/lit/ - Literature

>>18774723
Maybe it’s because of his multiple conferences?

>>18774740
See, the fact it has words in it is filtering people.

>>18774723
Peterson is a quack pseud, rather than a hack or fraud (since he is painfully sincere). I say that as someone with NO politically motivated grievances. He's just some psychoanalytic-Jungian freak. It's bizarre that he even became some kind of culture warrior in the first place. It's like if a chiropractor became the leader of a political movement or something.

>>18774760
If this isn't a troll post, which it looks to be, could you explain the setence?

It is an incredibly simple and obvious statement that doesn't even hold any meaning if you aren't the specific sort of retard with retarded ideas that he is selling the book to (you).

>>18774796
Not him but I think the same thing, he's a neurotic, depressed faggot who got really into some useless memes from psychology and history and applies them to everything in the world, because he is unable to see that they have almost no influence out of academia. Also he claimed a glass of cider made him stay awake for 25 days straight.

>>18774723
So can people say he's a hack/fraud because they've seen his debate with Zizek? Not that I have though.

>>18774796
What is there to explain? It is self-explanatory. It is presumably axiomatic, part of a broader sentence, laying the ground for some other, more incisive observation.

>>18774723
irl ned pointsman lmao

>>18774828
Incorrect.

>>18774819
>Also he claimed a glass of cider made him stay awake for 25 days straight.
Haha what the fuck, is he Ned Flanders?

>>18774852
https://youtu.be/sPof3taFRto

>>18774845
We already knew you were a moron who can't understand basic concepts and need them spoonfed to you, you like Jordan Peterson.

I'm willing to bet OP is having an emotional meltdown over this and/or bitching about it on some subreddit.

>>18774946
That is also an incorrect interpretation.

This is very embarrassing for you.

>>18775142
This is weak bait, you are a faggot.

>>18775203
Are you going to explain it or just keep dodging the fact you're stupid?

>>18774723
Based....... If only people would read the book instead of charge they phone...

>>18775354
I didn't even make the post but I already explained it, you just can't handle anything more complicated than "clean your room" so you ignored it lol

>>18775354
he used the word "can" and there is no reason to respond to a non-committal bitch like that
Peterson's feminine spirit is simply too dominant within him to give his work any credit

>>18775453
The spirit is not feminine. Your metamythological education is pitiful.

>>18774760
Very valid take

>>18775488
Wrong, Peterson's spirit is very feminine
See: his natural submissiveness to a Masculine spirit like Zizek
You do know his whole anti pronoun shtick was him projecting because he wants to be a femboy?
The subtext is all there in his works

>>18775453
>he used the word "can"
Good point, saying that "X could be seen as Y" is a totally useless statement. Anyone who knows anything about philosophy knows that you 'can' see things however you want, the question is whether or not you are right.

ahhh I fondly remember all the peterstein shitposting that went on in his heyday
the man is truly irrelevant now, so much exposure he nearly died

>>18775536
The thing that makes these discussions so retarded is they demand that you "refute" his asinine advice, when obviously we aren't trying to say cleaning your room is a bad thing. He's just a neurotic retard who has gotten all the credit for saying obvious things everyone has already been told a million times, on top of a bunch of nonsense.

>>18775511
You are perhaps projecting your own shadow (a jungian term, you have likely not comprehended) onto peterson.

Many such cases.

>>18774797
American pragmatism constructed by writers such as William James, Dewey and Sanders Pierce is retarded?

>>18774760
>It's bizarre that he even became some kind of culture warrior in the first place.
He is really skilled at talking, but i agree jungian-chomsky-entrypsychology pseud.

>>18775618
So, who is bigger brained than Jung?

>>18774823
At some point he spouted bs about marx, and a post-modern guy. Zizek exposed lowkey that he was talking bs. Plus he couldnt mention one name as an example of his so called "neo marxists" enemies.

>>18775624
The greeks, kant and hegel shit on jung. Jung was a smart guy that rebelled against his dad freud and took too much drugs.

>>18775641
Part of the problem in identifying people and categorizing them is that they have the ability to rationalize why they aren't that thing.

If I say "check out that commie faggot" and you respond back with a 30 page diatribe against my labeling, and proclaim that you are in fact not a communist or a faggot even though you suck dicks and subscribe to the tenets of Marxist communism ... well, then, we have something of an issue.

Same is true of post-modern neomarxists. He's explained what they are, and how any attempt to categorize them is met with preordained sophistic responses meant to diffuse the attack, many times - his refusal to be baited into that game was a calculated move.

Ask a commie post modern faggot if they're a commie post modern faggot and they'll say no, because they're a commie post modern faggot.

>>18775672
>Hegel
Sir, please leave the thread before I report you for underage.

>>18774723
you don't have to read his works, you can gleam his attitude and a basic understanding of some of his beliefs by his many public appearances.
if you want to be a stoic individualist jackass, go reread stirner, plato, and tao te ching.
peterson is more of a political commentator than a philosopher.

>>18775698
And have you read his book maps of meaning?

