/lit/ - Literature

>>18665429
What do you guys think is the defining feature of "new weird" sff like Mieville?

CONTROVERSIAL OPINION

I know it has endless logical problems, unrealized potential and the writing itself isn't stellar but, I've been looking back and I must admit, there's a lot of merit to the Harry Potter series.
There's so much quirk to the world and I really appreciate how she managed to tell a hero's journey fantasy story of epic proportions within a relatively confined, more intimate world that retains its sense of wonder without relying extensively on going around traversing the world across a multitude of vast tolkienesque lands. The "mystery of the year" format strikes such a good balance between the telling of self-contained stories engaging by themselves and simultaneously adding onto and moving forward a grander narrative.

Sorry in advance if this post ends up triggering someone.

>>18665458
imaginative worldbuilding

>>18665429
The throne doesn't appear to be made of elves

>>18665460
didn't ask

>>18665541
I did

>>18665460
It's very derivative, but renders a lot of what it borrows from obsolete. 7/10 YA books. 9/10 erotic fan fiction.

>>18665705
What would you say are the works it more directly and significantly borrows from?

>>18665723
not him but
Diana Wynne Jones' Charmed Life is about a wizard school with moving portraits, chess pieces that come to life, and someone they can't say the name of.

>>18665458
Can't say I've read any Mieville. Any other examples?

Any good novels with a little girl protag?

>>18665458
Doing what noir fiction has been doing for 70 years but letting the characters have insect heads.

test

>Anyone here know of any good fantasy yaoi?
Hashihime of the Old Book Town

>>18666820
Meant to reply to >>18665543
Also Lamento: Beyond the Void

Any good 19-20th century SFF? I think Pynchon's Against the Day counts.

Brandon Sanderson Brandon Sanderson Brandon Sanderson

Bros I need more romantic subplots like the one in Codex Alera.
Kitai is TOP cute

>>18667269
I just want to eat her up, but I felt like she wasn't really fleshed out despite being present almost always throughout the series

>>18667282
Considering how Butcher writes romance nowadays I'd say she came out all right

>>18666404
Jeff Vandermeer is probably the 2nd most notable one

Any books where themes of corruption and temptation are common? For example the main protagonist gets swayed towards the enemy's side

>>18667303
There is always the wheel of time, although due to the large scale the corruption takes a long time to kick in and pay off.
Apart from that I am coming up a bit short. Earthsea had a bit, I guess.
For how central the temptation of the One Ring is to the genre, it is strange how rare the trope is.
Strange, maybe it is so everpresent I am not seeing the forest for the trees.

What is /sffg/'s consensus on Worm?

>>18667354
shit edge webfic

>>18667354
I think it's one of the few works of notable fiction that actually deserve to be criticized for being edgy. The world of Worm is a world where everyone is unhappy and everyone suffers. There is no catharsis. The protagonist makes things worse everything she does. Everyone who seems like a good person at first is harboring some crippling flaw that makes everything into a mess. The group of villains that the protagonist shacks up with, the Undersides, is filled with constant tension and conflict since one of the members of the group is half-dog and fucking hates the protagonist. There's no joshing around with friends or bonding here; it's just being constantly at edge with everyone. There is only pain in the world of Worm, and it only gets worse, to the point that it begins to feel extremely gratuitous; you get a strong sense of the author creating a damaged work then getting addicted to inflicting pain upon his characters. It all feels so gross and unnecessary.

Meta spoilers: This gets even worse as the story progresses, somehow. As the scale of the conflict expands and so too does the misery. Glimmers of happiness are stomped on, and the protagonist increasingly loses her mind amid the madness of power and ambition. Death and destruction escalates on a global scale, with none of the characters ever being afforded a moment's respite. There is literally nobody on the planet who is spared the twisted agony of living in the Wormverse. Life is literally hell there, and there is no peace.

It deserves some credit for solid worldbuilding and interesting ideas for the usage of superpowers, plus having an addicting quality that gets people reading from start to finish, but Worm is probably one of my most disliked works of fiction ever. It's the antithesis to the entire concept of secondary belief as discussed by Tolkien. It's a creator god getting his rocks off to inflicting pain on his dolls.

>>18665429
Science Fiction is the Fantasy of Eternal Progress.

>>18665458
Imagination + lack of writing talent + big chip on the shoulder

didn't these threads used to have a sort of book of the month type deal?

>>18667693
Yes, but almost no one ever read and the discussion was only ever a few sentences overall. The discussions continue, just not in the thread.

>>18667882
>The discussions continue, just not in the thread.
fuck..
let me guess, discord

>>18667693
Yes!

>>18667889
Yes, because it didn't work out out in the Goodreads group because it's mostly only two people and one of those two is the discord founder.

>>18667967
An attempt was made to have discussion in the thread again, but nothing came of it.

>>18667907
I havn't read these yet, but Court of Frost and Starlight is such a nice name. Are these about irish faey by any chance?

>>18665458
Not enough examples to really set down any standard and Mieville writes different shit from fantasy to SF.

>>18667889
>let me guess, discord
There is no Discord, anon. Don't ask further.

Those who post the Discord are banned. It is known.

Reading Bakker and thinking about how a lot of fantasy names sound like they could also be the names of prescription psoriasis medications.
Gaenkelti
Geshrunni
Maithanet
Anasurimbor

>>18667907
>female protagonist
>fantasy
>romance
these fuckers should just read the kushiel series

>>18665429
Recommend books for hardcore Tolkienists.

