/lit/ - Literature

Don't need a book for that, it's actually rather simple

>>18668421
directions then?

>>18668412
You can't get a book or a class for that.
It's something that breeds from your own being.

>>18668436
shut up and give practical advice

be yourself.

I am going to give you the truth, and it's uncomfortable and people will get triggered but it is what it is.

Basically, learning how to talk to the opposite sex is something you learn naturally through trial and error by talking to them and going to social functions like dances and parties. It is a skill you should basically have down by the time you are 14 or 15, and if you don't learn it by that time, you missed your chance and are doomed to be autistic forever.

>>18668450
Basically this, if homeless drug addicts make it, it is not like this is beyond the capabilities of the regular /lit/ anon.

>>18668450
what if being myself didn't turn out well and didn't give good first impressions?

>>18668453
No, if someone can talk to an anon, they can talk to women. It is that simple. Women are as fucking retarded as anons are. It is simply a matter of finding one who is on your level of retardation.

>>18668453
Just being able to talk to women isn't enough, women talk to men all the time. I want to make good first impressions and stand out

>>18668472
Don't worry about a single person, anon. Focus on being out there. It is not about first impressions, people who should like you are going to like you anyway. Try meeting different people or something.

>>18668473
I hate most women, but it is not like I don't hate anons too.

>>18668412
Why would you want to do that though? Women are parasitic whores and casual sex is the most overrated thing in the world. It’s only good with long-term intimacy, but relationship with millennial/zoomer females inevitably turn out into abusive, masochistic cuckoldry.

Why are there very few autistic women who are interesting? Go to any hobby related board or website and the vast majority are men, save a tiny amount of hobbies that are historically female dominated. What makes men so much more easier to connect and talk to about stuff compared to women? We are both humans, but it feels like women are a different species sometimes. Even me, an autistic spas nerd, can still have decent conversations with dudebros, but, anecdotally, have never captured that same essence from a woman (a small lie, I actually have a tomboy friend and she's great, but also a rarity).

>>18668482
Why do you care? I mean seriously, most women are fucking annoying. Why bother with what they think of you? Just be yourself, anon.

>>18668492
He didn't ask for an incel rant. If you can't answer the question don't enter the thread

>>18668492
you speak the truth, so people will hate you.

>>18668432
Depends how well you know her usually.
Generally speaking everyone, and especially women, enjoy confidence. An easy but genuine smile, eyes that don't stare but don't shy away too soon either, a certain passion and bass in your voice when speaking about things that matter to you. These are all things you can train.

Speak about things you know she's interested in, but unless you're really well-versed in it don't overdo it. Because then it looks like you just read up on everything she told you about and that seems try hard. Some women like the tryhards, but those are the dangerous/psycho type.
Try to mirror her movements to an extent. To an extent being the key here.
If you can, relay the things you talk about to the things she talks about, and maybe find or build some shared ground.
Show her that you can be both lighthearted and serious, if the situation demands it. When talking about a tragedy, you can joke around, but it pays off to also atleast look and act truly concerned and saddened by the loss of life (or whatever).

Ultimately it's about physical and mental/emotional/spiritual appearance.
t. woman

>>18668501
And you can fuck off to Reddit with your bugman simping. Your girl”friend” fucks three other dudes on the side btw.

>>18668472
then you don't vibe with them
point is you should only ever bother being yourself if you're looking for something even semi serious
try bettering yourself if you feel shallow.

>>18668412
Why would you want to talk to a woman? What could they possibly say that's interesting?

>>18668530
Some are cool, but they are like people. Most of them are too worried about stupid shit. That is not their fault, but still, it is not like it isn't boring.

>>18668530
women aren't a monolith. There are bland women and there are interesting women, just like there are bland men and interesting men

>>18668512
>Try to mirror her movements to an extent.
never seen this advice anywhere. What purpose does it serve?

>>18668548
It ingratiates you with them. Makes them feel safe, makes you seem genuine. It works not just with women but with everyone really. Also makes them feel like they're atleast a bit in charge, like they have control over things.

Don't overdo it of course, or else you look like a robotic sperg. But there's a threshold. If she's scratching her nose, you shouldn't do the exact same movement, but you can raise your hand and touch your face for a moment too.

By mirroring her you signal to her a certain "in-tune" quality about your relationship.

>>18668569
interesting

>>18668412
if lurking CC and LC has taught me anything is that women aren't a single entity, unironically just fucking be yourself, things that are turn-offs for some are instant turn-ons for others
what you need to learn isn't how to leave good first impressions, it's how to build confidence and eliminate self doubt

>>18668412
Yes, I will post the entirety of it.
Just be yourself

>>18668584
I feel I have to repeat
>don't overdo it
Don't mirror every single small expression of hers. But "imitating" subconsciously around let's say a third to half of her movements is a good ballpark.

But like others have said, you still need to be yourself or else you come off as retarded and desperate

>>18668569
>Makes them feel safe
Why do women always need to feel safe? I don't get it. We're not hunterers, gatherers anymore. What does she needs protection from, wolves and neighbour enemy tribes?

>>18668627
Why do you even need a women then, faggot
just go get a bf

>>18668627
That has to do with their biology, anon. They need that feeling to reach sexual pleasure. And it makes sense if you consider that they are the ones who get pregnant.

>>18668627
Unironically society and herself. It's an emotional safety.

Also this >>18668639

>>18668432
JUST BE YOURSELF

>>18668412
Pretend your words are your dick and that you want to fuck her with them. Sublimate all your desire to penetrate pussy into how you talk with her. That's it. Also look good, don't be nasty, be educated etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slCyRchz2YQ

He fucks her just with his words.

>>18668640
>emotional safety
these terms are still vague to me. How is someone projecting confidence prompt her to be emotionally safe, whatever that means? Being safe means you're in the face of danger of something. What's that danger?

>>18668512
Reminder this is from a woman’s perspective. Don’t copy a woman’s body language. She’s suppose to copy yours.

>>18668699
Stress of any kind.

>>18668699
A partner with a weak mentality

>>18668723
But that is considering mentally healthy women. Some are a fucking mess and will engage in self-destructive behavior for no good reason.

http://www.maerivoet.org/website/links/miscellaneous/speed-seduction-book/resources/speed-seduction-book.pdf

>>18668734
anon, women are biologically emotional beings, it's part of why men seek them, they complete each other.
if you can't provide a female with stability, then maybe you really should start dating guys instead.

>>18668453
>It is a skill you should basically have down by the time you are 14 or 15, and if you don't learn it by that time, you missed your chance and are doomed to be autistic forever.
Are you me? That's exactly my thought
I missed the train btw

>>18668699
It means that she can feel sad or angry or however with you without feeling like you think she's stupid for feeling that way. Women need reassurance.

>>18668412
be funny be cool thats it

>>18668744
>anon, women are biologically emotional beings, it's part of why men seek them
Men seek women, because that is in our nature. It has nothing to do with fucking temperament, men would still go after women even if our sex involved some crazy shit like praying mantises reproduction.

>>18668774
>nothing to do with temperament
It has everything to do with temperament. Some men like the crazy wild ones, some men like the submissive shy ones.

>>18668698
>He fucks her just with his words.
He doesn't fuck her though, she rejects him.

>>18668698
>Pretend your words are your dick and that you want to fuck her with them. Sublimate all your desire to penetrate pussy into how you talk with her
what if you get slapped midway?

>>18668807
move on

>>18668596
Is it weird I'd let this guy fuck me, he is damn pretty

>>18668780
>men would still go after women even if our sex involved some crazy shit like praying mantises reproduction.
You are probably a woman if you don't think this is true.

>>18668807
Is it a happy or an angry slap?

>>18668812
This still has to do with temperament, and you're emotionally lobotomized if you think otherwise

>>18668698
>implying all women wants to talk about fucking from the first conversation
in fact not all women, only a miniscule number of women does and you'd want to stay clear of them

>>18668412
>53 posts
>not a single book mentioned in the entire thread
The absolute state.

>>18668412
no but it looks like a book

>>18668825
It is all hormones. Whenever they reach a certain level, most men will settle with practically anything.

>>18668530
Hot
Saved

Next life I want to be an elephant, they have a better sex life with white women than me

>>18668831
Read Plato's Socrates and get into good terms with yourself. Read the Republic.

>>18668844
cant argue with triple dubs

>>18668841
All men have likes and dislikes (and red flags, green lights, and absolute no-gos) regarding emotionality regardless.

>>18668763
>>18668744
What's the difference between making a woman feel safe and being a simp?

First impressions come from how you look. You’ll never get with an attractive girl without looking good excluding special circumstances. There is no secret technique that makes their vaginas gush when you first meet them. Lower your standards or improve your looks.

>>18668856
>implying that men are purely rational beings
>implying that people are rational beings when it comes to selecting a partner
People (this is not a men or women only thing) deliberately ignore all those 'red flags' and 'no gos' and whatever all the time. And they might feel like shit afterwards (or great, if they end up in a successful relationship). if there is anything reasonable about all this shit is that there isn't reason when it comes to love.

