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What role does enlightenment play in ending the cycle of reincarnation?

>> No.18731579
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18731579

>>18731536
You come to the realization that there is no reincarnation, so this, your only life, becomes extremely important.

>> No.18731823

>>18731536
12 nidanas my man

ignorance > mental formations (eg memory, thought) > consciousness > name & form > the 6 sense bases > contact with external phenomena > feelings > craving for feelings > clinging to feelings > resultant habitual tendencies > these culminate as ourselves as persons as birth > death.

if you cut out ignorance, you end the cycle.
we grasp after more and more life.

>> No.18731833

>>18731579
How important could it possibly be if I can't even care about it after the fact?

>> No.18731852

REINCARNATION = SAYING "I AM NOT ENLIGHTENED"
JUST STOP SAYING YOU AREN'T ENLIGHTENED

>> No.18731854

>>18731833
How did you feel about your life before you were born?

>> No.18731860

>>18731854
I don't remember :)
doesn't mean I didn't

>> No.18731865

>>18731579
>Die
>Nonexistent state same as before conception
>For some reason gAytheists think life can't happen again

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18731868

>>18731579
>#undef REALIZATION
Nice.

>> No.18731884

>>18731854
MAHAYANA BUDDHIST DETECTED

>> No.18731885

>>18731536
Tennessee?

>> No.18731902

>>18731865
>Any fiction humans think up is extremely likely to be fact. —Heard it from a guy. —he had a long white beard!

>>18731884
Epicurean

>> No.18731926

>>18731579
It loses all its importance actually.

>> No.18731929

>>18731902
Do you believe in free will?

>> No.18731944

>>18731926
Only for degenerates.
Seriously. How attached are you to this eternal bowing to yhwh on a cloud shit?
It’s like I say to the forever alone sad sacks around here. You have to start with yourself. Learn to love yourself. Don’t become self absorbed, but care about yourself. It’s just the start.

>> No.18731954

>>18731929
It is a useless question. I believe in compatibalism. No one can know. No one should know. Physicists don’t believe in it. Whatever.

>> No.18731971

>>18731954
Lol it's not a useless question because clearly you understand the implications of whichever answer you prefer. Without free will, ideals like justice are nonsensical.

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>>18731884
>All this Dukkha everywhere... What can I do?!
>Tired of being stuck forever in Samsara? Mahayana™ is the best, easiest and most convenient solution! With the new EasySpin™ technology, it's never been easier to swipe your problems away!
>*Spins wheel, Dharma disappears* Thank you Amitabha!
>Mahayana™: all the Karma, none of the Dharma!
>#spinthewheel and win a one way trip to the Pure Land RIGHT NOW!

>> No.18732021

>>18731971
This is why we should not know it or ask it.

>> No.18732025
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>>18731884
>All this Dukkha everywhere... What can I do?!
>Tired of being stuck forever in Samsara? Mahayana™ is the best, easiest and most convenient solution! With the new EasySpin™ technology, it's never been easier to swipe your problems away!
>*Spins wheel, Dukkha disappears to rainbow FX* Thank you Amitabha!
>Mahayana™: all the Karma, none of the Dharma!
>#spinthewheel and win a one way trip to the Pure Land RIGHT NOW!

>> No.18732030

>>18731852
based and chinese zen pilled

>> No.18732031

>>18732021
>Yes, I AM a coward
figures

>> No.18732048

>>18732031
How do you operate?
Should the psycho killer be executed because there’s free will or studied and treated because everything is predetermined?

>> No.18732060

>>18732048
>How do you operate?
One ought to act as if it was real, so that's how.
>executed
He should be studied because he has free will. He freely chose to act as he did. Free will and cause and effect are not at all mutually exclusive.

>> No.18732084

>>18732048
>Should the psycho killer be executed because there’s free will or studied and treated because everything is predetermined?
Studied and treated, and then executed.

>> No.18732090

>>18731536
Enlightenment removes a fragment of consciousness from the endless rebirth into attached desire and suffering, as this fragment is no longer attaching. Generalized attachment by consciousness continues.

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>>18731865
The logical conclusion if the supernatural doesn't exist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9e5LSXbKUM

>> No.18732130

>>18732098
But life did not always exist. It was obviously the result of certain conditions in a material context. There were no bacteria anywhere at some point in time, probably, because in order to develop any life these conditions take a long time. Unless by life you also mean inert matter, then your model is accurate.

>> No.18732202

>>18732130
I think it's about from the perspective of an observer that gets reincarnated. That observer wouldn't experience death, it would go from dying to being something else.

>> No.18732238

It trains your soul not to enter into the light of the alien soul-harvesting device the operates from the Eye of Saturn.

>> No.18732291

>>18732202
Yeah but unless you consider life to always have existed and to always exist in some form in the future of this universe there are points in time where this transformation model does not subsist. This also means that if all life is life transformed, you're having the same amount of life (souls, whatever) always at all time, but this cannot be since life does grow and multiply as conditions become stable, and this cannot mean you're "sucking" life out of some other solar system either because these solar systems developed at a similar pace.
The only way this model is always consistent is if you consider all matter to be life, because it has potential for life.

>> No.18732402

>>18732238
Only good post ITT

>> No.18732981

>>18732025
you used the pali spelling you fucking degenerate low-caste faggot but I'm screencapping this anyway

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>>18732981

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>>18732291
as always, the shallow materialist utterly misses the point despite its having been explained repeatedly in the plainest language

>> No.18733277

>>18733200
I'm not going "SCIENCE!", the model is inherently less coherent with itself when it posits that life is an infinite continuity and being infinite this also implies it is unchanging, which it isn't by any means. life did begin, and life will end at some point.

>> No.18733351

>>18733277
I'm more of a science bugman than most of /lit/ but I agree that you totally miss the point. Time you're completely unconscious is exactly zero regardless of the shape of the universe, of causal relationship between you and your 'next life', of whether souls exist.

>> No.18733367

>>18731865
Why do you believe you didn't exist before conception?

>> No.18733402

>>18733351
If this model of consciousness is unhinged from the workings of reality (despite making a comparison with the matter in the universe) then it must be also true that the hours you spend asleep do not elapse and you just time skip to the morning every day.

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>>18731536

1. Reincarnation via Demiourgic metempsykhosis has not been actual since Jesus Christ opened the gates of hell; reincarnation is now a choice in pro of realizing one's ontic perfection.—total ontological transcendence.

1. Enlightenment —or, more accurately: conversion/radicalization— is requisite for excellence/revolution, which entails transcendence.

>> No.18733499

>>18731536
You are here forever, kid

>> No.18733519

>>18733495
>[2.] Enlightenment —or, more accurately: conversion/radicalization— is requisite for excellence/revolution, which entails transcendence.

>> No.18734214

>>18733499
Who is here forever?

>> No.18734267

>>18732098
UHH but the population has been growing?? that math doesn't add up

>> No.18734534

>>18734267
Population of other species have been slowing. You will experience.life.as every living thing at least once, you are doing it now simultanously

>> No.18734537

>>18734534
how do I experience a fungus if it doesn't even have neurons to store memory?

>> No.18735211

>>18733402
During sleep you still have some consciousness. General anaesthesia on the other hand feels like a time skip.

>> No.18735234

>>18731536
Nice pic, are you in Derbyshire?