/lit/ - Literature

>>18639749
The dead by james joyce

>>18639749
I don't care if her body count is in the quadruple digits; if she looks like that I will marry her

>>18639749
Just beat her bro.

>>18639749
Just eat her out and shut up

>>18639749
How are women allowed to look this cute? It's unbelievable.

There really aren't any books about it. It's not the kind of thing that people in past eras had to think about. Sure, you had the odd pious man marrying a known harlot, but most societies contextualized that as an act of charity and piety on his part, particularly in the middle ages in Europe.

>>18639791
This. Women are simple creatures, they can't help but falling in love with whomever provides her the best orgasms. The Japanese have a saying "if you want a woman to fall in love with you, have sex with her."

>>18639791
>Just eat her out and shut up

>>18639749
Don't be a F*cking Pussy by Rick Downs

I dunno Houellebecq maybe. I’ve read his books and I guess atomised is almost for that feel.

>>18639821
That right, nipple boy. You are the secondary sex

>>18639829
>Don't be a F*cking Pussy by Rick Downs

>>18639777
trips of truth

>>18639749
It’s not that bad if she’s only had 1 or 2 previous bfs. If anything this means she’s unlikely to cheat on you since she already knows out there, especially if you’re a good lay. Women don’t dump a guy for no reason, her exes were probably dicklets or shit in bed.
If she has a 10+ body count then it’s your fault for being such a poor judge of character

>>18639841
>That right, nipple boy. You are the secondary sex

>>18639749
If it's bothering you now, just break up with the slut. The pain will only get worse as you grow more emotionally attached to her. Don't fall the cuckolded Reddit narratives like "Past is the past" etc. because you're setting yourself up for suffering. No self-respecting man should tolerate a woman with excessive history of whoring herself out, unless you're using for sex and sex only - not to mention that she's pretty much guaranteed to cheat on you repeatedly if she's already given in to her promiscuous tendencies before. I'm sharing this from experience, used to date a slut for couple of years as naive teenager and it turned out to be the worst thing that ever happened to me.

I dont think I can love a women who had sex before meeting me. Even now I feel bad for my current girlfriend because I was already used before she got me

>>18639851
>It’s not that bad if she’s only had 1 or 2 previous bfs
I think what's more important is how her past relationships were themselves.
If she's in her 30's then having slept with more than 10 people is fine IF they were all committed relationships and not bus station blowjobs

>>18639851

I would say 5+ is already awful, but 1,2 is pretty ok and realist by today's standards.

>>18639871
>I feel bad for my current girlfriend because I was already used before she got me
Surely losing your virginity and then meeting someone else would make you realize that having a past sexual encounter doesn't inherently "taint" you?

>>18639874
>If she's in her 30's then having slept with more than 10 people is fine

>>18639888
How many people have you slept with, soinos?

>>18639866
Why would it? What a wreck you are. Geez, it’s not like we have a culture that pits up with males sleeping around behind their spouses backs all the time.
Marriage bonds are a mistake. Your fragile egos/balls can’t take it.

My gf had sex with 29 different people. She used to be an escort.

>>18639904
>it’s not like we don’t have a culture that puts up with*

>>18639904
I'm actually offended by the abysmal quality of your bait.

>>18639907
Based ho

>>18639749
>your girlfriends sexual past?
It doesnt matter unless her previous sexual partners are included in your friends group.

>>18639913
You will never have a wife

>Male has sex with as many females as possible
>This is socially acceptable and encouraged by society
>Female has sex with as many males as possible
>Socially unacceptable disgusting abomination

???

>>18639866
>dating as a teenager
Is a recipe for disaster no matter what. Men shouldn't chase love until they are well into their 20s.

>>18639871
>>18639907
How the fuck did you guys manage to get a gf

>>18639888
1 person a year since an adult... it really isnt much.
Do you also consider how many times theyve inserted a dildo or end of a hair brush into their vagina? BRO NOW ITS A BODY COUNT OF 10,000!

>>18639886
I dont think there's anything inherently wrong with having past partners. I'm sure my girlfriend doesn't mind I've had sex before cus she's a well-adjusted person. In fact I'm sure she enjoys me being experienced. I just can't shake off the need for my girlfriend to be a virgin for me to love her

>>18639938
women love intelligent men who seem retarded at first glance

>Y-y-yea I don't care that my wife was getting creampied regularly by between 3 and 30 different men for 5-10 years before I met her
>Of course I don't feel that there is anything wrong with this! This was before we met!
>lol you incels are SO pathetic and insecure!

>>18639925

>Females have tits as big as possible
>This is socially acceptable and encouraged by society
>Males have tits as big as possible
>Socially unacceptable disgusting abomination

???

>>18639938
I decided to take care of her. That's how women work. You have to be a provider. Civilization was created for the sole purpose of making women comfortable.

>>18639949
*rubs bald spot*

>>18639952
Why do you insist on obsessing over other mens creampies instead of making your own?

