/lit/ - Literature

First for Throne of Glass!

>>18699069
>want to read the Westmark Trilogy
>books 2 and 3 are sold out pretty much everywhere
Don't "Abebooks" me, "good" condition means that the book is falling apart.

>no fire and blood vol 2
>won't ever read the story about Daeron (aka: Alexander the great of Westeros)

It's over.

Any hunting of a big leviathan in SFF?

>>18699087
Is AbeBooks even any good for worldwide shipping?

>>18699115
Depends on the seller; it’s like eBay but for old books.

>>18699087
>Westmark Trilogy
There’s brand new editions on eBay. Did you want first editions or something?

>>18696721
Not fantasy, but in the domain of science fiction The War Against the Chtorr is the most extreme case I'm aware of. The last book was published in 1993, almost thirty years ago. Gerrold, the author, claimed that both the 5th and the 6th book were nearing completion in 2017. Lo and behold, he was full of shit and there is still nothing four years later.

But I actually think it's probably for the best that Chtorr remains dead and unfinished. Gerrold was already an insufferable faggot back in the 80's who almost ruined the amazing premise of the series by making nearly every major character an unlikeable degenerate. The main protagonist, the guy you're supposed to root for, is a pedophile openly lusting after twinks despite being married to a woman. I'd rather not imagine how emboldened Gerrold must feel nowadays. What can you really expect from a gay Jew? And the guy who developed the Chtorran ecology for Gerrold, which is the main appeal of the series, died two years ago.

Regardless Gerrold is still stringing people along and claiming he's writing on the series. He's also GRRM's senior by five years although presumably not nearly as fat. Place your bets if either of them will ever put out another entry of their respective magnum opus.

>>18699069
What are these shitty thread themes? They never seem to be relevant and all have one thing is common.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8g18jFHCLXk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8g18jFHCLXk

>>>/tv/153942777
>>>/tv/153942777

>>18699724
>/tv/ reeeeeing and saying they won't watch it because there's a mutt and a black it
maybe they're not so different from us after all; we refuse to read shit by NK Jewisen and they refuse to watch movies with Zendeya in them

fuck you bigots seriously

>>18699575
I'm just disappointed thread question has disappeared.

>>18699862
>>>/r/eddit

>>18699724
>>18699855
I want to fuck Zendaya so fucking hard.

>>18699871
Why? They were almost always entirely ignored anyway.

Dunerino

>>18699855
Every interest board on this site is exactly the same but with the subject changed, and I wouldn't want it any other way.

Sex books

>>18700557
>Her eyes were red, she almost cried, her sadness was evident.
How can anyone read this “writing?” A disgrace to the idea of prose… Chinkshit spammers are invariably low-IQ.

Maglor, Son of Fëanor, mighty singer… a true Erratic

>>18699108
check this one out, I enjoyed it quite a bit

anyone have any good nautical/marine bio related SF recommendations?

grimACE

>>18700702
>mirrorshades
The story Til Human Voices Wake Us in that is marine bio centered, but the protag gets a bad end. I've been thinking about taking it to write my own sort of version, as practice, but I'm too lazy to write for myself.

>>18699855
>did you know there were niggers in 12th century sweden
netflix pls stop
>and they were very well educated
i just want to watch a show
>and openly gay
...

>>18700814
as much as you dislike it, all of those things were true. there were unquestionably black african moors in northern europe by the end of the 12th C., and some of them no doubt practiced some form of “alternative” sexuality. it’s historic fact.

>>18700831
Even if that's true (doubtful), I don't want to see or hear about it. I read fiction to escape from how shit the real world is. There's no need to make it worse.

>>18700831
not that they were hard coded racially, but weren't moors largely North African/arab looking?

I feel like the moors get the treatment from the kang crowd that ancient Egyptians get(they looked like just like black west Africans) but with less pushback since moor is a somewhat antiquated term/there isn't a history with massive monuments like Egypt/no modern moorish nation(tho it's funny people literally believe that black kang moors taught europeans how to bathe and invented soap, usually coming from people who smell like they have yet to discover soap personally)

What do we think of Hugh Howey? First one of The Wool series was good one. There was also this sand world thingy which started of well and then died. Do i need to read anything else from him?

Brandon Sanderson Brandon Sanderson Brandon Sanderson Brandon Sanderson Brandon Sanderson

>Just like Shakespeare stands at the center of Bloom’s canon and looms over the entirety of English literature from then to now, so does Tolkien stand at the center of western fantasy literature’s canon
Tolkienfags get the rope, dicks out of Sara J. "stick it in my ass" Maas

Wheel of Time news coming tomorrow at comic con.
Am I the only one on this godforsaken website who gives a shit?

>>18700697
Shit is very fucking sad. Tolkien a real one for this. Also Bakker a real one for stealing the idea.
(Please reply to me with all Bakker memes you guys have, I’m shilling Bakker to my boys and need good material. Thanks.)

>>18701201
Why would you be excited at the televised rape of something you presumably enjoy?
Stick to books, fewer Jews around.

Reminder to read this book.

>>18701201
I'm going to do my best to ignore this series because every new thing I hear about it makes me angrier.

>>18701307
I don't believe a few race swaps significantly alters the source material. And what teeny tiny snippets we received so far looks kind of good.
You know the old saying "hope for the best, prepare for the worst"? That's how I'm approaching this right now. I'm hoping it's going to be good.

>>18701292

>>18701333
They’ve already confirmed they’re changing rand’s romances to not be a harem, and are going to change other character arcs to be less “sexist”. The writing is on the wall.

>>18701333
What has looked good? Literally everything I've seen has looked shit. Rand’s sword and Mat’s dagger both look fucking terrible, cast are niggers and the show runner is a mormon born faggot.
It’s gonna blow, anon.

>>18701201
>news
>about a show that's been in development hell for like 4 fucking years
Can't wait.

>>18701333
They've made substantial changes to the story, including removing entire locations, characters, and events. Last I heard, Caemlyn will not even be in the show, and probably none of the characters introduced there.

