/lit/ - Literature

Not really true. Novelists serve the same purpose for many people today.

>>18758920
Frogman isnt a created diety?
>has historical significance dating back to ancient egypt
>has a clear metaphorical representation. Chaos
>is distinct
>is memorable (a meem)

>>18758920
Embrace the New Age, anon; quantum-shamanic-Hindu psychedelia will save the world.

>>18758943
Holy shit, shut up. Absurd aesthete.

>>18758957
You have a pre-Romantic understanding of sociology.

>>18758961
Thank you

>>18758943
they don't nobody fucking worships novelists

>>18758945
it doesn't have an active worship and it's obviously intented as a meme not a genuine worldview

>>18758920
The new god is social justice. It’s really easy to see how wokeness has rapidly become the new sort of religious trajectory of modern culture, where any non adherence to woke culture gets you ostracized, fired, humiliated and in some cases even physically threatened.

>>18758951
>we are all god in the quantum singularity pee poo
no thanks, we need a better narrative to keep goin as a civilization

>>18758968
People all throughout the Western public education system worship novelists.

>>18758920
>we still haven't made new gods in two centuries
Anon, you've been in a coma. We worship niggers now.

>>18758978
It's a fun narrative; I think it's got legs. Quantum Brahman is the new Cosmic Christ

>>18758920
We did make new gods, we just don’t call them that
E-thots, celebrities, 2D waifus

>>18758979
Redditor understanding of the concept of worship

>>18758977
>social justice/wokeness
Top down 100% Marxism/Egalitarianism*

Ftfy

>>18758998
Redditor understanding of novels and their modern treatment.

>>18759005
>Marxism/Egalitarianism
Not the same thing. Marx was not an egalitarian.

>>18759010
Redditor understanding of my knowledge of novels and their modern treatment

>>18758920
“Nietzsche is dead”
-God

>>18759016
"God and Nietzsche are dead."
-Simulation Operator

Qanon is one of the largest new religious movements. It’s still in its early days so there isn’t like an orthodoxy yet and lots of variation in terms of beliefs but they all seem to worship Donald Trump by imbibing in him divine, messianic powers that sometimes does and sometimes does not graft on to Christian eschatology. If Mormonism is considered a religious movement then Qanon is for sure a religion

>>18759014
So in what way are novels and their modern treatment (particularly in the Western education system) not a form of worship?

>>18758979
not literally

>>18759026
Yes it is, but it's merely a minor cult in comparison to Niggerism, the dominant religion. Insult Qanon and you'll get a promotion, insult Niggerism and you won't be able to use a bank.

>>18759016
one of those two actually existed

>>18759031
The category of the sacred doesn't just mean "whatever a society values and expends effort on appreciating", you dumb atheist. Gods are psychic idols constructed to humanise reality - they are explicitly METAPHYSICAL - and worship is the affective practices associated with them. It's not a catch-all term for similar phenomena.

>>18759036
They will never admit this lel

>>18759045
Yea, God. Nietzsche is a psyop to out enemies of the state.

>>18759035
Sure they do. And I didn't mean everyone, mind you, just lots of people throughout the system.

Many novels are taught and studied like they were scripture containing absolute truths about modern cultures and peoples. Tons of students grow up viewing the greatest novels as masterworks of culture and guides towards a more refined moral system. If you don't understand what I'm talking about then you evidently had a paltry / non-Western education.

>>18759059
>novels are taught and studied like they were scripture containing absolute truths about modern cultures and peoples
The important word is "like"; don't get so caught up in your analogy that you confuse this for actual worship and mistakenly think you're making an insightful point. People have always used culture to give meaning to their lives; it's a childish thing to do to call this "worship" like you're making some edgy point. Grow up, Dawkins.

>>18759045
Although I tend to believe that Nietzsche was real, I can understand how you might take the contrary position on the matter.

>>18759080
Now hold on, anon. Maybe the other anon is right. After all, the only thing we can be sure of in this world is the existence of God.