>>18639966
also I'm extremely vain and have decent hair

>>18639749
BOOKS ABOUT LIVING ACCORDING TO MY VALUES, SUCH THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT LIVED ACCORDING TO VALUES SIMILAR TO OR THE SAME AS THOSE THAT I HOLD WILL NOT EVEN REACH THE POINT OF DATING ME?

>>18639925
Lotharios were disliked since forever, angry fathers would send the boys to beat them up if they found out they had defiled their daughters’ purity.
The stigma just wasn’t as strong because manwhores aren’t as common as regular whores.

>ex gf was supposedly in an abusive relationship in high school (I went to school with her)
>when I dated her after she broke up with that guy she liked to call me daddy, let me call her my princess, loved to get spanked, slapped, choked, etc
>thought it would be hot if I was ten years older than her
ummm guys?

>>18639749
don't date whores, it's that simple

>>18639874
>If she's in her 30's then having slept with more than 10 people is fine IF they were all committed relationships and not bus station blowjobs
Not even 15% of women in their thirties have slept with anywhere close to ten or more men. About 43% of women in their thirties have slept with no more than two men. Your view of the world comes from screens, not reality.

>>18639952
I'm willing to bet that if you were the one making the creampies you probably wouldn't be so goddammed fucking butthurt.

But you aren't. lmao.

>>18639981
But anon... All women are whores..

>>18639963
You decided to take care of your ex-escort gf who's fucked nearly 30 men who aren't you?
>>18639969
Because a woman's patina doesn't go away once you cum inside her a few times. You can't uncum outside of her on behalf of the men who fucked her before she sauntered into your life. No idea why this is so hard for people. Why is it wrong be be disgusted by the thought or foreknowledge that your strictly monogamous life partner used to choke on other mens' cocks and get fucked in every hole? It's gross and I don't like it.
>>18639986
See above. A creampie from me does naught to the creampies from thee and thee and thee.

>>18639982
I can find a dozen other listings of statistics that say the complete opposite.

Statistics are bullshit.

>>18639971
Whatever. Eventually it’ll fall out. Mature women love balding men

>>18639999
massively checked and post stats, I'm actually curious

>>18639995
Enjoy being alone anon. Everyone is a sinner. It's your choice to be butthurt about it and keep yourself from experiencing your life.

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. You're no acception.

Not one, not one is clean or virtuous.

>>18639749
tfw no bpd sex crazy alt chick to have a mutually toxic and abusive relationship with

>>18640004
I've seen stats that state that the median number of partners for both men and women is around seven partners or so.

Something like one in five women have had a threesome/double penetration.

How to get a GF like in the OP?

>>18640013
Who said anything about being alone? I just won't marry an ex-whore. I'll still have sex with her. It's not THAT hard to find non-whorish women either. One of two of my girlfriends were virgins.
>>18640028
Wild. I heard the rate of female virginity/sexual inactivity was actually rising. Not as sharply as in men, but still noticeably. Could be wrong though.

Everyone on this earth wants to be held and make love at least once in their lives.

The longer you stay butthurt that you weren't someone's first the longer you prolong your suffering. Besides, nowadays it's an unfair standard to hold up when kids are fucking when they're 10/11 and shit.

There is a lot of criteria for judging whether a girl is too much of a whore. It all depends on her age, the frequency of the encounters, the type of encounters, if she has ever been unfaithful, were any of the guys grimy, etc. At the end of the day I don’t want people judging my past too much so I’ll give girls a lot of leeway unless there are things that I can’t look past. Also her recent history is important

>>18640040
73.6% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

>>18640055
That's a reasonable stance, but how do you get all that info? Women are disingenuous by nature and especially when it comes to their sexual history, you can be certain she isn't telling you everything.

>>18639925
This is going to sound like incel talk but I've yet to hear a good counter-argument:
>a single male is able to impregnate as many females as he likes, the imperative being to spread his genetics as far and wide as possible
>a female may be impregnated by only one male at a time, requiring at least nine months between each, so her imperative is to reserve her genetic 'potential' for the best male
Once you accept these facts, you will realise that the sexual double-standards present in most human societies, despite being unfair, are a natural evolutionary mechanism. I know that an appeal to nature is a logical fallacy, but it seems futile to fight against something that we will always instinctively feel, just like how people are instinctively repulsed by the thought of incest, as it produces bad genetics, even though logically it doesn't do anything 'wrong' according to our modern liberal values (two consenting adults having sex causes no harm to anyone else). Society's values can obviously be shifted away from their 'natural state', but that only goes so far before collapsing, and is not even necessarily desirable. While systematic double-standards can be eliminated through changing the system that implements them, I don't believe that personal double standards will ever go away fully

>>18640034
Why?

>>18640067
It’s actually better if you never get that info. Ignorance is bliss. There are usually a couple of red flag areas that I’ll try to slyly ask her about. At the end of the day if you enjoy being with her more than the stress that you receive from her, then stay in a relationship with her. If you really want to get the scoop, try to figure out what her reputation is with friends and acquaintances

>>18639949
So you're saying I got a good chance if I get a checkered hat and smoke a pipe?

There will be two answers in this thread, they are as follows.

