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>>18746916
Do you even Descartes

But... Kant made astronomical observations that are still relevant to this day. Clearly he did into stem

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>>18746916
>STEM
It is mainly about getting math right.

Low VIQ detected. Also consider listening to Sean Carrol's podcast. He's a theoretical physicist who talks with philosophers and he likes to talk about Hyoom and Cunt.

heh nice value system there kiddo wonder how you arrived on it

Continental philosophy is just a cope for word salad writing midwits who couldn't into analytic.

Based, reminder that Kant couldn't into basic math and the synthetic a priori character of geometry was BTFO by Gauss (PBUH)
>>18746926
>>18746931
Cope

>>18746945
>having a value system means you're engaging in philosophy
Double digit IQ post

>>18746916
Currently (and 20th c.), yes. Historically, no.

>>18746958
Which branch of science determines ethics?

>>18746958
It does

>>18746958
yo'ur gay

>>18746981
Ethics doesn't exist.

If you are a STEMfag and you've never considered the philosophy of causation, probability, anthropic reasoning, epistemology, cosmology, etc. you but you might be an idiot who got duped into STEM because your betters needed some more human cogs.

>>18746981
None. Philosophy implies self-reflection, most people inherit their worldview from their parents or environment they grew in and never reflect back on anything. I have my views and they are correct, you have yours and they are wrong (unless they align with my views), simple as

>>18746958
>having a value system means you're engaging in philosophy
It literally does though.

>>18747002
lol what

>>18747003
Nothing to be ashamed of, really. Kuhn relegated the vast majority of science to be done by philosophically illiterate normies.

i disagree in principle but agree in practice. most people here are unemployed and the entire academic philosophy (and humanities, more broadly) apparatus is composed of people who failed to stake out a meaningful role for themselves in the modern economy

I have yet to meet a STEMtard who doesn't think that love either doesn't exist or is nothing more than meaningless chemical reactions.

>>18746916
Kek. This. Only intelligent individuals reject philosophy.

>>18747039
>or is nothing more than meaningless chemical reactions.
Which is what it is.

>>18747042
kek
OP here, that image absolutely BTFO me. Just thought I'd let you know.
Carry on.

>>18747047
If that's how life seems to you, I won't argue with you. But please refrain from pushing your soul-castrating reductionism onto others

>>18747042
Ones on the right are objectively smarter than ones on the left

>>18747058
>Nobel prizes are actually just given to retards!

>>18746948
>the synthetic a priori character of geometry was BTFO by Gauss
elaborate

>>18746948
You are a brainlet. What was refuted was Kant's specific foundation of geometry based on 3d Euclidian Space being inherent in our aesthetic comprehension of reality. The synthetic a priori was not refuted. People said the same thing when Einstein came up with GR based on Riemannian geometry. There were Kantians who revised the philosophy to fit in with those new discoveries, like Cassirer, but people did not care because there were a bunch of hype new philosophies coming up at the time so people just kinda forgot this debate.

>>18747056
Anon, I don't want to soul castrate anyone. Even the most profound religious experience is the result of brain chemistry.
My question is, why do you think that somehow makes the emotions and experiences we feel any lesser? Is it the mystery of not knowing that you like about it?

>>18746916
Anyone studying evolution should read up on realism and nominalism.
>>18747047
How does your wife feel about love?

>>18747042
I think this emphasizes the problem.
Humanities fags embrace the fields that help make us human, but neglect the practical and material.
STEMfags further our practical and material knowledge, but neglect the things that make us human.
There has to be a balance. STEMfags should pick up some humanities books, Libartfags should read some STEM books.

>>18747072
I'm not married.

>>18747068
You can't quantify the perceptive experience aka the spirit. Brain Chemistry controls it but the conscious experience itself is spirit.