Guys whats the name of that classic fantasy series that is still unfinished and fans have been waiting longer than ASOIF for the final book, with promises from the author that its almost done on his facebook (the author is a boomer) ? Someone mentioned it here a few threads back. Can anyone help?

>>18701374
>They’ve already confirmed they’re changing rand’s romances to not be a harem
Thanks, you have just dissuaded me from ever watching so much as one episode. Is there even a single story telling medium left in the West that doesn't primarily cater to the sensibilities of middle aged Karens?

>>18701374
He says he believe in polyamory rather than polygamy. Whatever that's supposed to mean. But he says he's not gutting out the harem entirely.

Also, the harem parts were always the worst aspect of the books. Have you gone back and re-read Aviendha&Elayne's first sister bonding ceremony thing? It's incredibly cringe. And then Rand is barely anywhere near Elayne for the majority of the series, save for a few meetings. Yet somehow they're magically in love? It's the stupidest shit ever. If Rafe wants to change the dynamic somewhat, I'm fine with that. Perhaps his version of events will be less cringy.

>>18701410
Not development hell. They've just been putting out news on the show since before the first episode was written. It takes a lot of planning before shooting even begins. And then the pandemic made shooting difficult, but apparently they still pulled it off and plan to release it this year maybe.(Though the lack of promotion is concerning)

>>18701436
Imagine my surprise that one of the longest written novels in the world will see cuts in the series adaptation. How could they!

>>18701534
See >>18699573

>>18701553
>He says he believe in polyamory rather than polygamy
It's a massive red flag. In real life polyamory entails a reverse harem more often than not, or alternately a tangle of people in open relationships. If he's using that word, better prepare your anus for Rand being turned bisexual and some third party cumming inside his girls with his permission.

>>18701553
>>18701436
Wait, what's this?
>The Wheel of Time Q&A informs us that the show will significantly condense the journey that Rand and Mat undertake in the first book. The duo from Emond’s Field visit approximately 20 locations in the book, and that was not feasible to include in one season. The trip will mostly occur along Caemlyn Road, where most of the pivotal events for them occur. Rafe says that some minor characters may be combined but there will be few “nutso” combinations “just for the sake of it.” There will be some new characters that will be composite characters from smaller roles from the book.

If there's no Caemlyn, then why is there a Caemlyn road?

>>18700847
kys

>>18701588
I suppose it could mean that. It wouldn't be polyamory if it were completely on sided.
But I don't think they're going for the game of thrones audience. There probably won't be any sex scenes in the show. But if I were to hazard a guess, I'd assume that Min wouldn't become an instant Rand devotee. Perhaps she has a man of her own at first, but then over time comes to love Rand. Remember, Min is just some street wise girl and older than Rand too. She's probably had lovers before him.

A more optimistic guess would be that the girls are as much into each other as they are with Rand. So it's not so much "we love Rand", as it is "We love each other and Rand". So they're not sister wives. But wive-wives. Get my meaning?

>>18700557
based

>>18701678
>A more optimistic guess would be that the girls are as much into each other as they are with Rand.
Not going to happen. That's still pandering to a straight male audience and therefore problematic. There is no shortage of men who like the idea of fucking "lesbians," or more accurately speaking, bisexual women. Rand is going to be a cuckold and a gay bottom to make the tale properly progressive. And don't forget that Rafe Judkins is not only a generic left liberal, for he wouldn't have gotten the director's seat otherwise, he's also a literal faggot. Do you think he's gonna pass up the opportunity to rewrite WoT to include as much gay content as he can get away with? Not bloody likely.

>>18701553
>Imagine my surprise that one of the longest written novels in the world will see cuts in the series adaptation
If you can't do the series justice don't bother.

>>18701806
Ya know anon... You're making it very difficult to hold on to hope. But I'm still gonna! I want this to be good so much! If they do make Rand bisexual or a cuck then I'd be greatly disappointed. I don't care if the Aiel buttfuck each other until the cows come home. But Making Rand some fae wife sharing cuck would crush me.

Still, I'm going to give the show a chance. There's no point in ignoring it on some cuck scenario we made up in our minds. If/when it happens, then that'll be the day I drop the show.

>>18701593
Caemlyn will probably still exist, it just won't feature in the story at all. Somehow. They're essentially rewriting the entire plot. These cretins probably started off with "well we can't afford this many actors so we have to cut some roles," and then nobody objected so they just kept cutting and cutting and now what we have barely even resembles wheel of time.

>>18701553
So tiresome. Some hollywood hack isn't satisfied adapting a story and wants to write his own version of it.

>>18701557
Thanks for the response but its not The War Against the Chtorr, I am sure it was a fantasy series.

>>18701678
Min is going to be trans in the adaptation.

>>18701857
You're jumping to conclusions. Time would be tight, as there are only 8 episodes for Season 1. But they could fit an episode or two for Caemlyn. They would have to. It's such an important location. They could probably skip Baerlon or White Bridge. Both of those locations aren't necessary to featured in the show. Baerlon is where they meet Min for the first time. But they could just skip that meeting and make it happen in Caemlyn, since Min ends up there anyway. They can go straight from Two Rivers to Shadar Logoth then to Caemlyn. Cutting out two smaller cities and focusing on the important city.

I'm only speculating here. But there's no reason to think such an important location is cut out without evidence.

>>18701852
As long as there are consumers such as yourself we will never be rid of this shit.
There he goes, fucking your beloved IP fast and hard with nary any lube, and all you want to is to suck his cock after he finishes.
Amazing.

>>18702085
Why are people like you so black and white on issues? Why can't I hold a nuanced position, where I'm accepting of some changes, and not accepting of others? Why do I have to take all or nothing? Why can't I judge things based on their actions and not their appearances?

>>18702128
Faggot.

I got an ad for this, has anyone read it?

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>>18700702
The Scar by Mieville has some good stuff about sea monsters, body-modifications to give people gills and flippers, &c.