>You are a cuckold if you don't date only virgins
>You are a virgin if you ever care about body count
Then a blend of the two. Such as >>18640055.

The truth however is this is entirely subjective. If we were to meet one day, I wouldn't be able to accurately estimate how much sex your lovely wife had before she met you. This ultimately will be your decision to make.
I'd say in order to deal with it, come up with your sexual morality. Think about what matters to you. No one will be perfect so you don't want to lose someone over an error in their past but at the same time it's always up to you my friend.
>>18640067
I never say to lie but instead you should come off open to hear here experiences and don't let them know you will be judgmental
>Anonnete, we never talked about before me, you ever get down to some wild shit?
>What is the wildest shit you've done? No judgement here, think we've all been there

Also this wouldn't necessarily fit with a virgin but you get the idea of the general attitude.

>>18640097
The argument is that it's fucking hypocritical and leads to glorification of casual sex?
It shows that some woman in your society should be used as fleshlights when you would never want that for your daughter.
How is that hard to understand?
Men shouldn't be having casual sex either in my estimation

>>18640034
>Start lifting
>Gain confidence
>Realize social skills work like a muscle
>Tell her you always wanted to fuck Elvira or something as a kid
>Ask her to do a goth cosplay for you
>Fuck the hell out of her
>Warm her up to black nail polish and band t shirts
>Change her aesthetic and music taste a bit

>>18639999
Try getting a statistic at Dorsia now

learn to appreciate the depravity of it.

>>18640126
Nope. As much as I enjoy some pipe tobacco it's not the 1920's anymore. I rarely use my tobacco pipe in public.

Affectations will not get you pussy. No woman ever creamed her panties thinking about Sigmund Freud.

God, I just want to love and be loved...

>>18640146
>No woman ever creamed her panties thinking about Sigmund Freud
I wouldn't be so sure

The past no longer exists. There is only ever here and now. If you are making love with someone alone together and not just totally present in the moment, the action of it all, then what's the point? Why bother?

>>18640170
Based retarded epicurean

>>18640168
Nah.. I'm pretty sure. YWNBAW btw

>>18640172
>Based retarded

???

>>18640146
If you want to attract intelligent women, you need to dress up as Sherlock Holmes with the checkered hat and pipe.
This is common knowledge.

>>18640179
Just a retarded Platonist. Pay it no mind

>>18640179
first day?

>>18640127
>The argument is that it's fucking hypocritical and leads to glorification of casual sex?
It is hypocritical, and it is unfair. So is the fact that ugly people are less likely to pass job interviews, but it still happens. I'm not saying it's good, I'm saying that it's natural and practically impossible to change without a nightmarish level of intrusion into people's personal lives.
>It shows that some woman in your society should be used as fleshlights when you would never want that for your daughter.
I wouldn't want that for my daughter, because I would like to think that she would be attractive and thus inclined to turn down most advances. I'd also like to think that she will be very intelligent, but I can't guarantee that, and will have to accept the reality of the situation if she does end up being a brainlet. You are confusing the way you think the world should be with the way the world is. These behaviours are an unavoidable aspect how we have developed as a species.
>Men shouldn't be having casual sex either in my estimation
Yeah I agree personally, but I accept that I feel this way because I am a beta male and would be lucky to find one very desirable woman to have a baby with. If I were more attractive, I would be having lots of casual sex with all sorts of women, because I would have a lot less to risk by ghosting them and moving on.

>>18639866
Falling in love with a whore is one of the most psychologically damaging things that can happen to a young man. Half of you wants to cling to her, to love her, and to protect her. The other half of you is repulsed by her and wants to be rid of her and is disgusted by everything she says. Your mind is totally divided against itself and there's no real resolution. I fell in love with a whore in college and it was so crippling to my well being. I hope I can fall in love with a nice girl some day.

>>18640183
>Fadora logic

Yeah, you let me know when that works out for you.

>>18640146
>No woman ever creamed her panties thinking about Sigmund Freud.
There were Dora, H.D., and Marie Bonaparte at least.

Unless you're doing your dating at your local church, every woman in her mid-20s is a whore with a bodycount over five. Your opportunity for virginal poon was in high school whether you took it or not, and taken or not, it is gone now. Just gotta live with it.

>>18640215
This is the objective truth

>>18639749
How to get a goth gf? I’m not even kidding. I want a goth gf so badly bros even more than an Asian gf.

>>18640204
>doesn't know the reference
Gottem
Also, >reddit spacing

>>18640195
Okay but giving into your carnal desires makes for a weak fucking group of people.
I've been attractive and unattractive and I've turned down sex at all points of my life. First off, quit describing yourself as a fucking beta male. You have an odd notion of winners all being born winners and you should instead familiarize yourself with the concept of the hero's journey instead.