>>18667430
If that is what you think of Worm I wonder what you will think of pale.

>>18668424
I've been pretty put off from any of Wildbow's other works for obvious reasons. I've only been able to muse in the theoretical but it seems to me that everyone hating Ward so much was a reflection of people who got caught in the pacing of Worm realizing that there is no catharsis or fun, which breaks the spell.

>>18665429
Anyone read this? Thoughts, feelings, frustrations...

Just received the transmigration of timothy archer, the divine invasion and the exegesis of pkd, what am I in for?

>>18668381
Like a Tolkien derivative with Elfs, Dwarfs and Orks and stuff?
Or an author with a similar style for the same itch?

Because the first is more common than lead, the second rarer than gold.

I like Lewis for a similar vibe, as they were writing buddies, but if you really want to read another book like Lord of the Rings you need to read Norse sagas. Tolkien wanted to make a Norse saga for England, so read the Prose Edda, the Nibelungenlied and other great Nordic/Germanic/Celtic songs.

>>18668381
Guy Gavriel Kay. He assisted Christopher Tolkien with publishing the Silmarillion then went on to write his own fantasy novels

>>18668033
I'm not very far into the first book but the love interest is named Tamlin and there's seven courts, Winter, Spring, Summer, Autumn, Dawn, Day, and Night.

>>18668792
3/10
Not sure why it's so highly rated everywhere, most of the book was just bad

>>18667094
The Wolfhound Century series is pretty good, it's set in a fantasy Russia that's advanced to around 1920-1950 and there are obvious parallels to real-world events but it's different and weirder.

Any good Oriental based fantasy? I tried reading Cradle but I had to force myself to read it past the third book and as of the latest book I've completely lost interest in the series because it's impossible to root for the protagonist anymore because he's become such a spineless little cuck.

>>18667354
Not worth your time.

Why are these threads so obsessed with Bakker? I never even see him mentioned anywhere else

>>18669181
>Guy Gavriel Kay.
is any of his stuff worth reading?

Reposting from last thread: Just finished up the first draft of a sword-and-sorcery novella heavily inspired by Conan, Elric and the Hyperborean saga. Couple questions since this is where most of my projects die.

>What's the best place to look for alpha/beta readers and get legitimately good feedback?
>If I wanted to self-publish my work online serially (with plans to later anthologize and sell traditionally), what's the best site for that?
>FWIW sword-and-sorcery is a pretty dead genre save for DMR books and Goodman Games, anywhere else to look for that sort of material to build my palette? I already have Kane on my list, what else should I check out?

>>18669629
There are a bunch of places where you can submit you're writing for feedback. As for your second question can't really help you there as I know very little about how self publishing works. As for material have you given Fafnir and Grey Mouser a try?

>>18669282
Entry level readers who have yet to figure out world building is the lowest form of sci-fi.

>>18669559
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07NKGQ7RJ

>>18669592
I can second the Guy Gavriel Kay recommendation. I read his Chinese alternate history, and it was pretty good. I don't think he feels that close to Tolkien, but he has his own charm, and the world has a similar amount of mystique with only very few supernatural acts. Maybe his Fantasy works feel closer to Tolkien, but he is definitly skilled in his craft.

>>18669579
Never underestimate the influence that a few extremely dedicated posters can have on a slow thread on slow board.

>>18669629
I wouldn't mind reading it, but only if your work contains no faggots, niggers, sjw, progressivism or trannies

>>18669709
Even old sword and sorcery classics had niggers in them anon. Difference is they made sense because they were often voodoo witch doctors or savage tribals, not knights, Kangs and Queens of a medieval society.

>>18669673
What would those places be? And yeah, they're on my list, after Kane and Imaro and some of the stuff from DMR.

>>18669752
>>18669752
I don't deny that, but it is also quite easy just to create a white witch doctor, shaman, even tribal/clan chief, you will get a lot more appreciation from the reader and your story will be more consistent and just better
You should only include black character if plot requires it, but if your plot requires black characters then it is a shit plot and a shitty story.

>>18669559
Six Expressions of Death - Mojo Mori

>>18665429
What are the most powerful cases of cuckoldry in fantasy? Like a chosen hero who ends up degraded and emasculated while his promised love is taken by a more virile man in front of his eyes. Better yet if the hero is white his betrothed a blonde princess and the bull is black. I could use a shot of the good stuff.

>>18669831
>SIX EXPRESSIONS OF DEATH is Mojo Mori's debut novel
aren't debug novels pretty bad as a general rule?

>>18669912
No? Writers generally improve the more they write, but that doesn't mean their debut novels are "bad."

What's the best harem fantasy novel?

>>18669870
Your moral degeneration has reached the point where you are ready for Bakker
>>18669579
Half of the people on the chans are sexual deviants, and when it comes to an impressive Hentai tag list Bakker is king.

>>18669579
A handful of shills.

>>18669181
>Guy Gavriel Kay
Yeah no

Also I am sorry to throw that cursed name into the general once more, but this
>>18667430
>It's a creator god getting his rocks off to inflicting pain on his dolls.
sounds just like Bakker, and is the main reason why I dislike his work after reading the first trilogy. The entire grimdark genre works best for me when there is a spot of light, a set of embers shining brighter in the darkness of a fallen world. If you stomp on that too much I get the exact same feeling:
>It all feels so gross and unnecessary.

Has someone here read both and would say if Wildbow is more or less sadistic towards his world than Bakker?

>>18667907
this author is a meme right?

>>18670049
All girl authors are a meme.