>>18701201
Will they address how Amazon plans to fix the Wheel of Time lore? The male-female dualism of the original work seems not only highly problematic but it's simply outdated too. Why should there be two sharply divided halves to the one power when gender is known to be a spectrum? What about trans representation? Shouldn't a man who decides to identify as female be able to wield the power without trouble? On the other hand a woman touching the male half of the power and going mad as a result would be a bad look. Amazon will need to address all this if they don't want to alienate millenial and Gen Z audiences.

>>18702128
Short answer:
Because you are a limp-wristed human doormat... in more ways than one.
Long answer:
Because whatever butchery is to be done to the source IP will not be "nuanced" or thought out or any of that shit.
Again, the reason we are even having this conversation is that you, and other poor saps like you, will always back down, with your "nuanced positions" no matter what happens.
Again amazing. To be so passive and so proud of it.

>>18702186
I said my position is nuanced. Not that the changes will be nuanced. I don't expect you to understand the difference though, since you want to play the bullheaded internet tough guy character.

If I'm ok with the changes, then I'm not being pushed over by them. I'm allowing them. And if I'm not ok with the changes, then I'll simply stop watching the show. It's not that hard.

>>18702158
Anon that cover is not even Artstation tier.
It's Deviantart tier. Which means that shit is beyond bad.

>>18702206

>>18702226
>Some /sffg/ nerd wants to be perceived as a hard ass who takes no shit from anyone by posting a manga reaction image.
Wow, you can tell he's a cool and tough character because he smokes.

>>18702261
We accept your surrender.

>>18702206
Nigga your position, and unfortunately I think this applies to more than just some shitty TV show, is to never, ever have a position.
Actually having a position, nuanced or otherwise, is something way too black and white, way too extreme, way too out there for someone like yourself.
You might feel some slight discomfort (actually having said position just might make you feel something other that mild annoyance and we can't have that) regarding whatever changes the corporate cult demands of the source material but, by Jove, you will watch that shit.
You will watch and you will defend your "nuanced position" on twatter or the water cooler.
Like a good consumer.

>>18702286
And by consumer I mean little bitch.
Little bitch with a nuanced position.

>>18701201
>>18701857
>>18702009
>still no announced cast for Elayne
what's taking them so damn long? there's no reason it should, other than the fact that she (and possibly Caemlyn) will feature in the next season.

Was Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings the last adaptation to truly and deeply respect the work it adapted? Sure they changed some things, but mostly owed to the constraints of the medium and never out of ideological considerations.

>>18702322
I don't know man.
I think Blade was pretty well done.

>>18702286
No I won't, reddit spacer.

>>18702312
Possibly so. Or it's possible that they want Elayne to be a surprise. Maybe Caemlyn is their biggest set, and they want to keep it under wraps until the actual premiere. But a second season Caemlyn seems fairly likely too.

>tfw can't get motivated to read anything, but also can't get into audiobooks for some reason

>>18702535
I think you should drop reading altogether for a while at least.
Take some physical hobby... like a contact sport.

>>18702535
My problem with audio books is that sometimes my concentration will slip for a moment or I get distracted and then I need to rewind which really annoys me. If my concentration slips while reading, just reading the last sentence again is much less of a hassle.

>>18702334
Didn't Blade 1&2 came before LotR? Trinity came after but it sucked.

A lot of these reads like "ha ha, wouldn't it be terrible if this happened?" then are very pleased wh when it turns out they are right and it is ruined. It reminds me of a cuckold fetish.

>>18702576
>contact sports
>pandemic
He'll become an hero for sure

>>18702699
Oh you're one of those.

>>18702707
As are you, of a different sort.

>>18701201
I'm here with you, brother.

>>18702322
Arwen was a political adaptation in the movie

>>18699115
where are you? Thriftbooks is good too.

>>18702322
Coraline and the Harry Potter movies were pretty good quality and straightforward adaptations, but Gaiman and Rowling had to throw their weight around a lot to get those done. LotR was probably the last time Hollywood could take a dead guy's work and not turn it into a Pride parade.

>Daniel Green hates funko pops with a passion
maybe he isn't so bad after all; WoT zealotry still iffy though

>>18702875
Mhmmm.

>>18700702
>anyone have any good nautical/marine bio related SF recommendations?

Startide Rising is arguably Brin's best work.
Stations of the Tide is utterly based.

>>18702322

Altered Carbon was pretty on-point imo. At least the first season...

Man, reading the history of Earwa is more fun than reading the actual books themselves lol

>>18703540
Are you referring to the appendices? For me, it’s Khellus swapping his heads for a laugh.

>>18700943
you make a very compelling argument

>>18702322
No.

>>18700702
>anyone have any good nautical/marine bio related SF recommendations?
Rifters trilogy. In a manner.

>>18702009
>>18702312
They said they are doing all of Eye of the World in one season and Elayne isn't in it, which means no Caemlyn. Would not be surprised if they end up removing all of Shienar too.

>>18702009
>Time would be tight, as there are only 8 episodes for Season 1.
So don't try to cram an entire book into it then. You only get 8 episodes so you decide to ruin a book instead of telling a good story? People like you and the show runners need to be banned from adapting books into other media. This is just more proof the people making this have no respect for Jordan or his work and just use it as a platform for their own ideas. Imagine of Jackson approached LotR with this kind of insufferable arrogance, imagine how much more terrible the LotR movies would've been, they would have wound up like the god awful Hobbit abominations.

>>18702717
There is only ever one kind of a pussy.

>>18700557
>>18700589
Chinkshitocide when?

>>18701374
I can't believe they are just opting out of capturing the anime audience. This is why Japan is King. The West doesn't even try to compete even when given the unique opportunity by Jordan.

https://voca.ro/1lC7t4CJAGdY

Might end it all lads

>>18705399
If you slash your wrists, do a cross, it’s more effective. Suicide bags are best. Don’t do the bathtub electrical appliance thing, it’ll only hurt a lot if it doesn’t just have a safety thing in built. Maybe OD on something if you have to.

>>18705330
You sound like Donald Duck trying unsuccessfully to take a shit.

