/lit/ - Literature

Because he is one of the best novelists ever, full stop. Because he captures the ethos of the orthodox faith in a way that no other writer I have ever seen has managed. Because he's funny. Because his characters are totally real and believable, and as long as you know the basic history of 19th century Russia you will immediately understand how everyone fits together. And most of all, because he is totally and completely honest about human beings. There are no caricatures in Dostoevsky, no characters that are there solely to represent a principle walking around as a human body. They are all real people, with honest reasons to do what they do and believe what they believe. Even Lebedev and Fyodor Pavlovich Karamazov, who are total worms of men, dont become worms by accident, and he painstakingly explains how this can happen to a person.

It's wonderful.

>>18725838
>he captures the ethos of the orthodox faith in a way that no other writer I have ever seen has managed
Wasn’t he addicted to gambling and whoremongering?

>>18725838
>no characters that are there solely to represent a principle walking around as a human body.
lol

>>18725924
He was also into hurting women apparently.

>>18725953
Based

>>18725924
Quite normal at the time
Basically the youth of the Russian elite was EXPECTED to lose money at gambling and attend brothels

>>18725838
>There are no caricatures in Dostoevsky
for me, its this

>>18725924
we are all sinners anon

>>18725953
Holy shit based

>>18726029
Poor Folks reads like a melodramatic wailing all the way through. Didn't make me want to read more of his work.

>>18725790
He names the Jew

>>18725790
>Why should I read Dostoevsky?
because it's really, really good.
if you need more reasons, I'm sorry for you.

>>18726029
Yes and ignore the hooker with the heart of gold in C&P

>>18725838
>There are no caricatures in Dostoevsky, no characters that are there solely to represent a principle walking around as a human body. They are all real people, with honest reasons to do what they do and believe what they believe.
>>18726029
>There are no caricatures in Dostoevsky
I love Dostoevsky but you guys can't be serious.

>>18725924
There are no perfect people, and Dostoyevsky isn't an exception. In a way it makes things all the more real and brutal. If an ascetic monk who's hid from the world most his life and never got to witness or experience life in the way that Dostoyevsky did tried to write a story similar to any of Dostoyevsky's, how do you think it would turn out?

>>18725790
I’ve read Dostoyevsky and Tolstóy and I’m not sure if it’s Russian writers as a whole or just them but in my eyes they seem to be able to capture emotion on a far deeper and more personal scale

In Tsarist Russia there was no bourgeoisie and, in general, no true class-system, but merely, as in the Frankish dominions,
lord and peasant. There were no Russian towns. Moscow consisted of a
fortified residency (the Kremlin) round which was spread a gigantic market.
The imitation city that grew up and ringed it in, like every other city on the
soil of Mother Russia, is there for the satisfaction and utilities of the Court,
the administration, the traders, but that which lives in it is, on the top, an
embodiment of fiction, an Intelligentsia bent on discovering problems and conflicts, and below, an uprooted peasantry, with all the metaphysical gloom, anxiety, and misery of their own Dostoyevski, perpetually homesick for the open
land and bitterly hating the stony grey world into which Antichrist has tempted
them. Moscow had no proper soul. The spirit of the upper classes was Western,
and the lower had brought in with them the soul of the countryside. Between
the two worlds there was no reciprocal comprehension, no communication,
no charity. To understand the two spokesmen and victims of the pseudomorphosis, it is enough that Dostoyevski is the peasant, and Tolstoi the man of Western society. The one could never in his soul get away from the land; the
other, in spite of his desperate efforts, could never get near it.
Tolstoi is the former Russia, Dostoyevski the coming Russia. The inner Tolstoi
is tied to the West. He is the great spokesman of Petrinism even when he is
denying it. The West is never without a negative — the guillotine, too, was
a true daughter of Versailles — and rage as he might against Europe, Tolstoi
could never shake it off. Hating it, he hates himself and so becomes the father
of Bolshevism. The utter powerlessness of this spirit, and “its” 1917 revolution, stands confessed in his posthumously published A Light Shines in the Darkness. This hatred Dostoyevski does not know. His passionate power of
living is comprehensive enough to embrace all things Western as well — “I
have two fatherlands, Russia and Europe.” He has passed beyond both Petrinism and revolution, and from his future he looks back over them as from afar.

Not OP, but where should I start with Doestoevsky?

Tolstoi’s Christianity was a misunderstanding. He spoke of Christ and he meant Marx. But to Dostoyevski’s Christianity the next thousand years will belong.

