/lit/ - Literature

Jewish race mixing and their evil plot to create Christianity as revenge for the destruction of the second temple. Their eventual goal is the creation of Israel, BBC subjugation of all white males, and Human Instrumentality as described in the Kabbalah.

>>18718655
Basically moving everything the made the Roman Empire the Roman Empire to Constantinople and letting Rome itself degrade into irrelevance.

A multitude of internal and external factors that slowly contributed on undermining the foundations of the empire over centuries.

>>18718669
But they still had a Western capital in Mediolanum and Ravenna.

>>18718655
More /his/ than /lit/, but in no particular order:
>Lead pipes
>Military overextension (esp. with Persian Wars)
>Political intrigue and instability
>Unchecked immigration from Germanic tribes which did not integrate (in my view, the most significant factor, but it was the result of various prior failings)
>Christianity, which dissolved the religious backing of imperial institutions

>>18718655
>Caused
Ishygddt

>>18718683
Oh I meant to post this in /his/ my bad

>>18718655
>causes the leaf in flames to burn away?
Fools

>>18718655
>What causes the leaf in flames to burn away?
Fools

Accomodating women and femininity has caused the downfall of every civilization in history.
It's all so tiresome

>>18718655
gay sex

>>18718655
Lack of established succession system.

>>18718655
German apes

>>18718655
- Invasions by Germanic hordes of people
- The general malaise of the people
- The decadence of the ruling classes
- Multiculturalism to the point there were barely any actual Romans left
- The growing influence of Christianity
- Loss of civic virtue
- A collapsing and no longer workable economy. "The economy of the Empire was a plunder - economy based on looting existing resources rather than producing anything new."
- Excessive taxation spurred by a huge and overweening military budget
- A decline in agriculture; deforestation which led to drought; withdrawal of land from agriculture. Small farmers driven onto the dole; the elite who owned vast tracts of land tilled by slaves were exempt from taxation.
- A decline in the production of exportable goods; discouragement of entrepreneurialism; discouragement of technical innovation
- Unsound economic policies (maybe the most key factor)
- The debasement of the currency
- Crop failures
- Disease

>>18718713
Except no. Your ruler have always been meteoric and destined to crash and burn. INHERENTLY fragile. A L W A Y S.
The so-called feminine, but in fact pluralistic, rules of the people, democracy, tribal elders etc. held for millennias, as they knew how to break apart and rejoin. Sand, not stones

>>18718713
Exactly, Gynocentrism is the AIDS of all civilizations

>>18718733
Fragile ball-thinkers. At least it’s a comedy

>>18718655
Ethnic replacement, first within the army (Punic Severan ascendency), then the leadership (the Punic emperor Septimius Severus), then the citizenry (edict of the Punic Caracalla granting citizenship to all freemen in the Empire). Once the Roman's ceased to fight their own wars, and became too rich and successful to want to serve, and decided to contract out the organs of power to outsiders, who once they gained a beachhead of power ended the Latin ethno-nature of a citizen-elite, it was over.

>>18718729
>>18718748
Guys, I don't like these parallels you're making.

>>18718741
(((Graeber)))
(((Wengrow)))

>>18718731
>democracy
Doesn't work. A strongman (sovereign) arises, but -unlike actual monarchy- informally hides behind other people's backs (i.e. you get no fucking feedback)

>held for millennias
Held no culture

>>18718773
yes, germanoids ruin everything, beware

>>18718783
>(((sovereign)))
Normal people shouldn’t fall to their knees to kiss these degenerates anymore. They’re asking to be killed. Give them this wish.

>no culture
We can still write, make music, movies whatever. No reason to believe it would all go back to prehistoric times. No shame if it did, I just don’t believe it would.

people like Butterfly.

>>18718703
can u elaborate?

>>18718812
>((()))
Butters wtf

They were dumbasses who weren't fit or capable to have that large a population in the first place. The Germanics were a much smaller population than Rome which BTFO'd them after they failed to colonize them. Almost all other ancient civilizations were superior to Rome in every way.