>>18705427
https://voca.ro/18QAnuMJvB2P

The story in the chronicles of amber is quite good, the plot is interesting and the "world" is very interesting.
The writing is not that good tho, it breaks the 4th wall, the prose is kind of bad and it seems to try too hard to be cool by using "current" slang.
Which is a real shame.

Recommend me recent fantasy that doesn't have lgbt garbage

>>18705205
This not fully committing to what is essentially a power fantasy is a surefire way to fuck your story. You will still be pissing off moral busy bodies for "engaging in unhealthy representations of relahsinship/life/work" while not delivering on a fulfilling escapist fantasy. You will get heated either way so just do what you want for fucks sake, have your harem and have the girl be cute and loveable. Because, for sure, you will get shit on for a myriads of reasons either way.

>>18705623
Have you read the lyonesse?

>>18705612
Taking this into consideration is there any good fantasy/sci-fi recommendation? long lived humans posing as gods, that sort of thing.

>>18702322
This movies are fucking boring, the books no.

>>18705659
This but the opposite

Other than Accelerando, what are some books that deal with the Singularity?

>>18704284
>Xiuhanni Diabolus Ex Machina
what did he mean by this

>>18705628
>just do what you want for fucks sake
The faggot writer-director IS doing what he wants - rather than doing what the original target audience would want or what Jordan himself would have wanted for that matter. That's the problem in this case. Amazon didn't install him so that he'd despair over having to make concessions to the busybodies, they installed him because he doesn't respect Jordan's work anyway and wants to change it to suit his own tastes.

>>18705790
The fifth race of from across the mountains show up and kill everyone.

>>18705934
Fifth race of men*

>>18705834
Sure, I was more referring to an hypothetical author who was writing wish fulfillment stories(which is most of fantasy and sci-fi if we are being honest).
But you are right about this director, and I don't understand what these people are thinking. If you are going to fuck with a series like this it won't please the people who would like to see it in the first place, the people attracted by the name. In addition, if you are going to disregard the original authors work this blatantly why not just create a new story?

Sci-fi Books that don't make me feel like shit while reading them? goddam the culture series and it's holier than thou attitude and "humans and all their innate drives and aspirations are so stupid and bad" really pissed me off.

>>18706327
Blindsight, since it will explain how human consciousness is an evolutionary maladaption, meaning that your negative emotional states are meaningless.

>>18706477
...you realize I asked for the opposite of this right?

>>18705995
>if you are going to disregard the original authors work this blatantly why not just create a new story?
Always the same reason, these people are lazy vultures. It's much easier to turn a quick buck using a pre-existing IP that already has a fanbase and brand name recognition right out of the box. That way you can bamboozle unsuspecting passerby's who think to themselves "Wow, that's a popular IP with a lot of fans, surely it's worth watching" even as you gut it and piss off the very fans you use as bait.

>>18706505
That's the joke

>>18700557
this is terrible
why do people read this

>>18700557
>...looked around as his gaze paused...
>...her eyes were red, she almost cried, her sadness was evident...
>...nodded secretly...
I have no words

>>18705735
Haven't read the series yet, but I heard the Kefauchi Tract series deals with the singularity

>>18704651
Autistic prose.

>>18705643
That’s literally what Lord of Light is, and it’s great.

>>18706537

>>18702363
Decent bait, pretending to be a schizo always gets me.

>>18702158
advertising/begging

>fantasy book
>author tries too hard to come up with new names and it all sounds like gibberish
Looking at you, Bakker.

>>18699108
The doors of his face, the lamps of his mouth. One of the best short stories ever written

>>18707832
>>18707832

>Akksersia
>Sauglish
>Plains of Gāl
>Carythusal
>Invishi
>Ishterebinth
>Sakarpus
>Nihrimsül
>Golgotterath

I like Bakker's names. They sound strange, alien, and ancient, but at the same time seem to evoke our own world's history (as so much of his writing does).

>subtle baiting
Peace be upon you, Wolfe-fren.

I got filtered

>>18699069
This was not bad. I liked the setup more than the payoff, but still not bad. The second act twist made me cringe (two frens meet again) but that part did play out a bit better than I'd feared, and I liked that it proved to not be delusional and one-sided. But then and a few other times I felt the author was trying too hard and getting in the way of a great premise.

I have stared the sequel and while the highs aren't as high as in the first, it does seem to be more even and controlled. Unclear if that will hold up.

>>18706327
Heinlein is pretty upbeat...about cuckoldry.

Does anyone have that image making fun of sci fi stories? That one were some guy does a bunch of mundane stuff but full of technobabble sci fi jargon.

>>18700831
Moors aren't black as in niggers aka Sub-Saharan Africans. They're dark arabs.

>>18706327
>>18708340
Heinlein Juvies are legit upbeat and good stories. They don't aim as high as his adult works but they don't have that cringe element either.

>>18708468
If we're going to entertain juvies, we may as well go full Piers Anthony.

>Piers Anthony.
That is just YA shit mate, at least there is some depth in Heinlein's juvies.

>>18708466
Moors often travel with slaves in tow, which may be sub-Saharan, but they would be uneducated castratti, and nobody would be practicing open sodomy around there for another 800 years.

anyone know if tolkien imagined middle earth with smallpox, plague bacteria and rinderpest like real medieval europe?

>>18708563
Let it go, George.

>>18708562
I think muslims at least in periods had the greek view on homosexulity that it was okay as long as the one getting fucked was a lower status man

>>18708572
Yeah but the Swedes didn't think that shit was funny.

>>18708030
By what? It's Dune.

>>18708597
This, it's a sci-fi series with a mediocre star that gets progressively worse.

>>18708552
The Heinlein juvies have a wholesome Hitler Youth feel where the young man steps up and takes responsibility for the future and safety of his society and gains respect in return.

Is "The Doors of Stone" a psyop?

>>18708597
The concepts that are talked about were too complex for me. The story however was great and I enjoyed it.

>what was Aragon's tax policy
Why did this quote anger so many people?