>Society's values can obviously be shifted away from their 'natural state', but that only goes so far before collapsing, and is not even necessarily desirable. While systematic double-standards can be eliminated through changing the system that implements them, I don't believe that personal double standards will ever go away fully
And my argument is who the fuck are you to say that? We've built Rome, we've done tremendous feats by not giving into these carnal desires and it's incredibly defeatist to just sit there and say why bother and it'll all fail anyways.
The horrifying truth to your argument is not only could society go past casual sex being viewed as a negative, it could go into the fucking stratosphere and achieve things beyond your wildest comprehension

>>18639999
Not a single one of those datasets will be as comprehensive and methodologically sound as the General Social Survey. I'm not kidding when I say that there is not a shred of credible evidence for the claim that the average American woman has had more than five partners (even five is a stretch) at any point in her life.

>>18640227
>Muh Reddit spaysss!

Shut the fuck up. Not s real thing. Nice straw man though, dipshit.

>>18640226
I outlined this to another anon but here is the way.

Start lifting, get lean as well, start matching your aesthetic. Familiarize yourself around that genre of people so that might come from music venues, certain brands, whatever it is, get into that world.
Then if you can't find a QT of that aesthetic, make one. Women tend to be malleable so go find the girl whose out there waiting for you.
From there do these steps
>Slowly introduce her into how you dress
>Get her black nail polish
>Get her band shirts
>Ask to fuck her in goth make up one night
>Start slowly getting her into more goth culture
>Compliment how it looks on her so she has more confidence about wearing it
>watch horror movies or some shit idk man


Asking for goth women is like a female asking for skater guys, they are hardly different then the rest of us so you just need to find one who clung to that aesthetic.

>>18640215
>any decent looking church girl older than 18
>virgin
Amusing.

>mfw my ex-fiancée had a body count of over 20

That’s rough OP. Mine was an ex party girl type. It ended up destroying my relationship. I just couldn’t get over the fact that she would let so many men use her. I remember trying to tell my mother and my mother being disturbed but responding with “It’s all in the past, she’s with you now right?”

>>18640215
https://www.unz.com/anepigone/women-sexual-partners-do-not-easily/

The GSS allows for approximating the cohort his loose girls are part of. Following is the distribution of sexual partners since 18 for women ages 30-35 (N = 680). Only responses from 2000 to 2008 are included. These women were in their primes during the nineties and the earlier part of this decade:

Partners
0 3.4%
1 23.8%
2 15.8%
3 10.5%
4 6.9%
5 9.5%
6-10 19.6%
11+ 10.5%

https://www.unz.com/anepigone/young-women-do-get-around-albeit-once/

The following table shows the percentage who say they have had ten more more partners as well as the total sample size for women aged 25-30 who were asked about their sexual behaviors:

Year 10+ N
1989 11.1% 95
1990 9.3% 81
1991 12.8% 90
1993 8.8% 109
1994 15.3% 193
1996 14.2% 176
1998 9.9% 175
2000 14.5% 129
2002 17.9% 138
2004 14.2% 148
2006 15.7% 155
2008 14.7% 104

>>18640215
>he thinks local church women are virgins

Why not just die?

>>18640244
My fashion sense is the exact opposite of goth though and I have no desire to change it.

>>18640200
You've described the experience perfectly. For me, it caused such lingering trauma that I've turned down opportunities for sex or relationships with more then 10 different girls in the decade since. Hoping you'll haver better recovery than that, bro.

>>18640245
>>18640255
Settle down I didn't say they were virgins. I suggested they had a <5 bodycount.
>>18640251
>Only responses from 2000 to 2008 are included.
What quaint, simple times.

>>18640268
It's not a requirement so you can just circumvent a lot of what I said and just try the converting her into it. That being said people who are similar tend to attract to one another.
Maybe not goth guys but the male equivalent being an eboy or skater or whatever.
You should think about the female gaze more and possibly branch out in clothing taste if you are incredibly hard up for some goth pussy.

>>18640275
If you look carefully at the numbers, you'll see that things have not changed since then.

I dress like lindybeige (rural Anglo country bourgeois) and have great success with goths because I look like daddy.

I think the girl from the OP might be gay. Bad news...

>>18639749
Become a christian and go to Church.
> bu-but jebus don't real!
You're just a dweeb who's found a tribe and adopted the dominant ethos of that tribe. Your motivation for holding your beliefs has nothing to do with objective reality. You're just signalling clan membership and identity.
And look at the outcomes. Christians have healthy traditional values that are conducive of social cohesion, trust, and ensure that children are raised in a healthy, virtuous environment. Christian women are more modest, stable, and come from good families. They're not sluts and it shouldn't be hard for you to find a good one who has had no sexual partners before you.
The woman in the OP might make your dick harder, but I guarantee she's an atrocious person who is only motivated by hedonism and self interest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZMb5eij6dI

>>18640292
I dress like a faggot in a fraternity (basically exactly like Tucker carlson including bow ties) and I get zero goth pussy though desu I haven’t really tried.

I did hook up with art ho type who had a nose ring and the sides of her head shaved and dyed blue.

>>18640305
She does sound happy, yes.

>>18640310
bro why

>>18640307
Damn, are seriously still Christfaging unironically in 2021? Don’t you think that’s a little old hat now?

>>18640320
My mom bought and still buys all of my clothes lol. I’m 28

>>18640323
based

>>18640310
Did you get her to read Confederacy of Dunces?