>>18665429
Hey, I'm working on a setting where everything has a corresponding spirit, a bit like a combination of Plato and Shinto, with a hierarchy where each spirit is aligned with at least one of several spirits at the top of the hierarchy, who are essentially the gods of the setting. The thing is, I'm stuck on what aspects of existence should get a spirit at the very top of things, and I don't want to have too many to keep things from getting too complicated. I'm thinking that there'd be at least one that came into being relatively recently, corresponding to mortal thought and emotions as they grew to prominence and new spirits corresponding to them sparked into existence, but besides more abstract things like time, space, gravity, and so on, do you have any ideas on how I can divide things please?


In the last thread I asked this in, someone suggested 6-15 major spirits, what do you think, should I do more or less, and do you have any suggestions for their natures (someone in the last thread suggested self-awareness/being)? What about making things increasingly abstract as they get more powerful?

>>18670319
you're the writer, how about you make the decisions

>>18670319
I'd say you already lost the plot (pun intended) by focusing so much on superfluous world-building.

>>18670319
less is more

>>18667106
No need to ask thrice. Here you go:

>>18665460
You need to be 18 to post here.

>>18665460
>there's a lot of merit to the Harry Potter series.
Its not.
Its properties of the university/school setting. Take another example The Magicians series. Very subpar fantasy, but when its school ark it carries through effortlessly liek a charm.
Study in teh school/university it is self acting plot device that writes itself and is programed to success. Most surprising for me thing is that such setting is not used more.

>>18666419
How little?
Golden Compass.
The Fever Crumb series.

>>18669282
>>18668792
One of teh craziest and bravely exotic sci-fi settings ever written.

Patrick gnomefuss

I love Glokta, I wish the whole book was about him.

>>18665429
I want a recommendation that matches the feeling of this album.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-WHl9kr2_3U

>>18671334
I like the idea of Glokta being the MC in a series of short stories based around Glokta being a torturer/investigator with the tone being tongue-in-cheek grimderp as opposed to the super cereal grimderp we all know and hate.

>>18671376

>>18667354
Good main character.

>>18671399
Come on bruh

>>18671510
What? There's a reason why I recommended the audio-book version.

>>18671389
yes, exactly.

>Buy a fantasy book on a whim
>It's trash YA in all but name
>Look it up on goodreads
>4.14 stars

>>18671603
they know what they want, you clearly don't

Post examples of minimalist sci-fi book covers done right. I'll go first.

>>18671632
I'm probably the only person who still goes to book stores, but I feel like I've got to do my part to keep brick and mortar joints from dying. I'll usually grab something based on the title and cover art alone and roll with it. It usually doesn't turn out as bad as this one.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22878967-the-shadow-of-what-was-lost?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=DK5dClYpg7&rank=1
This was the book by the way. I guess it might be good if it was one of your first fantasy novels and you're barely out of your teens, but it just stank of amateur and trope. It didn't do anything new, and it wasn't written competently enough to make the familiar any interesting. I will not be reading the rest of the trilogy.

>>18671699
Of what value are these physical stores?

Only fantasy book I'm reading currently is Son of the Storm by Suyi Davies Okungbowa. So good so far

>>18671603
Ratings on GR don't mean shit, anon. People who don't read YA simply don't rate it.

/sffg/, I'm at a loss of what to do with a character concept

The character is an ass-kicking clay golem. Something that seems inordinately funny to me is the idea that despite being a gritty antihero, when he gets hurt, or when he injures somebody it looks like something out of tom and jerry. This is obviously not something I can translate into writing, but I don't have the art skills to draw it, so comics are out. I've tried building this character in rpgs, but none of the ones I play really make this character possible with their rules. I'm at a loss of what to do with the idea

>>18671924
write it down in detail on a card and just shelve it
something will come up eventually

>>18671924
Have another character comment on the slapstick nature of the injuries. If your gritty antihero has a companion that isn't so hardboiled, this would be a good function for them

Sarah J. Fatass

>>18671603
GR is astroturfed to hell and gone. I only look at reviews to see if neutral-negative ones have any merit.

What is the weirdest fucking shit you've ever read /sffg/? Either science fiction or fantasy.

>>18672053
From a serious published author, Anita Blake books after Obsidian Butterfly. Just for the sheer magnitude of the inversion and lack of fucks given. Weirdest thing full stop is probably Paraphore.

>>18672053
Long erotica novel where girl DECIDED to become a sex slave in another world.

>>18672121
Anon, I could go to the grocery store right now and get you 5 different books like that.

>>18672182
they sell books in the grocery store?

>>18672053
Probably Warrior Wolf Women of the Wasteland as far as actual published books go.

>
https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/417Z-wfDmiL.jpg
It has been over a century since society as we know it today suddenly collapsed under its own weight. Religion - gone. Modern culture - gone. Cities - gone, except for one solitary refuge of humanity, the kingdom of McDonaldland, where everything is red and yellow (the sacred colors of Ronald McDonald), everybody works at McDonald's (by official decree), everyone eats McDonald's food (all other food, including home-cooked meals, has been outlawed), and a three-hundred-foot-high steel wall separates the last of humanity from the Wasteland outside.

>>18672053
Probably Warrior Wolf Women of the Wasteland as far as actual published books go.