>>18708765
they linger for an identity and so they go on a mistaken crusade to defend tolkien's honor against a man who sucks tolkien's catholic cock every time he get

>>18708572
Homosexuality is a grave sin in Islam, it was never tolerated in Muslim or Arab society. Certainly nothing like the Greeks

>>18708779
>something isn't permitted in a religion though
religion is a moral guideline and despite it being part of laws people sinned in crazy amounts, obviously sometimes ultra purists come about but they are extreme cases

>>18708779
what are you basing this on?
do you think religious christins and jews also follow their holy laws to point? if not, why only muslims?

>>18708792
Dont try and understand Islam or Arab culture using your Western millennial mentality. Homosexuality wasnt even accepted in the West until the past 50 years or so. We're only seeing degeneracy by Greek standards in the past decade.

>>18708779
You're out of your mind. Islam needed to threaten homosexuals with death because it was the only way to get them out of each other's butts. I live in NYC and in a lifetime here I haven't been hit on as often in a lifetime here as in a few months in the Islamic world. Thirsty, man. Thirsty.

Has there been any sci fi fantasy that responds to Greek/Roman classics? I remember seeing Varley’s angel-centaur war story, which feels a bit like Ovid.

What’s better, a ten book long story or ten books that stand alone but feature the same characters?

>>18709247
It depends on how well your write and ho consistent you get.

>>18709247
The ten book long story, assuming the writer has a clear vision where he wants to go and isn't just completely winging it from volume to volume. Also assuming he actually is willing and able to finish the ten books and doesn't pull a GRRM.

>>18709205
Bakker kind of feels like that, due to its pseudo Byzantium / Near East setting.

>>18709205
Latro in the Mist by Gene Wolfe

>>18709281
Ok let’s assume the writer is good and consistent.
>>18709281
So you would rather have just the one story than ten different stories, if the one is longer, more epic in scope, more immersive, etc?

Thorn of Emberlain when?

>>18709315
Oops meant this for you:
So you would rather have just the one story than ten different stories, if the one is longer, more epic in scope, more immersive, etc?

>>18709351
I was really disappointed by the sequels to Lies of Locke Lamora. I won’t be picking up the next one.

>>18709357
Yes.

>>18709346
If he is consistent and good trough out and assuming he is able to deliver on his set ups then definitely a single epic. That, however is much much harder to do than simply write a couple of good books set in the same universe.

Even if one of the books is garbage as long as they are not dependent ton one another it doesn't diminish the "goodness" of the rest. Which is why consistency is so important in a saga, but not so much in one offs.

>>18709247
I'm a big fan of modular series like Bakker's Second Apocalypse or Cook's Garrett PI where you have either explicit groups of books or a cutoff every few volumes where the series can be considered done if you want to do something else or are hit by a bus.

>>18709394
>>18709415
>>18709428
It would seem like a shame to dedicate so much time to a single story, in the hopes that it doesn’t shit the bed in the end. Maybe I’ve just been burned by things like GoT (the show) and Lost and stuff like that to the point where I just want a book to end at the end.

>>18701806
>Rafe Judkins
Wasn't that faggot on Survivor?

>>18709511
The problem for both of these is that they were produced with no endgame in mind. GRRM could have maybe prevented the GoT adaptation from going to shit, if he wasn't such a lazy procrastinator, because he reportedly does know how he ultimately would have wanted to conclude his books. Some of the broad strokes of his envisioned ending probably did make it into the show, such as Dany going mad, but the point stands: Dumb and Dumber started producing GoT without a roadmap leading to the finish line and that always spells disaster.

>In a twinkling, she became coy and whorish. She even glanced down at her breasts, which were firm with improbable youth. "Because I have been reborn as black earth, as rain and sweating sun," she said. "The Goddess has cast me in Her image, as sweet, sweet Fertility. You will not allow other men to trade me, so long as your loins bur—" "My loins?" Fanayal cried out with forced incredulity. Malowebi gazed and blinked. She literally tingled with nubile promise, yet still she carried the air of old stone. Something... Something was wrong... "Even now," she said, "your seed rises to the promise of soft earth deeply ploughed." Masculine laughter rumbled through the chamber, only to falter for want of breath. Even old Malowebi could feel a tightness in his chest and a matching thickness crawling across his thighs...

>>18707874
>I like Bakker's names

They're the perfect example of all that is wrong with fantasy naming convention..

>>18709511
Yeah, I'm also at a point where I have no time for indefinitely serialized anything. If you have no exit point after 5 or 6 books, it's probably because you're not confident in what's going to happen with 7 and 8, and 99% of the time that turns into a shitshow.

>>18708809
I'm a Turk

How to make my sci fi plot less generic? I don't want it to be generic at all, it needs to feature complete utter derangement. I have the plot, some characters and more situations but there's an element which needs to feel randomized so if you can, add some keywords to the soup
Keywords because I'm not writing the whole thing here
Pornographic orgies overload radio popstar hacker coffee insurance sample

>>18710341
Maybe mastering the generic stuff will help you know how to write something different. Idk take my advice with a grain of salt

>>18710388
No, I know, short stories that are generic, I don't like saying generic.
It's like you have to learn the normal before twisting, otherwise, what are you even doing? I know this but I can't quite explain.
It's not that it's generic, I worry about it having been done before, which I know it was

>>18705643
richard morgan's land fit for heroes has this

>>18708279
enjoy :)

>>18709624
what's an example of one you prefer? not including tolkien, dude invented a whole language so his names are are objectively great.

>>18710341
What you described sounds incredibly generic. Grimderp retardation is completely normal in modern fiction.

>>18710341
Keep it short and explore focused ideas. Generic seems to be happen when writer wants to include a bit of everything.

>>18708765
>>18708571

>>18706925
>>18705643
and The Quantumm Thief, although it's just in the background at the beginning of the series

>>18708279
i thought it was very cringe and stupid in general

>>18708826
Its not Islam's fault that you look like a girl with your low testosterone.

>>18708826
> gets touched on the shoulder by strong men in an arab country
> gets kissed on the cheek and hugged as part of their culture
> oy vey theyre hitting on me
Just stick to New York you closet homo.