>>18640307
Sly propaganda, but you really don't have much experience with christian girls outside of school/church if you actually believe they don't whore themselves around before marriage. Why wouldn't they? They can just confess and it's like it never happened. We're all sinners after all :3

>>18640228
You misunderstand, I don't think 'alpha males' (I find these terms cringey but nothing else really fits for this) are better than me in any absolute way, I just think they end up having sex with a lot more women. I'm very comfortable with who I am and believe I play an important role in society, I'm doing a good job at what I do and would consider myself a 'winner'. I don't want to have casual sex and I've never been hardwired that way.

Carnal desires are among the purest and most rewarding things we are capable of experiencing as humans. It seems like you're almost ashamed of the very impulses that have been designed to give you pleasure, as if it's some sort of trap or 'cheating' to feel simple gratification. I would much rather see us move closer to a society that is based on facilitating us in enjoying life as nature has programmed us to, than attempt to force an artificial set of values based on some abstract notion of 'progress' (to what end?). I appreciate your perspective, but I really wonder if I would be happier and more fulfilled as a barbarian than a Roman. And yeah I realise the irony of typing this while sat inside on a computer.

>>18640273
Shit that's rough, man. The worst was during the relationship and for a few months after we split up. I just regret spending years of my youth with a woman who never gave a shit about me. I'm entering my late 20's and the dating pool is thin. I try not to be too cynical though.

>>18640307
>You're just signalling clan membership and identity
(You) are doing this, and what's worse you disguise that your motive is—no different than anyone else's—to have sex, by throwing up a bunch of qualifiers to generate, as if from a matrix, the ideal woman who is saving herself for you specifically. This is a pornographic fantasy because you are not actually participating of another person but creating a private scenario which excites you. If you think Christians aren't having the wrong kinds of sex, you are mistaken. The proscriptions against immoral or lewd behavior evince that it takes place anyway.

>>18640343
The problem is that I have more pulses to smash someones fucking head in for having smug facial features. I will be in a car, see a man with a shirt pattern I don't like and then have intrusive thoughts about what it would be like to stomp his fucking weak neck in as his mom watches the man she has raised get beat in a pulp because he wanted to look like a cast member of how I met your mother

The point is that being a Barbarian and returning to a society that gives into natural impulses can suck my dick. My natural impulses would leave be to absolute degeneracy and leaving women pregnant all of the place and probably getting my own head stomped in.

>Carnal desires are among the purest and most rewarding things we are capable of experiencing as humans.
In what sex? How is it rewarding for me to fuck some dumb slut? Have you ever got into a fight? Even when you win it isn't rewarding.

>
Carnal desires are among the purest and most rewarding things we are capable of experiencing as humans. It seems like you're almost ashamed of the very impulses that have been designed to give you pleasure
Yes I am, I'd be 300lbs or on heroin if I wasn't.

>than attempt to force an artificial set of values based on some abstract notion of 'progress' (to what end?)
To minimize pain and suffering? Or because you genuinely believe in religion? Or because you want your children to grow up in a world where if they are born with a gimp leg that they won't be thrown off the side of a cliff?

>I appreciate your perspective, but I really wonder if I would be happier and more fulfilled as a barbarian than a Roman.
Have you ever been punched in the face in your entire life

>>18640358
Look friend, that was response was awful. You accused him of telling OP to go after Christian girls as just a pornographic fantasy and then said how Christians aren't perfect. I pray you find religion my friend.

>>18640358
>you disguise that your motive is—no different than anyone else's—to have sex
I disguise nothing. Try again.
It's all about finding a healthy woman to form a family with.Not some weird masturbatory fantasy that you're reading into it.
>If you think Christians aren't having the wrong kinds of sex, you are mistaken
Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good. You're far more likely to find a woman who isn't a hedonistic psycho or a shrieking blue-haired harpy in a Church. You want to find a good woman to start a family with, go to a church.
>>18640336
This is why I stay away from Catholics and mainline churches.
>>18640322
We're just getting started hommie.

>>18639925
Who cares?
It's not like society isn't full of double standards. The only time you hear about them as bad are when they benefit straight white guys.
Women have tons of advantages in society, from special educational grants, to public housing, to a whole host of free shit and attention just for the fact they have a pussy.
Is any of that fair? Of course not, but I've never heard a single woman complain about it.
Is it fair that most women prefer a small section of men? It's not like "society" only consists of guys and their opinions after all, lots of women swoon over 'players' who go around fucking a ton of women. Is it fair that those women then chose to settle down with the kind of guy they wouldn't give a second thought to for a one night stand? Is it fair that women secretly resent those men for being desperate enough to settle for them?
So why the fuck should I marry your blown out slutty ass? To be fair? Life is unfair baby girl. It's better that it's unfair for you than that it's unfair for me.

>>18639979
>>thought it would be hot if I was ten years older than her
Just hit on the same type of girl now that you’re older. Not hard.

>>18639749
Name?