>It has been over a century since society as we know it today suddenly collapsed under its own weight. Religion - gone. Modern culture - gone. Cities - gone, except for one solitary refuge of humanity, the kingdom of McDonaldland, where everything is red and yellow (the sacred colors of Ronald McDonald), everybody works at McDonald's (by official decree), everyone eats McDonald's food (all other food, including home-cooked meals, has been outlawed), and a three-hundred-foot-high steel wall separates the last of humanity from the Wasteland outside.

>>18671657
Yeah, I love this cover. I’m honestly not a huge dune fan, but goddamn this cover.

>>18671334
I think everyone came to this conclusion.

came across this chinese copy of elantris

>>18672297
It's classy, isn't it? The new ones dissapoint like every other modern cover done for scifi classic.

>>18672314
they got mistborn too

>>18672314
now that's a tome I'd put on my shelf

>>18672322
it's just modern art that looks interchangeable as fuck. change the font and color scheme for it to fit any genre. modern covers don't really portray scenes anymore. not that ALL old covers are winners, though .

>>18672121
What's the name of that book?

>>18672053
Tomorrow's People. It was so triggering that Amazon killed it from their site. It's still listed; you just can't get it in any form kek.
Like a crazy mixture of David Cronenberg and The [REDACTED] Diaries.

Is recluse worth reading?

>>18672939
No book titled "Recluse" is worth reading.

>>18668381
I'll third the Guy Gavriel Kay recommendation.

>>18669559
Under Heaven by the aforementioned Guy Gavriel Kay
Moshui: The Books of Stone & Water by Daniel Fox (Book 1 is called Dragon In Chains)

>>18672121
You can't just make that statement and not provide the title of that novel

What book or series evokes a feeling of walking through a cool, misty bright forest

Michael Cisco is one of the greatest weird fiction authors still active today and more people should read his shit

Are there any decent YouTube channels for fantasy/sci-fi lit?

>>18672443
>>18673937
Narlass Chronicles

>>18673974
Damn the recommendation requests are getting more obscure by the hour.
The Sithi sequences in Memory, Sorrow and Thorne and The Last King of Osten Ard feel like that, but apart from that it feels more epic, grim and mysterious. Maybe something for >>18668381. Memory, Sorrow and Thorne has glacial pacing however, a real test for attention span. The slowest genre fiction I ever read.

Apart from that Earthsea might not have any cool misty forests, but it gives me a similar vibe. An exploration heavy, upbeat and mysterious book series full of wonder.

>>18672685
>[redacted]
Turner?

>>18668892
The second obviously. Like you said the first is so common I wouldn't be asking.
I already know about the legends/myths/sagas, I was looking for a fiction book to give to people. but thanks anyway.

>>18669629
>>If I wanted to self-publish my work online serially (with plans to later anthologize and sell traditionally), what's the best site for that?
Amazon Kindle Vella.

>>FWIW sword-and-sorcery is a pretty dead genre save for DMR books and Goodman Games, anywhere else to look for that sort of material to build my palette? I already have Kane on my list, what else should I check out?
Plenty of good Conan pastiche authors.
https://www.blackgate.com/2018/01/04/by-crom-some-conans-are-more-equal-than-others/

Reminder that the greatest Japanese fantasy work has an English translation being released next month.

>>18672032
IS there a GR alternative? Like Letterboxd to IMDB (LB is pretty pozzed I know, but its an alternative nonetheless).

>>18674548
There are many alternatives, it's always a matter of viability though.

>>18674524
Will it be available on Steam?

>>18674599
Gee, thanks for all the suggestions buddy.

Is altered carbon worth reading?
saw this sick cover art

>>18674524
The sliteyes are only good at producing coombait and nothing else.

>>18674624
I doubt it. I don't think it would lend itself to being censored in that way.
>>18674635
There are exceptions. It's a serious dark fantasy work around the length of War and Peace.

What's the best board to discuss 40k?

It's was wonderful, recommend me more hero's journeys.

>>18674915
I would assume /tg/

All the /sffg/ regulars busy at church.

>>18665460
Harry Potter is just a bastardized version of The Books of Magic comic book series by Neil Gaiman.

>>18667907
Why do you niggers keep on shilling this series in every sff thread? Is it even worth reading? Looks like YA shit to me

>>18675060
it's got female protag and enemy to lover tropes

>>18669709
Not the author. I don’t have a problem with there being niggers in the story i read but only so long as it makes sense for them to be in the location you find them in.
I really hate shit like the Witcher jewflix series that shows blacks appearing in a winter, northern European-esque village. Apart from that, yeah, fuck the trannies and progressives. Im sick and tired of them.

>>18670319
Build your world using the framework of “first principles” (google it up) and construct all your rules and hierarchies from there.

>>18675060
Forced memes to troll people exist.

>>18665429
>read pic related
This shit is supposed to be controversial? Unbelievably tame.

>>18674632
yes

>>18674548
Giant popularity inevitably means tons of astroturf reviews and vaginas regurgitating kosher talking points.

>>18675262
The female characters aren't at a Godlike level of power and independence, so the book is haram.

>>18675388
You fags are such cowards. Why don't you take your wannabe smartass tryhard comments somewhere you might actually upset someone with "delicate sensibilities"? Oh right, safer to bleat the same lame jokes over and over again than face the actual possibility of opposition.