>>18668855
You got triple dubs too

G*D, imagine having a BBC-Sized nose you can control at will, you could fuck two of her holes at the same time

>>18668860
In the latter you just orbit her, like a worker bee orbits her queen. You simply feed her ego in the hopes that she becomes addicted to you. In making her feel safe, you "lend" her your strength, show her that she can depend on you.

One is showing her that you can be a partner, the other is showing her that you just want to worship her.

>>18668876
So I shouldn't make her feel safe until she has sex with me?

>>18668855
Why does everyone want to fuck white women? Why can't it be some other race, like Asians?

>>18668627
Men are still mechanically able to overpower and rape women. The fact this doesn't immediately register with you is the strength of your cultural conditioning. Women inhabit a world alongside docile tigers and gorillas. Why do you think they are so attracted to savage creatures like pit bulls? Their own station is already a helpless one so they enlist an even deadlier beast. They were insufficiently strong enough to defend themselves anyway so it is a devil you know situation. And no, no amount of facts about declining rape will change this. Nothing short of radical skeletal and muscular mutation would make an impact because the root cause is physical not cultural.

>>18668883
It's a 50/50 thing. Show her that you can make her feel safe, but don't throw your coat on the puddle of mud so she doesn't have to dirty her shoes 5 minutes after meeting her. The Lord giveth, and The Lord taketh away. That is how you should treat a woman.

>>18668860
>What's the difference between making a woman feel safe and being a simp?
To feel safe, they actually need to get beaten
Look how many men beat their wives, violence is what makes them feel protected.

>My injuries include 18 broken bones around my eyes, my nose is broken in 2 places. I am missing teeth and several more are broken. I am unable to chew, or see out of my left eye. My speech is slurred from my swelling and lack of teeth. I have a fractured rib and severely ruptured liver from a kick to my side. My leg is so badly injured, I have not been able to walk on my own. I also attained several lesions from a knife he got from my kitchen. He pushed the knife into me in some areas including my hand, ear and head. He also sawed much of my hair off with his dull knife.

>>18668627
>Why do women always need to feel safe?
Monke brain geared for making babies but they've changed babies into having fun. Until they're old, then it's babies again.

>>18668887
White women looks the best on average.

>>18668883
I think he means you shouldnt care that much about it.

>>18668771
>>18668641
>>18668596
>>18668497
>>18668483
>>18668482
>>18668450
To summarize these in a way that is not a meme: Try not be too conscious about how you appear when you are interacting. If you try to be someone you are not, it is easy to notice. If your self isnt attractive, work on it. Confident and looks are the best, but if you just get enough money you will find someone who will be with you.

>>18668897
As a man under 6 feet I can tell you right now that there are plenty of men I walk by every day who could overpower me and rape me. I'm not even some twink, I'm /fit/ but it's just mechanics that some guy who's got similar muscle proportions to me and is 4-6 inches taller than me can probably fuck me up 1v1 all else equal. That doesn't mean it's everyone's job to coddle me at every instance and make me feel safe or some shit, and it never will be because I'm a man. If women can't exist without that extra privilege then shouldn't men get some extra privileges in return to even things out?

>>18668412
Read the book she recommends.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMl0Ze22rDA

>>18668928
>As a man under 6 feet I can tell you right now that there are plenty of men I walk by every day who could overpower me and rape me.
This is why everyone should carry a weapon at all times. Not even a yankee.

>>18668887
value is derived from scarcity

>>18668698
Behold the chronic frustration of the intellectual.

As if words matter! Tone is all that matters. Animals don't need words to fuck and neither do you. The heavy lifting is your body language and hers. Words are the least important element in the recipe of seduction. Far far inferior to laughter or touch. Belief in the fantasy of word's importance is the sign of too much reading and too little lived experience.

>>18668876
You underestimate the power of simping.
>>18668887
>Asian
Lol, what race are you? It’s because they’re the easiest and most attractive

>>18668898
Ok I guess that makes sense. Idk I'm still kind of paranoid because it seems like if you do anything for women they immediately try to take advantage of it and everything they say they want seems to just setups to make you seem unattractive to them.

>>18668917
Idk I've been not caring about women my entire life and I'm still a virgin in my mid 20s so clearly I have to care about them to some extent in order to sleep with them?

>>18668903
based

>>18668412
>is there a book how to talk to women and make good first impressions?
Any doorstopper will do, personally I recommend the Iliad. Just be sure to have a firm stance when you stand atop them, the added inches has a very drastic effect on the female psychology but not half so much as falling down might.

>>18668951
You could just name of the book instead of linking the video you subhuman

>>18668928
I can't believe you are this dense. It is not the same because you do not possess a pussy. Women constantly are aware of how much attention they receive just by existing and possessing a pussy. Men, like yourself, are invisible. It's a different problem for each gender. Women will never have to cope with invisibility until they are past the age of reproduction and men will never experience suffocating and potentially dangerous levels of attention. Imagine if all those big men you pass on the street stared at you with lust en masse every day of your life.

>>18668979
Anon wouldn't be motivated to read without context.

>>18668887
>like Asians
no-one wants to fuck insects, anon

>>18668994
>Imagine if all those big men you pass on the street stared at you with lust en masse every day of your life.
I'm a woman since 2 years ago and this is just an insane fiction you've deluded yourself into believing. Most men do not stare and act like regular humans, not animals. It's mostly besotted Mexican pygmies who openly gawk at every female that passes because they have no need of an inner censor since they are without prospects to gain or lose regardless.

>>18668994
>oh no everyone in the world pretends I'm interesting and wants to do things for me because of my pussy haha guess you need to always make me feels safe now lol
This just goes back to me ultimate point. If women inherently demand certain privileges by nature of their biology than shouldn't certain other privileges be bestowed to men as well? Sort of calls into question the whole organization of society we have.

>>18669028

>>18668450
If I'd be myself, I'd be sitting at home browsing shitty imageboards.

>>18669081
That is ok, anon. I'm doing it too. What do you think is wrong with you?

>>18668412
How to Win Friends and Influence People is good, but it only workers on Boomers and older.

>>18669028
>I'm a woman since 2 years ago
sometimes I forget I live on this planet

Do not try to impress women anon.
The hotter a woman is, the most egocentric they are. You are just one among many trying to seduce her. Unless she approaches you first, it is a waste of time. And if she flirts with you, there is a chance she just does it for fun (has happened to me).

Be yourself, and if a woman is interested in you she will let you know somehow. Being with a woman just because you went full try hard will not be rewarding. You will get starfish sex.

I just want a hot goth GF without doing anything and despite having no prospects, no job, no car and still living with my parents.

>>18668512
>t. woman
Trannies aren’t women, dude

>>18669190
STOOOP! You're going to break my 4 hour no-fap streak!

>>18668412
just rape them

>>18668412
/lit/

>>18668970
If you didn't care about women, then why would you want to sleep with them? Even if you only care so far as trying to get your rocks off, it still constitutes a form of 'caring'.

>>18669029
>anon is completely incapable of understanding another person's point of view
Classic. The line of inquiry wasn't even about an 'obligation' to keep women safe, just their preference for feeling safe around men. If you can't understand that, it might be too late for you.

>>18668960
>As if words matter! Tone is all that matters. Animals don't need words to fuck and neither do you. The heavy lifting is your body language and hers. Words are the least important element in the recipe of seduction. Far far inferior to laughter or touch. Belief in the fantasy of word's importance is the sign of too much reading and too little lived experience.
A girl bit my ear while she was massaging my back
We never fucked
Feels bad, man

I mostly agree with what you're saying btw

>>18668432
just turn off your brain
the reason you can't talk to women is because you're a overthinking sperg, just turn off your brain for a bit and stop thinking what to say and what to do and your insticts will take over.
Its literally that easy

>>18669190
>The hotter a woman is, the most egocentric they are. You are just one among many trying to seduce her. Unless she approaches you first, it is a waste of time. And if she flirts with you, there is a chance she just does it for fun (has happened to me)
True
> Being with a woman just because you went full try hard will not be rewarding. You will get starfish sex.
Hmmm not sure about this

>>18668970
You sound like me. Dont stress about losing virginity, it is not that big of a deal. I lost mine last year at age 28. It did not make me feel amazing or special, it just made me feel sad and weak. After that I have slept with another woman. I never thought about making them feel safe at any point, that is why I say dont care about thinking about making them feel safe.

>>18669292
This. But it is easier said than done. Stop worrying about yourself and how you appear in the moment every moment. It is harder for introverts, but it is possible.

>>18669190
Starfish sex is better than no sex.

>>18669190
Flirting can be better than sex. I've had more fun flirting than a few of my questionable drunken one night stand uggos. Flirting needs to be higher valued and sex less valued. Hell, the idea of prolonged flirting is all but dead because of casual sex culture. A real shame.