I read the first Dune a while ago and while it was very well written, I didn't enjoy it much. It seemed like the three pillars of the story are the protagonist as a dune-jesus, the political setting, and the world building.
My issue was that it didn't feel like the political setting improved my enjoyment of the prophet story (even if there were regular references during the protagonist's journey to things laid out by the political backstory).
And while the world building was nice, I think I prefer authors like Jack Vance and Gene Wolfe who describe just enough to make the world coherent, and let you paint in the details yourself.
Is there some facet of the story I am too stupid to have appreciated?

what fantasy book has the best waifu?

>>18701292
Truth Shines

>>18711033

>>18711037

>>18711044

>>18709595
From what I've heard their original intention was just to film up to the Re Wedding.

>>18711066
Red*

>>18711066
Not quite. GRRM's original intention was for the whole thing to be adapted and he thought he'd write the remaining books fast enough as to not be overtaken by the show. It's because of this overconfidence that he gave Dab and Dabbit some cliff notes on his intended endgame. (Hold the door, Dany turns evil, and such.) Those two kikes, however, they just wanted to be the ones who'd go down in history as having brought the Red Wedding to the screen. They considered it the defining moment of ASOIAF, something to stun and amaze the HBO audience with, and didn't care about the books beyond that point. Hence why the quality of the show drops off rapidly afterwards. They were obliged to continue, but they didn't care anymore and GRRM failed to deliver the blueprint for the endgame anyway.

>>18711052

>>18711148
>Danny turning evil
That’s not even surprising considering how much GRRM flaunts the incestuous murderous Targaryen family schtick

>>18708759
Are you sure you're not just getting dazzled by all the made up terms?

>>18701924
You joke but it would actually make her and her romance with Rand not be boring as shit.

>>18711266
It's not surprising and I would've loved to read her descend into evil if the fat fuck ever bothered to finish his series. But I don't think DnD would've done it if it wasn't for GRRM's input. They would've made her Queen of Westeros to stick it to the patriarchy if entirely left to their own devices.

>>18711409
Anon they aren't made up, they are from Arabic and Persian. Fucking pleb

>>18704667
Yes she is

>>18711266
It was a fairly popular fan theory before the show began.

>>18701924
>>18711433
I will find you faggots and I will murder you where you stand, the Light help me.

>>18701924
>>18711433
Reminder that Min's dump truck ass literally saved the universe as it was the only thing that kept Rand sane.

What series has the best battle scenes?

>>18699069
Priest of Bones, War for the Rose Throne #1 - Peter McLean (2018)

This is a grimdark gangster story set in a secondary world industrial age. It was much better than I expected, but I don't know why. There's nothing especially well-done, yet it was such a fun and enjoyable read. Most of the characters aren't ever developed past a singular trait, there's scant worldbuilding, the magic system is left unexplained, and the basic plot is without much progression. If you're looking for something serious or literary in the slightest, this isn't that.
Despite that, this will probably be one of the novels I've most enjoyed reading this year. Maybe what I liked the most about is the execution. A lot of stuff has great ideas but fails to live up to this potential. This has ok ideas but does them in such a way that almost entirely aligns with my preferences.
The common reference seems to be Peaky Blinders, a TV series, which I may give another try but probably not, though for me my reference would be to the TV series, Gangs of London. This is very much a transposition of modern character types and institutions into a industrial fantasy setting.
Barring any forthcoming disasters, I'm all but certain that I'll read all four books. I may look into and read what else he's done, but that's always a separate matter. There's also a TV series in the works and I hope that it eventually airs. I'll certainly give it a chance.

Rating: 4.5/5

/sffg/ GR ratings overview:
5s: 2
4s: 4
3s: 1
2s: 1

>>18712206
acts of caine

Give me a book where the protagonist actually commits genocide or mass murder against the people who did him wrong.

>>18712545
Darkwar

Are there any sci-fi westerns? I know of a VN like this (Django) which is a sci-fi spaghetti western, but not any books.

What would you consider the biggest problem with modern fantasy writing?

>>18712681
Women

>>18712681
it's either derivative or contrived for contrivance's sake

>>18712681
Women, blacks, and redditors/basedboys taking over the genre and flooding the market with their bullshit

>>18712681
The focus on world-building and "lore" over telling a story.

>>18712681
The house editing style of the biggest us publishers makes every writer and genre sound the same

Wild Space -A Science Fiction Discord-

Mostly Foundation and Dune and speculations about technology but all sci-fi aficionados are welcome.

https://discord.gg/VQPd7hek

How's this book? I don't think I've ever seen it discussed here.

>>18712681
Very derivative and by the numbers, made to appeal the YA audience, bad prose.

Anyone know any good weird books? I just want something that feels dream like and unsettling.

>>18712681
Everyone builds their stories around their personal beliefs instead of just telling a story.

>>18712724
>nah thedus, the gods live ON A MOUNTAIN
>but it's ALWAYS WARM and they eat GOD FOOD
Midwits are eternal.

>>18713020
I don't think you can entirely escape your personal beliefs shaping the stories you write. The real problem is that people hardly even have personal beliefs anymore. Modern fantasy writers are just regurgitating the beliefs instilled into them by the mainstream media and academia, preaching them back to all their peers who already belong to the faithful anyway. Not an independent or original thought to be found among the lot of them.

>>18712984

This is a truly bizarre read, if you can read Italian of course. Imagine the matrix but instead of people being used as batteries, they are stuck in a hyper-realistic entertainment system and they don't even know it.

>>18713039
what did he mean by this

>>18713088
I probably worded it wrong, of course your story is gonna be shaped by your values and beliefs, LoTR has notable Christian themes because Tolkien was Christian.
What I mean is more along the lines of writing a book that's basically just a soap box for you to yell about shit you don't like.

>>18712724
Let's just be grateful that most the true worldbuilding autists are way too busy writing personal wiki's and daydreaming to actually write books, otherwise the fantasy shelves would just be flooded by encyclopedia's for books that never actually existed.