>>18671657
Got this version for 3 bucks off Amazon

>>18675453
you should get a blacklight as well

>>18675262

Eyyy I remember posting about this book last thread. The book is great, I especially enjoyed the final confrontation on the tallest cylinder in Ar, very powerful imagery, short and concise descriptions leaving what is right to imagination, it's an easy read. Still the book is too similar to an isekai light-novel, protagonist is isekaid to another world, spends a few week learning the customs and how to be a warrior (excels at it of courset ) and then gets sent on what would be a suicide mission if he were a lesser man aka not the protagonist. I've started on the sequel (Outlaw of Gor) and that's where the anti-feminist message kicks into a higher gear; "city ruled by women? its a grey, joyless shithole, and also love is banned because .......... because women shouldn't be in positions of power".
I'm really curios to see what the Priest-kings narrative will evolve into, why would they settle on space Australia and populate it people.

>>18675487
I started reading it because someone mentioned it in a thread. The priest-kings shit gets really crazy in the third book.

Fuck E William Brown
Fuck No Releases
Fuck Delays
Fuck Lies
Fuck Pay Walls
Fuck Pay Pigs
FUCK YOU

>>18671967
I wanna see her get culturally enriched so bad.

>>18675262
A few books in the series are written from the perspective of abducted earth girls who are turned into sex slaves and eventually grow to accept their submissive nature. I don't think it should be hard to see how that might rustle certain jimmies.

>>18675487
>and also love is banned because .......... because women shouldn't be in positions of power
Because when you empower all women, what happens on balance is you increase the power of a small minority of men with the inclination and ability to manipulate herds of basic bitches, and this invariably leads to anti-reproductive behavior as the cognitive dissonance among basic bitches increases and the ability of productive men to control them decreases. Given there are always more of the former than the latter.

>>18675428
lol this retard things something making a snarky, pre-fabricated "have sex"-tier response on twitter or goodreads is "opposition". Go seethe elsewhere.

Can someone explain to me what is dark academia

>>18675799
Some dumb fashion trend that has nothing to do with this thread.

>>18675566
I dropped this series after the 4th or 5th book because it seemed like Norman was just edging in front of a typewriter and his editor didn't give a shit. Does it actually get interesting again at some point?

>>18674632
I don;t know about the books, but the TV show they made out of it is one of the worst things I've seen.

>>18674917
imo that's the best of the best but I also liked Jinx, The Dark is Rising, the Belgariad

>>18673974
King of Elfland's Daughter

>>18675799
Goth Hairy Potter

>>18671776
It's good to leave your house Anon

>>18674455
Now you're on a list.

>>18675262
There's a million romance novels that are way more raunchier than anything in any Gor novel, but because it was written by a guy FOR guys it triggered the femishits and their beta orbiters something fierce.

>>18675428
lol holy shit imagine getting THIS triggered over such an innocuous post.

Anyone else reading this? It is pretty damn good. I'm halfway through at the moment and it seems to get better and better the more I read.

>>18676333
Why would I be on a list for a dairy?

>>18676418
>female author
Into the trash it goes.

>>18676481
Here is (you)r (you) faddot.

>>18676418
I liked Polish version version better.

>>18676519
What's the difference?

>>18676481
Seething

>>18676524
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2192092.The_Last_Watch

>>18675566
Any time I read (about) these types of stories I imagine the ending of the series will be something like that GATE anime. Modern Earth figures out how to get to their magical world and kicks in everyone's teeth.

>>18676535
being a published author doesn't mean anything anymore, any roastie whore will get taken on as a diversity hire but they are all garbage hacks who only propser due to nepotism
merit is dead

Are there any publishers, any kind, that still publish epic historical fiction in the vein of Prince Valiant? Really fast paced, low fantasy, serious tone without being grimdark

>>18670650
based sandersneed

>>18676481
This is bait, but today I found out Hobb is a woman. Improved my perception of women in Fantasy, because before I thought there were only like 3 good ones and 1 decent one, and Addison is a one hit wonder, Le Guinn primarily Sci Fi and Zimmer Bradley is evil. Canavan is only ok.
But Hobb has written a ton and is pretty good.

>>18670650
Of all the Sandercringe you post this?
Someone post the "Being gay is more manly than being straight since instead of fucking feminine women you fuck masculine men" dialogue from book 3.
It was when that prince boy with the healing power was socialising with one garrison and he wanted to know why they do not bully the faggot or so.
Funny to see how he started as a Mormon and then just got infused by reddit.

>>18676835
>>18676770
Seethe.

>>18676333
Wasted trips, a book isn't going to put you on a list. You don't even have to look very hard for somewhere to buy it from.
Anyway, I don't believe in the mythical "lists." The CIA and FBI have never stopped any plot they themselves didn't start. They used to pick muslims and tell them how to make bombs, now they pick white trash and tell them where to point guns.

There is a distinct lack of quality discussion about quality works here.

>>18676990
I need a slam pig look-a-like for her getting culturally enriched, please. Nothing like thick white women getting bred.

>>18674524
Is this actual novel or a visual 'novel' ?

>>18676418
>The Expanse meets Game of Thrones in J. S. Dewes' fast-paced, sf adventure The Last Watch, where a handful of soldiers stand between humanity and annihilation.

Wow that sounds kinda bad but I am desperate for readable mils sci-fi.
I hope you are not pulling a fast one on me anon.

>>18674632
I only watched season 1 and it was not bad, but the books were pretty bad and unreadable

>>18677124
Oh you poor naive soul.
https://youtu.be/uH_lYc9HzpU

It's as bad as it looks.

>>18676838
>This Talik fellow was an important official, and it wouldn't do to drop him or something
>or something
What something? Why is this turn of phrase so popular these days that it even sneaks in where it's completely out of place? Really tickles me autism.