>>18640403
>>18640405
>Greetings fellow churchgoers, would you be interested in bearing my children?
Truly what Christ taught lmao

>>18640454
God literally commands mankind to be fruitful and multiply.

>>18639749
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHpJ0STOfWc

Nunca vai ser eu, OP.

>>18640454
>hey anon who values sexual history
>convert to Christianity
>then go to a place with people who share similar values

wow evil of that anon to say that

>>18640372
>How is it rewarding for me to fuck some dumb slut?
Because years and years of evolution have instilled reward mechanisms in your brain associated with having sex. You will also feel happier after doing exercise, or eating a good meal. I doubt you have internalised a sense of guilt for either of those.

>Have you ever got into a fight? Even when you win it isn't rewarding.
Precisely the opposite. Being in a real fight is exhilarating beyond belief. Even when you lose it feels fucking amazing. Obviously I would not want to lose a fight and get beaten up, but a world in which that is a very realistic threat is a better world than one in which I will never experience the highs and lows of being in a fight.

If I could choose now to put myself in danger, I would not because I am naturally programmed to avoid danger. Nevertheless, I believe that regardless of my personal actions, a world involving greater danger would be a better world to exist in. You get me?

>Yes I am, I'd be 300lbs or on heroin if I wasn't.
Your examples of overeating and taking heroin are the result of modern, artificial systems that appropriate our natural desires in harmful ways. They are the result of artificial human 'progress' clashing with our innate urges which have guided us correctly for so long. Rome was full of hedonists for the exact same reason.

Subjectively, I wish to minimise the pain of myself and those around me. Objectively, I do not think minimising pain makes life more meaningful or desirable. In fact, it causes 'suffering' on a much more abstract and spiritual level, by distancing people from their own natural inclinations

>>18640459
Kinda this, Christians usually marry ASAP to start having children.

>>18640459
How holy are you keeping his sabbath exactly by cruising the pews for unmarried women?

>>18640469
No, you just romanticize a ton of shit because it's contrarian and you spend a ton of time inside. This is delusional.

>Because years and years of evolution have instilled reward mechanisms in your brain associated with having sex. You will also feel happier after doing exercise, or eating a good meal. I doubt you have internalised a sense of guilt for either of those.
Because one is productive and the other ruins society by getting women who I don't care about pregnant and leaving them to fend for themselves. Don't respond with some dumb bullshit about how alpha fatherless kids become being because it's entirely anecdotal horse shit and we both know otherwise.

>Precisely the opposite. Being in a real fight is exhilarating beyond belief. Even when you lose it feels fucking amazing.
Not when the end is getting your fucking head stomped in. In your odd world you think it ends at just losing and us shaking hands. This isnt sparring at muy thai cardio class.
>but a world in which that is a very realistic threat is a better world than one in which I will never experience the highs and lows of being in a fight.
I don't think any person who has seen war would ever agree with what you just said.
>our examples of overeating and taking heroin are the result of modern, artificial systems that appropriate our natural desires in harmful ways.
Okay so acting on every sexual impulse I had would be equally as dangerous and just lead to tons of fatherless children.

>Subjectively, I wish to minimise the pain of myself and those around me. Objectively, I do not think minimising pain makes life more meaningful or desirable. In fact, it causes 'suffering' on a much more abstract and spiritual level, by distancing people from their own natural inclinations
Anime villain tier.
You think medical, lack of war and supportive societies is getting people away from their natural inclinations of beating, raping and over indulging?
So your ideal society is just barbarian shit and might is right? Why not move to Africa? Does that seem appealing?

>>18640463
Because that's not why people went to church. Marriages are a byproduct of a thriving community. Thriving communities usually have some sort of religion that brings people together to mark time and don't have people sitting around siloed from one another complaining that all community's women are whores. So the advice here is what, to ignore the whole thriving community aspect and just do the cargo cult ritualism? People in churches today are closer to grave than they are to having children. So go to church for your sexual reasons. You'll be bored of it sooner or later. With neither belief nor community it is just an empty exercise.

>>18639961
Based Big-breasted King.

>>18640514
>Marriages are a byproduct of a thriving community
I would say this is entirely wrong. The west has seen a rise in divorces yet we are thriving in most sense compared to other countries with less divorce rates.
>Thriving communities usually have some sort of religion that brings people together to mark time and don't have people sitting around siloed from one another complaining that all community's women are whores.
Again wrong. I'd say the biggest set of thriving communities would be found in Scandinavia and they are highly athiest. You are just making shit up and taking this personally by the sounds of it.
Also, the original comment you replied to started with "Become a Christian". He didn't say to lie for pussy yet you keep wanting to argue he did.
Your whole thriving community argument doesn't make any sort of sense. Plenty of thriving communities have women who sleep around.

You are incredibly disingenuous to argue with so I won't respond to you anymore.

>>18639749
The Quran.

>>18640126
no that will make you look autistic and tons of people with autism are smart. I mean dressing and talking like a street nigga but also having a math degree

>>18640498
>Because one is productive and the other ruins society by getting women who I don't care about pregnant and leaving them to fend for themselves.
Men who instinctively act as providers will take care of them, you see it happen all the time.

