/lit/ - Literature

>>18692831
reading the god delusion and watching the pervert's guide to ideology

I've stopped looking for *the* book after TBK. Perhaps The Magic Mountain came closest to the depth of that reading experience.

>>18692831
Torture Bind Kill? A hero of mine. A lesser elemental.

Plenty of things. Why are you looking for the same artistic statement again? There is plenty out there that's just as good. By plenty i mean probably hundreds of books, so they are few and far between.
you can also just read TBK again and more dostoevsky - see the idiot and demons

Tolstoy comes close. If you're looking for the deeply spiritual you wont find it in W&P or AK (although these are still very profound on the topic) but in his short stories. I've just read a bunch of them and they have the same feel as Starec Zosima talking about how he became a monk or when Ivan was wrestling with the devil. Besides The Death of Ivan Ilyich (which everyone including you must know) and Kholstomer, I'd recommend The Two Pilgrims, A Spark Neglected Burns the House, The Godson, How Much Land Does A Man Need? and What Men Live By. Hope you find something!

>>18693062
Tolstoy is a hypocrite and a liar and although you might say that an author's personality shouldn't affect my perception of his work, I think that's not the case for Russian literature. A significant portion of Dostoevsky's effect comes from the reader's general knowledge about the kind of man he was. Tolstoy's affected writing comes nowhere close to the potency of Dostoevsky's genuine frenzy. To Tolstoy's credit he recognized this trait in himself and worked hard to become a genuine man but in the end he still couldn't match the completeness of Dostoevsky. I will give the Death of Ivan Ilyich a try though because everyone raves about it so much there must be something special there. I don't expect it to match Dostoevsky though.

>>18692891
Nobody should have a "hero" who gets caught because he's too stupid to know about metadata. His case is actually worse, because he asked the police if they could trace him through a floppy disk and they of course told him no and he believed it like a moron.

>In a subsequent message to police, Rader asked them, “Can I communicate with Floppy [disk] and not be traced to a computer. Be honest.” If so, he told police to place an ad in The Wichita Eagle with the message, “Rex, it will be OK." Two weeks later, a disk arrived in a package sent to KSAS-TV with a file that contained instructions to detectives about further communications. What Rader didn’t realize was the disk also contained encrypted metadata that would lead police straight to him.

His grammar and writing was so bad the police thought he was intentionally misspelling and talking like a retard to hide his identity. Turns out that's how he spelled/wrote.

Some hero.

>>18693101
He still did good works. Does an earthquake's intellect matter? Does thunder think?

Dislike him [Dostoevsky]. A cheap sensationalist, clumsy and vulgar. A prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. Some of his scenes are extraordinarily amusing. Nobody takes his reactionary journalism seriously.

>>18692891
>>18693101
>>18693139
what the fuck?

>>18693157
muh loli

>>18693095
>A significant portion of Dostoevsky's effect comes from the reader's general knowledge about the kind of man he was.
midwit take

>>18693095
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>18693095
You're not OP are you

For me it's C&P

>>18693095
Dostoevsky was an adulterer retard.

>>18693450
And Jesus was a Jew. No one is perfect.

>Aljosha turns red and covers his ears trying his best to avoid the situation when lewd talk ensues
wtf I am literally Aljosha

and maybe doing a philosophy program is the 21st century german equivalent of a young russian boy going into a monastery

>>18692831
Im currently read notes from underground and I am being filtered hard. Why did no one tell me that I needed to have an in-depth knowledge of 1800s philosophers and Russian writers/literary critics.

>>18693509
>maybe doing a philosophy program is the 21st century german equivalent of a young russian boy going into a monastery
LOL. Not even close.

>>18692831
>What is there even left to read after finishing TBK?
start with the greeks

>>18692831
Parsifal.

>>18694287
i did. but its emotionally difficult to read literature from a time when the world wasn't fallen. dostoevsky is a christian schizo like me so he peers into my soul better.

>>18694305
>wagner
>prose
no thanks.

>>18694576
>>wagner
>>prose
Who said anything about prose?

>>18694274
No, I have thought about it and it is definitely the equivalent.

>>18694259
You don't. I guess the only context you need is the Wikipedia article on "What is to be done?" but you can still enjoy it without having done so

Thomas "I swear I didn't act on it" Mann makes Dostoevsky looks like an amateur.
Buddenbrooks and The Magic Mountain are both like 12/10s.

I've never read anything from him. Should I get Crime and Punishment or The Idiot?

>>18696311
Crime and Punishment. Get the Oliver Ready translation

>>18692831
When it comes to the religious themes, psychological states of people and emotions? Nothing.
There's still worthwhile stuff to read, though. For example, there are works superior in scale to TBK which have a really "epic" feel to them. I suggest In Search of Lost Time, Ulysses and 2666.

>>18696322
Thank you.

>>18692831
Dosto was a degenerate pulp fiction writer who was paid by the word to fuel his insatiable gambling addiction. You are the literary equivalent of a soccer mom picking up a harlequin romance novel in the check out line at the super market.

>>18696400
>you can't enjoy him, he was paid by the word!!!!

>>18696518
Not him, but that is actually a legitimate argument to instantly discredit a writer.

>>18696533
No it isn't. You realise you can write good long books, right?

>>18693062
Does an author living up to their own philosophical ideas matter?
If marquis de sade gad some great ideas (and he did, his satire is purposeful) why not take the ideas and not like the man?

>>18692841
Zizek has admitted many times that "I hate wisdom". Why? Because wisdom would limit his intellectual fantasies. His repudiation of "ideology" en masse is just a cope to avoid looking at the consequences of certain ideas.

>>18692831
Tolstoy

>>18696542
Not if you're being paid to prolong them.

>>18696584
Are you retarded? You can prolong something and still have it be good.

>>18696533
Do you know how many writers you've just discredited then?

>>18692831
Moby Dick

Why is your ass throwing soft balls?

>>18696533
It was really common back then because it was published on newspapers. Remember there is an empty space between nobles like Maecenas and the publishing houses.

After Dostoyevsky, I'd suggest reading the works of Flaubert, Proust, Musil, Mann, Broch, Kafka, Döblin and Hamsun. All are at least on par witj Dosto.

>>18695701
I've heard a lot about Mann. Can he really hold a candle to Dostoevsky?

>>18697948
>poost

>>18692831
babbys first author

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>>18696564
lmao he every time followed with an explantion of why he opposes wisdom

stop projecting

>>18693062
Hadji Murat

>>18692831
Is there a more blackpilled mainstream author than Dostojevsky?

>>18692831
read Gogol