/lit/ - Literature

>>18663971
i enjoyed that book although it for some reason seems like a novel someone would write earlier in their career.

I've heard people both criticize and praise his depiction of children for realism. What do you think anons? were you part of some samurai philosophy death cult as a kid? would you have been interested in something similar?

STOP, FAGGOT. WE'VE HAD TOO MANY MISHIMA THREADS. FIND A THIRD AUTHOR TO POST ABOUT, MISHIMA AND SNEEDTZSCHE ARE MID ANYWAYS. NOT BAD YOU KNOW, JUST MID.
SAILOR IS DECENT DESU JUST LEANS TOO HEAVILY ON THE GANG OF PHILOSOPHICAL TEENS FOR IDEAS LIKE DAM NIGGA WHY CANT YOU JUST WORK IT IN IN A WAY THAT ISNT SO FORCED? GREAT ENDING DOE.

>>18664164
When we tried a third author we just got people crying about John Green and Rupi Kaur

Why isn't Mishima in Bungo Stray Dogs? Is he too recent? Does his estate own the rights to his name? Is he not actually popular in Japan?

>>18664044
The children are realistic but also exaggerated in a sense. I've had experiences as a child of thinking of someone as a hero and becoming disappointed about said someone not being the hero I thought him to be, as an adult the roles got reversed, of course; a lot of my little cousins had mad respect and love for me when they were younger but now...

exaggerated in the sense that killing small animals and etc. is not something most kids do, y'know? Sure, there's the occasional one or two but you can't find one in each school/highschool. Hell, I reckon there might even be whole cities without these protopsychos.

>>18664207
More like bunghoel gay wogs
Mishima's in that one ;)))))

>>18663971
Mishima is one of the 10 greatest writers of all time.

How did a gay manlet do it bros?

>>18664207
you know I thought the latest arc about "Decay of Angels" and a masked mastermind would be him. Instead it was some random who newcolumnist, and then suddenly vampires. I feel like asagiri kafka pussied out.

>>18665713
Homer
Virgil
Ovid
Dante
Chaucer
Shakespeare
Tolstoy
Balzac
Dostoevsky
Joyce
Dickens
Goethe
Melville
Proust
Cervantes
Milton
Hugo
Flaubert
Tolkien

This is excluding lyric poets and all playwrights except the greatest. And all the writers named are considered to be the titans. Is Mishima better than any of them?

>>18665927
this just off the top of my mind btw

>>18665930
This is a very Western list. Most people outside of west don't know about these authors. So taste is subjective.

>>18665947
Most people outside of the west are illiterate or bugmen. Africa doesnt read, the chinese are the definiton of bugmen, India is too poor and the Middle East is busy fighting over scripture and getting bombed, and nips read comics

>>18665947
And places like South America speak a european language so they have the same canon. Same in Russia btw

>>18663971
Why do girls act like Sun and Steel is such a red flag on a men's shelf?

>>18666219
It's a bad idea to invest years of life being with a man who will inevitably wake up some day and realize that his love of the male physique isn't just about its objective aesthetic value

>>18666228
lol good one

I want to get into Mishima's works
I've only managed to find The Temple of the Golden Pavilion, the Rite of Love and Death, Death in Midsummer, and Confessions of a Mask

which of these should I pick up first?

>>18666311
Ive olny read and really liked Confessions of a Mask but maybe it wont hit as well if youre not a repressed sodomite. Its still really well written and my friends liked it so maybe youll like it a lot too.
Try just getting the 4 of them from libgen, read the first ten pages, and see what you like more.

>>18663971
Mishima came on my face after I daintily fellated him. He groaned as the wave crashed within him. The drops of pearlescent substance flecked my cheeks like dew in spider’s webs.

>>18663971
mom bought me temple of the golden pavilion a coupld of montths ago but i have not started reading it due to uni, assignments, and video games. now that i have a 3 month break i will read it after reading the illiad

>>18665927
>Balzac
ligma balzac

>>18664164
This

>>18666441
lmao got him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>18665927
dickens is complete shit. Dostoevsky is extremely overrated. Tolkein does not belong on that list lmao. Mishima btfos all three of those easily.

>>18663971
I've read Confessions of a Mask. Should I read Sailor or Pavilion next?

>>18666311
Read Temple. It's accessible, and provides a deep immersion in all the stuff that makes Mishima Mishima.