>>18718655
>constant civil war
>successive poor emperors
>unchecked Visigoth immigration in 378
>rhine freezing in 410
>splitting empire into 2
>no stable system post constantine
Combination of factors which chipped away, its amazing it didnt fall when the empire split into 3 during the 3rd century crisis

>>18718830
People like me are the only salvation. Stop kissing their boots and bring this terror on all our heads

>>18718852
do you have any idea how circular that is? we need a sustainable monarchy, like japan had. I don't want a war less track record, just a culture that is not neurotic about the grasp for power. If it is in the blood, the nobility can have their game of houses and intrigue, and the peasantry and merchant classes can live in relative purity. Also... I was just joshing you.

Democracy and freedom is just a farce in the end, as much as I'd love to believe in it. China will probably rule for the longest in human history.

>>18718773
Don't worry, the US will outlive you as a zombie even after it ends. The people of Rome larped for hundreds of years as if the Western Roman Empire still existed after its conquest by Goths and Lombards.
>It is not known exactly when the Roman senate disappeared in the West, but it appears to have been in the early seventh century - it is last attested in 603, when the Gregorian register records that it acclaimed new statues of Emperor Phocas and Empress Leontia, and in 630 the Curia Julia was converted into a church (Sant'Adriano al Foro) by Pope Honorius I, which suggests that the Senate had ceased to meet there some time previously. The title senator did continue to be used in the Early Middle Ages (it was held by Crescentius the Younger (d.998) and in its feminine form senatrix by Marozia (d.937), to give two prominent examples) but in this period it appears to have been regarded as a title of nobility and no longer indicated membership of an organized governing body.

>>18718894
There's global warming and related crises to contend with now. If China wins, they won't last very long before sea level rise and natural disasters force them to turn inwards. I think we are headed for Bronze Age Collapse 2.0

>>18718852
>bringing* this terror on all our heads

>>18718894
No. Why don’t you see the idiotic circular crisis this has always been? These things spring up like zombies and kill everyone and when we grow like trees cracking concrete, you try to kill them all over again. Wake up. There are better alternatives to these monsters.

>>18718918
Give it up butterfly, you can't defeat me. I am an unavoidable product of human social nature.

>>18718812
>Normal people shouldn’t fall to their knees to kiss these degenerates anymore
Nowadays, you have a group of bland faceless politicians, who kindly offer you to choose between 4-5 acceptable opinions (instead of just one).
If you happen to have an opinion that is different from those 4-5 acceptable ones, - well, sucks to be you. Majority of cattle is ordered to vote only for those. Majority doesn't have your expertise/motivation to care to choose anything aside of those. Cattle does what it is told.

Meaning, that whoever constructs the choice, rules the cattle. Meaning, there IS a sovereign (maybe several, an oligarchy), the problem is: nowadays you just can't DETECT him. Can't have feedback. And will passively accept the same amount of ass-fucking.

>We can still write, make music
That's hippie shit. You can't build aqueducts or pyramids democratically.

>>18718655
>we wuz rome n shietz

>>18718909
Global warming is a job for science, so it hardly matters who is actually in power as long as they keep funding the science. We could be completely off natural gas by 2030. China is massive they could make it work.
>>18718918
What is the alternative? I don't argue against the circular nature of empires but it seems like a natural thing we have to deal with. At least for now.

>>18718655
money & bitches

>>18718909
world isn't ending child

>>18718970
>Global warming is a job for science, so it hardly matters who is actually in power as long as they keep funding the science. We could be completely off natural gas by 2030. China is massive they could make it work.
You are underestimating the difficulty of resolving climate change. It's not enough to simply stop emissions (which would be hard enough), but we also need to somehow clean up what has already been emitted.

>>18719005
The world will be fine, it's human civilization which is finished.

>>18718655
Jews unironically

UNITEDSTATES IS PHŒNICEICAL, NOT ROMAICAL; UNITEDSTATES IS AKIN TO CARTHAGO, NOT TO ROMA.

That meme was made by an american. They are the only people stupid enough to buy into their arrogant, self-consoling story of being the heir of the Roman Empire while being more aligned with ancient Sodom.
>>18718666
Here we can, again, appreciate the american intellect in all its brilliance.

>>18718933
Except it isn’t human. Ya damn zombie worshiper.
(But I see you’re playing)

>>18718965
>describes the delusion
Art has always existed it won’t go away. The preservation of it was new, why would it go away? Why is that a hippie notion? Dumb.

