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1863555 No.1863555 [Reply] [Original]

Hey /lit/, my friend just read Beyond Good and Evil by Nietzsche, and I think it destroyed him. He's been pretty depressed lately, so can you recommend some "happier" philosophy for him?

>> No.1863561

The SCUM Manifesto. A very upbeat and enlightening read.

>> No.1863565

>>1863561
Fuck you.

Have him read The Rebel by Albert Camus. It's glorious.

>> No.1863581

Way of the Peaceful Warrior

>> No.1863588

>>1863581
lolol and maybe the Hunger Games while he's at it. He asked for happy, not garbage

>> No.1863603

>>1863588
Hey man, maybe new age philosophy is considered shit to the general /lit/izen, but I found that book in the mountains by pure luck. I went ahead and read it and I have to say, I've been significantly happier at life since then.

>> No.1864215

none of these are actual works of philosophy, minus camus

if your friend, OP, wants "happier" philosophy, i'd recommend something by richard rorty - really famous guy, very engaging writer, ideas that aren't too hard to digest, and heavily influenced by nietzsche. lots of nietzschean play. contingency, irony, and solidarity is pretty good. also, no metaphysics!

>> No.1864221

Those who would trade happiness for reality deserve neither. -Benjamin Bible

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>>1864215
>none of these are actual works of philosophy

>> No.1864240

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/philosophy-a-guide-to-happiness/4od#2921723

>> No.1864241

>>1864221
it's the reverse

>> No.1864243

>depressed by nietzsche

lol, try reading the last book of zarathustra or something.

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1864245

Sounds like your friends needs to find the lord and savior Jesus Christ.

(this is actually an awesome book though)

>> No.1864247

>>1864241
Bible Benjamin was a painter.

>> No.1864253

HIS PHILOSOPHY ISNT EVEN DEPRESSING FUCK

>> No.1864254

Happiness is a pig's philosophy!

>> No.1864260

>>1864254
That's so weird... I was really just about to post that. Are you psychically trained?

>> No.1864263
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1864263

>getting depressed over a book

I seriously hope you guys don't do this.

>> No.1864262

>>1863555

have friend reread BG&E and be happy

>> No.1864266

Let him play the video game of this book, it's now remasterd in HD, it's excellent and he'll be happy.

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>>1864263
>2011
>not connecting with art emotionally

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>>1864267
>2011
>not knowing the difference between art and philosophy

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>>1864269
>implying philosophy isn't an arts degree

>> No.1864274

>>1864266
You are aware that the video game is completely unrelated, or are you joking? I'm not too sure.

>> No.1864276

>>1864274
Okay just read your comment again and i'm 99.9% certain you're joking.

>> No.1864279

What depressed him exactly?
There's a speech given by Allan Bloom on Youtube about Nietzsche, and he talks about how many times he's had his students come crying into his room about Nietzsche throwing them into a crisis, lololololol.
Nietzsche destroys Americans.

>> No.1864312

>>1864279
thanks you, listening to that now

>> No.1864324

link?

>> No.1864328

You could try The Comforts of Philosophy by Alain de Botton, but what an idiotic reaction to Nietzsche and what an idiotic approach to choosing what philosophy to read.

Maybe he should just go to Church instead?

>> No.1864332

>>1864324

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOrUBQjPfhU

>> No.1864377

the principia discordia.

>> No.1864380

just read some biology and neurology you silly

>> No.1864381

The Little Engine that Could

>> No.1864388

Anybody who reads philosophical texts as a sort of self-help guide -- these are the people for whom de Botton writes -- is an impoverished fool who does not understand the true value to be gleaned from philosophical discourse. If you want to just reduce great thinkers to bite-size chunks of comfort food, that's fine, but don't pretend that what you're doing is philosophical. It's not.

I have no idea why Nietzsche would be depressing. He's actually one of the more optimistic thinkers of the late 19th century (and early 20th). If you read him alongside Weber and Freud, you'll find that only in Nietzsche does humanity have the opportunity to escape from its woes by taking a great leap. In Weber, we are trapped by the iron cage of capitalism, no longer able to wear our wealth lightly like a cloak. In Freud, we are doomed to repress our deepest and most offensive thoughts in our subconscious, a necessary process for civilization to work. Only in Nietzsche do we find the possibility of redemption.

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1864394

Sounds like your friend wasn't really ready for what was in the pages there. That's fine, if he reacted that way to it, then that's just an indicator of how he's been living his life up until this point. But instead of moving on to something else to read, most likely to try and cover up what was just read, he should try to evaluate his response more. It is possible for him to realize why he reacted negatively to it, and then overcome that in himself.