/lit/ - Literature

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Video gaymes are literally for children.

>>18756170

Just watched an Oriental woman play Silent Hill 2 on twitch and it's quite Hegelian. The Mary-Maria thing could have been written by Zizek.

>>18756170
Ghost Story by Peter Straub

>>18756170
Silen Hill was mostly based on Jacob's Ladder (movie) and The Mist (Stephen King),

Teatro Grottesco (Thomas Ligotti) or The Consumer (Michael Gira) have similar atmosphere.

>>18756175
There are few which could be considered art. I think Silent Hill falls into that category.

>>18757242
If only a few works from a certain medium can be "considered art" then none of them are art
It's either all or none

>>18757263

>>18757263
This is a stupid take. You can say the medium is shit based on what it's all about, but if there's some excellence in it it's stupid not to recognize it.
Are you going to say that Kurosawa is garbage cinema because at this point the whole medium is saturated with garbage?

>>18756170
House of Leaves

Love Silent Hill 2. I know videogames are for manchildren, but that's the one exception. The Game is art.

>>18756170
Depends, which game vibes are you looking for in particular? SH2 and 4 are more psychological horror as opoosed to 1 and 3 which are more occultic.

>>18757242
>>18757284
Silent Hill 1-4
RE 1-4
Dead Space 1
Warcraft 3 ROC campaign
MGS series
Divine Divinity

>>18757284
>I know videogames are for manchildren
Why can't someone just enjoy a game now and again?

>>18757302
You're right I take that back.

Also Death Stranding had me CAPTIVATED like a novel would. Videogames are great it's just a lot of them suck.

>>18757278
>>18757281
Fred got fingered and Citizen kane are both art because film is an art. Ofc one of them is absolutely superior in every to the other but bad art is still art
Not to sound condescending or like a reddit trying-to-be-connoseur but i guess you're refering to the idea of art instead of art itself and in general

You have a lot of options, from ligotti to lovecraft to Blackwood to machen to even like, Bradbury. Here’s a link to a list of inspirations for silent hill.

https://silenthill.fandom.com/wiki/Inspirational_works_of_Silent_Hill

>>18756170
>>18757157

>What was Mary suffering from? Evil has masterfully subverted us and is hiding in plain sight: remember that Silent Hill is a place of phantasmagoria, it justifies and ostensibly explains itself by claiming that James has murdered his wife in the "real world", however, what if this is the very heart of its phantasmagoria? James murdered Mary in Silent Hill first, not as a temporal paradox, but as the super-temporal murder: James is a demon who manifests Silent Hill and lures Maria, the living, sexual one, from the "real world" into Silent Hill, where she is transmuted into Mary, the dead, castrated one. Mary is suffering from the murder itself, Maria is her superfluity, that which is "not of this world", that cannot be murdered and is now paradoxically released into the full quality of her vitality by being separated from the mortal Mary. The vulgar interpretation that James is a "real world" man trapped in Silent Hill becomes paradoxically true, Mary is consumed by James but the super-vital Maria consumes him, realigning their shared Phenomenal, Silent Hill, around her.

>>18756170
Silent Hill was heavily inspired by Lynch, among what some of the other anons have suggested, and a lot of Lynch's work is inspired by Kafka. You really can't go wrong with Kafka.

>>18756170
>>18756175
>>18757476

>What is Silent Hill then? Sexuality stripped of its romantic crypto-oriental definitions, man and woman as complementary and so on, and laid bare, an exegesis only possible from its inside, only possible once one has misstepped into it and made ripples around one's self that hit and outlined its monstrous nature: man and woman are not made for each other, they are mutually exclusive. The James-Mary-Maria chain being exemplary of this, it is nothing but near-intrusion from an awful distance, violent too all parties and wanted by neither. James does not want Maria, Maria does not want James, Mary does not want James, James, in fact, does not want Mary either, finally, does Maria want James? No. What does Maria want, why did she follow James into Silent Hill, into sex? Exactly. This is the mystery perfectly mirroring the question of what James actually wants, it is obviously not Maria, since he murdered her, and it is obviously not the residue of Mary. Perhaps both man and woman realize their predicament, that once they stepped into Silent Hill they can no longer leave, that Silent Hill will indefinitely expand and follow them wherever they might go, so they choose to commit not quite suicide but sexual suicide: that the James-Mary-Maria chain is totally consensual, that both of them want to die as sexes, the finality of Maria being a kind of "soul" aborting itself from the "body" of sex.