>>18676481
This

>>18676418
Stop making this post, how many times have posted this, no one gives a shit about your storng wymynz in space trash

>>18677140
Is it anime? why is this being posted on /lit/ ?

>>18677129
>reading mil scifi from a woman
You can't be possibly that desperate. Go read Marko Kloos, the guy's even a German who served for extra warmonger points. Or John Ringo. Or literally anyone else who isn't a roastie.

>>18677169
>Is it anime?
You have mecha, bad music, characters with yuuge eyes, katanas, probably some retarded, nonsensical story not fit for children let alone grown ass men - you tell me.

>why is this being posted on /lit/ ?
Gee I don't know Timmy, after these posts
>>18677072
>>18677148
I am as surprised as you that some weiurdo would post about chinese cartoons here.

>>18677197
I thought people had grown out of making anime posts /lit/

>>18677189
Nigga pls. Don't tell me what to do based on your insecurities.
I got tired of Marko's combat air controller in space schtick (plus all he has written has been written better by others) and Ringo, like all Baen authors, is best in small doses (like once every couple of years).

I am willing to try out some pew-pews in space written by a roastie.
The situation is that bad.

>>18676691
>merit is dead

umm sweetie
merit is problematic because it encourages exclusionary policies towards people that don't have any

>>18677222
>grown out
You know all those slanderous accusations about emotionally and developmentally stunted neckbeards and manchildren posting here?
They are true unfortunately.

Any fantasy/science recs for someone getting back into reading here? I've already read most of the "classics" and maybe I've been looking in the wrong place but I've mostly just seeing cookie cutter YA made for teenage girls and anime derivative power fantasy wank made for teenage boys.

>>18677319
The Darkness That Cums Before

>>18677319

The entire scene has fallen on hard times. The hugos have been subverted and all the good writers are either dead or senescent.

If you haven't read Iain M. Banks, his stuff is a decent romp. Ada Palmer's Terra Ignota is a bit slow to spool up but it's the equal of any sci fi series ever written.

>>18677332
>>18677343
Thanks, I'll put these on my list because I've got nothing.

I'm also curious if there's any decent urban fantasy or magical elements in a contemporary setting without being all Dresden, london, or YA

>>18677372
>I'm also curious if there's any decent urban fantasy or magical elements in a contemporary setting without being all Dresden, london, or YA
Bad Dreams and Broken Hearts: The Case Files of Erik Rugar.

>>18676535
Why would you buy that cup, or make a cup like that?

>>18677459
Women are extremely arrogant and egotistical.

>>18677372
>decent urban fantasy

The Iron Dragon's Daughter is a strong work of urban fantasy. Not exactly recent, but not a lot of people are familiar with Swanwick's body of work. His short fiction tends to be stronger than his novels, but he has a few longer works that are real gems. Stations of the Tide is up there alongside Neuromancer in my headcanon.

>>18677372

*Oh another decent off-piste urban fantasy; Walter Jon Williams' Metropolitan and the followup book City on Fire. It's not earth shattering or genre-redefining but it is a refreshing bit of worldbuilding that doesn't overreach or overstay it's welcome.

>>18677520
>female lead
into the trash it goes

>>18677535

Nah it's not like that. Written long before worst of the bullshit got started. The protagonist isn't depicted in a remotely heroic or triumphant light. She's just some crazy thot clawing desperately for survival in a world run by psychopath unseelie elves.

>>18677372
For Urban fantasy I’d try Child of Fire by Harry Connolly and the Felix Castor series by Mike Carey. They can be a little dresdeny at times but that’s the best you can hope for out of the current Urban Fantasy genre

>>18677552
So there is no sex and romance and retarded female drama? Good, I might actually try reading it

>>18677569
I wouldn't.
What if you get cooties?

>>18677575
What is that?

>>18677569

You can't have a female protag without those things.

>>18677583
then why have female protag in the first place?

>>18677589

to depict the things you mentioned against a backdrop of sociological horror and depravity by way of contrast.

Like... every highschool in the urban fantasy world depicted in this book burns their prom queen in a wicker man as an annual part of their graduation ceremonies. The protag is depicted as a culturally insensitive monster for tangentially interfering with the rite.

It's a literary device to induce culture shock, which in turn induces awareness of how weird and fucked up our own cultural expectations are. It is criticism.

but you seem like a brainlet.

>>18677634
I gotta say that I find

that

reddit

spacing

problematic.

>>18677654

It's useful for triggering retards tho

>>18677658
You gotta go back man.

>>18677520
I'll add this to the list, I was worried by the title that it was going to be "cultivation"-ish but the blurb makes it sound readable. Thanks.

>>18677589
Sometimes, it's just the author's decision on a whim, the gender doesn't always dictate how the story will be. Sometimes it's also done to appeal to different audiences or get a dumb publisher to be on board

>>18677672

>>18677634
>It's a literary device to induce culture shock, which in turn induces awareness of how weird and fucked up our own cultural expectations are. It is criticism.
Why would I want to have any such thing 'induced'? Why would I care about some faggot pseuds shitty opinion on our cultural expectations? And read an entire book about it?

>>18677676
Come on, no need to make a scene.
I am sure this is not the first time someone asked you to leave, here or elsewhere.

>>18667354
>>18667430

>There's no joshing around with friends or bonding here; it's just being constantly at edge with everyone.

This is not exactly true, there are friendships but the protagonist is so detached from everyone at the point of friendships forming that they are indeed constantly on edge with each other.

