/lit/ - Literature

>>18685828
bump

>>18685828
I haven't read them but I have the first 2 books, might give them a shot during summer. From what I've read from other readers, you usually follow one of those paths:
>read book 1 to see how it is and it's considered a classic of sci-fi
>read the first 2 books as the 2nd serves like a continuation and brings closure to a storyline?
>read the first 4 books as book 4 serves as another good ending point and is considered great
>read what you read if you're into the series but book 6 is inconclusive?
But generally no one recommends reading past that, if I'm not mistaken the rest of the books weren't written by him and are generally terrible

>>18685828
I'm excited to start I recently got Dune and I plan to start soon! I hear a lot of mixed things about the whole series

>>18685914
>>read the first 2 books as the 2nd serves like a continuation and brings closure to a storyline?
Some people have an issue here as 2 is considered a bridge for 1 and 3 and some say it is insane to stop there. But as the meme template has it, yeah those are the options.

I am in the camp that you can stop there but you have to okay with the ending baiting book 3 heavily. The up and down arc of Dune and Dune Messiah is almost perfect though, I would have been satisfied if they had stopped there and even just published it as one book in the future.

>4
People either love it or hate it. Having said that I have mixed feelings lol. It is a big book, not in size, but in scope. I appreciate it for that but it is the meatiest of the volumes.

>>18685928
I see, wasn't aware of that.

>>18685937
It is basically this chart (pic related) and you are mostly right, but one or two people say that tier two should be books 1-2-3 and not just 1-2. That is the only disagreement.

>>18685828
your retraded if you enjoy this shit. Read better books like lotr

>>18686035
Dune is great. It is in the same league as LOTR. This is a bait post.

Read it too this year. I only enjoyed the first three and Children was boring to me until shit actually hit the fan.

>>18686092
It is like that in the others I think, much preamble and build up, especial is heretics and chapterhouse.

>>18686098
Indeed but it lacks the larger than life space Jesus that both Leto and Paul embodied. Teg kind of fits the bill but he was underutilized and I didnt care for any of the witches past Alia.

>>18685828
Why does a man who was meant to be born a girl to get fucked transform into a giant penis by taking cocaine?

>>18686109
yeah I get this. I liked Teg as a guy and glad he wasn't the philosophy spouting dick that many main characters become. He is based.

I liked some of the BGs. Bellonda reminds me of me, slightly obnoxious and cynical. But they have nothing on Mohaim and Alia and Jessica.

>>18686117
kek, good summary. Leto wasn't supposed to be a girl though, Paul saw Ghanima in his visions, but got Ghanima and Leto. It was never explained though why this one dude was outside of his prescience. Maybe because Leto was so prescient that even as a tiny cytoblast he was immune to prescient vision as Navigators are? Never got an adequate explanation.

>>18686141
Paul was meant to be a woman. I forgot that Paul and Leto were different characters because I was fifteen and that was 30 years ago. But the transforming into a penis by using cocaine is real.

>>18686189
oh right I get you, yeah it was Leto that was the penis worm.

>>18685828
I'm probably not saying anything that's hasn't been said by anybody who has read the series, but the first book is great and then they progressively get worse. I barely made it halfway through the last one before I tapped out.

>>18686417
That's a shame anon, I think Chapterhouse's ending was aight. But I can see why. Heretics nearly beat me. It would have great if he had condensed book 5 and had the climax as the midway point and then the finale of book 6 could have happened. There was not enough to really fill two books with stuff.

Or ya know, stop at GEoD.

>>18685828
I honestly want to know if I should buy it.
I want to read more science fiction. I've read The Foundation of Asimov and even if it is very good, I didn't like it that much.
Then I read Hyperion Cantos and I fucking loved it. Now I have the chance to read Dune, and I heard mixed things about it.

>genre fiction

>>18687160
It is never argued that Dune is bad, just which sequels are bad. It depends what kinda reader you are.

Do you stop when the arc is finished or when the quality drops?

If its the arc then you are in it the whole way or maybe at least till 4. If quality, then you have the luxury of reading 30 or 40 pages of the next volume and then dropping it.

>>18685828
for me dune = GEoD > DM > HoD >CoD > CD
chapterhouse gets brought down bc it has no resolution bc he croaked, and everytime I do a reread of the series (nearly every year) I start to lose interest halfway through chapter house but theyre all very good

>>18685914
everything up to 4 is a requirement IMO and 5 and 6 are only skippable if you really care about a conclusive ending to the series, theyre still of high quality and should be read

>>18686092
I dont understand how you can enjoy children and dislike God emporer, generally those are more divisive for the same reasons so people either like both of them or dislike both of them

>>18686141
i think that is the best explanation yeah, slightly off topic but paul using letos eyes to avoid the assassination attempt was really neat

>>18685828
The story basically ends with God Emperor and the epilogue of finding the journals. The messiah is treated like a god, his son becomes a god, then becomes a monster, and finally tries to bring about his own demise in such a way that his people could live without him. Heretics and Chapterhouse are basically science fiction inside science fiction, i.e. what would the future future be like after the Atreides empire collapsed

>>18687288
I would put Children higher and Heretics is just messing about and nothing happening until the very end. I wanted Duncan and Teg to get out and hook up with Odrade on Rakis about half way through. It was ridiculous how drawn out and then rushed the ending was.

What did you like about GEoD? I felt it was dizzying and too heavy with Leto talking out of his ass.

>>18687318
very kino scene, yes.

>>18687328
Yes, it is very fan-fiction like actually, but fan-fiction written by the man himself. Strange feel to them.

>>18687340
I liked how heady and high concept it was, I understand why people think its slow but i enjoy it, and its a little heavier on the court intrigue type stuff that dune had that I enjoy a lot

>>18687352
I liked the balance in Dune and Children of Dune too. They were adventures with court intrigue, where I felt huge numbers of just sitting around with Leto moaning and Duncan and Based Moneo trying to figure out what the fuck he is on about. I felt like Moneo for a lot of the book.

>>18687358
I will agree sometimes I felt like frank was trying too hard to confuse you when he was writing leto II, but overall I enjoyed his character and how tragic he was, and yeah the adventure side of dune and children of dune is really strong

>>18687374
Yes I was forgiving to GEoD for this. It sounded like (especially if Duncan and Moneo are confused) that I was supposed to maybe be spinning around in the face of the giant worm also. Maybe that was the purpose, but I feel it would have been best to just have him make a cryptic remark and then tell Moneo that no one would be able to grasp what he means but he knows it should be done.

>>18687311
because nothing interesting happens in God Emperor

>>18685928
>as 2 is considered a bridge for 1 and 3
It was actually intended as an intrinsic part of 1, but for some retarded reason they published it separately.

>>18685995
That infographic has always been garbage.

>>18687328
>The story basically ends with God Emperor
God Emperor is purely a scene-setter for books 5 and 6 FFS.

>>18687634
THIS

>>18685828
Wait are they good and not just memes?

>>18685828
I only read the first two and they are awesome. I don't think anything can top them now but some say god emperor is better, I will continue reading later

Just finished God emperor, God was malky based

>>18687961
>but some autists say god emperor is better
ftfy