>>18757476
>>18757847
None of this makes any sense

>>18756170
>>18757157
>>18757476

>What is Silent Hill then? Sexuality stripped of its romantic crypto-oriental definitions, man and woman as complementary and so on, and laid bare, an exegesis only possible from its inside, only possible once one has misstepped into it and made ripples around one's self that hit and outlined its monstrous nature: man and woman are not made for each other, they are mutually exclusive. The James-Mary-Maria chain being exemplary of this, it is nothing but near-intrusion from an awful distance, violent too all parties and wanted by neither. James does not want Maria, Mary does not want James, James, in fact, does not want Mary either, finally, does Maria want James? No. What does Maria want, why did she follow James into Silent Hill, into sex? Exactly. This is the mystery perfectly mirroring the question of what James actually wants, it is obviously not Maria, since he murdered her, and it is obviously not the residue of Mary. Perhaps both man and woman realize their predicament, that once they stepped into Silent Hill they can no longer leave, that Silent Hill will indefinitely expand and follow them wherever they might go, so they choose to commit not quite suicide but sexual suicide: that the James-Mary-Maria chain is totally consensual, that both of them want to die as sexes, the finality of Maria being a kind of "soul" aborting itself from the "body" of sex.

>>18757854
>None of this makes any sense

>>18757263
So, books aren't art?

>>18757916
Writing is art

>>18757242
Joseph Anderson disagrees:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0lhy9QnBHmo

>>18757476
>>18757887

Reply, cowards.

Alice isn't dead

>>18757237
No it was based on Phantoms by Dean Koontz, stop making bullshit up

>>18757316
>Fred got fingered and Citizen kane are both art because film is an art. Ofc one of them is absolutely superior in every to the other but bad art is still art

I agree with this take except I wouldn't call Citizen Kane bad, just not quite as good

Awake in the Night Land - John C Wright

>>18756175
if you have your children playing videogames youve failed as a parent

>>18759171
Several of his works inspired Silent Hill no doubt, among countless horror fiction influences ranging from Poe to Blackwood to Bloch, but the rusty urban visuals of Jacob's Ladder and key elements of The Mist (monsters appearing in misty small town, religious fanaticism) are two major sources for SH series.

>>18756175
Both games and literature are both passive distractions, one isnt inherently better than the other

>>18757281
god i hate the word "take" so much please just use anything else PLEASE

>>18757263
if the evaluation of a medium happens prior to the consideration of its individual works then thats retarded since its the evolution of individual works which shape the supposed "artistic value" of a medium. imagine coming away with the opinion that all painting is terrible since youve only ever seen the fingerpaints of a pre-k class.

>>18757316
what makes them art again, the fact that they're both art lol? there's no critical determination of a medium being "artful" rather than not? moron

>>18756170
Satantango

>>18759392
>youve failed as a parent
if you have an ESL for a father, then you have failed as a child in the parent lottery.

>>18759496
Anything can be a passive distraction, if you're consuming passively yourself.

In theory, they are both multifaceted sets of human expression and can both be valuable to your growth and development. If read/played/watched with thought and questions of your own that is. Mindlessly consuming, or just sticking to the comfortable media, which from you've learned everything you needed to already, is a passive distraction.

>>18757923
Some people write shitty and it doesn't answer my question to begin with.
Based on your definition games aren't art because some games are shit. does that imply that writing and books aren't art because some people write shitty?

Solaris- seriously

>>18761037

what was wrong with what he wrote there?

>>18757909
I would fuck it

>>18757923
I can copy paste one word ten thousand times and sell it as a book on Amazon. Your logic os retarded.

>>18759523
>god i hate the word "take" so much
that's a weird take

>>18762597
that could probably be considered art. I can shit in a tin and call it art, as long as I, the artist, believe it has meaning, whatever it may be, and another, external to my production, believes it to have meaning, even if wrong to my view, then it has meaning and so art.

>>18756175
you're so mature for your age! :)

>>18757316
>Movies
>art
Lol

The Secret of Ventriloquism. I didn't like it personally, but it definitely has Silent Hill vibes, and it has plenty of cool ideas. Very quick read too.

>>18762597
>inb4 screencap of anon's novel
you know the one

>>18757237
it's based on that fucking town in pennsylvania whose mine has been on fire for 50 years. faggot

god i fucking hate you people

>>18765269
this is a very big misconception, only the shit movie adaptation was inspired by that town. The games designers have documented their inspirations and King and Koontz are definitely the big ones

>>18756175
Well Silent Hill is a story about child abuse that takes the places where society pretends to care about children like elementary school and hospitals and turns them into nightmares. You are kinda right it is a story for children that belong in a better place than this. :P

>>18756170
my diary desu