>>18718970
We have to relearn our actual origins and reach people. Huge task, but it’s why I read what I do.

>>18718812
>No reason to believe it would all go back to prehistoric times.
There is more reason to believe than not to actually.

>>18719142
>>18719172
The USA is unique in history, an experimental nation with a lot of different ideas still being fought over. It has no basis in history, it is a parasite on history. It is a blueprint to be copied in parts, avoided in parts, for the future of our human race in space. Perhaps it would be better if the Revolutionary War had been lost. My ancestors were tories, and I find it is in my blood to look at the British Empire as the pinnacle of human western endeavor. But it was perverted by German aggression to forgo its own magnificence in a state of self hatred and war weariness. The great Teutonic wave broke against Anglo hearts, and the result was a rise in "modern"istic, liberal values. Values for a new age, where this parasite on history, The USA, could wheel and deal in the supremacy of moralistic crusades. Without an evil to be contrasted against, the great American Experiment would be the story of the CIA in the lower Americas. The story of Drug laws and wars on its own peoples. The story of Mixing and Grandstanding. Who is to blame for this whore of nations, who is beautiful, but ridden with syphilis? this mad madame, this gory business women of her own people's tragedy.

>>18718723
Wrong

>>18719194
There isn’t. You fear people deciding things by themselves will lead to a complete abandonment of electricity, printed words and a desire to sing and dance? You’re dumb.

Fucking tripfags ruin everything

Butters, gain some self awareness, you have no reason for a tripcode other than satisfying your own selfish vanity, you come into a community but can't even respect its basic codes of conduct, you think you're above it but contribute nothing of worth to justify your cancerous qualities, you should go to Reddit where they'll appreciate your attention whoring and harebrained opinions, they'll reward you there for constantly reminding everyone that you're a woman, because women are just wonderful.

>>18719258
>why can’t we delude ourselves for three hundred posts without the answer to the OP? RWWWWWWWYYYYYYY

>>18719258
>>18719269
How about you confront ideas in a thoughtful argument instead of the pointless ad hominem? This is worse than merely tripfagging because you're actively shittying things up and stifling discussion. Being anonymous is an option not a requirement.

>>18718666
>Literally a satanic post
Return to hell, demon

>>18719223
>the future of our human race in space

>>18718683
>Christianity, which dissolved the religious backing of imperial institutions
I feel this is debatable. The huge concentration of pagan influence in the west side and especially Rome was one of the main factors for Constantinus to move the capital from the west to the east side of the Empire.
Besides that, I agree with most of your post

>>18719294
hahahaha he replied

Fucking tripfags ruin everything

>>18718729
>- The growing influence of Christianity
I find it interesting that so many people call out Christianity, when the traditional Pagan religions had been in decline for years at that point

>>18718909
>I think we are headed for Bronze Age Collapse 2.0
You say that as if it is a bad thing

>>18719588
Honestly, it will probably be a good thing for humanity as a whole in the long run. It will be very bad for you and I though, which is why I would rather not see it happen.

>>18719010
>human civilization which is finished.
Not finished, temporarily extinguished

>>18718655
Christcucks and Krauts, no civilization can survive them.

>>18719645
Not like the Empire was already in decline, economic problems, conflicts with the visigoths and corrupt aristocracy that did not care about the empire.

>>18719645
>It was the Krauts and the Christians!
>Not the famines, degradation of morals and traditional culture, the massive wealth inequality, the citizens being turned into Serfs, all the political intrigue, the floundering economy, the simultaneous multi front wars or plagues.

>>18719566
Yeah. They are quite ignorant of that aspect.

>>18718835
he cannot, due to the fact that is an incoherent statement.

>>18719645

>>18719645
>Merkel
Let's be honest here, the Europeans did this to themselves. No one forced them to join the EU.

>>18719645
>Let's ignore emperors Honorius and Arcadius being complete fuck-ups, getting rid of Stilicho, and blame Alaric for everything
love historylets' naive indolence

>>18718703
>t(y)ranny

>>18718909
>sea level rise
Ironically China is in the best position, since they have Tibet

>>18720234
Anon, I...
Bro no one lives in Tibet, all the important cities on the coast are what is endangered.