>>18747068
I feel that claiming that every experience, down to the smallest minutia, can be quantified and accounted for diminishes the intensity and truth value of that experience. When I want to get rid of an uncomfortable feeling, I rationalize it. This seems to be effectively the same thing. You couldn't fully quantify the impact that say a beautiful song has on a person

The greatest minds of all time were good at both STEM subjects AND soft subjects. If you think you can have a complete understanding of reality with just one of them, then you are just coping really hard. You will see STEM brainlets that can't read Kant saying that it is all meaningless word salad and you will also see pseuds that get mad any time someone uses some basic mathematical formalism do discuss philosophy. Those two kinds of people are engaging in deep cope, if you were smart enough you would ace both the human and the hard sciences, pic related could do it easily:

>>18747098
>You couldn't fully quantify the impact that say a beautiful song has on a person
You can. Simply look at the brain activity of the person listening to it. I don't wanna be a reductionist asshole, but it is what it is.
>>18747092
Jury's still out on that one. I'll grant that there's no explanation for human consciousness, and I doubt it's simply a result of brain chemistry, being that other mammals have similar brains but no consciousness.
I would argue that the spirit is synonymous with consciousness though.

>>18747068
The mind and the brain are not metaphysically the same. This was demonstrated using simple modal logic by both Kripke and Chalmers. Basically they just used Descartes simple proof and modified it a little bit.

>>18747126
>The mind and the brain are not metaphysically the same
The brain is in charge of emotion, the mind is in charge of rational thought.
BTFO nigguh

>>18747047
>>18747056

also philosophy is STEM and STEM is philosophy. trust debunks empiricism. you are all faggots.

>>18747042
>Dawkins
Nothing wrong his definition or contradictory about not being totally open-minded. It's probably best to have some argumentation or evidence before you start believing something.
>Nye
I assume Nye means he personally believes we can use our senses to understand truths about a mind-independent reality. I wouldn't begrudge him that.
>Tyson
He was empathizing with a radio host who studied undergrad philosophy and considered it a waste of time so I'll cut him some slack.
>Krauss
HOLY shit what an obnoxious guy. You can tell he only got into this line of work for the Epstein catered underage pussy. Just look at that physiognomy.

>>18747113
Pic related lived back when Calculus 101 was considered mathematical sorcery understood by very few people in Europe (with him among them). Today acing the hard sciences would include spending 5 years majoring in a needlessly narrow field and developing severe depression meanwhile

>>18747159
>muh depression
Why are zoomers like this?

>>18747140
No, retard. The claim is that there is nothing going on on our minds other than chemical and electric signals transmitted by neurons. This is the physicalist claim.

https://arigiddesignator.wordpress.com/2011/02/17/kripkes-refutation-of-identity-theory/

Kripke uses a simple argument to show this is a false statement.

>hey everyone look at my self-contradictory statement come give me (you)s for being a fucking pseud

>>18747176
>No, retard. The claim is that there is nothing going on on our minds other than chemical and electric signals transmitted by neurons. This is the physicalist claim.
Yeah well, my claim is that the mind is the conscious and rational, and the chemical processes are instinctive, emotional and subcounciouss.
Fuck you gonna do about it?
Also I ain't reading all that shit. Gimme a tl;dr.

>>18747179
To be fair, I did get a lot of (You)s.

>>18747159
Leibniz was a politician and lawyer, most of his scientific and philosophical contributions were done in his free time. He did not have that much free time since he also worked as an engineer and librarian. He also did not have a bunch of money or any of the technological crutches that we use today still he contributed to Mathematics, physics, geology, medicine, biology, embryology, epidemiology, veterinary medicine, paleontology, psychology, engineering, linguistics, philology, sociology, metaphysics, ethics, economics, diplomacy, history, politics, music theory, poetry, logic, theodicy, universal language, universal science.

If you think you are not like him because of "free time" or "depression" you are coping hard. You are not him because there is a 100 point IQ gap dude, simple as.

>>18747213
Also, nothing bad about having an 100IQ difference from Leibniz, it just means you are a midwit, not that you are dumb.

>>18747213
>You are not him because there is a 100 point IQ gap dude, simple as.
You didn't have to BTFO that anon so hard.

