/lit/ - Literature

wow, it explains absolutely nothing.

>>18643357
The solution is phenoumendoelic pleroma. The book will flesh it out.

>>18643357
This should be a /lit/ banner

.pdf?

>>18643352
This stuff will never work and is always just avoiding God or his absence

>Catren argues that the projects oriented by the infinite ideas of reason (Truth, Beauty, Justice, Love) need not be abandoned in the face of the “exquisite crisis” of modernity. Instead, the “shipwreck” is to be understood as a suspension of finite subjectivity in the fullness of a “phenoumenodelic pleroma,” an atonal milieu ringing with unheard-of possibilities
It's always interesting to see how post-structuralists or post-post-structuralists try to reinvent Buddhism to deal with nihilism.

>>18643417
That's basically german idealism in retrospective.
Where do you get this buddhism-nihilist bullshit from?

>>18643417
Dumb nihilist with eyes cast down feeding on the Buddha crumbs while Plato, Erigeuna and Schelling feast at the table of superessential non-being.

>>18643350
>Finally!
>The solution to modernity
>POST-Modernity!

>>18643444
Nietzsche basically called it two hundred years ago: European Buddhism will emerge after the death of God and decline of Christianity (though he understood nihilism much better than he did Buddhism, but in a way that became the broader point, that European Buddhism wouldn't be Buddhism itself).
>superessential non-being
Sounds like nihilism but okay

>>18643451
>nirvana isn't superessential non-being
retard

>>18643475
>Sounds like nihilism
The complete opposite which excludes the ontological possibility of nihilism. Start with Perl.

>>18643475
>European Buddhism

>>18643482
No one has eros for nibbana, nor is nibbana an onto-theological font or ground of being.

>>18643473
Post-modernism makes no attempt at a foundationalism, and rather predicates itself on the impossibility of foundationalism, which this work will present.

>>18643506
>christer neoplatonist
That's a nihilist according to Nietzsche. You may not think so but I haven't read your complete works to decide if I care.

>>18643532
How pomo.

>>18643350
seems like Horia writes under another name now

>>18643506
One feels impelled to brandish Gilson as a kind of cross against this mutilation of Being. The whole thing has bad vibes

>>18643537
Dumb post.

>>18643537
>foundationalism in the current year is pomo
How many bowels are you in today moth?

>>18643534
Your loss.

>urbanomic
Into the trash it goes.

>>18643350
Theneo neophenoumenodelic quazaropermoropherinto pleromatica exogeonterritoriialititicizes neothe hyperplrnfnnfnjshhsbfbbfbnnehquenndjsh aldjhdhlej

Just rolls off the tongue.

>>18643352
Umm, sorry sweaty, but the concepts on beauty, truth, love and justice are DEBUNKED due to being Fascist.

>>18643611
based neologist

>>18643611
>>18643639
If you're not making up words as you go along to express your inner monke you are proverbially cucked

>>18643611
The more combinations of letters you use the more you manifest the pleroma.

well, are you going to say anything substantial about it?

Looks fun.
>not making up words on the go for your philosophy like a real based person
Thats why continental mubo-jumbo will forever be superior.

>>18643705
It's coming out in October, I thought the blurb looked promising and wanted to share. Nicholas of Cusa and Bruno of Nola vibes.

>>18643611
Tbf most of his published work is high-jargon physics.

>>18643726
Let's have threads again in October. I'll read it.

>>18643350
other will just shit on it only for urbanomic
but what's it about?

>>18643786
that's not him?

>>18643853
He's the second author:
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Gabriel-Catren-77417398

>>18643832
The completion of the system of transcendental philosophy by a physicist-philosopher.

>>18643828
Deal.

>>18643832
>other will just shit on it only for urbanomic
What's wrong with urbanomic?

>>18643832
>>18643828
>>18643389
Found an earlier sketch of his ideas as a preview
>Prolegomena to Speculative Absolutism
https://uberty.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/gabriel-catren-outland-empire.pdf

>>18643920
It's a contribution he made to this
>Continental Materialism and Realism: The Speculative Turn
http://www.re-press.org/book-files/OA_Version_Speculative_Turn_9780980668346.pdf

>>18643920
>>18643959
Sounds dangerously based. Only problem is needing to brush up on Kant before reading.

>>18643415
*ahem*>>18643920

>>18643920
Sounds dangerously cringe.

>>18643350
Hooray! More incoherent hipster word salad "theory-fiction" with a trippy cover!