>>18669275
There is an obligation if you want to interact with them, is what you're saying. And increasingly this is being formalized in places like offices and universities where there is a constant push to "educate" men on how to give women special treatment while pretending that this special treatment isn't special treatment at all.

read this, then watch movies featuring men that are popular among women.

>>18669361
Why is the thought of sex sexier than sex? Like a mostly naked woman is sexier than a completely naked one.

>>18669343
>it is easier said than done
its just needs a little practice like everything else but you will get it pretty fast
you see a girl that you like? open your mouth and say something before you think about it
a cute girl says something to you? just say the first think that pops into your head, don't try to be "witty" or smart or anything, just speak. You will be surprised at how rarely you will fuck up this way
You are a man and you are literally built for this, every fiber of your being is geared towards this. Just let it happen

>>18669361
Unironically, how does one even flirt?

>>18669254
I mean like outwardly, I always tried to not seem like I cared even though I always wanted to sleep with them. Media always made it seem like that's how you get girls to lust after you but then nothing ever really happened so I'm thinking that was a dumb strategy.

>>18669361
Honestly I have more fun building sexual tension with a girl than I have doing sexual things with them.

>>18668512
I sometimes think I should learn how to talk to women, I'm approaching 30 and never had a gf, but when I remember how many thousands of hours of torturous training it would take, I know I will never do it. I just don't have the willpower to put in the work. I think the real gift some are born with is the ability to enjoy practicing talking to women, so they naturally and painlessly improve their skills. I just hate, hate, hate it. And I'm not generally lazy, I do work out, eat healthy and am in shape, work hard at my job, make good money, always excelled in school and am skilled at my hobbies. Not even an angry incel woman hater. Talking to women is just one of my least favorite activities of all time, it's completely draining and exhausting, and worse than any chore. I suspect I'd enjoy it more if I were better but it just seems like a completely impassable gulf to get there.

>>18668887
Asian girls are exclusively for white BVLLS only

>>18669401
>>18669361
This is either a cope or false

Flirting is fun, yes, but if it leads to nothing it's just extremely irritating.
You liked that pizza, the good wine and the ice cream? Yeah, now put two fingers in the back of your throat and throw it up. The meal was still tasty and enjoyable though, uh?

>>18669394
flirting is just chatting without hiding that you want to bang her

>>18669442
>The meal was still tasty and enjoyable though, uh?
Yes binging and purging is based and lindy

>>18669414
>I do work out, eat healthy and am in shape, work hard at my job, make good money, always excelled in school and am skilled at my hobbies
>I'm approaching 30 and never had a gf
If what you say it's true, there should be loads of women trying to settle down with you. Only thing I can imagine is that you're an insufferable asshole. I'm not saying this as an insult, it's the only explanation that comes to my mind to explain the contradictions between the two above statements

>>18669379
Kek

Everyone's talking about how to meet women, but WHERE do you meet women? (apart from horrific places like nightclubs)

>>18668412
I would say that women generally want a man who are comfortable and fun to be around. Learning to be that type of man involves good social skills, which is where I am pretty weak.

>>18668494
It probably has to do with the way we’re socialized. Maybe gender plays a role, but think about how much the way children are encouraged results in the way adults are formed.

Of course the seduction is where the pleasure lies. The orgasm is just the outcome, the denouement of the seduction.

>>18669486
I can think of cafes, dog parks, local game stores, churches, and of course, work.

>>18669486
make friends and hope that they've got female friends or sisters

>>18669191
>getting something for nothing
Life isn’t like that; you will feel an unease

>>18669466
I'm in the same situation as him only I'm in my mid 20s and also a virgin. I haven't talked to a woman in a year. I don't even know where you go to talk to them. Why do you people always say "oh well you're /fit/, have money, have friends, etc you should be rolling in women!" Where? Where would they come from? Should they be falling out of the sky like rain? There's no way to magically find a bunch of women who are looking for guys with money and muscles and shit. THey don't even want that type of stuff.

>>18669509
you have juvenile trash taste like all weebs and like all weebs you never fucked anything but your favorite hand in your life
climaxing into a woman who's also having an orgasm and squeezing the soul out of your dick with her vagina is without a doubt the most intense pleasure a man can experience, and it's followed by a dreamlike feeling of fulfillment that you will never fucking experience
I don't even understand how you mongoloids can yearn so much for pussy when you never even fucked
kys

>>18669553
Dating apps? Seek more social opportunities? And improve your social skills, maybe. I’m pretty cloistered but I’ve spoken to some older guys who’ve dated a lot and it seems like women want men who make them comfortable and are fun to be around.

>>18669466
Yes, that is true. I don't take it as an insult because I already know it. I have an autistic "well actually" tone to my voice that I have a hard time turning off. I only like talking about subjects that women find obnoxious, like the technical aspects of my job, guinea pig history and biology (I am a guinea pig enthusiast), science, philosophy, books, or whatever. Even saying it here sounds insufferable, I'm fully aware, but I don't watch tv or the news at all and I'm totally out of the loop with pop culture and whatever people like to talk about. I only know about showing interest in their job and hobbies but that can only go so far, women find it too intense and serious. I truly don't know what kind of filler words you are supposed to use with them.

Other problems I have is that I was known as creepy in college and all women hated me, not that I ever did "a thing" that was bad, but just gave off a creepy vibe that women hated. Like trying to talk to them with bad technique, appearing very desperate, looking at their breasts (I never realized they could tell until like junior year when someone told me) etc. I'm pretty sure they all talked about me and agreed that anyone who even dared to touch me would face ostracism.
Since college I moved back to a smaller city nearby Manhattan and commute to work there (or lately, work from home). I have my own largish apartment, but, there are almost no girls my age who live here. Dating means finding girls on dating apps, and going to them which can be over 1 hour commute. It's way too much work per-girl to make practice feel practical even if I did have the motivation. So, for the past 5 or 6 years, I've just been working and living alone and tending my guinea pigs. I have a handful of male friends, in town and in the surrounding area, but none of them are friends with any girls either.

>>18668432
>directions then?
step 1.
Talk to a woman
Step 2.
make a good first impression

simple as

>>18668512
London

>>18669582
No it seems like they want scumbags with beerguts and 0 career prospects. I surf, I go to concerts regularly, I go out to bars weekly. I went on a date with a girl once and when I told her I had a real job with a nice pay and stable future prospects she called me boring. Women don't want guys with money or who lift, it's not exciting and it takes up too much of your time doing things they think are boring. Dating apps are shit, I've swiped through hundreds of girls and the only girl I ever met irl from them is a girl I already knew from years before. They don't want to meet people on apps they just use them for ego boosts and stop replying as soon as you say a few lines in the chat.

>>18669584
You sound like an interesting person, but I also have weird interests like you. Honestly I think your best bet would be to find a girl who is just as interested in obscure things as you, and have good conversations over them and hopefully start dating. That’s personally what I’m holding out for. I prefer my own company to idle talk to pass the time.

>>18668928
>As a man under 6 feet I can tell you right now that there are plenty of men I walk by every day who could overpower me and rape me.
Fucking lost

>>18669621
Read
>women want men who make them comfortable and are fun to be around

Doesn’t sound like you are these things. Neither am I, but we can learn...

>>18669653

>>18669656
How am I not those things. My friends don't think I'm the opposite of boring. I have all sorts of hobbies that I do regularly, I love going out to bars and shit. I don't know what else that means.

>>18669028
Extremely based. Look how you riled them up

>>18669584
The sad truth is that you're nowhere enough into normie territory. You don't have to be clinically autistic, just a bit awkward + weird interests and it's over.

Absolutely despicable thread, full of simping and w*men-enabling. Jerk off and stop obsessing over this shit.

>>18669640
Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for too, it seems like really my only option. I don't know where to meet one of those girls though, they seem pretty rare and probably tend to be especially shy. And I don't even meet any girls at all anymore in the first place. I think I'll have to move to Manhattan or Brooklyn to even get a shot but I just really don't want to do it. Paying double the rent for 1/4 the square footage, being surrounded by people and noise, having to get rid of my car (which is basically my favorite possession) and having to give away my guinea pigs are completely unacceptable sacrifices that I will not make. Especially the last one. The thought of abandoning my little guys, who love me and squeak for me, to some retard who would hurt or mistreat them, the worst thing I can imagine.

>>18669711
>my guinea pigs are completely unacceptable sacrifices that I will not make. Especially the last one
Based
>The thought of abandoning my little guys, who love me and squeak for me, to some retard who would hurt or mistreat them, the worst thing I can imagine.
Don't do that anon

Pic of the little cute animals? :)

>>18669843
Here's my mom and sister holding them

>>18669672
I think this guy is correct. Modern women are narcissistic, self-absorbed women-children.

>>18669902
Not the whole adult child thing again. This is getting ridiculous. Come on, anons are supposed to read books. I mean, I don't really care if you are a misogynist, but at least be /lit/. Read some Schoppy.