>>18746916
go back retard we dont need you materialist hylics shitting up this board too with your retardation

>>18747156
>>Dawkins
I remember one retarded tweet he made about Plato being dumb because he didn't use experiments.
>>Tyson
is a shithead, he'll actively mock religious folks in one interview and then brownnose a catholic priest in another one. Also, I am brainlet as fuck when it comes to physics, but his vulgarisation of why we can figure out rules of higher dimensions, which I've seem him recount a couple of times, seems to me that it would completely fall flat if only his interlocutors had the presence of mind to ask him "ok, what about triangles?"
>>Krauss
is a legit ratfucker. He also stands by Epstein.
>>Nye
The only one of the bunch that physically repulse me so much that I cannot even form a coherent opinion about him. My reaction to looking at an image of him is that of a Lovecraft protagonist encountering a bunch of fishmen.

>>18747232
>phoneposter

>>18747213
Jesus fuck the sheer degree of destruction deployed here.

>>18747222
>>18747220
>>18747213
all me btw

>>18746916
Shaman: *invents religion*
Priest: *invents philosophy*
Philosopher: *invents science*
Scientist: "Philosophy is just a cope for word salad writing midwits who couldn't into STEM."

>>18747295
>the internet:" everyone *liked* that".

>>18746916
STEM is a cope for people who are not born to rich parents

>>18747002
That’s also a philosophical proposition

>>18747004
>We should use inherited ethical systems
Nice philosophy you got there, kiddo

>>18746948
?????

>>18746947
Kant is the Charlemagne of Philosophy and thus the big daddy of Anal and Cunt

>>18747295
>Word Salad writing Midwits: "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE. No uh I got a degree in English and minored in Buttplug studies

>>18747039
Is it not? Love is not particularly special. It's a mechanism that keeps us procreating. Once you learn women and game you can control your love too, that way you aren't just falling into it all willy nilly. Because love can also be destructive both internally and externally. I can fall in love whenever I want if the circumstance calls for it but most of the time I'm going to just going to pursue mindful matters which naturally leads me to not care as much for love. It's fun but studying philosophy and lit might be even more fun.

Delete /sci/

>>18746948
Gauss didn't have a high opinion of philosophers but that's because he was surrounded by idealist schizos like Hegel and he seems to have preferred the philosophy in the tradition of Aristotle. He read and reread Kant even though he was critical of him and he was Lutheran (though not a fundamentalist). The two anons you (You)d are right.
>>18747113
This.
>>18747159
Holy cope. Literally just learn Philosophy, Logic, Algebra, Calculus, Analysis, Topology, Probability, etc. (see picrel for inspo)
>and developing severe depression meanwhile
Lmao, cry me a river faggot. Nobody said you have to do it as a career, just that you should at least attempt not to be a midwit.
>>18747722
This.

>>18747794
that quote seems absolutely retarded

>>18747125
>>18747092
Have either of you guys gone paranormal investigating?

I did, I thought it was a joke because I was dating one of the girls in the group. She dragged me along a few times and I went along because she would always stay at my place after. It was 90% bullshit and just lonely people and legends.
>however
I was pretty blown away a couple times when a few things happened that I could not explain. I even once saw a floating wet-looking black ball, the size of a pool 8-ball and about as glossy, it literally flew at me, around my back, into a hallway and then up some stairs where I saw it "pop" into a mist before disappearing.

Fucking insane. I was fucking blown away and started reading The Tao of Physics, Dancing Wu-li masters, Breakdown of the bicameral mind, and shit like Brian Greene's fabric of the cosmos to try and figure out what in science could explain ghosts.

>>18747811
>spanish autor
It does

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>>18747156
Yes. Krauss is easily the worst of any public science figure. Of course he's talking about Woody Allen in the quote.