>This isnt sparring at muy thai cardio class.
Let me ask you, why do so many people take up martial arts, even when there is little to no chance of them needing those skills? Why are there so many video games and films and books created to simulate the experience of combat and danger? Is it possible that there's some sort of void to fill here? Something that we instinctively feel we are missing, yet are also programmed to avoid experiencing directly?

>I don't think any person who has seen war would ever agree with what you just said.
I know of some personally.

>Okay so acting on every sexual impulse I had would be equally as dangerous and just lead to tons of fatherless children.
Yes, being able to sift through women on Tinder in the way you can now is equally as harmful as overeating. Overabundance of this type would never exist in a natural state.

>Why not move to Africa? Does that seem appealing?
No, because I'm subjectively programmed to avoid danger and hardship, even if that would actually be a better experience for me. The same way I might be unable to bring myself to cut off my own arm, even if logically I knew it was poisoned and would result in my death. The survival instinct supersedes logic at every level.

I don't think supportive societies are unnatural at all, human bonding is one of the most beautiful things we can ever experience

>>18640578
Life isn't a red pill fantasy. Single mothers in this desolate society would die. Most people back in they died early. You are glorifying a world that has happened and ended with people dying often.

>Let me ask you, why do so many people take up martial arts, even when there is little to no chance of them needing those skills?
Because they like competition and it gives them security. This is easily replaced with sports or training and I don't think the "void" here requires us needing to be barbarians.
>I know of some personally.
I don't think you've been in a fight. I think you've boxed your friends. I think you do not lift weights and I think you're entirely full of shit about most this post and that it stems from a place of ignorance.
>Yes, being able to sift through women on Tinder in the way you can now is equally as harmful as overeating. Overabundance of this type would never exist in a natural state.
If you wanted a society to act on impulse, rape would be rampant.
>No, because I'm subjectively programmed to avoid danger and hardship,
Now it's the nature fallacy.

Alright done arguing for the night but look man, you sound like a young naive man. Don't glorify this shit, it's awful. I get the horrific ennui the west brings but there are better ways to solve it than just saying we should go snap some trees to make clubs for warfare and pillaging.

>>18640543
>I would say this is entirely wrong. The west has seen a rise in divorces yet we are thriving in most sense compared to other countries with less divorce rates.
If you took away the unprecedented immigration rates the whole west would just by dying towns full of baby boomers and a few young people crippled by tax burden and hooked on smack.

>>18639791
looks like the kid from Death in Venice movie

>>18640602
Thanks for your words, I will think on what you said. Goodnight anon

>>18639749
Unless she has done some seriously dirty things fairly recently, or has a history of infidelity, who cares?

>>18640624
Do you want to date a sweet and kind girl, or an entitled bitch with the attitude of a grizzled whore-monger?

>>18640637
Would you rather have a sweet and nice girl who fucked a lot when she was younger, or a stuck up conceited virgin who is a bitch?

>>18640543
Perhaps I need to clarify that a thriving community reproduces itself and doesn't send most of its young people off permanently for economic or social opportunities. You are probably descended from one such migration and were born somewhere with few non-immediate relatives in walking or reasonable driving distance, if you haven't already done the migration yourself removing yourself even further. So go invade a random church and hunt for girls. People get married in those don't they? As for Sweden, as a country it does not reproduce itself in fertility terms, and I would expect its most Christian communities are also its demographically eldest for that matter, making them worse off than the national average.
>>18640610
Ah someone who gets it. Indeed that is the case in vast swathes of the United States. I suspect Europe is a little better off due to stronger regionalism and mid-sized cities rather than having 3-4 enormous people-drains and increasingly poor suburbs until you hit the the remains of historic rural communities.

>tfw I wasted my youth on lust and was sluttier than any girl I fall for could ever be, let alone could forgive me for if she found out
It wasn't worth it
I think I burned out the part of my mind that forms loving relationships with people

>>18639777
Based.

>>18640658
Having known and slept with both, virgin girls aren't conceited bitches for the most part, and even the sweet and nice girls who have fucked around a lot have completely screwed up attitude towards men.
Since you're probably a w*man, let me put it this way: would you rather date a nice bookish guy who's sort of shy and old fashioned, or a compulsive whoremonger who's spent the last five years of his life exclusively sleeping with prostitutes and has no other frame of reference for sexual experiences?
Because that's what women who use tinder are like, they go online, scroll a catalogue of dicks, pick the best one, and don't talk to them again afterwards.

>>18639767
FPBP

>>18639925
It's human evolution

>>18639771
Based. Those thighs look so soft and delicious. Wouldnt mind being suffocated to death by them.

>>18639749
Jesus christ this thread, I've got something extremely relevant and possibly fucked up to share.

My current gf of 3 years confessed to me like a year and half into dating (I had known her for like a year before that), that she lost her virginity to her dad and used to have sex with him semi regularly but has stopped long ago, her family lives in another state and she moved out for college and work which is how I came to know her.

