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If you write on more word,
it'll be the furthest into this story you've ever been

Previous: >>18617386

For Prose:
>The Art of Fiction
>Story Genius: How to Use Brain Science to Go Beyond Outlining and Write a Riveting Novel (Before You Waste Three Years Writing 327 Pages That Go Nowhere)
>On Becoming A Novelist
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft
>How Fiction Works
>The Rhetoric of Fiction
>Steering the Craft
>On Writing, Borges

For Poetry:
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry
>This Craft of Verse, Borges

Related Material:
>What Editors Do
>A Student's Introduction to English Grammar
>Garner's Modern English Usage

Suggested books on storytelling:
>The Weekend Novelist
>Aristotle's Poetics
>Hero With a Thousand Faces
>Romance the Beat

Suggested books on getting your fucking work done you lazy piece of shit:
>Deep Work
>Atomic Habits

Traditional publishing
> Formatting manuscript
https://blog.reedsy.com/manuscript-format/
> Write a query
https://www.janefriedman.com/query-letters/
> Track your query
https://querytracker.net/

Other Resources
>General grammar/syntax/editing help
https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/purdue_owl.html
> When/where/how should I write?
https://jamesclear.com/daily-routines-writers
> What software should I write with?
https://self-publishingschool.com/book-writing-software-best/
> Amazon Publishing to make that KDP monie
https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G200635650
> Be like Charles Dickens and write serially
https://www.royalroad.com/
> Basic overview of the Screenplay format
https://screenwriting.info/

>> No.18632918
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18632918

>really want to play a game you haven't played in a while
>haven't written anything today, just was at work and read a book
>tell yourself you have to write at least 500 words to turn on the game
i have to do it every day bros
i have to or i won't make it

>> No.18632930

>>18632918
You chose job and games, it's over

>> No.18632998

>>18632738
>If you write one more word, it'll be the furthest into this story you've ever been
I know it's a meme but that's actually really inspirational

>> No.18633010

>>18632998
Makes me want to write unironically

>> No.18633046
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>>18632738
I am a virgin, a law student, and a fairly well known and liked member of my community. In a few weeks time, I will marry a sweet, kind, pretty girl who loves me. By all accounts, my life in the coming decades will be good, full of love, and a life many would kill to have. Still, I am struggling hard to convince myself not to an hero. Please recommend me /lit/ that helps one appreciate life, rather than seeing it as a painful and annoying burden. I have held my shit together for a long time, but I'm losing my grip, bros.

>> No.18633065

Anyone ever have to abandon another creative pursuit to focus on your writing?

>> No.18633133
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>>18633046
you should read some Nietzsche, anon. not even meming. it will restore your strength. embrace your creative will.

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18633185

Not to keep spamming this, but I'd really like to know what you bros think of my spec script. it was inspired by the show Mad Men:

https://pdfhost.io/v/ORDNcQcRa_Mad_Money_Pilot.pdf

>> No.18633266

>>18633133
Nietzche hated the nazis

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18633282

>about to ask about this rule for OE poetry that I just can't seem to understand
>decide to ask /wg/ for help
>while looking at it again about to post this it suddenly clicked
thanks /wg/ lmao

>> No.18633286

>>18633266
anon, the nazi's didn't exist until decades after Neitzsche died

>> No.18633332
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>>18633266
Nietzsche "hated" anti-semites, but it was more a creative reaction against Wagner, who was a known/prolific anti-semite. He only harps against them to escape from Wagners shadow, understanding that Jews are responsible for sowing the seeds for a greater slave morality out of their own.

>> No.18633339

>>18633133
where do i start? which book and which translation?

>> No.18633351

Poem I’m trying to get published

The Search

I’ve been walking around cities more, connecting
with people and learning my needs.

The azalea of your voice no longer swathes my forehead.

I long for careless glances in a park with tangerines,
no shifty love games or deserted nights.

I tiptoed from a cave where mayflies hatched
and rubies made stars in the crevices,
to look for the origin of my name.

The map is disappearing from my soles.

>> No.18633356

>>18633046
>I am a virgin
>I will marry
Some kind of a medical anomaly

>> No.18633368

>>18633351
Now it is MY poem and I will send it to my agent.

>> No.18633377

>>18633356
Sex before marriage is evil, anon

>> No.18633381

>thinking of writing a cute, light-hearted story
>would involve girls liking mc, him helping people, and some other TBD stuff
>keep thinking how impossible it is and how someone is going to betray the MC
fvck bros I think I may only be able to write depressing shit

>> No.18633507

>>18633381
same lmao

>> No.18633592

>>18633282
link to resource

>> No.18633598
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18633598

>still editing

>> No.18633601

>>18633598
Nobody cares you fucking fag.

