological race is autism. I prefered Spengler and Yokey.

>>18797498
Who said that Christianity approves of Evola?? Who said it
where
show me the post

>>18797497
You're just a backwards empty man grabbing at desperate failed ideologies to fill the void in his soul. You couldnt even realize you were hypocritically mashing together the works of a satanist and the concepts of Christianity that didnt even make sense

>>18797456
It's just a modernized form of the mosaic distinction. (Read the Assmann, egyptologist Jan Assmann). Not only do you have the only real religion, but it's also the only religion there's ever been. And this is particularly bizarre in relation to Orthodox Christianity since it relies on a specific sequence of historical events in Roman Palestine in order to exist, yet religions obviously existed before its own formation (unless of course you arbitarily declare everyone else's gods before and after to be fake or incomplete).
>>18797475
Your claim to have the only true religion that has ever existed and has been true for all time is an aggrandizing larp in place of genuine spirituality

>>18797511
Why do you keep making false accusations? What are you trying to gain from this?
I never said anything about approving of satanism. I explained how satanism is wrong.

>>18797370
Okay but autoerotic asphyxiation is hot

>>18797512
>Your claim to have the only true religion that has ever existed and has been true for all time is an aggrandizing larp in place of genuine spirituality
NO! Quite the opposite. Never trust these new agey, wishy washy interpretations of spirituality that claim all religions are just different paths to the same God and that all of them are right as long you are a good person. That is a satanic lie.

>>18797502
Tell me why you excuse Evola performing satanic sex magic rituals with Naglowska where they hung each other with nooses to near death and then fucked each other in front of a crowd of people with the intention of manifesting a spiritual entity from their sex energy while you at the same time claim to be a Christian. Because that's what Evola did his whole life. He was a Satanic occultist that wanted to summon demons with sex magic rituals. Do you understand that?

>>18797531
I DON'T MAKE EXCUSES FOR THOSE THINGS. WHY DO YOU KEEP SAYING THIS? I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THOSE THINGS WERE EVIL.
Now YOU tell ME why you keep lying.
You realize the posts are all here and we can all see for ourselves that you are lying.

>>18797516
It's just bizarre how you love and idolize a satanist while claiming to be a Christian

>>18797540
>idolize a satanist
?????????????????????????????

>>18797531
>>18797540
is this anon trolling

>>18797537
You clearly knew nothing about Evolas actual life or what he did with it. You probably didnt even read anything he wrote, you just saw memes about his ideas of "tradition" and hating the modern world lmao

>>18797555
This discussion is worthless now. You only wish to create discord and anger. I know that Evola was evil and did evil occult practices and even approved of the satanist Aliester Crowley. I already know how bad these people were.

>>18797545
Evola, the man who formed an occult secret society in Italy, the UR Group to manifest an Egregore that would take control of the political psychology of Italy in order to restore a Pagan Imperialism.

>>18797553
No

>>18797564
Why do you worship them and identify with their cause then?

>>18797565
You are trying to have some sort of epic "HAHA GOTCHA" moment where you catch someone in a lie or something but I never approved of Evola's occult practices in the first place and in fact stated quite the opposite.

>>18797568
I don't and never claimed to! I talked about what they got wrong!

>>18797478
Jews don't worship God. They worship Satan. The synagogue of Satan they are called for a reason

>>18797540
you are an idiot and no one, anywhere should ever take you seriously

>>18797576
You literally cannot identify or support any aspect of anything he wrote at any point in his entire life then, as it is all entirely rooted in vehemently anti Christian occultism. Unless you are willing to entirely reject Chrsit from your soul you cannot take in Evolas writing without being an actual ignorant retard simpleton who likes the word tradition. I truly dont think you've actually read anything he actually wrote, let alone the actual deeper writings about his occult activities. The man was a literal demon conjurer.

>>18797585
What did he get wrong?

>>18797611
What are you trying to prove here?
Who do you think you are fooling?

>>18797598
Jesus worshipped and preached in synagogues because he was a Rabbi and was claiming to be the King of Isreal. Tell me, why would God pick Jersusalem as the seat of his Kingdom on earth?

>>18797611
>>18797568
>>18797555
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>>18797531
Even by /lit/ standards these posts are very low IQ desu

>>18797615
I've actually read Evola, you haven't. I'm a Gnostic Luciferian so I understand his writings. You're a fucking bizarrely confused man who accepts wildly contradictory ideologies into his mind without question because you're a simp vessel for other peoples beliefs that sound good to you. You without question idolized a satanist as a hero of traditional christianity without ever actually bothering to read any of the information and basing it all on memes and infographics

>>18797630
Refute them in full detail, they're all mine

>>18797639
>I'm a Gnostic Luciferian
This explains why you have your attitude. The attitude of the accuser.

>>18797625

>>18797639
>I'm a Gnostic Luciferian

>>18797639
>You without question idolized a satanist as a hero of traditional christianity
If you are such an expert on Evola then why do you seem to have him confused with Father Seraphim Rose, the person who I actually said was a traditional Christian and was in many ways the antithesis of Evola????