>They can all just move
With the exception of Bangladesh and the Netherlands, that's true for every country. But moving hundreds of millions of people inland is still a huge undertaking and a major disaster.

>>18719588
>Island tribes warring over sunken technology and pseudo-religious holy sites
B-b-b-based

>>18720452
>Island tribes
When the fuck was that even mentioned?

>>18719896
Why is Mosley always used for these memes? He seems like one of the more based anglos from a german perspective.

The fact that it was partitioned and was overtaken by two different growing and vital cultural groups (first the Germanics and then the Muslims). If it was merely usurped by simple barbarians (and there already were foreign dynasties) in effect, I think the histiography would resemble China. But because the culture and original institutions themselves declined, and all the proclaimed successors at a point had dubious connections (the HRE, the Turks), being Roman ceased to mean anything.

>>18718909
>I think we are headed for Bronze Age Collapse 2.0
>tfw not born after it all
Fuvking hell. I wonder what it will be like afterwards. I just hope that humanity is better and not shackled more than we already are.

>>18718666
>Jewish race mixing and their evil plot to create Christianity.
Jews hated Christians way more than Romans did.

>>18719094

>>18718666
Dang, Satan. That's pretty spot on

>>18718655
Timothy sat on it and it broke.

>>18720810
It really isn't.
The digits only confirm Jewish tricks

>>18720772
As with all religious groups. Jews are just more crafty and clever than the rest.

>>18720476
Because it's an Anti-White meme. That's the point. It's on the same level as
>Hitler was Gay and Jewish so you're actually gay and Jewish if you don't like Jews
The point isn't to make sense, it's just to get people to never hold meaningful political opinions. It's the same as the snownigger meme: sure Germanics put a man on the moon, invented electricity, have pushed human understanding of how the universe works to its limits, and then military conquered the globe, but none of that matters and you're not allowed to be proud of that or want to defend the results of that because they were at one time "snowniggers" and lived in "mudhuts" (the pictures of which are from Africa or whatever).

>>18718666
Shut up Satan

>>18720772
>>18719094
indeed

>>18720810
>Falling for Satan lies
May as well convert to judaism, anon

>>18720829

>>18720858
The Jews are just the worst.
If, or rather when, SHTF and the West goes tits up, I hope the Jews get exterminated completely for their troubles

>>18720473
When I fucked your dad in his gaping asshole
>B-b-b-based

>>18718666

I know I'm late, but the second temple wasn't destroyed until about 40 years after Christ was killed.

>>18718666
fpbp

>>18718655
>Conflict between the Emperor and the Senate

>Weakening of the emperor’s authority (after Christianity the Emperor was no longer seen as a god)

>Political Corruption – there was never a clear-cut system for choosing a new emperor, leading the ones in power to “sell” the position to the highest bidder.

>Money wasting – the Romans were very fond of their prostitutes and orgies and wasted a lot of money on lavish parties, as well as their yearly “games”

>Slave labor and price competition – Large, wealthy farm owners used slaves to work their farms, allowing them to farm cheaply, in contrast to smaller farmers who had to pay their workmen and could not compete price wise. Farmers had to sell their farms, leading to high unemployment figures.

>Economical Decline – After Marcus Aurelius, the Romans stopped expanding their empire, causing in a decrease of gold coming into the empire. The Romans however kept spending, causing coinmakers to use less gold, decreasing the value of money.

>Military spending – Because they wasted so much money and had to defend their borders all the time, the Government focused more on military spending than building houses or other public works, which enraged the people. Many stopped volunteering for the army, forcing the government to employ hired mercenaries, who were expensive, highly unreliable and ended up turning against the Roman Empire.

>A stop in technological advancement – The Romans were great engineers, but did not focus on how to produce goods more effectively to provide to their growing population.

>The Eastern Empire – The Roman Empire was divided in a Eastern and Western empire that drifted apart, making the empire easier to manage, but also weaker. Maybe the empire’s rapid expansion was its own downfall in the end.