"Everyone is flawed" is absolutely true though; sometimes protagonist makes peace with someone's flaw and accepts it but sometimes it's a plot device that cuntpunts the protagonist in the unfortunate moment and breaks everything that she had achieved. And there is a lot of cuntpunting going this way.

Also author has "No SIngle Institution Ever Works" as the major theme, recurring in most of his works (or in all of them), on top of the Everyone is Flawed. So yeah, it's edgy alright.

>>18677684

Personally I read this scifi/fantasy to find interesting ideas and perspectives, or such that are conveyed in interesting ways. If you don't... what the fuck are you even doing here? Just spewing buzzword diarrhea?

I (sort of) enjoyed reading "Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells, very light stuff with some non-obnoxious humor. (Also not very long, thankfully).

Can anyone recommend something similar? Especially in the terms of non-obnoxity

>>18665460

>>18677372
>Urban fantasy
Vurt

>>18677701
No, in fantasy I just like heroes journey with little to no romance and minimum amount of females and drama.
In science fiction it is generally exploration of the unknown and little to no romance, drama and female characters

>Are those women?!
>IN MY BOOKS?!
>RAAAAAAAA

>>18677735
there's nothing wrong with escapism
I read to escape from sedentism
some people read to escape from women, apparently

>>18677561
I'll definently check out child of fire, sounds good.

>>18677733

degen shonen power fantasy addict. got it.

>>18677753
Thanks, you got any recommendations?

>>18677129
Hello cutie.

>>18677735
Basically sums up several people in this thread.

>>18677764

A Deepness in the Sky

>>18677792
I read fire upon deep and it was terrible, the book doesn't even know what it wants to be, is it science fiction, but a lot of it is almost fantasy tier. It is worst type of fiction when scifi and fantasy gets mixed

>>18677831

fire upon the deep works a little bit better as a sequel than it does as a standalone. I would not say that I liked the book, except as a little extra taste of the universe established in Deepness. Deepness is a much better read imo.

>>18665429
does anyone know the name of this short story by Ray bradbury ?
its about a man who becomes a rocket ship engineer and spends his entire life building a rocket that can carry him to the edges of space so he can see his family again since his father told him thats where heaven is.
the conclusion of the story is he gets to the edge of space just to find nothing and returns home.
I can't remember the name of it and I know it isnt in the illustrated man collection.
any help plz ?

>>18672278
Sounds like an ancap paradise

I unironically like litrpg books

>>18677129
Read Muv-Luv

>>18678230
What’s your favorite?

>>18678230
recommend me some

>>18678230
I too would like to see serious recommendations from a fan of the genre. I enjoyed a few Shield Hero LNs, but those probably don't qualify.

I am reading Roadside Picnic. It has an excellent premise, but the prose and plot are awful. It was so jumpy and jarring that I checked another translation to confirm that it wasn't a problem with my translation or pirated copy. I have really enjoyed watching sci-fi TV and movies. I just hadn't gotten to the books. If this is how most books in the genre are, I think I will stick to plot summaries.

>>18678439
sure

thoughts on David Gemmell?

>>18678574
I liked Legend but haven't read any more

>>18678574
Read Sword in the Storm and thought it was comfy enough, but didn't feel compelled to continue with the series. Could do worse if you have a sword & sorcery itch.

>>18672939
>Themes of gender stereotyping, sexism, ageism, racism, ethics, economics, environmentalism and politics are explored in the course of the series, which examines the world through the eyes of its protagonists.
It's not that bad but there are cringy moments due to the above. It's a very comfy series.

>>18677733
Based
>>18677735
Seething femoid or simp

>>18677129
>mils sci fi
>not reading BV Larson

>>18678419
>>18678396
Tao Wong's System Apocalypse, Shirtaloon's He who fights with monsters, Defiance of the fall.

>>18677124
It's a visual novel that's longer than the entire Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit combined, so making the distinction the way that you are doing seems retarded to me.

>>18678836
Why are VNs so fucking long?

>>18679020
Not all of them are, some are just a few hours and on par with a short story. I got the length comparison with Tolkien from the word count, by the way. The editor said the translation came out at 586,000 words.

>>18678574
Ironhand's Daughter is fucking hot.

>>18678574
Based. Highly recommend his underrated Jerusalem Man trilogy. It's like The Dark Tower, but not terrible.

>>18676835
>Funny to see how he started as a Mormon and then just got infused by reddit
Unlike Uncle Orson, Sandersöy has no principles or convictions. Mormons stopped being his peer group and liberal academics and writers became his new one, hence he swiftly converted to the faith of the latter. Moreover his business is selling books to female teens and young adults in the US, so he has an extra incentive to chase social trends popular with that demographic. And never forget that Cthulhu always swims left. It won't be long before conservative Mormon culture has crumbled to dust. Salt Lake City has already fallen just like all the major urban centers.

is it just me or does it seem to be a lot of low-key to open disdain for Lewis among many fantasy authors?

>>18677319
Have you been out long enough to miss Abercrombie? One of my favourite 2 still active Fantasy authors.

>>18679225
What faggots are you reading?

>>18679235
looking at culture-pages of various papers abiut him there always seem to be a few who don't like him, usually related to his religion

>>18678293
This is /lit weeb.

>>18678810
I tried The Undying Mercenaries and it was kinda meh.

how do you pronounce Gaiman
is it gay man or is it like Geist

>>18679390
It says on his Wikipedia page, which you can easily check for yourself.