>>18668412
who's she

>>18668627
Wild feral niggers and screeching lying Jews were let in the gate a long time ago, watch out!

>>18668512
>Show her that you can be both lighthearted and serious, if the situation demands it. When talking about a tragedy, you can joke around, but it pays off to also atleast look and act truly concerned and saddened by the loss of life (or whatever).
that's a sociopathic thing to say

>>18669584
>guinea pig history and biology (I am a guinea pig enthusiast)
Unfathomably based and most women would actually easily find that very endearing.

>I have an autistic "well actually" tone to my voice that I have a hard time turning off. I only like talking about subjects that women find obnoxious
Here's the real protip: learn to control and change your voice. It can easily be done, singers do it all the time. This may be a silver bullet. It's not that women find the subjects obnoxious, it's your voice. A boring voice kills absolutely anything. It is an absolutely catastrophic trait, almost always overlooked, but it can easily be remedied.

I had a very similar experience to yours until two different women in the span of a week angrily told me my voice was murderously boring. One was a woman I was dating, the other was a highly respected professor, and she was angry as fuck about it as well. It was uncanny that they were both angry about it - especially the professor, as one would assume she'd not care or at least show professionalism in her criticism (I had presented a paper at a conference), but no, she was full of piss and vinegar about it.

I changed my voice, and lo and behold, people no longer find the shit I talk about obnoxious.

Looks fellas, I was a 24 year old virgin when I met my girlfriend (an 8/10 girl that was 21 years old.)

The best advice I can give you is to treat women like you would your male friends. Don't put them on any kind of pedestal. Women are more nervous and shy than men when it comes to making moves romantically.

Be confident, don't show weakness, remain calm and be yourself. If you really want to drive women crazy, on a date or something, pull out your phone and pretend to text someone in a pish posh way, make it look like you have other things you could be doing, other broads to see.

Goodluck op

>>18669951
Only a sociopath would know!

>>18669479
I'm not even joking.

acting at a high level is essentially just learning to be someone else, no?

>>18669898
They big, I thought they were hand sized or something

>>18669918
Arthur said exactly that about women btw
That women are at an intermediate stadium between man and child, they never fully grow into adults and thats why theyre better around childreb

>>18669902
>I think this guy is correct. Modern women are narcissistic, self-absorbed women-children.
Most of the time they are, but I didn't mean that with my post.
This is my opinion and someone will call me buzzwords but judging from the relationships I've been in, it's just that women are generally much more conformist and rigid than men and less open to new ideas. The male gender is the adventurous gender. Men go out there and experiment, they're more prone to saying stupid things with the knowledge they might be stupid. Men "dare". But women like conformity, they're obsessed with it, and you could say that conformity is an aspect of safety. This is probably why they feel attracted to these guys who look like criminals and act like criminals: these guys are pretty much the face of modern fashion. If today you want to look like a successful "normal" person you're going to look like someone who beats women. Women like that man because they see that this kind of man is popular and approved by "the world", which for most normies is fashion, corp branding, and so on. All normies are stupid and they worship corporations but women in particular do because they get their very sense of reality from advertisement and branding.
Even when they are part of an "alternative" current of culture, women tend to adopt things that they can observe and evaluate, like aesthetics, or only repeat things that reputable people said. It's not because they're stupid or childish. Women are very much capable of articulate thought, they just can't risk it. Women are actually much more "mature" than men on average. Women have more "grit" about life than men. I haven't really met any women who experienced the sort of Weltschmerz I feel. At best, women feel indignation, disgust etc. These are all contact emotions, you see bad thing you feel indignated. But that lingering unease that chews away, they don't seem to be able to experience it. They're pretty much immune to depression compared to men who actually get to the point where they kill themselves. Women just complain when they're depressed.
Generally modern women act like they're extremely scared of being "out of line". That's probably also why they're the prime pushers for all the woke rights, in this ideal world where nothing is bad or wrong, everyone is beautiful, nobody can fail, it will be impossible to be out of line. Progressive women's push for this new extremely liberal society is in fact an act toward conformity. Being awkward alone as a men doesn't matter much actually. But if you are awkward AND you have weird interests, you are outside of the Venn diagram of conformity in the female mind. So they discard you.

>>18669952
Yeah, women do like the guinea pigs. I have had women over to my apartment before and they've only generated positive reactions. They're not enough to pull a whole gf though.
>Improve voice
Need the redpill on this. Is there a book about it? YouTube training videos? Coaches/classes? I've actually tried this before but I can't make myself talk differently without reading from a script, and it sounds like very bad acting. It takes a lot of mental resources to focus on my tone, it would need to become fully second nature to become actually usable in a real situation. I already use at least 20% of my focus remembering to stand up straight and another 20% remembering to look into the other person's eyes for the right amount of time instead of looking at their mouth or the ground. I don't have a lot of extra "active focus" to spread to even more things.

>>18670070
The guinea pigs are adorable btw.
>Need the redpill on this.
Learn to use your diaphragm. Look up singing lessons or diaphragmatic breathing online. It's one of those things you have to "get".

>>18669952
>had a very similar experience to yours until two different women in the span of a week angrily told me my voice was murderously boring. One was a woman I was dating, the other was a highly respected professor, and she was angry as fuck about it as well. It was uncanny that they were both angry about it - especially the professor, as one would assume she'd not care or at least show professionalism in her criticism (I had presented a paper at a conference), but no, she was full of piss and vinegar about it.
anon this is fucking hilarious

>>18670080
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I "get it" mechanically speaking. Remembering to do it all the time, and doing it while talking naturally IRL, is a completely different story. Same with my posture, I know how to stand up straight and walk without autistic gait but even after many years of practice I still have to do it consciously.

>>18670134
These are things you can train yourself to achieve. It's always difficult at first. The most important thing is that you care about fixing these issues you see with yourself for no other reason that you think they make you a worse person. You shouldn't do that with the goal of looking better in the eyes of women or some other thing.

>>18669414
I'm in my mid 20s and this is me to a T. I want to escape but I can't so I might just eat a gun in my 30s

>>18670216
Get out of this mindset and get something done right now because when you're 30 there will really be no escape

>>18670032
See? How difficult it is? Does that mean 'women-children'?

>>18670063
>All normies are stupid and they worship corporations but women in particular do because they get their very sense of reality from advertisement and branding.
Great post. You can see how much influence and power the media has and unless you are a cowardly retard you can also see what psychotic demonic group of self-worshipping narcissistic psychopaths own and run the media and why we’re all fucked until that changes.

>>18669952
>I had a very similar experience to yours until two different women in the span of a week angrily told me my voice was murderously boring. One was a woman I was dating, the other was a highly respected professor, and she was angry as fuck about it as well. It was uncanny that they were both angry about it - especially the professor, as one would assume she'd not care or at least show professionalism in her criticism (I had presented a paper at a conference), but no, she was full of piss and vinegar about it.
>I changed my voice, and lo and behold, people no longer find the shit I talk about obnoxious.
This is why I still come to 4chan. Where else in the universe are you going to read or learn about something like this lol?

>>18668432
unironically if you are completely lost, just watch a ton of pick up artist youtube for like one year and then get out of there before it rots your brain and leave with the knowledge and experience gained. you will be set. pick up artistry is incredibly dumb but its very very valuable for social retards to immerse themselves in for a LIMITED time only. you should try it

>>18670268
>just watch a ton of pick up artist youtube for like one year
that's seriously terrible advice if he just wants to look nomal and have a normal date

>>18670222
>get something done right now
I have no idea what it is that I have to do though. I have tried, but it always leads me to the same feeling that it was not worth the effort I put in. I've asked out and dated girls at uni, I've tried dating apps but they're a shitshow for the obvious reasons (I'm banned anyway now for sending deleuze to a girl who pretended she was into philosophy). But when I do go on dates, I cannot for the life of me relate to them in any way so after 2 or 3 dates we both inevitably get bored and go our separate ways. I'm not at all being dramatic when I say that I am simply not compatible with the dating process and I doubt anything can fix it.

>>18670156
>The most important thing is that you care about fixing these issues you see with yourself for no other reason that you think they make you a worse person.
But, I don't. I don't think those things matter in the true quality of a person at all, and in an ideal world they wouldn't be socially evaluated as markers of fitness either. I don't inherently care about those things. I just have to contend with the reality that if I want to reproduce, and experience female companionship and romantic love before I die, then I have to present myself with the appropriate posture and tone. I know a lot of people think of that mindset as "selling out" or some form of simping, but my ultimate objective is to be pragmatic.