Yes, incest. Apparently it was consensual and shockingly, she didnt turn out to be a slut with daddy issues far as I could tell. Only had sex with 2 other exes before meeting me. I'll be honest, I told her as long as it was the past it didnt matter much but I've never stopped thinking about it since. Haven't had the balls to bring it up to her father, who actually seems like a well adjusted parent.

Is this... more common than I thought? Girls experimenting with their dads? Shit feels like the dogpill but even worse, I'm not sure if I can properly ignore it or if it's a dealbreaker for me ever since

>>18640900
That's not common at all desu
I can see that maybe girls get some weird feelings about their dads, like hoe guys do about their moms. But to act on them? Not healthy

>>18640900
She have any videos to share?

>>18639749
The rational male

>>18640900
What the fuck?
I mean, not that you fucked a literal daddy's girl, while it ain't common I'm sure it happens and remains below the radar...
But you met the man? Your girlfriend, after admitting to you that she fucked and sucked her father, invited you to meet him, and you said yes? You dated this woman knowing that eventually you'd have to meet him?
I honestly don't know who the fuck is more fucked in this story, the girl, the dad, or 9you), and my sexual history would have most /lit/ anon burn me at the stake.
Fucking hell. This world man, it fucks you up.

>>18641061
seconding this

>>18639982
Projection. By 30s women have double digit number of partners.

>>18641061
Why would anybody lie on the internet?

>>18639749
Kek haven't seen this thread in a while

>>18639851
>Women don’t dump a guy for no reason
You're overestimating their character. Women are fickle creatures who base their entire existence in seeking pleasure. After she's done with you, your girlfriend will unapologetically dump you and jump to one dick after the other just like your mom did before she lost her charm and settled with your dad.

>>18641126
Ohhh, that projection... Holy shit. This board is just full of all the sad fucks that are still butthurt that the one girl they asked out in middle school went "ew no"

>>18641126
>N-No you

>>18639771
spoken like a true fucking cuck
this is how these whores manage to get rewarded when they get bored of taking dick at 35.

>>18640200
I've only managed to date whore after whore, and they weren't even blatant whores. I lived out the "37 dicks" scene over and over and now I have no trust in people. I don't hate women but there's no way I can date one again. This also affected my self-esteem, this kind of free-for-all gaping hole is probably all I deserve to have. And now on top of that I've become too old to find anyone, all I have at this age is mentally ill single mom mega roasties who want to settle with a faggot like >>18639771

>>18640543
>Again wrong. I'd say the biggest set of thriving communities would be found in Scandinavia and they are highly athiest.
lmao le thriving community with high "quality of life" index but ultra high rates of suicide and chronic alcoholism

>>18639791
PSA eating pussy is gross and submissive. She bleeds out of that thing for god's sake. Of course, she will enjoy having you munch her box like she's Cleopatra and you're her peasant slave. But you will lose respect in her eyes for doing it. The more you hunger for her gash, the more repulsed by you she'll become. Regardless of how "dope your tongue game is" and how she says she loves it and cums all the time from it.
The Romans considered it more shameful than sucking dick. Think about that. The badass, based, masculine, warlike Romans would respect you more if they saw you sucking another man's cock than if they saw you eating your hot young wife's pussy. Similarly, all the characters in the Sopranos claimed any guy who ate pussy was basically a finook.
You can finger her while she sucks your cock. But don't eat pussy, bros.
t. Chad

>>18639888
I have fucked hundreds of women... as long as she has a good head on her shoulders and doesn't use sex as a means of income or control over others... she's probably a decent gal.

Tons of women have low body counts, while a small percentage have fucked like 500+ guys.

>>18639925
A key that can open many locks is called a master key

A lock that can be opened by many keys is a poor lock

>>18641380
>The Romans considered it more shameful than sucking dick.
I'd rather not follow Roman guidelines about what's worse than sucking dick

>>18641380
Gay and cringe.

>>18641222
i THINK you replied to the WRONG post

>>18641418
>cringe frog poster
>calling someone else cringe
Watch where you put your peepee.

>>18639938
God gave her to me when I went crazy. I called her after I left a psychiatric hospital because a voice in my head told me too and she said yes.

>>18641418
>>18641392
Kick the habit, boys. I'm telling you this as a mentor and friend.

>>18641462
I'm telling you as your senior and superior that you know nothing

>>18641465
Sounds like someone is in crisis mode after finally realizing his fanatical tongue-worship of his girl's box has led her to lose respect for him. Never fear, friendo. Just distance yourself from that wretched chasm. Over time, you'll start to view it as a man should: a hole for your penis, near which your face should never venture.

>>18641481
if that's how you cope, then sure

I don't think body count is a great indicator

I mean what if she's a virgin but was talking to thousand boys?

>>18641491
>no u

>>18639749

I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT MY BAD REPUTATION

>>18639925
A man that sleeps with many women is still a man whore and somewhat frowned upon despite what your movies tell you but it needs a certain skill that we recognize this man has.
A woman sleeping with a lot of men must be the easiest shit in the world. Any woman in the world can literally just shout from her balcony that she wants dick and within 5 minutes there will be a line forming