>>18797664
He's either trolling or possesed by some unclean spirit causing him to make these posts. (probably a mix of both)

>>18797671
>when you're shitposting with demons

>>18797473
I can like some bits you damn idiot. You are basically saying Plato can't be read by christians

>>18797656
What religion did Jesus practice?

>>18797663
What exactly do you think Evola believed in?

>>18797677
What "bits" do you like from the satanic occultist Evola?

>>18797664
>>18797671
Why do you people actually believe that anyone who doesnt agree with your bizarre hypocritical contradictory beliefs HAS to be some kind of outside agent brainwashed to be against you?

>>18797694
I'll ask this one to he easier, what nation and what city did Jesus come to proclaim himself King of?

great. this thread got completely derailed.

>>18797729
This a a thread about a man who self identified as an Aryanist and supra-fascist, who worked for the intelligence agencies of Mussolini and Hitler, arguing that he neither was racist or a fascist.

>>18797335
I deny the premise behind your accusations wholesale. I don’t have to answer to accusations and neither does Evola. Prove his philosophy to be unsound and I’ll happily look down my nose at him, just as I do you.

>>18797753
I like his philosophy, I identify with it a great deal. It wholesale rejects Christianity and Christian morality. He in his own words claims to be a Supra-Fascist, which if you've read his works I dont need to explain to you what that means. He is also an Aryanist, which I also dont need to explain to you if you even have a small inkling of chapter of reading his works. How can you dent what Evola actually is if you've read him?

>>18797722
Christ did not proclaim himself to be a wordly king of any nation state or city. In fact, he evaded multiple attempts of the Jews to install him precisely as such a king.

>>18797765
>It wholesale rejects Christianity and Christian morality.
Why do you pick death over life?

>>18797798
Yeah just the King of Israel, the Kingdom of God. Why did God pick that place?

>>18797729
so they are bumping it, just ignore it

>>18797827
Ride the Tiger is quite literally about accepting death

>>18797837
Keep running from me while I actually give you the truth that contradicts your meme propaganda. You honestly think you arent exposed to propaganda and indoctrination lmao

>>18797838
That is what I ask. Why do you chase death so much when Christ offers you life?

>>18797890
>Dude, hes totally coming back, this time for real guys, just two more centuries!

>>18797838
Accepting death is a precondition to being able to read and properly understand Ride the Tiger. Evola did not write that book to help people with their existential crises. He says it explicitly, that it's for the "differentiated man" who is already naturally beyond that stage.

>>18797924
He wrote it after he was crippled from the waist down and in a wheelchair and preparing to die after everything he believed in disintegrated around him. You shouldn't be reading and identifying with the works of a nihilistic cripple who wants to die as a healthy young man

>>18796907
Looks like fag needed le "establishment" to validated his entire existence. What a fucking slave.

>>18797946
I'd prefer to identify with someone who lives every moment like it's the last than lukewarm, crypto-nihilist Christians who spend their entire lives trying to pretend death doesn't exist through bland surrogate activities. (actually, this applies to most atheists as well). The most supreme, and most worthwhile, life is the life which willingly skirts the border of death without falling over it in order to test itself. A single moment can be worth an entire lifetime of lukewarm surrogacy, which is a concept that sounds totally foreign to moderns and other genuine nihilists.

>>18798006
You basically just said YOLO to me faggot

>>18798006
Don't know about le moderns but philosophical pessimists meditate on death.

>>18798019
No
>>18798023
Meditation on death is the stage before you realize that death itself is nothing in every sense of the word, and thus not even an important question (the people who obsess about what comes after death are included).

>>18798085
Death itself is nothing but the build up towards it something. That's what we try to delude by taking part in surrogate activities because without humans would go mad and kill themselves if they only cared about basic survival needs such as eating, fucking and sleeping.

>>18798103
>Death itself is nothing but
No buts.

>>18798109
Make this statement when you will be 70 years old and shitting your guts out down in the loo.

>>18797335
You will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.

All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.

Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound.

>>18796907
Evola was a stinky orientalist, and an stranger (he was Italian).

>>18797145
>Evola's racism
He was literally an Italian you moron.

>>18797335
>racist and fascist
Facists were Italians you stupid retard. You can't be racist and facist, it's impossible.

>>18797845
are you legit mentally retarded? what in the fuck are you talking about schizo?

>>18797370
>If you're Christian you cannot like Evola
Evola was an oriantalist, just like Christians.
Same shit.

>>18797497
>Satanism is clearly not compatible with Christianity at all
Only Christians care about Satan you absolute retard.

>>18797540
Only Christians care about Satan.

>>18798144
this dude is on /his/ going full schizo also. Probably an escapee from /x/

>>18798133
>>18798141
if there is someone with a darker skin colour than you, racism is possible

>>18797639
>I've actually read Evola
Imagine the camel piss smell.

>>18798167
>anyone can be a unicorn, it's possible because blah blah relativism
okay creep

I have read Revolt and Ride and I unironcally consider Evola as the inadvertent founder of Christian Science. His ideas about sympathetic resonance being used as a means to transport the knowledge of dead Hyperboreans to a plane above the mere Nous is oddly is line with many Christian Scientists ideas about experiencing the perpetual mercy of Christ in a similar way.