>>18758977
If this were true, couldn’t you use the same logical leaps to say it was commerce/industry/capital in Nietzsche’s time? Yet he did not. So whatever caused him to reject that, would probably have him reject this as well.

>>18759050
>The category of the sacred doesn't just mean "whatever a society values and expends effort on appreciating"
I wasn't implying that. Many people don't just "value" the great novels, they treat them as sacred texts and live according to what they see as eternal truths within them.

>>18759073
>The important word is "like"
To these people it is a form of genuine worship. To think that there is no one today worshiping anything (like your argument seems to suggest) is what's a mistake in judgment. People all over the place are worshiping things, GENUINELY worshiping things.

>>18759059
again fag the difference is in the nature of the worship, they don't view these novelists as supernatural beings capable of saving them from mortality or changing the structure of reality
this is the key issue
we are in a dying society that doesn't fool itself anymore in regards to the ultimate destiny of men

>>18759086
Very good point. Hit the nail on the head; I'm so sick of "xyz cultural phenomenon/system of values/celebrity/etc. is the new God"

>>18759085
where does the concept of god come from?
your need to have an omnipotent father figure?

>>18759096
Worship isn't just for "supernatural beings capable of saving them from mortality or changing the structure of reality." This is a biased (namely Abrahamic) view of what worship and the sacred entail.

>>18759087
>they treat them as sacred texts and live according to what they see as eternal truths within them
Are these eternal truths explicitly metaphysical claims? Is living in accordance with them aligning oneself with ultimate reality? If so, it would be more insightful to say "novelists are a modern type of theologian".

>genuine worship
It's not
>GENUINELY worshiping things
They're not

>there is no one today worshiping anything (like your argument seems to suggest)
There are billions of people worshipping gods. More than those who "worship" novelists.

>>18758977
But social justice and woke shit is just liberalism. That’s not a new good, it’s the same slave morality Nietzsche already criticized. Wokeness is just a normal part of life now, the status quo lifestyle in our age of malaise.

>>18759101
>This is a biased (namely Abrahamic) view of what worship
no, literally every single religion that ever existed had to do with an afterlife and supernatural beings, may they be one or more of them

>>18759121
tis a new morality, with new saits and sinners but with no god

>>18759100
The concept of God comes from the fact that the supposed paradox identified by Camus criticising Parmenides that the mind belies the unity it asserts in the act of thinking unity is disproven by the fact of man's existence.

>>18759117
>If so, it would be more insightful to say "novelists are a modern type of theologian".
Sure. They're still worshiping, i.e., they still have God(s).

>There are billions of people worshipping gods. More than those who "worship" novelists.
Does count matter? Why phrase it like this? So you admit that there are people who worship; but you simultaneously exclude those who worship something that you don't personally approve of. Why? Lack of empathy? Fear?

>>18759124
>literally every single religion that ever existed had to do with an afterlife and supernatural beings
lol

>>18759131
Woke shit is a natural development of master and slave morality. The entire ideology is based on oppression vs. oppressors, new rules and sins used by the herd (social media users primarily) to condemn the powerful. But in actuality it all comes from envy. The masses are atomized and decadent, so they feel entitled to elite standards in the globalized world, and woke morality is their way of guilting people into accepting them. It’s still just normal slave morality though, just taken to the extreme.

>>18759148
Just so you know, you're replying to me and somebody else

You didn't answer my questions, brainlet.

>Does count matter?
Yeah it does when you say that nobody is worshipping in accordance with my definition of worship, you idiot. You're making grandiose claims about "new gods" and have no idea of what any of that entails

>>18759148
>something that you don't personally approve of
Wow, shitty argumentation. It is very clear that I am giving a definition of the concept of "worship" and that your definition comes from your delusion by analogies. Evidently, you once read some snarky thinkpiece or shitty sociology book by a benighted urbanite who's proving the Freudian theory of religion by their nu-atheist rantings, and think that to describe things which have perfectly suitable alternative labels as "worship" is insightful. Again, grow up.

>>18759166
>You didn't answer my questions
I said "sure" to the theologian comment, implying yes to the two questions that came before it.