>>18643899
If you don't know...
(Hi urbanomic)

accfags shill as hard as F. Gardner and they do it fo free LOL

>>18644323
Well yes I don't know, why do you think I'm asking?

>The Matter of Contradiction/Ungrounding the Object is the second event in a series of four focusing on the relationships between art and new forms of contemporary philosophy. The first event, Art Without Aesthetics, held in Rosascape, Paris, in December 2011, introduced the series, attending to questions of the artwork beyond anthropocentrism. This second event, Ungrounding the Object focuses its attention on the renewal of the object as conceived outside of human access and the shattering of the ‘space of critique’. It attempts to understand how art, philosophy, mathematics, geology and physics can collide, not just as procedure of transdisciplinarity but through the intersection of their independent dynamics and collusion of their materials. Articulated as the disruption or collapsing of the ground on which we stand, we claim ungrounding is a cognitive and material process of evisceration. To this end, the correlation between thought and the object should be revised. We wish to explore the impact of objective reality within the realm of art practice, contending that we must understand the capacity of the (art)object to unground through its contingent materiality.

What kind of person is interested in shit like this?

>>18644317
His day job is as a hard scientist, not a theory-fiction kindle author>>18643873

>>18644599
oh cool so he's like Alan Sokal but unironically a fraud

>>18644409
Start with Schelling's essay on freedom.

>>18644608
>insecure midwit trying to dunk on his intellectual superiors
Stupid child

>>18643380
The solution is phenoumendopedic golgurema, or hyper-gongoglia, not altertraded gogooglia.

>>18644716
>something outside of pleroma

>>18644618
Haven't seen a post this based in awhile

>>18644609
Based.

>>18643352
this, like everything, is btfo by mitchell heisman. biology is the hidden, assumed prior, and as it slowly loses its significance to technology non-hylics feel less and less at home. every preceding tradition that lasted did so because it appealed to the struggle to reproduce. either that matters, or nothing does. this is supernatural and spiritual because it is prior to us

>>18644750
Cringe

>>18645649
>mainlander garbage in the 21st century
Neurotic virgins self-selecting their defective minds out of the genepool via a fundamental misunderstanding of the ground of being.

>>18645833
he did it for you and me, anon, it was the only way, it completely proved his point and decided it on the side of life

>>18643506
except Perl is an agnostic

>>18643920
>https://uberty.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/gabriel-catren-outland-empire.pdf

More like "Prolegomena to Speculative Autism."

"In other words, the philosophical disindoxication of experience exerts itself via a systematic composition and concertation of the mediating vectors that operate within the multiple spectral sections of the real."

In other words, philosophy allows people to experience reality as being the byproduct of multiple kinds of complexity coming together.

Thanks, didn't know that.

>>18646521
>look mum I'm debunking ideas I don't understand and debasing them to my level

>>18646083
Were Dionysius, Proclus, or Plotinus, who the book is about? Incredibly dumb post.

I'm interested in the painting. Anyone know the artist? None of the publication pages have any info.

>>18646585
Cover Image: Alfredo Londaibere, Untitled, ca. 2000.
https://www.urbanomic.com/book/pleromatica/

>>18646585
>>18646627
It's like a cross between Henri Rousseau and Hieronymus Bosch.

>>18643350
>>18643352
>Nihilism 2.0
Rebuild my church.

>>18643350
To OP and anyone else: I see Urbanomic regularly publish tons of books, all sounding like schizo post-Landian stuff, but you guys usually only shill one (Spinal Catastrophism) and I guess now this one, which isn't even out yet (suspicious). My question is, has anyone even read most or all of these books? Which ones are good and which ones aren't? Who is reading these books? By what metric are Moynihan or Catren any different than the others?

>>18646888
If you don't like schizo pomo philosophy a la Deleuze you won't like CCRU/Land/Moynihan. Simple as.

>>18646906
I never said I wouldn't like? Sorry, I know saying it all sounds schizo post-Landian makes it sound like an insult. It's supposed to be neutral. They do all sound exactly like that though. I'm not here to say that makes them bad. I'm asking if people really read most of the Urbanomic books, or suspicious if the shilled ones are shilled by the authors. I'm asking what the other ones are about.

>>18646954
I've actually never read any of the others but I see them recommended by Bezos's algos all the time.

>>18646691
it's still there and it can't answer our questions.

>>18646888
X-Risk is really good, very approachable genealogy and the opposite of schizo post-Landian stuff. I tried to recommend it on here but everyone called me a shill because most people on here are the schizos.