>> No.18633609

>>18633601
I care

>>18633598
What's you editing process like anon

>> No.18633662

>>18633592
https://www.alarichall.org.uk/teaching/alliteration/OE/oe_metre_guide.pdf

>> No.18633664

>>18633609
edit as well as possible then let the manuscript sit for a while. then go back with a cringe detector and get all the weak, bad writing out. replace bad sections with good sections, fix it up both in terms of scenes/chapters and prose level. basically just obsessively polishing while holding yourself to the standard of whatever writer you want to be at the level of.

if you're good at it you can turn a weak section into one of your best. and all the time hold in your mind the overall themes and character development arcs, making sure everything contributes towards that flow. that's kind of hard to explain. it's kind of like the story on top is one layer and the meaning of everything is a layer hidden underneath. everything has to be in harmony.

>> No.18633674

>>18633662
thanks breh
I skimmed the poetry books in the OP and they're hot trash, excluding borges but I still didn't really get it

>> No.18633693

>>18633674
yeah I haven't been very impressed by the poetry books in the OP either. Haven't tried Borges yet, but The Poetry Home Repair Manual didn't really help my curiousity

>> No.18633714

>>18633351
Thank you, now this is my poem.

>> No.18633733

>>18633377
>Sex before marriage is evil, anon
Oh no the spaghetti monster in the sky will be mad.

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>>18632738
Can someone please post the list of 300+ journals that can be submitted to? Written by a university lady. Tiered in terms of the prestige.

>> No.18633836

>>18633377
this is a good take as long as you know your wife won't be a virgin

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18633848

Feels good living in eastern Europe.
>nobody cares about agents, you send shit to random publishers
>everyone sucks, if you read and are not retarded you will get published anyway
>60% novels are fantasy, 25% detective shit, 10% romance, 5% the rest
It's all so easy bros.

>> No.18633890

>>18632918
Write on your break times. It's actually pretty chill. Since most of the working day is spent in fantasy, quickly jotting down any ideas you come to during the day. I would say a good 30% of my writing gets done while I'm either at work, or lifting.
>>18633368
>>18633714
Kek

>> No.18633907

>>18633848
kek it is much the same in Aus except everything is mandated by its funding to centre on female voices, refugees, or Aboriginal. I get: "This is a great story, but it's not for us. Best of luck!" I want to start my own like the guy who did lit mag but I would literally have no idea how.

>> No.18634011

>>18633848
>tfw american
>tfw no one wants you unless you're a queer brown translesbian otherkin with a MFA and a 100k follower twitter handle into leftist political activism
Just fuck me.

>> No.18634122

>>18633339
people will tell you not to start with zarathustra, but it's filled with such beautiful language and images and makes you feel so powerful that i'd recommend you start with that (the kaufman translation). you might not understand everything that's going on or being said (and idk how much phil. knowledge you have), but it's one of those books that you can always return to at different points in your life and find something new or interesting about.

>> No.18634391

>>18633185
Before even reading it, change the title. Mad Money is too close to Mad Men and it also sounds like some shiity gameshow

>> No.18634464

>>18633185
Almost stereotypical of what a 40-year-old, balding man working at a boring desk job would write.

>> No.18634498

>>18633185
Comma splice in the first paragraph. Feel free to throw it in the bin.

>> No.18634514

>>18633351
Garbage. Learn to rhyme, at the very least, if you're going for such a basic theme and cringe symbols.

>> No.18634519

I am the class intellectual.

>> No.18634538

>>18633185
I read through the entire thing... I feel as though Richard is an extreme psychopathic character, I mean, he doesn't seem to have any redeemable qualities? Did you intend for him to be amoral and diabolical?

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18634541

Finishing up a short Southern Gothic piece. Can you picture this scene well enough? Is the language in keeping?

>> No.18634543

In the dim light of the houseboat, a quiet beep stirred a sleeping Ken.

Across from his bunk, his computer screen just turns on and focuses on the park. In the greyscale nightvision video shot, he could see a dashing four-legged figure sprinting across a field in Stanley Park.

Sitting out of bed, his feet felt the cold floor and the draft against his bare legs while walking to the computer and sitting. Flicking on a second computer screen, a heat-camera display turned on.

There, in the dark of the seawall, rode a couple out for a late night cruise. The lightning-quick coyote dashed towards them from the darkness, leaping at the last minute, and tackling a rider from their bike.