>>18669486
both of my cousins found their wives online. im convinced that it's pretty much the only place to find women nowadays cause it's socially unacceptable to approach them in public/work

>>18670277
I disagree with you. That was good advice. The autist needs to go 180° in the opposite direction first before correcting 90° back. Sometime you need to go extreme in a different direction before finding the middle (sub human normie) path

>>18670241
>we’re all fucked until that changes.
It's not going to change. In our scientifically minded society we're going to discard opinions and adopt a metrical value for everything. This ties into fashion and everything else and social media blew it up by giving it a factual, measurable means to be evaluated.
The reason why women find obejctive reality in advertisement and other corporate broadcasts is that there's factually no better indicator of what constitutes conformity that this season's trendiest thing. You don't have to like Armani's new shit. It would be simply unfathomable to think the new Armani thing is not trendy. It's not an opinion, it just is. Social media is inherently a female realm, and the realm of feminized men, because it's not an opinion if someone has 1 million followers. He just does.
This is why I think women don't care much about safety in the primal sense anymore, but they've translated safety into conformity. If you look at all the guesswork describing women's safety-based decision making and wondering why they act so weird, that behavior immediately makes sense if you change safety into conformity.

>>18669584
>but just gave off a creepy vibe that women hated
this book is good at outlining how women calculate the creep factor and how to negate it, basically it's a sliding scale and it's your job to slide it to the acceptable level of creepiness, a lot of it comes down to being non-needy.

>>18670359
>mark manson
dropped

>>18670280
>(I'm banned anyway now for sending deleuze to a girl who pretended she was into philosophy)
Brother I’ve read this whole thread and you have kept me entertained with every post. Banned for Deleuze posting irl lol. You need to find a way to harness this innate based autism of yours. You sound like a interesting and good man. I think you should suck it up and take on the view that finding a woman is a great game then apply your autism to winning the game. Every aspect of dating and marriage and family can be systematically deconstructed and broken down into steps. Use your autism to do this in a cold calculating way. Then when you get a women close you can start humanizing with her. Good luck brother.

>>18670288
I understand your point of view perfectly but you need to understand that your body, and your posture, your tone of voice, are also you. You are your whole being, including these aspects about yourself. You probably think that being articulate when you speak is more important than delivering your words in a healthy tone of voice. Why? You can probably deliver the same raw meaning through inarticulate speech. Then why is being articulate important? I'm definitely not /fit/ but this aspect of yourself, that you are also your body, your posture, your mannerisms, and that these things matter as much as the "interior" aspects of yourself, your thoughts, your education, is important and neglecting it, while it's a perfectly valid way of carrying about, says something about yourself.

>>18669584
>looking at their breasts (I never realized they could tell until like junior year when someone told me)
People in general like when they talk to them looking at their eyes. This annoys the shit out of me, but you will have to practice doing it if you want to deal with women. Because they will think you are faking something or hiding whatever.

>>18669584
And I'll be honest with you, anon. It is just not worth changing over it. You are not missing much, if anything at all.

>>18670334
>This is why I think women don't care much about safety in the primal sense anymore, but they've translated safety into conformity.
This is a great realization and I think you are correct. How did you reach this conclusion? Is there something more I can read about this? Fantastic post.

>>18670433
>How did you reach this conclusion?
I just type in a steam of consciousness style and it came up, that's why my posts are a mess usually

>>18670390
I read it before I found out he wrote that other book, Models is unironcally a decent guide book for men trying to understand women better, it's more about improving yourself not bamboozling women with gimmicks

>>18670401
I think you're confusing me with the guinea pig guy, I'm >>18670216 my autism is nowhere near as based as that guys. Nevertheless, your advice seems interesting and I'll be ruminating on it in the back of my mind for the next week. Sometimes good things happen after I go through these processes.

>>18669191
Same.

>>18670359
Reading this now, seems like a great recommendation so far. I'm most of the way through chapter 3 and it's saying a lot of things that I never thought of at all, but which make perfect sense. I wish I had read this 10 years ago.

>>18669951
So?

>>18668412

No books, that would arguably make it worse. You need to be comfortable with yourself and not act in a way that is outcome-based. Have fun, make jokes, ask genuine questions, gauge chemistry and go with instinct rather than methodology.

>>18668412
You just have to treat them like shit, say mean things to them at first and then slowly over time transition to being loving/kind

Why are they like this? I have no fucking idea.

>>18671928
go out

>>18669028
>I'm a woman since 2 years ago
Could you give us a gender review? Is life as a woman on the whole better or worse than life as a man? And by that I more specifically mean the treatment you get from other people

I've never actively sought out a woman, they've always come to me. I wouldn't even know how to go about it. Don't know if I'll ever meet a woman I'd like to pursue, I've found that I find most people intolerable. Women moreso.

>>18668412
Yes. Ideally a big thick hardcover so you can easily knock them out before dragging their unconscious body into a dark alley.

>>18668412
Pee your pants and look her into her eyes and look proud whilst doing it.
If she likes water sports she will fall for you then and there.

>>18668450
>I did everything you want, became whoever you want. What else should I do for you to love me?
>Bee yourself

>>18668450

>>18668412
It's called testosterone.

Start juicing and you'll get all the attention you crave.

>>18673247

>>18668412
>Excreting is the curse that threatens madness because it shows man his abject finitude, his physicalness, the likely unreality of his hopes and dreams. But even more immediately, it represents man's utter bafflement at the sheer non-sense of creation: to fashion the sublime miracle of the human face, the mysterium tremendum of radiant female beauty, the veritable goddesses that beautiful women are; to bring this out of nothing, out of the void, and make it shine in noonday; to take such a miracle and put miracles again within it, deep in the mystery of eyes that peer out-the eye that gave even the dry Darwin a chill; to do all this, and to combine it with an anus that shits! It is too much.


Ernest Becker, The Denial of Death

>>18672988
>Could you give us a gender review?
Hello YouTube, i just got my Vagina™ and I'll be unboxing it for you today. Pheww what's this horrible smell haha

>>18673247
this was the image that turned me vegan

>>18669190
>Being with a woman just because you went full try hard will not be rewarding.
This a thousand times. The idea that you have to "play the game" and seduce a woman by essentially pretending to be something you're not is one of the most unhealthy ideas in contemporary ideas towards sex and romance. It is – literally – just manipulation. You put up a certain front in order to accomplish an objective. This is all well and good if you're chasing one of those basal, animalistic sexual experiences. The problem is that if you're looking for a genuine relationship, you will either have to keep up that front forever, since that is the person the woman is interested in, or let her realize you aren't actually who she thought you were. It's a gigantic waste of time for everyone involved and actively works against your chances of finding genuine emotional closeness with another human being.

You absolutely can get good enough at playing the game to have sex. It is, after all, just a set of behaviors corresponding to a pattern which has a higher chance of triggering some kind of evolutionary sexual impulse in women. The dark side to this is that once you've had a lot of sex resulting from this dynamic, you may become one of those horror stories where you can pull one night stands every night of the week but you can't get a single one of them to stick around. Additionally, there exist some women unfamiliar with the dynamic, so you could be essentially taking advantage of them. There are huge amounts of stories from women who thought a guy was really interested in them – read: highly polished socially – but ended up just pumping and dumping them. This just contributes to the already unhealthy social dynamics of the highly depersonalized and commodified postmodern dating market, which pretty much everyone actually hates.

Don't be one of those gay fuck boys, especially if you want a relationship with honesty and openness. Work on who you actually are inside instead of what you present as.

>>18668412
David X - Be Relentless

>>18669584
Find yourself a girl with legit autism, it’s your openly hope anon. Try animal owner forums desu. Any girl who’s autistic about her pets will do.

>>18673515
>Try animal owner forums desu. Any girl who’s autistic about her pets will do.
This has secret knowledge vibes.

>>18673529
Just don’t date girls who are really into their dogs. Trust me

>>18673529
It really does. Looking back at my history with girls, I think I also know what pet I should look for.

>>18673532
Was she always buying peanut butter?

>>18673551
No but she did draw porn of dogs fucking her self insert oc

>>18673564
Ironically white women's passion for getting fucked by dogs ties into the conformity discourse from before: Dogs are the most popular pet both in real life and advertisement, and everyone says they're good boys.

>>18668412
>>18668831
Here. This is what you seek.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLh8oUx_ONafVSS0Sk3ToWOdTIjivPbcDI
pretend it's an Audiobook

>>18673607
but women don't fuck the good boys

>>18668412
The best book for understanding the body language involved in first impressions is Undercover Sex Symbols by Leil Lowndes

Not gonna recommend a book but I’ll give some advice. There’s 2 major ways of going about it.

1. Play a stereotype. Some women (retarded ones) literally want a ‘type’ of boy to try out. A guy covered in tattoos or someone really spiritual. If you literally play some stereotype of a dude that a girl likes and your not a total retard you can get some medium teir pussy. It’s not gonna last but it would probably help build your confidence massively. It can be quite good to ‘play’ a character in social situations to liven it up. More astute people will recognise this but it can genuinely work and give you a better rep. I have done this in the past and it worked.