The book isolates the history of humanity coming to terms with extinction, arguing it represents a definite change in consciousness seeing as it had to be discovered and early philosophers could never have foreseen it. It's really a good history book following probably the most important human discovery and touches on many interesting writers and scientists. I felt the end was a cope out and far to positive about the future seeing as in my opinion extinction is unavoidable while the author tries to argue that we can avoid it. If there was one book I would recommend everyone to read it would be this

>>18647635
Why does he think ancients didn't understand the concept of human extinction, apocalypse feature prominently in many ancient myths

>>18647644
that's the sense of an ending, not an ending of sense. Half the book is dedicated to the difference.

>>18647645
If the world is cleaned by fire and all he humans die the resulting new world is an ending of sense isn't it?

These Urbanomic shills are fucking disgusting. Their dear hack faggot Reza literally got BTFO'd and made no sense when he tried to fuck with Bernardo Kastrup. Their only refuge is obfuscation because all of them are a bunch of fucking pseuds with an exception of 2 or 3 scholars.

>>18647656
>philosophy is about whose dad could beat up whose
I am sorry, but you must be 18 to post here.

>>18647656
At this point most of these people contribute nothing to anything and are appendages of the publishing industry. Very critique, much radical.

>>18647666
When he got confronted he kept babbling like a fucking retard. I would have loved to hear his take but his pseud bullshit made no sense. I haven't seen anyone on this board who was able to describe Reza's philosophical positions. Bernardo's philosophical positions are crystal clear and even did a QnA with little children and he even wrote a philosophical children book. He is a brave and sincere philosopher who doesn't hide behind jargon.

>>18647682
Is Reza the guy who thinks oil is alive? I'm more of a Spinal Catastrophism enjoyer.

>>18647697
>Is Reza the guy who thinks oil is alive?
Yeah, but he """disowned""" that book because now he is a """serious""" philosopher.

>I'm more of a Spinal Catastrophism enjoyer.
This hack mooched off Zapffe's The Last Messiah.

>>18646888
Catren is a serious physicist who also takes an interest in philosophy, see>>18643873

>>18647656
>These
>>18644326
>accfags
>s

>>18648239
No there many Schizos

accfag has a trip now.

>>18647697
Everything concrete is alive, as are most(all?) abstract things, that's a basic discovery of Plato.

>>18647707
>This hack mooched off Zapffe's The Last Messiah.
Ah you were in the last thread too. But whose homework did Zapffe copy?

>solves religion
>solves philosophy
>solves modernity
It's all just Neuroscience

>>18649444
aaaah, i fucking love science!

>>18649432
Kinda Tolstoy when he wrote about cope due to which humans don't go extinct but this his view of consciousness as a malignant agent was original which drives us towards extinction

>The tragedy of a species becoming unfit for life by overevolving one ability is not confined to humankind. Thus it is thought, for instance, that certain deer in paleontological times succumbed as they acquired overly-heavy horns. The mutations must be considered blind, they work, are thrown forth, without any contact of interest with their environment.

>In depressive states, the mind may be seen in the image of such an antler, in all its fantastic splendour pinning its bearer to the ground.

>>18649615
Forget monke let's return to megafauna and get giant antlers.

>>18649393
Which dialogue?

>>18647670
I honestly feel this worry. Like, Urbanomic publishes a lot of content all seemingly "original", but it seems like it matters little, is read by no one, individual works don't even interact with each other, it's different from how speculative realism was or even accelerationism where people at least bounced off each other more often. Now it seems like everything is disconnected and "originality" comes cheap, judging from the plenitude. Something about that worries me. If originality is so easy, doesn't that undermine its value? And the fact nobody reads most of this stuff makes me feel the motivation isn't either the intrinsic value of originality or the desire to be read, but some kind of (possibly malicious) circlejerk impetus. There's something devilish, fiendish, about making shit up with the hope something thinks you are hot shit for it.