>>18713088
>>18712686
>>18712706

>>18713110
All bad story tellers can contribute is world building, and this has been the case since preliterate bardic traditions.

>>18708765
It's aggressively stupid in how it misses the point of LotR. And it comes from a man who barely even wastes a thought on the tax policies or broader economic system of his own creation, because he knows full well his readers don't give a shit. To this day nobody, including Martin, has any idea how the multiple-year-long winters of Westeros are supposed to work.

>>18712213
I picked it up when I saw the GR group was reading it, but I'm honestly not sure I'm going to be able to finish it. Bloody Anne is driving me insane. She doesn't seem to be particularly competent, useful, or even pleasant to be around. She regularly flips out on the MC and, instead of beating her down like he does literally anyone else who acts that way towards him, he just falls all over himself to apologize to her.
The Peaky Blinders comparison is also so utterly spot on, it's kind of painful. Between the take no shit Aunt running the business while they were at war, the shell-shocked veteran gangs, the alcoholic brother running around yelling WE'RE THE PIOUS FOOKING MEN, and even the main character being named Tommy, it legitimately feels intentional to me.
There are a lot of pieces of it that make me want to like it, but the flaws are really glaring imo. Anyway, I won't give a rating since I haven't finished it and the author might have used all of this more competently by the end than I give him credit for.

>>18713154
don't take it literally dude, he just meant that he likes to look at stories from a more grounded point of view. he didn't care about the actual taxes, it was just a way to make a point

>>18713249
Not him, but I still think it was a brainlet take from GRRM. While the overarching plot in LOTR draws heavily on the epics, Tolkien wrote a very grounded story. All of the real things he wrote about, the design of the cities, the battles, the travel, and the eternally fellated linguistics, are all extremely realistic and well researched. It stands out in particular when you compare it to ASOIAF which usually fails on all of those metrics. His societies don't make a whole lot of sense, and the tactics he describes are often very stupid. When people praise him for being grounded they really just mean that he wrote an edgier story, but I don't feel like including rape and pillaging is sufficient to claim that your books are more realistic. It's like all those "Realist Hero" isekai manga that are usually just as stupid as the garbage they're claiming to be better than.

What are literature’s equivalents to M Night Shyamala films?

>>18713343
i don't think the complain is that lotr is unrealistic as much as that it is not mundane. classic fantasy is mostly grandiose and epic and with deep themes and so on, but grrm included that paragraph about the girl having diahrrea in the desert, for example. i never read the full quote about the taxes but i think he just wants to do fantasy with a different tone, a different angle. grrm is unironically a good writer and i'm sure he appreciates and respects tolkien a lot

>>18713385
do you want a rec?
wouldn't that spoilt it

>>18713210
It certainly has various flaws as noted, though I was able to look past them as I wrote. There seems to be a lot about it in general that can irritate, so the ratings may just be that not enough have read it, or that only those who liked it continued on. It's very unfortunate that there's no easy way to tell.

>>18712984
piranesi

Can you consider a series a success if it only gets good after pretty much abandoning the initial premise?

>>18711044
This text is a cope from the TUC appendix 2 until the text starts to talk about a skin pores/lotion

>>18713607
No, because most people won't bother reading several trash books just to get to the point where it supposedly "gets good"

Has anyone read this?

>>18714000
>A ground-breaking work both of feminist SF and of world-building hard SF, it concerns the Sharers of Shora, a nation of women on a distant moon in the far future who are pacifists, highly advanced in biological sciences, and who reproduce by parthenogenesis--there are no males--and ...
No

>>18714000
It's worth reading but desu it's best to not go in thinking it's actually a feminist novel or whatever it gets branded as now.
It's much more explicitly a Quaker novel than anything else

>>18714072
Egads!

Regarding Fire and Blood, who was it that killed Septa Moon? Quite an intriguing mystery especially since Martin seems to dismiss the Faceless Men did it a couple pages after his death

>>18714072
>feminist SF and of world-building hard SF
It's like a computer was programmed to create the worst possible sci-fi novel and this is what it came up with.

>>18714072
you jest, silly chud, but the synopsis only intrigues me more

>>18712984
Dreams of Amputation

>>18712984
The Mask of the Sorcerer.
The Voidal.
Lords of Dyscrasia.
Thomas Ligotti's stuff in general.

>>18712681
Everything.

Is cradle still the only good western knockoff of chinese fantasy?
Soulhome's good but one book so far, Thousand Li is finally getting into gear but it took 4-5 books to be worth reading and the older stuff I've tried is worse than that.

>>18714474
Give it a rest with your literary equivalent of chink construction work.

Ever since I heard about the new WoT television series, I've been fantasizing about being an Asha'man and recreating Dumai's Wells in Hollywood.

T͟h͟e͟ ͟L͟o͟r͟d͟s͟ ͟o͟f͟ ͟t͟h͟e͟ ͟R͟i͟n͟g͟s͟ ͟a͟n͟d͟ ͟i͟t͟s͟ ͟c͟o͟n͟s͟e͟q͟u͟e͟n͟c͟e͟s͟ ͟h͟a͟v͟e͟ ͟b͟e͟e͟n͟ ͟a͟ ͟d͟i͟s͟a͟s͟t͟e͟r͟ ͟f͟o͟r͟ ͟f͟a͟n͟t͟a͟s͟y͟ ͟l͟i͟t͟e͟r͟a͟t͟u͟r͟e͟

was told to ask here. any book suggestions for an anon coping about Shingeki's shit ending? Looking for a book that
>has fairly simplistic lore for a brainlet
>no tolkien shit (no elves, dwarves, aliens, only humans)
>Has some jaw dropping twists
>High stakes
>Minimal magic mumbo jumbo / science mumbo jumbo
>Nice heavy themes (I like existentialism)
I enjoyed books like I, Claudius so I do enjoy political shit (meaning to check out Wolf Hall). Also enjoyed Game of Thrones when it was good. Although I did not like Dune because I couldn't get into the characters emotionally. Currently I'm working through Book of the New Sun and Red Rising, although I am not enjoying the weird color classism system of Red Rising. Feels a bit goofy. I enjoyed The Eternal Champion but thought it wasn't in-depth enough.
Book suggestions?