Rubbing his eyes, Ken feels helpless as he watches the rather large feral beast menace towards the second rider, they dismounting from their bicycle and holding it up as a shield. The coyote circles back and bites the tackled rider again on the leg, the man spastically quivers on the ground.

Reaching into a drawer, Ken sorts through a number of USB drives, pulling them out one-by-one. Holding each mask-taped label up in the low amber light cast through his front windows, he finds the one labelled "yotes" and plugs it in.

Back on the screen, he watches another even bigger coyote running towards the bicycle couple on the seawall. Both riders have dropped their bicycles and are running while the coyotes nip at their heels. On the heat camera, Ken watches as a couple of arms, then a head, and a full body seemingly appear right out of the ground. And now another.

The coyotes dash back towards the two bicycles and meet up with the two slender figures. One tosses something to both yotes, the other picking up both bicycles, mounting one, and towing the other with its free hand.

Waving, the second figure starts to run back to the patch of grass it appeared from. Bending over, it lifts up the ground, and the two coyotes jump down into the ground and disappear.

"You've got to be kidding," Ken whispers to himself.

The skinny figure on the heatvision screen sits down first, their legs first disppearing into the ground. Ducking down, the figure is gone save for their arm reaching up and pulling down what must be a trap door.

Pulling up a well-decorated map of Stanley Park, Ken marks down another X on it.

Ken sighs, looking around his little desk for a pack of smokes, an old coffee, anything. It was covered in newspaper clippings, bills, and notes. One caught his eye.

Where have all the geese gone?

>> No.18634558

>>18634541
i dont know wtf a bull bay is but other than that ya I could picture it. can I take a guess and say you like Hemingway lol? I don't mean that it a negative way

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18634567

>>18634558
Haha, it's a magnolia tree basically. Hemingway is alright but I don't try to emulate him, do you say that because the sentences are clipped? Pic rel is the following paragraph, there are plenty of longer sections too. I mix up the sentence length to try and reflect the mood.

>> No.18634571

>>18634567
It's clear and has a good flow!

>> No.18634577

>>18634571
Thanks! I should have the piece finished up tomorrow, then I'll sent it off to journals later this week.

>> No.18634583

>>18634541
>>18634567

Utter kino. The difference in quality compared to what is usually posted here is enormous. IMO you should delete those images so hacks don't steal the odd turn of phrase (although if you're submitting in the next few days it's probably too late for them)

>> No.18634586

>>18634567
the indirect speech made me think of Hemingway. I know he didn't invent that but he uses it a lot. anyways I like what you have and I enjoy southern gothic shit so do post when you have a final version -- I'd read it.

>> No.18634593

>>18634583
Good call. Better safe than sorry.

>>18634586
I'd love to have your feedback and generally tip beta readers. If you're interested message me on R*ddit, username Ovid738

>> No.18634624

>>18634583
Wish I got here earlier so I could read it lol

>> No.18634665

>>18634624
it was cringe and gay anyway

>> No.18634668

>>18634624
It was just a well-structured inner monologue

>> No.18634669

>>18634624
Warosu

>> No.18634683

>>18634668
Literally every piece of writing in these threads is shit so even something beating a vague semblance of structure would have been refreshing

>> No.18634688
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18634688

>Writing about a character that suffers with chronic pain and can't go outside.
>Write about him being on his computer.
>Don't know what to write about.
>Have character visit 4chan.
>Next couple of chapters is just mania and rage over shit threads.
Which board should I use /wg/?

>> No.18634690

>>18634688
We don't care.

>> No.18634693

>>18634683
Hahaha... well... I'm going to continue to write and tell stories, want me to send you a paperback copy for review?

>> No.18634700

>>18634688
Checked.

>> No.18634712
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18634712

>>18634624
Just the same trite bullshit pseuds fellatio each other.

>> No.18634715
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18634715

>>18634712
Second part

>> No.18634742

>>18634688
I'd say /ck/. It's been almost entirely meme threads for the past few years.

>> No.18634747

>>18634712
Can this board go more than a couple posts without an insult?

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>>18632738
I'm always going to be grateful to Tolkien for getting me into books as a lifestyle, and I'll always have a place in my heart for Hobbits. Sam is amazing, and LOTR in general always makes my heart warm.

>> No.18634850
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18634850

I enjoy worldbuilding, creating plots and even writting down some the lore and short stories. It's a hobby I kinda want to delve more into but the problem is that I actually don't like reading at all. I used to enjoy reading but somewhere along the way that part of my brain broke or something and now I can't really read anything without getting immediately bored or extremely sleepy (books that is). Everywhere I look it says I need to read a lot, and saying I like to write when I don't even like to read makes me feel like some kind of poser. Last thing I managed to read to completion was some Lovecraft but even then I found it difficult to get trough the parts where he goes on long descriptions of the place. How do I deal with this tier of autistic cognitive dissonance bros?