>>18649965
Timaeus
>Tim. Let me tell you then why the creator made this world of generation. He was good, and the good can never have any jealousy of anything. And being free from jealousy, he desired that all things should be as like himself as they could be. This is in the truest sense the origin of creation and of the world, as we shall do well in believing on the testimony of wise men: God desired that all things should be good and nothing bad, so far as this was attainable. Wherefore also finding the whole visible sphere not at rest, but moving in an irregular and disorderly fashion, out of disorder he brought order, considering that this was in every way better than the other. Now the deeds of the best could never be or have been other than the fairest; and the creator, reflecting on the things which are by nature visible, found that no unintelligent creature taken as a whole was fairer than the intelligent taken as a whole; and that intelligence could not be present in anything which was devoid of soul. For which reason, when he was framing the universe, he put intelligence in soul, and soul in body, that he might be the creator of a work which was by nature fairest and best. Wherefore, using the language of probability, we may say that the world became a living creature truly endowed with soul and intelligence by the providence of God.
It's not a rhetorical flourish, by "living creature truly endowed with soul and intelligence" he means everything in the world is truly alive and living, and further, has a mind and soul. This is a doctrine which marks Platonism out from other schools, gives them certain advantages, and also forces them to defend counterintuitive and ostensibly stupid notions like the intelligence of rocks and the life of oil.

>>18647682
I tried to listen to this talk on iai and it told me I had to pay for a subscription. I am not doing that. Any way to view it for free?

>>18650262
https://youtu.be/9cuUc6yjGnM

Podcast is free

>>18643350
>physiognomy check
No thanks. Not going to buy your book, faggot. Go shill on r*ddit.

>>18650374
Go back to >>>/fa/ and the eat dirt on which super models walk. You have no relationship with Truth.

>>18650374
how does this fail the PC?

>>18650409
Bulbous forehead, minimal philtrum, yellowing teeth, receding hairline, heavy brows, asymmetric expression, etc.

>>18650409
(((this))) fails more than one check

>>18650422
>bulbous forehead
mark of a scholar
>minimal philtrum
no one's philtrum is well defined when they're smiling
>yellowing teeth
big reach here. It's a low resolution photo in unknown lighting, and they barely look yellow. Teeth that are much whiter than those is a worse fail on the PC. Modern medicinal over-grooming.
>receding hairline
At that age and that hairline, this is simply not a fail. Far, far too many great men in history found themselves bald in their middle age for this to be a fail.
>heavy brows
how is this a failure? Heavy brows look striking, imposing. Dainty and thin brows are far more timid and meek.
>asymmetric expression
possibly the only valid point on this entire list. Yes he doesn't have god-tier symmetry, but that's not enough for a failure.

You need to brush up on your physiognomy perception, or you're going to be hylic-tier for your whole life.

>>18650374
>>physiognomy check

>>18650374
Quite the dashing gentleman. Big strong jaw. Could do with a hair cut and brush.

>>18650403
>Go back to >>>/fa/ and the eat dirt on which super models walk. You have no relationship with Truth.
t. ugly incel.

sure do love being raided/shilled by twitter troons. you have to go back.

>>18650600
I am not an incel, I don't think that Truth revolves around bodily looks. You have a lot in common with incels because you value looks over intellect.

>>18650611
which posts are by the troons and which aren't? How can you tell? I can't see them, but you might be able to perceive something I can't. Please highlight their posts and explain how you identified them.

>>18650125
>And the fact nobody reads most of this stuff makes me feel the motivation isn't either the intrinsic value of originality or the desire to be read, but some kind of (possibly malicious) circlejerk impetus. There's something devilish, fiendish, about making shit up with the hope something thinks you are hot shit for it.

This entire class of art and literature is all fueled by Epstein-esque patronage. Always has been. That doesn't mean some of it isn't good, but it does not get published because some suits said "hey this guy worked really hard to share his ideas with the world and gosh we just wanna make it happen!!!". Unfortunately lots of people take this at face value which is partly why they get so angry about "modern art my kid could draw" and "a bunch of postmodern word salads" as if these works were ever meant to appeal to them.

>>18643352
>phenoumenadelic
fuck me, I wish I wasn’t such a god damn slut for this kind of linguistic sophistry. I need to read the big clumsy words

>>18643352
>phenoumenadelic pleroma
-delic
>Of attitudes or activities relating to a given type of experience. Greek dēlos, clear, manifest, plus ‑ia.
Pleroma
>plenitude: the fullness of divine excellencies and powers. Late Latin, fullness, from Greek plērōma that which fills, from plēroun to make full, from plērēs full.

>>18650767
99% of them. accfag has a trip

>>18651870
Like psychodelic, except activites of phenomena rather than the soul.

>>18653421
We’ll it looks like they put ‘noumenal’ in there too which is just (kiss fingers like an Italian chef)

>>18643537
Fuck you

>>18650374
Monster jaw, high test.