>>18747812
"paranormal investigating" nowadays is fucking cringe, however I took a college course on Parapsychology under a teacher who was a magician who would debunk the paranormal cases, and in a few, simply said "this shit is fucked, I can't explain it". Probably the least useful course I've ever taken (and I've majored in Philosophy), but with that teacher, it was the best.
Cases of poltergeists were the most interesting, and potentially worthwhile to look at. The second someone speaks of telekinesis or mindreading you know some nice scamming is about to happen.

>>18746916
STEMs are bucks and philosophers are the breakers

>>18747004
Holy kek. Midwit's offer the best entertainment, hands down.

>>18748263
He's right though. Having a worldview =/= having a philosophy, otherwise you'd have to count religions and proverbial wisdom as philosophy

>>18746916
And yet Kant was STEM himself and knew enough about these subjects

>>18748314
Kant was also a teacher of anthropology. What do you make of that?

>>18747222
To be fair Leibniz btfos everybody to this day.

>>18747113
this here is correct

When the fuck we will see a contemporary philosopher who is also a scientist or vice verse?

>>18748489
Wait......Bernardo Kastrup is a scientist and a philosopher.

>>18746916
Don't mind me, you should be used by now having daily reminders of your retardation.

>>18748503
Why did he believe in God?

>>18748489
Because it's hard to specialize in two topics at sufficient depth nowadays. So any scientist is likely at best a dabbler in philosophy.

>>18746916
Philosophy birthed STEM you pseud

>>18748508
Because the world is filled with retards and honestly there is no reason to say or do things that will unnecessary upset them. If accepting god means that a bunch of illiterate theologists stays away from your work, then you better fucking accept him.

>>18748512
oh no dont tell him that, you ruin the shit post.

>>18748512
okay and?

>>18748527
Bro my roomate went to the beach with his girlfriend and they didnt invite me over.

>>18748510
this is a meme

>>18748535
You should be upfront about it with them.

>>18748537
you only say that because you have never reached those levels of knowledge. you live a mediocre life, probably being average in every aspect of life but there is no excellency. you are the definition of disgrace, part of a formless mass. i pity you anon, get well soon.

>>18748535
damn that's sad man :(

>>18748547
take your meds

>>18748540
I just got home from the gym, and i told him if you have any plans for today, you retard dont forget to let me know, i will be back in an hour. Tard said yes, ate the last eggs we had in the fridge, took the car and left. Don't think there is time for discussions now, i will have to duel him irl.

>>18748556
Imagine asking me to drug myself simply because you cant comprehend that kind of mindset. What a failure you are.

>>18746916
According to your philosophy...

>>18748557
Shit bro, I know that feel of being willingly left out. I think a grappling match in front of his gf would be cool

>>18748564
no you just made a lot of baseless and mostly false assumptions about what i'm like and so it makes you look like a schizo

>>18748605
I sent him the challenge through a chatting app, i will beat the shit out of him but i wonder if i have enough of Gilgamesh in me to also fuck his gf after my glorious victory.

>>18748609
>Because it's hard to specialize in two topics
You called this a meme didnt you? How am i wrong assuming you have no idea how hard it is to actually specialise in certain topics? Dedicating your whole life to something and still that won't be enough. Stop being dellusional, you are exactly what i described. It has been a long time since i felt embarassed for the sake of another anon.

>>18746916
>Philosophy is just a cope for word salad writing midwits who couldn't into STEM.

>>18748638
>Gilgamesh in me to also fuck his gf after my glorious victory.
Woah, stop being vulgar bro. You gotta show your bro and his gf your sincerity nothing more than that.

>>18748652
So you are telling me to find a formal way to ask for a threesome. thats an unexpectedly good tip actually.

>>18746916
I agree

*goes back to reading philosophy anyway*

>>18748647
>Art and humanities: 120
>English language and literature: 120
Ah, the eternal midwit strikes again

>>18747192
holy shit you're retarded. you can claim that if you want, but your claim isn't related to the discussion other people were having.

>>18747295
classical philosopher also did what we would today call science, modern day scientist picked up on the part that makes visible progress while modern day philosopher are stuck saying "bro what if..."

>>18748647