>> No.18634851

>>18634850
By going here >>18626427

>> No.18634884

>>18634851
Oh ok sorry I thought this was the right thread for my post.

>> No.18634901

>>18634712
>>18634715
I wouldn't read it but that's actually pretty decent.

>> No.18634911

>>18632738
>samposting outlives anime threads

incredibly based

>> No.18634912

>>18634901
This is like just doing donuts after you've won the race... it's a little bit too flowery for me.

>> No.18634913

Poem I wrote while in Cape Cod. I threw up then immediately wrote this.

Evening fell swiftly on the harbour
And the sailors put in for the day;
While I lay flat in my boat,
Watching many a red gold ray

When from the cold sea came
A deep and mournful sound.
A diving cry of grief and pain,
Coming from all around.

Over the cracked edge I leaned
And listened with deep intent,
But the sound came no more
Into the depths it went.

>>18633351
Don't listen to >>18634514, this is great.

>> No.18634923

>>18634912
you dont know what flowery means. personally i just can't stand americana and dialect crap but tons of agents drool over that southern bell shit.
>>18634913
>lovecraft writes a poem

>> No.18634926

>>18634923
>flowery
>full of elaborate or literary words and phrases
Those two excerpts are flowery as fuck.

>> No.18634941

>>18634926
>anything that isn't barren machinery is flowery

>> No.18634944

>>18634941
>being this much of a retard
Just when I think /wg/ can't be more retarded.

>> No.18635155

>>18634944
sorry you read nothing but coomerist elf fantasy

>> No.18635317

>>18633351
>The azalea of your voice no longer swathes my forehead.
I really, really hate this.

>> No.18635321

>>18635155
>projecting
I expect nothing less from a dying general.

>> No.18635331

>>18634712
>the same trite bullshit pseuds fellatio each other
This sentence hurts my head. It's one of the most graceless, inept collection of words I've read in a while. Before you call anyone a pseud, it would really fucking behoove you to learn how to construct coherent sentences in English. It would help your case a lot.

>> No.18635350

>>18635331
This is actually the most bullshit, self-fellating, hot garbage I've read since my college writing courses I was forced to take my first year.

better you idiot?

>> No.18635357

>>18635350
Why are you wasting your time being mean to someone on a book and writing forum?

>> No.18635380

The blood transfusion cured the little boy. He was saved from death or worse, an eternity of being Nosferatu. No longer did Thomas look like a corpse. His cheeks were ruddy, and his breaths were deep. When he opened his eyes, the first thing he saw was his attentive mother watching over him.

“Oh! Hi, Mum!” said Thomas. “Who are these people?”

“Oh, Thomas! You’re well again,” said Mrs. Okocha with tears in her eyes.

“Hello there, Thomas. I am Dr. Abrafo Van Hassain. I’m your physician. Do you know why I’m here?”

“Yes, I think so,” replied Thomas. “It’s because of the bite on my neck, isn’t it?”

“Do you know what bit you?”

“It wasn’t a what. It was a who – a woman.”

“What did she look like?”

“I don’t remember exactly, but she was very beautiful, and very pale, like a ghost, and she had an Afro. She wore a white dress and it had round, puffy sleeves.”

“Oh no!” thought Moesha. “We buried Lupita in a dress exactly like that!”.

“Did you see where she went?” asked Van Hassain.

“No, I didn’t. After she bit me, I passed out.”

The child sighed and fidgeted.

“Mum, can I go please outside and play with my hoop now?”

He threw off his covers and got out of bed. Thomas’s mother watched her now healthy son bound out of the room. What a miraculous change! Less than an hour ago, her son was almost like the dead.

“Oh, thank you, Dr. Van Hassain! You’re a saint! A saint! Thank you. I am eternally indebted to you.”

“You’re welcome, Mrs. Okocha,” said Van Hassain. “My assistant will now write you a bill.”

>> No.18635430

>>18635350
I hope you find happiness.

>> No.18635443

>>18635430
Already am happy.

>> No.18635453

Plotfags are architects and engineers, prosefags are just the construction workers

>> No.18635462

>>18635453
More like decorators

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>>18635453
Brilliant.

>> No.18635480

>>18635453
So close. Prosefags are the architects, plotfags are the engineers
Prose makes the experience, plot makes it work

>> No.18635487

>>18635453
>>18635480
What the hell is a "prosefag" now? I don't care much for prose and I only sometimes plot, what does that make me?