I've read Confessions of the Mask and it was quite good.

Was he rly a repressed fag?

>>18663971
>Mishima
Larper faggot
Real samurai would have laughed at him and confiscated his sword

>>18666624
Dickens is just victorian netflix. Jack London is the american equivalent.

>>18665927
>Tolkien
Trying to sneak one in there? Just because he inspired a bunch of imitators doesn't mean he's not genre fiction trash. Let me guess; you like him because he's "based" Catholic.

>>18664164
It is annoying but definitely not mid. Mishima is one of the most underrated, possibly the most underrated, author of the 20th century.

>>18664207
He’s read and celebrated as a great novelist in Japan but still kind of controversial. Had he just been a vehement ultranationalist there would be no controversy. The fact that he actually staged a coup and seppuku in retaliation against the government and military sort of takes him into controversial territory.

>>18663971
>Currently on part 2 of The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With The Sea
same. if this thread is still up when i finish I will post my thoughts.

>>18667638
if the thread isn't up you should just make another Mishima thread and post your thoughts anyway

Has anyone here read The Spring of Fertility? I have it collecting dust after I took some time off reading the Golden Pavilion.

>>18664230
I thought the kid characters were a little confusing desu. I was laughing at how seriously they took themselves but I know that Mishima wanted them to represent his hope for a new Japan.

>>18666624
Dickens isnt that good, yes. Dostoevsky goes deeper into better philosophical questions than mishima, and writes more compelling stories. Tolkein - no, my man neess to stop it. Tolkein is influentual, not great.

Mishima's writinf is pretty good, not great except in small spots (the scene where mr mask is fighting the yellow nigga on the swing is heat, the ending of sailor, a few others). He's just a cool perspective to engage with, not a top tier writer.

>>18667617
Mishima is underrated? He's one of the most widely read modern classics in japan. Are you fucking stupid?
>dae johnson miltin ovr ratd?
Your foster mother obvs dropped you on your head when you were a baby

>>18667405
Im not christian and tradchristians are the caner of the Earth in my opion. Its a dead religion here in Europe at least. Dunno about Africa, heard its popular there.

>>18663971
A lot of his romanticising of war looks really childish to someone who experienced it.

>>18668527
> comparing Mishima to Milton
No, I believe you are the idiot.

>>18668651
When does he ever romanticize war?

>>18668677
He at least romanized violence

>>18668654
I made the comparison as a joke obvs, mishima is studied and read widely, he's one of the most popular jap writers in the west. Under rated?

>>18669192
Yes, underrated. He receives less interest over here than in Japan, less then other writers from his own era even, and is never in the discussion for best writer, best writer of his century, nothing. They give out a Mishima prize for people who are “innovative” and it’s become a consolation for LGBTQ and feminist novels. He’s not even the most celebrated author from the period while he was alive and I’m asserting he was one of the best, possibly the best, from that century.

>>18669234
Stop it. He doesn't deserve such acclaim anywhere. Sailor is super forced and awkward despite a good ending, temple is nothing special whatsoever, mask is an interesting character portrait but the ending sucks and his short stories are hit or miss with more misses than hits.
Maybe the tetralogy is amazing and will redeem him completely in my eyes, but i have to get around to that and kinda doubt it anyways. I hope i'm wrong tho.
He received plenty interest. Pewdiepie called him his fav author and his books have rocketed in sales since the 2000s. Anybody who really knows literature knows him. Nigga stop.

>>18669490
> PewDiePie said he likes him so he’s universally celebrated with literary acclaim ooga booga ebonics
Nobody gives a shit about your personal opinion either by the way since it’s not even what we were originally talking about. Sometimes I want to shoot myself in the head when I come across posters like you and realize that I actually come to the same shit heap of a board that you do.

>>18669555
t. lil nigga who thought his taste in books was obscure

>>18669589
> can’t read English
> thinks he can offer commentary on Japanese lit
That’s not because of the ebonics either btw.

>>18669602
Bye bye
Lil nigga cry
Lil nigga soft when a bitch ope her thighs
My, my
Lil nigga try
Lil nigga seethed when my victory's nigh

>>18663971
faggot

>>18669602
Sigh, sigh
Lil nigga cry
Me and yo bitch make a lil nigga pie

>>18669490
>temple is nothing special whatsoever,
Temple predicted incels and school shooters.