2. Just BEE yourself. If your confident with who you are and in full understanding of your hobbies, life goals and interests women will notice you. They love confidence and if you exude it they can’t help but be attracted. You probably aren’t blessed with confidence deriving from your appearance so base it on something else. Also literally just talk about what you like then get her involved. This will also massively help you withe weeding out boring/self obsessed women.

I grew up with a sister who I’m very close with so I have a good understanding of women on a friendship level and she has always told me about the type of boys she hates. So I always got a heads up in that regard.

>>18668412
YES METAPHYSICS GIRL IS BACK

>>18673740
>in full understanding of your hobbies, life goals and interests women will notice you
Even if that hobby is not common with her? For example, if a guy has an autistic amount of knowledge on cars, and she doesn't know anything about it, I don't understand how that'll keep her interested

>>18673836
here, to boost your confidence or something, literally just be yourself
reurl.cc (slash) NrEOlm

>>18673740
Adding to your post, if you're an "intellectual" type you have to go full pseud. Girls loved me when I used to be an obnoxious pseud. AH MY BRAIN IS SO BIG, I AM SUCH A THINKER, LOOK AT THESE THOUGHTS I HAVE. And I'd run my mouth on things I didn't understand. And older girls thought I was a sensitive, extraordinary person and fell in love with me.
BTW have you banged your sister anon?

>>18673647
Yeah, they just get conned by the bad ones until they realize that shitty people are, surprisingly, actually kind of shitty.

>>18673876
>Girls loved me when I used to be an obnoxious pseud
The "pseud" garbage is a pretty uniquely male dynamic. We're just as hierarchical as women are, but we tend to stratify ourselves based on more concrete metrics than just basic social desirability. It's actually kind of sad that you've internalized the "pseud" shit, because it's not a very healthy self-image. If you accept it as some kind of authoritative metric you're gonna be seeing the shadows of pseudery everywhere you look.

>>18673899
I do not see the shadows of pseudery everywhere, not sure how you got to this conclusion that pseudery is some kind of all encompassing threat in my life. What else can I call someone, in this case myself, who runs his mouth on concepts he doesn't understand to look smart? A poser?

>>18673914
Human.

>>18673836
It does depend on the hobby to a certain extent. I have a very keen interest in birds and poetry as well as sailing. So, I can get quite nerdy with these hobbies yet still talk about things which do in fact have a lot of beauty.

Talk about the beauty of birds mating dances and they always find it cool, at least the ones i like.

BUT theyre are loads of girls who like cars. as long as you don't just autistically talk about the specifications of the cars but inject emotion into it, they will like. OR at least get why you like it.

>>18673951
Oh fuck off

>>18673876
Nah, your completely wrong. Women can smell pseudry (good, intelligent women). Talk about what you know and talk about it's beauty. girls will dig this.

>>18674001
>Nah, your completely wrong.
So those girls were a product of my imagination?

>>18674008
I'm sure they wasn't. Just it's hard to base a meaningfull relationship (which i Imagine is what OP wants) on pseudointellectual nonsense. If she doesn't catch you out someone else will and it will all be for nothing. Also getting into the habit of intentionally misleading women is stupid. you'll just end up with uninteresting women

>>18674032
>Also getting into the habit of intentionally misleading women is stupid. you'll just end up with uninteresting women
This. When it comes down to it, do you really and actually want to be with a woman you were able to literally dupe into believing some """"Alpha Male"""" persona is actually who you are? Anyone with a bit of brains will eventually see through it.

>>18674032
>Also getting into the habit of intentionally misleading women
But I didn't say I was intentionally doing that. I was just a young pseud.

>>18673861
huh, I guess anything can turn them on

>>18674045
As opposed to what? Are you now a Fully Grown Tru-Intellectual?

>>18674045
not judging bro, I've done the same. Just saying OP should a avoid it if he can.

>>18668512
>Speak about things you know she's interested in

Women dont have any interest worth discussing. Every conversation with a woman is a means to an end

>>18674053
No, I'm just honest with myself and I try not to talk about things I have no clue about. This doesn't impress anyone though.

>>18673740
>Just be yourself
I dont even know who I am

>>18674111
you are who you are

>Just be yourself
but I'm a sperg that nobody likes

kek, no wonder women hate you retards
you don't want a girl, you guys just want a babysitter to mother you
get your shit together, faggot

>>18668512
>t. woman
aand discarded everything I just read

>>18674133
>you don't want a girl, you guys just want a babysitter to mother you
Uh, yes? Women should serve men.

>>18669383
Because the cocktail of arousal chemicals are more intoxicating than the physical pleasure of sex itself (which can be highly variable)

How do you get over adult virginity? Women hate inexperience and delusional about how hard it is for men in the first place.

>>18674675
just stop giving a shit
they're impressionable, so if you act with absolute confidence that it's literally not even an issue, they'll be charmed by you to the point of not caring
remember, Absolute Confidence

>>18674288
based

>>18674681
Ok, i'll try.

>>18674937
start by convincing yourself that virginity is a literal non-issue, because it is

>>18674944
Ok. Won't they be able to tell though?

>>18674971
tell what?
Convince yourself, exude confidence, embody confidence, it's a literal non-issue

>>18674978
Ok.

>>18674971
Some worn-out party thot who measures the amount of dick she's taken in miles might talk shit. A girl who genuinely likes you enough to want to jump your bones? She will categorically NOT give a fuck. What's the secret? Cunnilingus. So many men are so bad at sex that virginity (or lack thereof) isn't a reasonable predictor of sexual competence by a long shot. The nice thing about eating pussy is that every girl is different. If she won't walk you through it and what she likes (heavy incentive for her to do so, she gets off as the reward) then you can still just experiment until you find what works.

The ONLY way virginity is ANY issue at all is if YOU make it into one. Yeah, it's scary being a virgin and it's scary to be exposed, but ultimately: nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Oh, and for the record, literally nothing changes once you lose your virginity. There's no way for you to understand that but no pearly gates open, no great cosmic truth is uncovered, nobody rolls out a red carpet for you. There's no special not-virgin seating area at your favorite restaurant. You're literally the same as you were before. It's an artificial barrier you've placed in front of yourself, and once you jump over it, you find that the other side is pretty much exactly the same as the one you left – your dick just smells faintly of fish and maybe you've got some poop under your fingernails. If you're lucky, she wasn't on her period and you don't have to buy new sheets.

Ok, I understand, thanks anon.

>>18669613
this

>>18669372
The thread was on 'how to make a good impression on a girl', not on workplace policies. I'm not sure what you mean by their being an obligation. Presumably that, in order for you to not be looked at funny, a person has to oblige to social norms. If it is, then you're probably an insane person since every human has social norms they have to at least acknowledge, if not pursue.

>>18668412
lmao this is EXACTLY why men are horrible with women. You don't learn how to talk to a woman by reading a fucking book. You have to live through your feelings and intuition. Evolution has given women a much keener sense of emotional communication than men (think about the difference between implicit and explicit communication, nearly every argument I've ever been in with all the girls i've ever dated has been trouble on not meshing on these points), you need to get in touch with this part of yourself if you want to do this well: you're in your head, move the energy into your chest. Seriously, this is very good advice i'm offering you, please take this down. I'm not sure it's possible without a lot of meditation (as it is in my case) but whenever I want to socialize and not be the awkward nerd I used to be I just move my energy away from my head, my judgments about the situation, and live in my feeling the moment.
It's very strange how well it works; i'll be feeling uncomfortable, unsure of what to say, and i just move into my heart and suddenly know what to say and how to approach the situation. You're not present when you're inventing all these interpretations about whats going on because that's NOT what's ever going on. The situation is always silent, learn to hear this silence and you'll be much better at this. Communication, relationships and love developed APART from the logical framework which you are too used to using. Ie, there is a part of your brain which you have been neglecting that already understands everything I'm telling you. Just practice and don't get caught up in your mistakes because every opportunity is a learning experience. It will come in time.

>>18668960
this guy gets it

>>18675500
also dress nice that is essential
good luck op you will truly be the ladys man we all know you can be

>>18675500
So what you’re saying is that I need to turn my brain off to get along with women? Doesn’t sound very appealing desu but it does explain why I can only tolerate them under heavy influence of alcohol.

>>18668928
>men get raped too

>>18675543
No, you are (with incredible irony) misunderstand the word 'brain.' We were not designed by millions of years old evolution to only do algebra. Live in your emotions, not your reason.

>>18675500
What? No, you are over complicating it. There is literally no need to do any meditation thing or whatever. Just treat them like people, treat women like you would treat any other anon. It is that simple, let hormones do their thing and whatever. You are right that this is a natural thing, but people rationalize it and end up making it seems like more than it should be. Unironically, the hard part is to not let anything happen.

>>18668453
I agree with all of this except the last part.

Learning how to talk to people is a skill you can develop after age 15.

The defeatism in this thread stems from the fact that people don't want to put the effort in. It's easier to believe that they aged out of their chance to learn.