>> No.18635488

>>18635453
Plot is at once the easiest and least relevant aspect of a story

>> No.18635491

>>18635487
Part way to being a writer

>> No.18635492

>>18635487
>What the hell is a "prosefag" now?
The new animefags. Now that the Animefags have been exterminated, pseuds needs a new Bogeyman as to why they don't write.

>> No.18635493

>>18635487
What the fuck do you write then, only poetry and dialogue are left, all the others are subcategories or subversions of those

>> No.18635496

>>18635491
>>18635493
I've written like 300k works on just one fiction...

>> No.18635497

>>18635492
too much /wg/, you're getting brainrot

>> No.18635511

>>18635453
A little too loose. Construction workers have pretty much no say in the design of the building. They ironically just construct a thing according to specifications, using the materials they have been told to use. Probably more accurate to say that plotfags are to architecture as prosefags are to sculpture.

>> No.18635519

>>18635480
Plots transcend media, they can be the backbone of books, movies, games, TV shows, ads, comics, oral epics etc, but the prose is stuck as the building blocks of a specific plot and cannot be isolated from it. The same way an architectural design can be used for a real building, a model, a drawing for a cartoon, a game location etc but its bricks, once put together, are stuck being bricks for that specific building and nothing else, you have to take them apart and rearrange them to use them for anything else.

>> No.18635578

>>18632918

Dude don't make it a chore, make it something you enjoy and can be proud of.

>> No.18635630

>>18635317

I also hate this but yeah don't do this guys. I mean i know using complicated words looks appealing cause many of the great works use them and you want to presume your extensive vocabulary. But understand that much of this writing was done in a time when these guys did not expect their work to be read by the masses. they very much likely just expected their to be read by the educated sector of the population that was acquainted with such expressions. I mean come on poetry is an art not a way to show how big of a nerd you are.

>> No.18635644

>>18635453

So what, i prefer an entertaining and moving plot easy to read, with not ultracomplicated vocabulary that a over complicated trama with a prose written intentionally to be difficult to follow. You fucking nerds ruin everything

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>>18633733

>> No.18635703

>>18635630
I hate it for a different reason. It's got that vague obtusity you see a lot in amateur writing, where the words used don't justify their own use. That line in particular is egregious in that it evokes no particular imagery and actively detriments the flow and rhythm. I just woke up so I'm probably not expressing myself well. The way I read it:
>the flower of your voice no longer wraps my forehead
This is setting aside completely the (nonexistent) flow, but this doesn't even make sense. I'm not saying everything should make sense necessarily, but I do think that when something doesn't make sense it should do so in a broad, infinite way. It should have a non-meaning that unfolds and unfolds and never reaches the center. My biggest problem is that there is no depth to the nonsense here. It's a short, finite nonsense – the worst kind. You can look at it and in a matter of seconds intuitively know that it leads no further. You unfold it once or twice and find a crude drawing of the author's penis.

>> No.18635840

what's the most jewish possible weapon a golem could use without it looking stupid

>> No.18635896

>>18635703
I think if that one image got you to write several, albeit bitter, paragraphs it’s worth taking as a plus for the writing. Same goes for >>18635630. Although ironically, I do try to write using simple language, so I’m surprised it’d be interpreted as being a higher register. “Azalea” is a commonly known flower, and “swathe” isn’t an unusual word in my experience. Everything else is pretty accessible linguistically, at least that’s what I thought.

But I know, to >>18635703’s point, the images are composed in a way that seems disjointed. They’re written as meditations in a sort of wandering state, but I’m not sure how well I’ve conveyed that. I had the impression of journal entries in mind as I wrote. Reflections during the process of self-discovery. The stanzas are linked by undercurrents of thought rather than denotation, but if that’s unclear maybe it needs revision. I’m asking around a few places though and feedback is varied. Thanks all ofc.

>> No.18635908

>>18633046
>who loves me
lol doubt.

>> No.18635930

>>18635840
A nickel. I mean a shekel.

>> No.18635942

>>18635840
A sling.

>> No.18636069

>>18635453
That's all I wanna be mate

>> No.18636082

>>18634712
>>18634715
Imagine being this salty over good writing. The crab bucket mentality here is incredible. There is nothing remotely flowery here. This writing is excellent. I beg you to post your own, you spiteful, vindictive, asinine, tasteless, sad individual. Until you start recognising talent and quality in others you will remain bitter and will never be successful in your own writing. This is one thing I can't stand in these generals and what truly prevents them from taking off, is posters like you shitting on the rare gems that surface and using 'flowery' and 'pseud' as labels for anything that doesn't match your own stilted, boring, lifeless prose.