>no response or answers now
Lol

>>18775685
Cringe, you don't even have to be a leftoid to find Peterson's categorisations specious. It's more like if you were shitting on Catholicism but really your criticisms were directed at Islam, and when people tried to explain the difference between the two you would say, well well, that's just what a Muslim would say..

>>18775575
You can't read, that's the opposite of what I was saying.

>>18775737
Post modern neomarxist faggot hands typed this post.

>>18775689
>Hegel for underage
Yeah go gift some kid phenomenology of spirit. I am sure he can get through it in no time. Took me well into my mid twenties till i could finally tackle it.

>>18775740
So you were saying that you are retarded?

>>18775748
Bragging about your educational destitution is banal, anon.

>>18775734
if i say yes, you will only say
>now read this other work before TRULY understanding this one true scot
you fucking communist, go read all of marxs works before having a single comment on him.

Well, not a single person could interpret his exceedingly simple statement correctly.

Truly, this board is dead.

>>18775685
Well the thing is zizek exposed him for not understanding some of foucalt and other post modern shit. So that automatically shreds any authenticity to the labelling he is imposing on these so called post-modern neo marxists. Since he doesnt even understand (more probably hasnt even read) the work of the most influential post modern writers.

Peterson is not a bad guy, but a lot of what he is spouting is just a meme. Restating some of the stuff that chomsky and other people from the 60s and 70s counter culture movement were saying. And incorporating some jung and modern psychology/psychometry literature.

>>18774760
>I say that as someone with NO politically motivated grievances
:/

>>18775780
I have, faggot.

You're stating it as if it's equivalent to the cleaning of the augean stables for a man to read the entirety of an authors work BEFORE formulating an opinion on it.

How fucking retarded are you? No, you're not supposed to preconceive notions before you've encountered the work, you absolute peon.

You'll speak when spoken to.

>>18775794
>DOOOOOD THE WORLD IS LIKE A PLACE FOR HUMAN ACTION AND IT HAS THINGS DOOOOD DESIRE, DETERMINISM, LOGICAL AGENTS, AND NATURAL LAW

>>18775756
You are the only one bragging. Implying that you could read the book and understand it on a sufficient level when you were underage.

>>18775795
I don't understand the entirety of mathematics but I know 1+1 doesn't equal the batman symbol.

His "gotcha" moments weren't even semantic in nature.

>>18775820
>No, you're not supposed to preconceive notions before you've encountered the work
humanly impossible you absolute retard
>"NOOOOOO STOP HAVING OPINIONS"
follow your leader into a benzo meat coma and clean your internal room.

>>18775832
You've simply reformulated the statement and added additional superfluous associations of an irrational nature.

Many such cases.

>>18774723
He's too utilitarian and too objectivist. While being very verbose and definitely not a paragon of a man, he works for everyone to achieve the better they can. We can't have any of that, of course, thus his transformation into the target of lefties vitriol everywhere in the world.

>>18775851
>humanly impossible you absolute retard
It's humanly impossible to reserve your opinion in a public forum until after you've read the entirety of an authors work?

I guess I'm superhuman then, damn. No wonder my dick is so big.

>>18775856
you can apply that to any interpretation. every single interpretation is an expanded reformulation with closer to layman's wording.
saying the world is composed of human action and objects is babbys first introspective thought.

>>18775865
i forgot notions were equivalent to stated opinions.
i will state my preconceived notions and you will like it.
what has peterson done that is in any way profound? commented on a vague group of people tied together by vague beliefs?

>>18775870
Your reformulated version is retarded and you should feel retarded for being a retard.

It's why no one will read your work (that you haven't written) once you die - because you are stupider than Jordan Peterson.

>>18775935
He elucidated the metamythological substructure of the process which generates new culturally instantiated patterns of behavior, and synchronously updates the methodologies used to generate the process itself through schematic representation and diagram in a novel and very useful fashion.

>>18775890
>>18775944
Meant for

>>18775524
>X could be seen as Y
Judith Butler has spent her entire career doing this.
>if X is a possibility, does that mean we can view Y as a potential medium for Z? And can we be sure if Z is A or B if C involves transference from D?

>>18775955
>validly construed
Is not the same as
>construed
Learn to read

>>18775944
>maps of meaning

>>18775971
That doesn't look like an Euler diagram to me, anon.

Find me a way identical to petersons, with an identical subject matter.

>>18775963
Learn to reply to the right person you dumbass
Though Peterson's use of adverbs is a telltale sign of his brainletism

>>18775978

>>18775983
I did reply to the right person you're just such a brainlet that you couldn't validly construe my post.

>>18775988
Once again, that doesn't look like an Eurler diagram to me.

>>18775994
because you aren't validly construing it

>>18775990
You aren't smart enough to use adverbs anon. I'd stop, unless you don't mind looking stupid, in which case actively continue

>>18775971
That's Lacan's, not Peterson's. On a related note I find it funny how people post Peterson's maps as though it's not a trend with the psychoanalysts to include schizo diagrams. Pic related is from Jung's Aion

>>18775999
So your claim is that this is a Eller diagram?

>>18776012
yes, it is indeed an "Eller" diagram because i say it is. i have validly construed it.