>>18675500
This

>>18675573
We’ve also evolved past the need of animalistic mindless reproduction. Whether you want to admit it or not, that’s exactly what you’re recommending - primitive sexuality and genital instincts rather than sober judgement. I’m not disagreeing with you, it’s perfectly consistent with my experience, simply questioning if it’s worth it for a man, to debase and lower himself to this level.

>>18669278

>8th grade
>big titty cute gf with red hair
>sneak out and meetup at night
>laying on me on the street at night middle of the road
>”what’s in those pants anon”
>me: wow look at the stars
>proceed to 9th grade
>in school bathroom alone with this chick
>only making out because too scared to get caught
>break up with her because I became a jesus fag from parental pressure

Opportunities gone, lost like tears in the rain.

>>18675638
If it's of any consolation, she probably took 1'000'000'000'000'000'000 dicks of assorted shape, color and size since you broke up.

>>18675612
>to debase and lower himself to this level.
oh my god talking to you is a nightmare. You ALREADY function on this level in innumerable ways. When you listen to Beethoven you're not thinking the entire time about the math and physics which produce it, you listen to as it is in the moment. Yes, you can use your understanding of classical music to enhance the experience intellectually, but everyone who knows will tell you that at the end of the day it's not really about any of that.
To say that what I'm proposing is "become caveman, sex pretty girl" is a gross misinterpretation of everything I've typed. "Sober judgement" does not exist apart from living emotionally, they can be incorporated into one another. Ie, the reason I don't like my Id rule the show and ask women uncomfortable questions before I've gotten to know them.

>>18675648

No doubt lol. I only regret it in the sense that it put me into a cycle of absolute cringe from 15-18 (and a little beyond). I took the blessings of youth and made it about some ideological commitment I knew nothing about. “Have sex” was literally the answer I needed.

>>18675575
>There is literally no need to do any meditation thing or whatever.
right not a necessity but just something which made it a million times easier in my experience and helped me escape my social hell

>>18675661
Not him but I've completely lost this idea that I'm talking to an emotional being when I talk to someone else. I just see other people as a construct of bullshit, animalistic power hierarchy, laziness and hedonism. I've completely given up on the idea that they have an inner monologue or they feel emotions other than pleasure when their senses are stimulated or displeasure then they're simulated negatively or they're not being stimulated.
I've dehumanized everyone else around me. Although I'm polite and I smile and all that shit, it's like I'm talking to huge bugs who might as well be thinking they want to kill me.
How the fuck do I recover from complete and utter loss of trust and faith in human beings?

if you have to read a book just to be a normal human being...it never even began for you

>>18675612

Dude, this is cringe. Hire a pretty hooker if you need. Ignoring your needs is like ignoring protein.

>>18675661
Maybe it’s a difference in temperant or intellect, but for me it’s simply impossible to connect with women unless I give myself a neanderthal brain with dozen drinks. Sure, at that point they seem playful, appealing and sexual, but without giving in to your most basic instincts it’s very difficult to see past the feminine disingenuity and childishness. Siren’s song and all that.

>>18675701
might've been true a decade ago
but we live in a new world now anon
we're a new species of sapiens trying to imitate something we're not, or something we were before

>>18675693
>How the fuck do I recover from complete and utter loss of trust and faith in human beings?
lower your expectations and do the work on loving yourself. You are projecting your insecurites of being human onto strangers and it is murdering you every day

>>18675703
I’ve had a fair share of pretty girls in my teenage years, that’s how I came to my conclusions. Once you sober up from the vaginal high, you realize how low and embarrassing the whole thing is.

>>18675691
I'm not saying that it won't improve your life, but there is no need for that. Just talk to them as if you would talk to any other anon. Some anons do have social anxiety and that is something that makes things more difficult, but that is solved with therapy. If it is exclusively a women related thing, the hard part is to talk to them and not let anything happen. Trust me on that one, this is very difficult, specially if you don't try hard to reduce your appeal, because women will also feel like making advances.

>>18675716
I don't see this thing although everyone loves to tell me so. I used to be different but I've been betrayed and fucked over so many times I've simply stopped trusting people or thinking they hold the same principles I have. Maybe I've had just a massive unlucky streak and I met asshole after asshole for a few years too many.

These threads are so sad.

Be gregarious, funny, and don't take life too seriously and you will be swimming in so much endless pussy you'll be CHOOSING to NOT sleep with so many women in order to actually have a relationship that produces something beyond orgasms and temporary pleasure.

>>18675732
Yeah you’re just aging and your libido has slowed so you get more clarity about your past self. Nothing wrong with having sex if you really need it; there’s no need to build a value system around not having sex. You can’t beat nature nor should you waste your time in trying (outside of extremes). Go back to 16-year-old you and try to convince him what you’re saying now.

>>18675757
>Be gregarious, funny, and don't take life too seriously
Disgusting. Never!

>>18668412

>>18675768
filter that image and ignore whatever post that image is attached to, do not reply to the schizo

A bunch of posts where almost everyone is wrong.

First impressions don't even matter, what matters is the charm, the magic, and the love that you cultivate/create

:3

>>18675765
Fair enough, you’re probably right. I just assume that people I’m interacting with here are older than 16-17.

>>18675765
There's no reason for meaningless sex however.

I am doing something with a couple of different women, but the only way it means anything is if the emotions are there

Why does Butterfly want to fuck women with me? Because the emotions are there

Just get a life, loser, there are far more important things than sex

>>18675765
All you need to get a lot of sex is to have a friend group that always has new women passing through it. Female friends are key to this.

One summer of my life, I had met a group of 9 female friends and slept with 8 of them over the summer. The 9th was always insulting me and tried to cock-block me constantly.

>>18675776
Yep, this.

>>18675793

You seem to have little ability to step outside yourself here.

>there is no reason

That is a statement that is true to you.
It is not a statement of fact about the world. “Sex” in and of itself has been the only motivation necessary for enough people as long as humans have been around. I’m not denying different motivations to have sex, relationships, and degrees between them, but to boil it down to a myopic “one size fits” prescription is a level of absolutism and reductionism I can’t subscribe to.

>>18675835
Mmmmmm sorry I don't buy it.

If you think 'sex' is a motivating factor for anyone, then why does anyone do anything after they've gotten it? I call absolute horseshit, spoken like a little kiddie.

Why do I continue to read difficult works of literature after I've gotten a girlfriend? It's not for sex, sexloser..


That's what you are. A sexloser

>>18675795

This helps a lot for those lucky enough and with enough natural energy to maintain such an environment. I can’t recommend it enough if you’re extroverted (I’m not).

>>18675757
this, women just want to have fun, if you can provide that entertainment without being a huge beta faggot you're good to go. all the other pua stuff is insanely frustrated cope desu

>>18675861
Do you drink? Do you ever sit at a bar at a pub to practice banter? Not making fun of you... I was shy and introverted growing up but trained myself to be gregarious.

Sit at the same place at a bar over and over, ask the bartender how their day is going. Chat with men, women, old people, young people, everyone at the bar. Soon, you'll become a regular and naturally women will see that others treat you nice and they'll want to chat with you and get to know you.

>>18675859
>If you think 'sex' is a motivating factor for anyone, then why does anyone do anything after they've gotten it?

Unironically attempting to bring nature’s strongest force into question by way of faulty inductive reasoning.

Anon, I...

>>18675885
You actually want to get laid?

That's how I know you don't get laid

>>18675883

Oh yeah, agreed. I can do that. I’m extremely smooth socially (wasn’t always), I just don’t have the energy for it most of the time.

>>18675868
I wrote a book about it:

https://www.amazon.ca/City-Singles-Jason-Bryan-ebook/dp/B00BDYI9D2

More and more guys are going to be incels and lonely because the natural, serendipitous methods of meeting and dating have been suffocated. So you need to be more lighthearted than ever before and avoid oneitis at all costs. Be outgoing, fun, and chill and you will get a ton of sex but relationships may still be hard to cultivate due to many other circumstances that have reared their heads in the last decade.

On the flip side, guys who don't get sex and who get frustrated just OOZE desperation and those guys won't get sex OR relationships.

>>18675897
>2013
you still havent given up?

>>18675795
>The 9th was always insulting me and tried to cock-block me constantly.
why?

>>18675868
>without being a huge beta faggot
how?