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>>18634712
>>18634715
>anon decides to delete his work out of privacy
>be so much of a spiteful cunt that you trawl the archive, save the posts, and repost them here

I guarantee that A. Nobody likes you irl and 2. That writing is better than anything you've produced, like shit I would read a whole novel of that quality. Flowery my ass, I understood every word.

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>>18634712
>>18634715
I haven't posted here in months but I this is good enough I feel I have to step in here. Anon, if you're still around, don't pay any attention to one guy crapping all over your work. It's almost definitely pure jealousy on his part. I am unironically published (one novel traditionally published, and 8 short stories in various decent journals). You said you were almost ready to submit this one to journals yourself which suggests you're published/savvy enough to know not to care about a literal who on 4chan, but just in case.

In the future I strongly recommend you refrain from posting, though, because the same crabs will still dominate these threads and look to tear down anything they're threatened by. Best of luck - I hit you up on reddit to read the rest.

>> No.18636113

>>18635453
Then there's themefags who are like plumbers. You don't really see their work but if it isn't there you're in deep shit

>> No.18636121

>>18635350
>Anon posts his work
>Couple people (myself included) enjoy it
>Anon deletes his posts
>...
>Spiteful anon goes to 4chan archive
>Locates the thread and posts within
>Saves them
>Posts them both individually back in the live thread
>Viciously insults them (the only person so far ITT to do so)

Who hurt you? How mad can you get? Post your own writing I beg you

>> No.18636125

I want to write a story about a transgender woman who lives in sparta, any tips?
Trying to collect sources so I know what to write but a part of me wonders why bother?
Nobody will call me out on specific things

>> No.18636126

>>18636125
Sorry by sources I mean historical evidence

>> No.18636213

I've recently stopped setting myself daily writing goals (e.g. 1000 words a day) and instead set weekly writing goals - it is up to me how I divvy up those words over the week, so long as I get them done by the end of the week. Currently, my goal is 5000 a week, and I find this system much better, because it allows for some flexibility. E.g. some days you either don't have time to write, or you just can't summon yourself to hit that word count.

If I get to the end of the week and I've written zero words, then tough luck, I'm forcing 5000 out no matter how shit they are. But the desire to avoid this means that I've been pretty good at hitting the smaller targets throughout the week. Recommend this system if anybody is struggling with self-discipline.

>> No.18636221

>>18636093
How is it trawling? It's on the front page of warosu

>> No.18636233

Seems like a lot of samefagging going on in this thread. The work in question is hardly flowery. It's pretty good. But it's not god's gift to writing.

>> No.18636235

Thoughts on this poem I wrote

Skeletons

There's a gaping hole in the way we are
With nothing to fill it up anymore
No flesh, no blood, just broken bone
A frame to hang our lives from
We're living like skeletons

Won't someone wake the dead in me?
Won't someone shake the dust off me?
Give me water, give me bread
But don't give me up for dead
We're living like skeletons

>> No.18636240

Just finished the story planning for my first real short story and it fucking sucks. But I guess I'll write it anyway for practice.

>> No.18636275

>>18636233
I think it's less samefagging than that anon acted in a particularly unlikeable manner. You have to be a genuine asshole irl. As you say, the writing itself ks OK but, like everything posted here, could be shit within the context of the full story

>> No.18636276

>>18636240
>But I guess I'll write
Yes you dumb fucked that's what it's all about you will never learn until you explore and fail

>> No.18636460

>>18632738
Daylight, Steve thought. The colour inside his eyelids had changed from black to a bright red. Time to get up soon.
And with it came the realisation - that it was just a dream. Her eager smile. A cute giggle. He could still smell her perfume. Fuck, he thought. Just moments ago she had been in his arms.
Scenes flashed through his mind. Paris, Tokyo, Rome. The beach, a bar, a hotel. A life worth living, he concluded. It's such a strange feeling, he thought to himself. Waking up like this. It's like if you were to have dinner with someone very dear to you - a parent, or a close friend - and after it's conclusion, to suddenly be told that that person did not, in fact, exist.
It's precisely like that, he thought, because that's what it is.
A sudden wave of sadness washed over him. He tried to recall her name. Emi? Adri? Something like that - he couldn't remember. Still, he thought, it doesn't matter. I know her, even if I don't know her name.
He began replaying the images of her over and over in his mind, like you would with the last recording of a family member. I'm so helpless, he thought. I'm going to have to get out of bed soon. And when that happens, it's going to leave me, and it will be as if she never existed at all.
What a responsibility, Steven thought. To be the only person keeping the torch aflame. The last bearer of a person's legacy. He was reluctant to move, even though his alarm clock had started ringing. All his mind was concentrating on sustaining this image of her. He was afraid that if his mind's eye turned away even for a moment, she would be gone like sand slipping through his fingers.
But it was as if each shriek from the alarm clock was another nail in her coffin. The sound became overpowering. He closed his eyes - he couldn't remember her face! It was only a blur, a vague outline like the beginning of an artist's sketch. I love you, he thought. Whoever you are.
Finally, slowly, he got up. He turned the alarm clock off.
_____