>>18714974
The Mask of the Sorcerer

>>18714974
accursed kings

>>18714072
Lmao
Written to win a Hugo and immediately be forgotten

i liked this. can anyone recommend me something similar?

>>18715215
Awake in the Night Land

I've been listening to the History of Philosophy Podcast and found many connections between antique philosophy and Bakker's work. I was especially intrigued by Plotinus' ideas about The One, which seems to correspond very closely to the God of Gods. The Survivor's final moments seem to be him attaining Henosis.

I tried googling it, but couldn't find discussions about this connection. Does anyone here have opinions on this?

From wikipedia:

THE ONE
>Plotinus taught that there is a supreme, totally transcendent "One", containing no division, multiplicity, or distinction; beyond all categories of being and non-being. His "One" "cannot be any existing thing", nor is it merely the sum of all things (compare the Stoic doctrine of disbelief in non-material existence), but "is prior to all existents". [..]
>[...] Plotinus denies sentience, self-awareness or any other action (ergon) to the One (τὸ Ἕν, to hen; V.6.6). Rather, if we insist on describing it further, we must call the One a sheer potentiality (dynamis) without which nothing could exist. (III.8.10) As Plotinus explains in both places and elsewhere (e.g. V.6.3), it is impossible for the One to be Being or a self-aware Creator God.[...]
>The One, being beyond all attributes including being and non-being, is the source of the world—but not through any act of creation, willful or otherwise, since activity cannot be ascribed to the unchangeable, immutable One. Plotinus argues instead that the multiple cannot exist without the simple. The "less perfect" must, of necessity, "emanate", or issue forth, from the "perfect" or "more perfect". Thus, all of "creation" emanates from the One in succeeding stages of lesser and lesser perfection. These stages are not temporally isolated, but occur throughout time as a constant process.
>The One is not just an intellectual concept but something that can be experienced, an experience where one goes beyond all multiplicity.[11] Plotinus writes, "We ought not even to say that he will see, but he will be that which he sees, if indeed it is possible any longer to distinguish between seer and seen, and not boldly to affirm that the two are one."[12]
This pretty much paraphrases what Kellhus says to Proyas.


THE SURVIVOR
>Henosis for Plotinus (204/5–270 CE) was defined in his works as a reversing of the ontological process of consciousness via meditation (in the Western mind to uncontemplate) toward no thought (nous or demiurge) and no division (dyad) within the individual (being). As is specified in the writings of Plotinus on Henology,[note 2] one can reach a tabula rasa, a blank state where the individual may grasp or merge with The One. This absolute simplicity means that the nous or the person is then dissolved, completely absorbed back into the Monad.

I thought it helpful for understanding Bakker's world and what exactly happened to the Survivor.

I liked The Horse and His Boy, definitely my favorite CS Lewis out of the five I've read. What can I read that has a similar plot, of escaping from one fantasy land and having to tough out the journey to another?

>>18714974
I'm actually working on a fantasy novel that pretty much lines up with everything you've said (except for the simple lore) so if you just wait about thirty years I'll send you a copy fren

>>18715732
Just finished the narnia series yesterday. Sorry I don't have a recommendation for you, but I just want to let you know that The Horse and His Boy was my second favorite of the lot and you have good taste, fellow narniachad

>>18708765
Because it shows he's a fucking retard, Aragorn's tax policy is well established. Aragorn as High King is a ruler over other rulers, his only actual demesne is Gondor itself, which has no income tax at all. The other regions he rules over are themselves ruled by other kings, and each of them sets their own tax policies individually. Aragorn's position as High King is more like the position of President is supposed to be in the US, he has no direct power over individual states, but rather the rulers of each of those other states is sworn to him.

That statement from GRRM made people Seethe because it both missed the point of the series completely and showed he wasn't actually familiar enough with the work to speak on it because he was asking a question that is answered in Tolkien's notes.

>>18716464
>that is answered in Tolkien's notes.
if you have to read notes or appendixes to find something out that means it isn't actually addressed within the text
No author outside of Tolkien is given this allowance where otherwise unused details from notes become text for the novel itself

>>18716808
>Being this much of a retard.

>>18716808
I can’t believe I share a General with you.

Is Red Rising any good?
I've heard good stuff from it

>>18717028
>Is Red Rising any good?
Read it and find out, anon. You can do it.

>>18717028
You always read it

>>18715436
And we care why?

>>18717028
It's a fun read, kinda annoying on 2nd read when you already know the reveals.

>>18717150
Why?

>>18717139
Some anon shilling again.

>>18717217
It’s getting annoying.

>>18713385
Dan brown

>>18714072
The absolute state of science fiction

>>18714474
Yes and no.

>>18717028
From what I’ve read, it was your standard YA with a Gary stu MC

>>18699069
Any book similar to this game setting ?

>>18714072
>So what's the story about?
>...Story?

>>18717319
Get with the times

>>18717313
What am I looking at?

>>18708765
Because Tolkien already have an answer to it?

>>18717327
Planescape: Torment

>>18717333
Oh, just read the novel.

>>18712737
fuck off

>>18717203
Because they're obvious and you have to sit through ages of the main cast being oblivious

>>18717347
Isn't that a problem with all Ya books?

>>18717354
no

>>18717355
Yeah it is.

>>18717355
Anon, it literally is.

>>18717373
no

>>18717374
It is.

>>18717374
You don't have to be in denial about it.

>>18717378
I'm not in denial about anything I've just read more than 20 books ever unlike most of this thread so I don't have to base all of my opinions off of memories of 2-4 books for each genre

>>18717383
People here read?

>>18717217
Don’t know why he bothers. No one here reads Bakker outside of 3 autists

>>18717392
Saying it over and over doesn't make it true.

>>18717392
Pretty sure they’re from discord.

new thread
>>18717395

>>18712545
Rift war, I think.

>>18716058
lol okay I will anon