>>18727635
Notes From Underground

>>18725790
You shouldn't read anything. Stick with /lit/ threads and consume the opinions of other anons.

>>18728345
Except the worldly doctrine that he describes is right. Why should I bother with him if he's too cucked to understand the will to power?

>>18726104
>Poor Folks reads like a melodramatic wailing all the way through. Didn't make me want to read more of his work.
Poor folk is not a good example. He got really good after returning from Siberia: Brothers K, Demons, The Idiot, Memories of the underground, etc. (but ignore Humiliated and Offended). His previous work is unquestionably inferior and more melodramatic (with the exception of The Double).

>>18725790
>Dostoevsky
Who?

>>18725953
Based

>>18725790
Just finished Crime & Punishment and really enjoyed it, which one should I read next?

>>18725924
we are talking about his books not his personal character anon

>>18728634
Demons

yo can somebody give me an idea for a sonnet

I want to bang one out in like five minutes

>>18728381
>t. Coping Wageslave

>>18725790
>▶
HARD CORE ANAL

>>18727601
>I love Dostoevsky but you guys can't be serious.
Yeah I am thinking the author in Demons (Karmazinov?) was quite literally a caricature.

Look at that mean old white man, doesn't it make you sick?

To understand how humans REALLY think. Its a self protective reading, go and read it.
Id start with The Idiot. A teaching for every "christian" out there.

>>18725953
Just bought his complete works

>>18725838
8/10 bait

Each of his major works will leave unforgettable images engraved in your mind

Dostoievsky is the greatest and most racial of all Russian writers. He is the subtlest psychologist in fiction. As an artist he has a dark and sombre intensity and an imaginative vehemence only surpassed by Shakespeare. As a philosopher he anticipates Nietzsche in the direction of his insight, though in his conclusions he is diametrically opposite. He teaches that out of weakness, abnormality, perversity, foolishness, desperation, abandonment, and a morbid pleasure in humiliation, it is possible to arrive at high and unutterable levels of spiritual ecstasy. His ideal is sanctity—not morality—and his revelations of the impassioned and insane motives of human nature—its instinct towards self-destruction for instance—will never be surpassed for their terrible and convincing truth.

The strange Slavophil dream of the regeneration of the world by the power of the Russian soul and the magic of the "White Christ who comes out of Russia" could not be more arrestingly expressed than in these passionate and extraordinary works of art.

>>18725790
Dostoe was a genius-tier philosopher spliced with an above-averaged novelist. You read him for the big thinks.

>>18727652
>Tolstoi’s Christianity was a misunderstanding. He spoke of Christ and he meant Marx.
kek

>>18728345
My wife has this book and is on a second reading. Worth the time? She's a bit of a moron so I often don't bother with her tastes.

>>18729932
5/10 bait

>>18729748
>Dostoe was a genius-tier philosopher

>>18729976
filtered

captcha: gsaXD

>>18727652
Dostoevsky's Christianity is submissive martyrdom where one can only be truly virtuous if they face crappy treatment from someone but forgive them. For Dostoevsky, forgiving someone or something is the ultimate goal of Christianity.

Tolstoy's Christianity is simple: The unconditional love for your fellow man. This encompasses Dostoevsky's forgiveness, but extends far wider than that.

Tolstoy's Christianity is pure. Dostoevsky's Christianity is melodramatic and juvenile.

>>18729976
You do know that the Black hole is heavier than most known things.

>>18729969
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Bruv, I'm just seeking a second opinion. Never read any Dostoevsky and I think Peterson is a basic chump. It's possible my wife picked a solid winner for once in her life. Ya feel me, lad?

>>18730029
It's also very likely it's the place where physical information is destroyed permanently.

>>18730029
>he believes the (((official))) story
black holes puncture physical reality and allow one to go directly to God's dimension. No matter or information returns because no one wants to come back from it, just as one would never wish to leave Heaven.

>>18730029
Even if you're ESL that comment is retarded. A black hole could weigh the same as the earth. It's not mass that makes a black hole, it's density.
He's calling you dense

>>18730029
>too stupid to understand how you're being insulted
So this is the power of Dostochads.

>>18725790
All the Russians are extremely overrated and except for Chekhov

>>18730243
What about a hero of our time by lermontov?

>>18727635
I went Notes>C&P>TBK>Idiot>Demons
I think you should read Notes and C&P before reading TBK at least but saving TBK for last is probably beneficial as well. All of his ideas and characters are present in TBK in some form or fashion.