>Yeah it does when you say that nobody is worshipping in accordance with my definition of worship
It shouldn't matter. You could have just told me that you did think there were people who worshiped today. The fact you made it a popularity contest on top of your answer suggests you're upset. Note that I never once said or implied that only people who worship novelists and treat novels as sacred texts are genuine worshipers today.

>>18759148
>lol
name one that didn't
>inb4 buddhism
read more brainlet

>>18759085
Yes, but I still wouldn’t go so far as to positively claim Nietzsche never existed.

>>18759190
>implying yes to the two questions that came before it
Well then you're an idiot

>The fact you made it a popularity contest on top of your answer suggests you're upset.
Baby

>Note that I never once said or implied that only people who worship novelists and treat novels as sacred texts are genuine worshipers today.
You literally did. See >>18759087

>>18759097
I mean, it’s certainly part of a culturally reinforced value system. It might even be an ideal, but it’s not God, a god, the new gods. That implies there’s some transcendent aspect to it but the defining characteristic of our time since Nietzsche is the total rejection of anything as transcendent. That stuff can’t be the new god, because we deny God and gods completely to your point.

>>18759194
>name one that didn't
Judaism and Shintoism don't really have a proper afterlife, for example.

>>18759198
>Well then you're an idiot
Sounds like cope.

>You literally did
Then you can't read. Just another indication that you're upset.

>>18759224
>>18759087
>People all over the place are worshiping things, GENUINELY worshiping things.

>>18758979

>>18759214
>being resurected is not an afterlife

>>18759214
>Shinto
Are you kidding? The whole religion is basically centered around the afterlife.

>>18758945
>shadily
>kekistan
>2016
omg you newfaggot 2016 cancer

>>18759235
>this somehow implies that only these people are worshiping things
Get better reading comprehension.

>>18759247
Resurrection wasn't introduced to Hebrew doctrine until ~2nd century BC. Originally, the soul perished with the body and that was it. This was one of the early conflicts between Jews and Christians.

>>18759251
The afterlife in Shinto is not what the Abrahamic religions would consider as an afterlife. Kami aren't immortal, they can die and decompose too. Ame is not so much an afterlife as it is a higher plane of this existence.

what mean you, goyim? we have lots of gods in the form of celebrities. believe it or not that's what kids worship. rappers, actors, athletes.

>>18758977
>Anything I don't like is a competing religion

>>18758920
Did Nietzsche forget about Wagner?

>we haven't made new gods in two centuries
????
why do you think people have to be "converted" to communism?

>>18759036
>>18759057
Bite it samefag

>>18759886
>strawman
Faggot.
https://youtu.be/GnUqrF9mAA8

>>18758968
Dfw

>>18758920
>make new gods
What kind of retardation is this?

>>18758951
>quantum-shamanic-Hindu psychedelia
Books on this?

>>18758951
The New Age is not the way forward. Beware the counter-Initiation.

>>18761402
New age in the syncretic blavatskian sense isn't, but some parts of new age, those that detach themselves entirely from previous traditions instead of butchering them, are indeed the way forward.

>>18761413
I would be interested in reading more about these parts of the New Age if you have any resources on them.

>>18758920
>we still haven't made new gods
t. neighbourhood has george floyd mural and anne frank's diary is read in every high school

>>18761418
I recommend you read Robert Monroe's books. The main criticism of new age beliefs is that they are a perversion of traditional doctrines, but there are no allusions to traditional religions in any of his works.

>>18758920
We have but in order to publish them we have to pretend we're ironic or cryptically distance ourselves. There is no sincerity in our age to profess and live to tell the tale. I knew a lot of white Buddhists who couldnt socialize because of the peer pressure that their united group imposed on them individually. It was too mentally taxing for them to be the AntiChrist AntiBillNye AntiSlobberingGoyim group even in the most passive way possible. I worship my ancestors with frog posts.

The discovery of the black hole was the invention of a "scientific" deity, we just no longer anthropomorphize.