The razor easily slipped over his skin. Steven looked at himself in the mirror, his face covered in white shaving foam. Something's bothering me, he thought. He rinsed the razor under the running tap. He furrowed his brow. Did I forget something? No - I completed the invoice. And I'm grabbing lunch with that dickhead Bob Runciter at noon. It's not that either. I can't quite put my finger on it.
Steven stood still for a second, trying to recall what it was. It was something - something important, surely. He let his hand hang to the side, his face half shaved. God, he thought. Suddenly, there was a pounding on the bathroom door. His roommate telling him to hurry up. He shook his head - I can't remember. Whatever. If it was so important I wouldn't forget it.
He finished shaving.

>> No.18636475

>>18636235

cringe

>> No.18636498

>>18636235
not cringe

>> No.18636711

sent this in yesterday, is a book i was writing during lockdown. was wondering if anyone thinks this is salvageable or if i should delete it for good.

>> No.18636712

>>18636711
forgot to include link
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l44Hag3fJmA_-a7YHQSkiaZfLhZZtKtD7wTstCgB__s/edit?usp=sharing

>> No.18636838

https://pastebin.com/7r9vMQeb

Do your worst, /wg/.

>> No.18637001

>Revelating is not a word in the English dictionary and is considered obsolete
Ridiculous. However, the English language is mine to command, and I will be using it in my book.

>> No.18637028

>>18637001
How you are going to to use it? I prefer the word revelatory.

>> No.18637053

>>18637028
This is the specific sentence:
"The scholar projected an aura of pomposity that made the others balk, as though his words were such a revelation that they would forever change his field."
But I think this sounds better:
"The scholar projected an aura of pomposity that made the others balk, as though his words were so revelating that they would forever change his field."
I don't see why one is any less valid than the other. After all, we get the choice between writing "x was an inspiration" and "x was inspiring", so why is it that not the case here?

>> No.18637084

>>18637053
It sounds better to me, anon. The second sentence is slightly more concise, and while using revelation isn't exactly cliche, it's "tired" in comparison to your new word. Be a modern Shakespeare and make your own words up! Aren't most of the celebrated meme books on /lit/ full of those? As long as the word's etymology is cleanly derived, or there is contextual definition around it, you should be good to go.

>> No.18637094

Anyone collected poems or stories from actual literary magazine publications for self published collections? Is that allowed?

>> No.18637146

>>18636498
>>18636475
another one I wrote

In the darkest times
Darkest fears are heard
And from the safest places
Come the bravest words
Some make a quiet life
To keep this scared old world at bay
The dogs are howling on the street outside
So they close the curtains, hope they go away

And it's pressure from all sides
Coming down around our ears
Stuck in this room without a door
Scratched away at the walls for years
All we've got to show is the dust on the floor
And here it comes, a new dark age

I catch your eyes
Before they fall to the ground
We're running out of time, breath and steam
We're running down
They're burning witches
Up on punishment hill
Dying proof in the power of autority
To exact it's will

In the darkest times
Darkest fears are heard
And from the safest places
Come the bravest words

And it's pressure from all sides
Coming down around our ears
Stuck in this room without a door
Scratched away at the walls for years
All we've got to show is the dust on the floor

And we've broken our fingers
Broken our faith
Broken our hearts so many times
They can't be broken anymore
Scratched away at the walls for years
All we've got to show is the dust on the floor
And here it comes, a new dark age
Here it comes....

>> No.18637194

How do you improve at writing?

>> No.18637198

>>18637194
I don't know man

>> No.18637200

>>18637194
Reading.

>> No.18637203

>>18637194
Write descriptions of things you see during the day without using adjectives or adverbs.

>> No.18637210

>>18637194
you write and you write and you write and write and try to pull from influences you like and create something you like

>> No.18637321

>>18637203
This except use adjectives and adverbs. Nobody actually wants to read sparse as fuck prose or everyone would read newspapers and academic reports

>> No.18637370

>>18637321
Adverbs make things unreadable, only anime writers uses them.

