/lit/ - Literature

Always has been.

>>18712378
Barthes was right on the money in his Critcism and Truth, when he said critics of yore treated the author like their father figure and wanted his approval because they were too scared to make their own mind and only have the text to guide them. And while I have problems with his The Death of Author, it still has plenty of merit and Barthes needs to be read a lot more in non-linguistic circles.

>>18713387
>Barthes needs to be read a lot more in non-linguistic circles.
he is entry level literary theory in the English department

>>18713394
He's is entry level literary theory pretty much anywhere I imagine, I know I had to read him, but I meant that people should read his works in general outside of the scope of their studies.

>>18712378
False. the text is a text and the author is the one that writes. Debate me if you think I'm wrong, lefty.

>>18713423
>lefty
Walk on home, ya twat.

>>18713438
>ya twat
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>>18713457
Why are you here?

>>18713462
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>>18713474
What are your thoughts on Rolan Barthes and his work that pertains to literary theory?

>>18713494
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>>18713504
So you aren't hear to discuss Barthes and his works, huh?

>>18713509
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>>18713504
average "nooo, the text is subordinated to the author fan, its basic common sense!" fan
>>18713509
average Barthes enjoyer, who understands that the function of the author is discursive in itself

>>18713509
my interpretation of your text makes me think you are talking about a homosexual penguin

>>18713509
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>>18713394
Nta, yes he's entry level, but more people still need to read him. I can still remember my intro course almost 10 years ago, the non-majors saying shit like "But the author is still alive and he says....." still missing the point entirely. They take one look at the title of his most famous essay and draw all these silly conclusions. Remember when Ray Bradbury said F451 was about TV and everybody ate it up? The public still believes that "what the author intended" is a valid criticism, an objective fact, or both.

>>18712378
BTFO and refuted by Jesús G. Maestro in his magnus opus.

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>>18713515
Virgin fags
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Chad Jesús G. Maestro readers

>>18713523
>The public still believes that "what the author intended" is a valid criticism, an objective fact, or both.
I don't know why both views can't exist at the same time. Do English majors just ignore the historical context and write "their truth"?
During undergrad, 10 years ago, this is what we were using. A book full of scholarship containing historical context and major events that affected like the author. For example, can one truly understand Swift's satirical writings like A Modest Proposal without knowing the specific things he referencing and reacting towards?

>>18713561
Stupid nigger.

>>18713580
i interpret this as you flirting with me but im not gay

>>18713561
Historical context is valid, there is even a school dedicated to historical interpretation, but such context does not equate to authorial intent. As for whether or not intent is an objective fact--anyone who has ever written anything literary knows this--what is intended and what is written are not close kin. The writing takes on its own breath and reflexes, becoming, like Frankenstein's creature, an entity between life and death--a sentient, unpredictable shadow.

>>18713561
I forget who it is, but someone said both Picard and Barthes went too far on the extreme end of things with their stances. No, the author shouldn't be worshipped and treated as deity, nor should you come to him pleading for an explanation that will make you get everything so you wouldn't have to think on your own and draw your own conclusions based on the clues the author left you in his work. Then again, as much as I see his point in saying that once the work is out of the author's hands and that he loses authority over any claim to the one and only correct reading, if we're talking about the actual greats, then they largely do have a final say in quite a bit and knew full well what they were doing and have thought about it on about a hundred different levels compared to you or any critic out there that wants to pretend he knows better than the author. I am of the opinion that Death of the Author should not be treated as a total finality, but that you should abide by it to a certain degree where it doesn't limit or have a toll on your own opinion and experience of the work. What hte author says about his intentions, goals and reasoning can be helpful and can throw you in the right direction, but you should never treat it as if it was the only way to look at it.

>>18713625
>such context does not equate to authorial intent.
Ah ok so anything goes in terms of interpretation and scholars of this dogmatic school can write endless tomes of nonsense. For example, Coleridge, who was reading Plato and Neo-Platonists heavily during his youth and even praised and wrote about them extensively in his middle age, was writing about geology in his poems because that is my personal creation from reading. The Ancient Mariner for example is about a moose looking for cheese.

>>18713672
Why are French intellectuals like this?

>>18713672
Totally schizophrenic post. Ghosts on the wall tier. More red herrings than a cannery. get a grip

>>18713423
The author's privilege is to be the first reader and therefore the first critic of his work, which doesn't mean that his opinion on his own work is more valid than someone else's.

>>18713705
Yes, yes, I do believe the moon is made out of celery too. I also think that Virginia Woolf was not talking about the intellectual constraints placed upon women in the early 20th ce in her novel The Voyage Out but about how sharks living in space.

>>18713705
Yes, yes, I do believe the moon is made out of celery too. I also think that Virginia Woolf was not talking about the intellectual constraints placed upon women in the early 20th ce in her novel The Voyage Out but about sharks living in space.

>>18713717
>which doesn't mean that his opinion on his own work is more valid than someone else's.
but it does

>>18713738
free advice: nobody will take you seriously until you take yourself seriously. That's all, goodbye.

>>18713761
Farewell and have fun spinning yarns of shit!

>>18713746
Argument(s) plox?

>>18713790
How would a person that came up with all of that not know better than a random schmuck picking it up for the first time?