>Civil War and Barbarian Invasion – Civil war broke out in Italy and the smaller Roman army had to focus all of its attention there, leaving the borders wide open for the barbarians to attack and invade. Barbarian bandits made travel in the empire unsafe and merchants could not get goods to the cities anymore, leading to the total collapse of the empire

https://www.historyonthenet.com/romans-the-rise-and-fall-of-roman-empire

>>18718655
Turks

>>18718666
fpwp

>>18718666
>my drunk shitpost with satan trips is somehow not even the worst take ITT

>>18718666
pretty much this and trip 6 confirms the synagogue of satan is at work here

>>18718666
>weeb garbage
>believes in the white race
>muhh jooos

read more books

>>18721203
I dont beleive in the jewish race, take your meds racist

>>18721211
But they do. Hell you gotta prove it to get into Israel.

>>18721211
sure, but you can´t deny that jewish ethnicity exists, that´s why they have their own state

jewish conspiracy is scapegoat for people who doesn´t know that the current sociopolitical environment we live today is because of the US, Cold War and Anglosaxon Liberalism and Philosophy, so read more books

>>18718729
>no more romans left

fuck off /pol/ tard - Rome's cultural and population centers weren't in the cro-magnon West but in Syria and Egypt

>>18721240
>hurr durrr I am smart
You are a retard and have no clue wtf is going on or why

>>18721240
>the fucktard that was calling everyone schizo for even discussing conspiracies not even 6 months ago is now the expert and gonna teach all you goy what is REALLY happening!

>>18721391
i know the genesis of it

>>18721398
different person mate

>>18718733
Read Leo Strauss's chapter on this in Socrates and Aristophanes. That'll get you much farther than claptrap meme images.

>>18721499
Well considering the royal family are jews, you just arent real bright are you friend? Keep up the reading though but try going back a few more 1000 years. The amarna is a good place to start

>>18721571
*amarna letters

>>18719566
It's not that Christianity is bad or something but that it just that it challenged and then weakened before replacing the traditional religious and social foundations of Rome which in turn weakened Rome. Christianity than gave birth to a new culture and civilization. You can't just destroy or replace the foundational values of a society and expect that it isn't going to destabilize it, no matter how noble and great these new values you have are.

>>18721339
When exactly did he say they weren't?

>>18718655
Americans, even American presidents, would be viewed as plebs of the lowest order by the Roman Patriciate.

>>18720762
That's why they created it. It's like giving bread to your enemies.

>>18718666
>that get
>that bait
10/10 if intentional. Otherwise meh.

>>18718655
Pretty sure germans

>>18718683
>Lead pipes
Really? The Greeks used copper lol.

According to the fate of empires and the search for survival, we are in the final phases of the american empire. Like many empires this is characterized by a fall from the morals, courage and spiritual that made the empire in the first place. An increase in woman involvement in politics and law, endless intellectual discussion that end in no action, and over immigration in the main cities creating disunity is also mentioned to be seen across many empires.

I am not completely sure what to think of it. If any anon has read it too, and can debase some of its observations, im all ears. I do think such a vague cycle exist in many other societies. Even nazi germany, or meiji japan, or modern south korea and china, seem to have a vague resemblense for as far as some of them came.

>>18718683
Western empire was more pagan than the east, which is what ultimately caused it collapse.

>>18723044

>>18719645
Why not both? The German barbarians like Alaric and his the Goths were Christian anyway. In fact Roman Christians often praised the German barbarians for being more devout Christians than Romans.

>>18723045
It’s true. Rome was still a pagan hellhole. On the other hand, Constantinople was firmly and proudly a Christian city. Despite eastern empire having more religious turmoil and disputes (and the western Roman Empire having none since they didn’t care about Christianity), having to face the Sassanids in the east and the barbarians in the west, the eastern empire held on longer because their faith in Christ gave them a purpose while pagans in the west had no feelings of purpose. This is why they ultimately got defeated by Christians barbarians like the Goths and Vandals who had a purpose and stronger faith in Christ.

>>18720772
A made up quote. Nice try.

>>18721083
>after Christianity the Emperor was no longer seen as a god)

Ha? Romans never cared about their emperors being Gods or else they wouldn’t have constantly been assassinated by the praetorian guards. The problem is after Christianity is that emperors got too powerful and people refused to assassinate even when they were shitty like they used to in the past.

>>18718655
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great#Foundation_of_Constantinople