Holy SHIT
I'm halfway through this book now and my mind is spinning. I can't believe how warped and incorrect my worldview has been for my entire life. I have always been desperate for female attention and love and never got even a drop of it. I spent over a decade been hard memorizing strategies and techniques to trick women into thinking I'm normal, or how to pretend to be an asshole correctly, before eventually giving up on the whole pursuit because I thought women were evil, stupid, worthless, and too much effort. Even when I was trying to be "honest" with myself, I was only able to "admit" that I didn't execute the strategies well enough or didn't try hard enough, didn't care enough, was too autistic or ugly and that's why I failed. I can't believe how totally wrong that entire paradigm was, and it was neither of those things all along. Everything I've been taught about women from 4chan and other parts of the internet, redpill theory, decades of anguishing over the philosophy and theories, it's not only wrong but not even in the ballpark of being accurate or effective.
I used to read some comments like
>Just be yourself
>Act natural and relax
>Focus on yourself, don't worry about women
>Women are people
And think it was either complete bullshit or, in the most generous case, just not applicable to me. I used to think that men who got girlfriends had an entire mental faculty that I was completely lacking, which allowed them to observe and copy "strategies and techniques to trick women" on a completely subconscious level, so effortlessly that they didn't even realize they were doing it. And that's why they said things like "be yourself" and "women are people" because they were doing the techniques completely subconsciously and didn't even know it. I thought anyone who thought that women were people had been brainwashed by pop culture and academia into believing that. A person like me, on the other hand, must have to dedicate his life to learning the techniques manually. Holy shit is that wrong.
How the fuck are there entire communities of us on here who still don't get it, when this book came out like 15 years ago? How can a thread like this exist, with dozens of guys all sharing the same warped perspective, when a single reading of this book will cure it immediately? It's so utterly self-evident that I can't imagine anyone ITT not being swayed. Personally, my life has been changed.

>>18675944
How do feminists, communists, neoliberals exist? People are prone to error, brainwashing, rationalizing after the fact, emotional manipulation, absurd reductionist explanations, faulty binaries, etc.

>>18675943
just try to act like you're not head over heels in love with the women you talk with, if they're into you they will help you make a move and you should only take the initiative

>>18675897
I think my biggest issue with socializing today is that I genuinely hate normies. I hate parties, social drinking, loud music, idle talk and everything that today is considered fun. And at the same time I hate the dry workaholism of older people who simply quit doing all that shit after they got their first job and maybe only do it once a week or once a month or once a year but they never grew up. I don't know how people are able to live like this. I'd rather live a life of torment where my brain can work, instead of this dull existence of going from meaningless task to meaningless task, without stopping ever to think, without questioning anything.
When I did these things it was relatively easy to get a partner who "loved me", it's all about context and fitting into that context. But right now? What can I hope to get? Imagine dating online lol. I'm only doing work to completely abandon the idea that I will have someone at my side, that person will never exist. All I have experienced of love was teenage lust-love and the quickly degrading experiences with "don't wanna commit yet, I wanna have fun" relationship with a twentysomething and coming to terms with this hollowing out of people's inner monologue, values, commitment. Everyone just becomes this pragmatical materialist I just cannot live with.
It fucking sucks man.

>>18675987
*take the initiative when the signs are there

>>18675913
1st book helped me get over just doing drugs and sleeping around. Have a kid now and a much better lifestyle. Much happier, but at the same time I am SO glad I got to have my experiences and get the "hunger" for female attention and sex out of my system. Life is a war and you have to fight. If you don't, you languish and grow dull.

>>18675944
Eh. I've read it twice I think, and still a 32 year old virgin. I think when you get down to it, in my case, I just plain don't want to go out. There aren't 10 potential hobbies I might be interested in, and I don't get lonely, it just used to happen that I got terribly embarrassed and humiliated over my low status, though not su much anymore.

>>18668412
Is the “and what’s so special about you” look? I see it everywhere in women’s photos.

>>18675989
I understand what you're saying 100%!

The best way to get over the normies, parties, drinking, loud music... is to host your own social events.
>mix your crowd 50/50 with weirdos, artists, and normies
>choose your own music and use your musical tastes to attract women
>mix drinks that are a bit more sophisticated, you'd be surprised how much women appreciate this
>control the social scene by becoming the guy at the center of the web

You may need to spend some money and carry an expensive rental/mortage, but it will pay off, big time!

Also, get a DSLR camera and take pics of people. That is a huge thing that makes friends with people and women, of course, love good photos of themselves. Don't even flirt with the women you photograph, let your photos speak for themselves and other people/women will be like "oh wow that's a great pic, who took it?" and your social circle expands...

>>18675989
Based

>>18668412
> 310 replies
> 0 Ovid

Bunch of pseuds.
This books is everything you need.

>>18668412
The Bible.

>>18676053
This has to be bait but if it's not bait, none of these things are things I would like to do in the slightest. I don't hate parties and music because they're not "my genre", I just don't want to put up music as background shit period. When I want to listen to music I sit down with headphones and do nothing but listen to the music. I really, really fucking detest background music and social drinking. When I drink I want to drink alone, I don't want to cackle like a retard with other drunk people. I had about 6 friends throughout my entire life and I met them mostly individually. I really just want to live in the woods, not here.

>>18676084
And nothing else.

>>18675989
DO NOT GIVE UP ANON! YOU CAN FIND LOVE. The online dating companies WANT all young men to be blackpilled and subscribed to their $50+ a month service FOR THE HOPE of finding someone when everything in society and those in power are doing is trying to keep you from making connections so you constantly have to use their apps out of desperation.

>>18676088
Extraverts will never understand what you're talking about unfortunately. The idea that people like us exist, who enjoy being quiet and forming a few, strong relations with other people is just unthinkable. They do not have the vocabulary, just like we don't have theirs.

>>18676088
Sorry, didn't mean to come across as bait. Just showing what worked for me. I understand why you want to live in the woods, life in 2021 is a demonic world.

>>18676088

Post morning routine.

>>18676113
I'm naturally an introvert, that's why I can write... I have to FORCE myself to be an extrovert and it is very uncomfortable at times. By forcing yourself to be uncomfortable you can eventually get over those fears and become a beacon to women. The banter, the gift of gab, it goes a long way in life!

>>18676113
>They do not have the vocabulary, just like we don't have theirs.
maybe not, but i definitely understand them a lot better than they understand me. their media is absolutely everywhere. it dominates contemporary western society. you literally cannot help but understand the extroverts' world because they run the whole thing.

>>18676108
>The online dating companies WANT
companies just give people what they want/need
there's no conspiracy

>>18676031
Well, he does say that apathy is just a form of avoidance. Does your brain just tell you that you don't feel like it and don't care about your status because it doesn't want to face the anxiety of actually having to talk to women? For me that absolutely is the case. I've been staying in and telling myself I don't care about women for years, and actually believed it, but when I read that part of the book I knew it was true immediately. I'm afraid of rejection, of hurting and bothering women, of being known as a creep, and my worst fear is to get fired from my job and arrested because I approached a woman incorrectly and they think I was trying to rape her.
When I was in college in the beginning of freshman year, this girl invited me to her room to hang out, and we had tea and cup noodles in this little blanket fort thing she made. We flirted with each other and I made some physical touching of her leg which she seemed to like, then I left because I had to go to class. I thought she liked me and I was starting off college on the right foot. Back then I was so confident and happy. After that she ignored me and it turned out that she told everyone in the dorm I was creepy and tried to sexually assault her. She even tried to get me kicked out of the dorm but thankfully the RA was a based frat-tier chad and told her to fuck off. Even still, it basically ruined my entire time at college and really fucked me up mentally, making me confused and scared, and caused me to hate and fear women, and also led me to become a reactionary alt-righter since false rape accusations basically became my most important single issue. By the end of that year she came up to me and apologized for what she did, saying she was just afraid of being raped because her feminist older sister had filled her head with those ideas, and she also wanted attention as a hip feminist by being sexually assaulted so she made up the story. Even though I did completely nothing wrong and this was over 10 years ago I think I'm still fucked up from that single event today.

>>18668450
This, just be yourself bro!

>>18676201
>he doesn’t know

>>18676125
Wake up at 5AM, feed cat, wash, make breakfast, eat, do dishes, check my calendar/email/messages if there's something I have to do that day, write and read mostly. I don't have a day job so I usually do whatever between fixing things around the house, take a walk to get groceries, etc. but lately I just read and write. I shitpost in the evening but I'm getting tired of that too.
>By forcing yourself to be uncomfortable you can eventually get over those fears
But I was a party animal through my teens and early 20s. I loved fun and drinking and music. It's not fear or insecurity that makes me avoid this shit, I just don't like it anymore.

>>18675913
what's with the bad reviews?

>>18676253
Do you think those 1-star reviews actually read any of the book?

>>18676201
Load up Grindr or gay dating apps. You'll see they are VASTLY different than straight apps.

Ask yourself why.

>>18676356
enemies?

>>18674269
Then you're retarded

>>18676214
> Does your brain just tell you that you don't feel like it and don't care about your status because it doesn't want to face the anxiety of actually having to talk to women?

Yeah, it's true, but it's also true of many things. Why not try to be a billionaire, why not try to be famous, etc? It's true that getting an attractive woman shouldn't be as hard as achieving those things, but for some men it is. Actually, now that I think about it, most men I've seen date down. Manson is against that, but it seems to be a real pattern.

>>18676367
Men have higher libidos and are evaluating other men by different criteria than women do. What do you think causes the difference in the apps?

>>18668641

Bad advice if you are a 4chan regular.