>>18776010
One more for the road, the progenitor of the entire schizological edifice of depth psychology; Freud's tripartite psyche.

>>18776043
Are you posting these as an attempt at embarrassing anyone who utilizes diagrams for schematic representation?

You are not posting petersons, which is very telling. Allow me to post one.

I've read 12 Rules for Life. I outgrew him after I realized he had basically nothing to say and only existed to whine about his perceived other side. He is shackled to his enemy.

>>18776100
Are you unshackled from your enemy?

>>18776070
No. If nothing else the presence of psychoanalytic diagrams should testify to their usefulness in the discipline. And I personally find them kino, similarly to the way Böhme's art is.

>>18775751
I'm saying you can't read

>>18776070
what a great diagram detailing concepts not already covered by the determinists

>>18776100
But that isn't even his good book.

>>18776070
Dunno why he gets so much hate. Reading his book made it easier to understand boomers in general, people like my parents and uncles.

>>18776129
>Dunno why he gets so much hate.
A string of bad life decisions. Should've stuck to reforming academia from the inside instead of becoming a public spokesperson and gaining a diehard fanbase who literally hasn't read his theory and are only in it for the thrill of opposing supposed evil.

>>18776105
No, because I'm not 24/7 crying about what other people think. If anything, my enemy is myself, which is a far more worthwhile endeavor.

>>18776115
Rad, I agree wholeheartedly.

>>18776176
Are you implying that peterson does not believe he himself is an enemy?

>>18774723
You realize this thread is going to do nothing more than attract the exact type of emotionally stunted philistines who haven't read his works, refuse to, and believe they understand everything about him because they learned from secondhand propaganda distributed to them online, right?
>oh my god i saw this picture of his messy room! he's supposed to be a self-help guy, right?
or
>aaaa juden peterstein!! he isn't wearing a nazi armband and leading a march on Poland RIGHT NOW so I hate him!

I'm glad I read his books, they're fantastic and nothing like what the midwiterati think they must be. It's an astonishing duality that he's a very accessible author yet still beyond the grasp of the average 4channer, and one can see why by his very works. And to seal the deal it's an even more amazing irony that he's also one of the few intellectual figures who's capable of seeing 4chan as a complex, unique, and fascinating forum for expression fullfiling a very urgent demand in the world.

I don't expect everyone in the world to like Jordan Peterson. But I think he's the perfect litmus test for whether a person is capable of thinking for themselves, or if they'll forever be a slave submitting themselves to propaganda and groupthink.

>>18776209
>midwitterati
Gave me a sensible chuckle, I'm stealing that.

>>18776209
>he's also one of the few intellectual figures who's capable of seeing 4chan as a complex, unique, and fascinating forum for expression fullfiling a very urgent demand in the world
Cheers. I really enjoy this facet of him as well, he isn't willing to generalize fraternistic culture. His talk on the metaphysics of pepe was amusing, too, seeing him deal with the whole synchronistic aftermath of the 2016 election. I'd hesitate in using him as a finalized limus test, though.

>>18776196
I'm implying that Peterson spends an inordinate amount of his time preaching about boogeymen for his easily swayed fan base of disillusioned youth so that he may foster in himself some sort of moral argument for his existence, which is really only there to shield against himself in the first place. Jordan knows of the demons of people not because he studied Jung or because he read The Gulag Archipelago, but because he feels them in him.

>>18776164
He would probably end up losing his job and being forgotten by everyone, coping with benzos and his family would probably end up abandoning him. He probably also feels like getting into politics, I don't know, but he probably made the right choices.

>>18776242
The first half of your post and the last half are at odds with one another.

>>18776258
No.

>>18774760
As a Jungian, leave us out of it please

It's Jung that people dismiss without any basis except that it sounds weird from a distance and that the psychology community (a bunch of people who don't know anything about Jung) tells you to.

Peterson doesn't represent Jung. No one represents Jung as far as public intellectuals go, he's just gone out of style in recent times. Pyschology just wants respect and is afraid Jung makes them look bad

>>18776244
Idk. I'm rather disappointed he hasn't engaged a thinker of his calibre at the level of theory, after being in his business for so long. I'd like to see him read and write letters to Chomsky, treat Derrida and Foucault seriously by writing a book on them instead of concluding that public dismissal and moralization is all that it takes. He has some generalized takes regarding these thinkers that may well be well reasoned (and I've found a lot of them are, even with the elbow grease involved in reading Derrida faithfully) but that doesn't show and in the end stunts his logical and rhetorical prowess.

>>18774723
>validly construed

He's a moron. Validly is an adverb not a fucking adjective. Surprising lack of fastidiousness for such a preening poseur as Peterson.

>>18776209
peterson is a perfect indicator of someone that only reads contemporary drivel in response to hatred (such blindness in this that they do not see themselves as hating anything but only attempting to diminish it in love of something else) of something that they (commonly falsely) view as popular shadow demons destroying what they love.
peterson is a modern montaigne but less of a druggie degenerate.

he's just a great persuader, from what I've heard him say. never read maps of meaning but it seems interesting. 12 rules is trash

>>18776319
>peterson is a modern montaigne
peterson would probably call montaigne a heckin postmodernist