>>18679413
nah

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56021738-exo-hunter

"Dark Horse, along with his teammate, Chuy, and one of the Soviets, Drago, finds himself in a future that is both impressive and horrifying. Humanity has left Earth behind and is rapidly expanding throughout the galaxy under the banner of The Union, a white supremacist government who racially 'purified' the human race hundreds of years in the past.

Living on the fringe of this twisted Fourth Reich society, Dark Horse --the only black man in the Union--commandeers a vessel and scours the galaxy for his missing teammates under the guise of an Exo-Hunter, seeking out exo-planets to satiate the Union's need for colonization."

What?
The?
Fuck?

>>18669559
Long price quartet

>>18679456
my brain can't even parse what you typed out
I think it's begun to automatically filter out american idpol bullshits

>>18679456
Yeah, and this is why I moved into east asian literature and light novels.

>>18679478
Kinda like a literary reflex.
I dig it.

>>18679533
Well you sure showed them.

>>18679556
Why continue to support western literature when that's all they're going to make?

>>18679533
Did you learn Japanese?

>>18679387
no more shirogane sama?

Currently reading the third book of the Xelee series.

The first book was fun. A universe with a different gravity constant was entertaining and Baxter has a talent for describing each facete of such a universe. The characterization however was bad. Every character not immediately recognizing the boring MC’s value was bad or unimportant. The two women with names were only love interests and the bad guys were doing bad stuff for no reason at all.

The second novel was wider in scope and had multiple timelines. Still an interesting read and Baxter really improved with his cast. But he had some troubles getting a working plot together.
The time travelers with a plan, decades or even centuries in the making, travel back in time to turn Jupiter into a black hole. Instead of immediately doing this, they just…wait? Poole and Miriam were also allowed on the ship for reasons? Finally, the time travelers start the project just in time to get fucked by a Qax. But don’t worry, the evil unbeatable Qax from the even further future is defeated through a dozen different dumb reasons. The book sadly ends with some cheap scifi mumbo-jumbo. “A Hyperdrive exploding inside the time gate will surely lead to the destruction of the exotic matter structure, even when we have no idea how the hyperdrive system works.”

And the third novel starts with barbaric 0.01mm big people living in 50-man sized hunter/gatherer sized clans _inside_ a neutron star? Who the fuck calls this hard science fiction? Not sure if I will read the rest.

>>18679654
Come on now, you have never supported anything in your life.
You lack the moral backbone for standing up for something.
As for reading chinkshit as some sort of alternative to American crap like that you gotta be fucking kidding me.

>>18679711
Hell why not. Here you go.

Recommend me fantasy without lgbt trash

>>18679682
さすが

It's been a while since I last visited this thread so I might've missed something, but what does /sffg/ think of The Silent Gods? I've started pick related yesterday and I honestly can't remember the last time I've been this invested in a book.

>>18679853
Why do you care what a bunch of Anonymous people think?

>>18679853
I have literally never heard of it.

>>18679878
I'm just curious.

>>18679908
About what? Just read whatever you enjoy.

>>18679878
>>18679911
Communication and the urge to share something is part of the human nature. Especially if it brings joy.
Also, this is a place to share and talk about literature. Have some gratitude because anon wanted to share a book with us that he enjoyed.

>>18679853
>You've heard the story before: an orphaned boy, raised by a wise old man, comes to a fuller knowledge of his magic and uses it to fight the great evil threatening his world.
>But what if that hero were destined to become the new dark lord?
Ehh, ill put it on a list and might look it up again if the series is finished. But I won’t start an unfinished series.

>>18679998
Wow, anon, such a lukewarm response. Might as well and tell him you won’t read him

>>18679387
You say you want to read military sci-fi, and Muv-Luv is military sci-fi. These things are called "visual novels" for a reason. They might as well be novels if it wasn't for the chosen medium. I hope you won't claim that novels illustrated with big tittied anime babes in skin tight plug suits are beneath you while you happily post skimpily dressed cosplayer slags.

>>18680019
The two are in no way similar.

>>18680019
I feel like recommending Muv-Luv is a bit disingenuous given how much high school romcom stuff you have to read before it actually becomes a serious military story.

>>18680038
>romcom stuff you have to read before it actually becomes a serious military story.
Too filter the weak, anon. Every novel has that.

>>18680023
Of course they are, VNs are like choose-your-own-adventure books. You could, in theory, print out the text and would have a set of novels heavy on dialogue and light on descriptions.

>>18680038
It takes away a lot from the experience, but skipping the romcom is doable. Just get yourself a save state with Ultimate already unlocked.

>>18680045
Based.

>>18680061
>skipping the romcom is doable
You could skip it but it would ruin the game, as the plot is structured around it and the later parts intend for the player to have preexisting sentiments for the characters.
>>18680045
You have to read literally an entire VN of the shit before you can get to Alternative. I'm not saying that it's a bad VN, but you need to at least give a realistic disclaimer about what it actually is. That being said, if you want a serious SFF VN about war then read this >>18674524 when it gets released.

>>18680045
I think it's for you, King

>>18680050
Meant the anime girl and 3D girl.

Just saw someone reading a Sarah j mass book on the beach

>>18680098
Okay? And?

>>18680098
And you’re telling us this, why?

>>18680071
Thanks.

>>18680098
Me, caught you staring at my feet.

>>18680098
Creepy as fuck you would watch people reading.

New thread
>>18680118

>>18680090
Both aim at cumbrains, it's only a difference of how far down the slope you are

>>18680124
So what is further down the slope - the anniemay or the 3D?

>>18680124
And if it is (gasp!) both?