>> No.18637464

>>18637370
As do Henry James, Tolstoy, Chekhov, Flaubert, Conrad, Eliot, Proust, Faulkner, Joyce, Woolf, Nabokov, and literally any competent writer of literary fiction who's lived in the last 50 years (Ishiguro, McCarthy, Houllebecq, Marias, Sebald, Rushdie, etc, etc).

Notice that not one of the people spouting 'kill adverbs' in their how-to-write-a-bestselling-novel regurgitated cookie-cutter manuals has actually had any real success as an author, with the exception of Stephen King, who says to kill adverbs yet uses them prolifically in every one of his novels. Dont buy into the meme

>> No.18637660

>>18637464
>He said calmly.

>> No.18637764

>>18637660
DIDJAPUTCHERNAMEINDAGOBLETTAFARHARRY

>> No.18637858

>>18634712
>>18634715
today on why you should only post exercises
even if some anons are nice 4ch is 4ch and most people are borderline insane
nice writing, it reads well. I dislike it personally. it evokes frontier America without quite being as unpleasant to read as the literature of the time
personal taste aside, it's competant. too outside my realm of reading to tell if it's good but it certainly doesn't reek of amateur
gl anon. I replied late but I hope you got your submission accepted

>> No.18637942

what's the difference between kino and cringe writing?

>> No.18637947

>>18637942
the one you like is kino, the one you don't is cringe

>> No.18638038
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>>18637942
>>18637947
Case in point

>>18637858
>>18636233
>>18636121
>>18636112
>>18636093
>>18635350
>>18634901
>>18634668
>>18634665
>>18634586
>>18634583
>>18634571

Colossal polarisation from one tidbit of writing. Every piece of technically sound writing will have this effect. You have people who genuinely hate Joyce and Proust and think they're shit, but love writers like Palahniuk and Bukowski. Other writers hate Palahniuk and Bukowski and think literary stuff is better. There are even some people (see: Tolstoy) who thought Shakespeare was objectively shit. Case in point, you do you and if you do it well enough you'll have fans and you'll have detractors. Like in that drumming movie Whiplash, the guys who make it are the ones who will literally never stop honing their craft even to the point of death and constant failure/rejection.

(fwiw I though anon's story was great writing and even I feel a bit salty and my first instinct is to trash it. It hurts and upsets me to see other people producing better writing that I can right now. But I think the wealthy, wholesome thing is to resist that feeling and instead identify what I admire and how to do that in my own work).

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>>18638038
Great post brother. So much hate on /Lit/ for anyone who even tries.

>> No.18638074

>>18638046
Crab and bucket, fox and grapes. I hate it too, jealousy poisons the whole thread. I console myself with the knowledge that those kinds of spiteful people almost certainly lack the humility and objectivity that would help them write good stuff.

>> No.18638082

>>18638038
>It hurts and upsets me to see other people producing better writing that I can right now. But I think the healthy, wholesome thing is to resist that feeling and instead identify what I admire and how to do that in my own work

I aspire to this level of self-awareness. Thank you for this, King.

>> No.18638118

>>18637942
Someone else's writing can be kino. Your own writing is always cringe.

>> No.18638126

>>18638118
Lift up our fellow kings!

>> No.18638132

>>18638118
unbased
we're all gmi

>> No.18638196

>>18638126
>>18638132
Everytime I write something I cringe at how cliché it is though. Or I suddenly realize that it's just some scene from a movie I like. Or how my protagonist is just Indiana Jones. Then I delete it all to stop myself from cringing so hard.

>> No.18638216

>>18638196
the path to a cringe free existence isn't deleting, it's finishing
keep going anon. cope through the cringe

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>>18638196
What's wrong with that? That's only in your mind. Most people won't see it like it.

Hell, it is fun to play with it even. How many times did LOTR use the Wilheim scream?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWvK4NMgx8U

I have two references to The Dark Knight movies in my 2nd book... one is pretty hidden, the other, not as hidden...

Learn to be less self-conscious, you can make it as a writer!

>> No.18638477

>>18638196
Isn't the supposed "cringe" that we find in our writing nothing more than projected insecurities that are subtle in reality but for us it's an issue that is inflated to an absurd degree because it's constantly on our mind? Besides Anon, if you're worrying about the "cliché" then think about it like this. Don't blame the genre/topic that you're writing about. It's mostly your approach to it that matters really. You delete all your writing because you feel like that it has no organic quality that is unique to yourself because you remember that it shares some aspect with a different work that was successful, ergo "Fuck! It's not original because somebody else did it! So let's delete it instead!"

I know this may sound trite (ironic considering the topic at hand) but just be creative Anon. If it's the protagonist that is bland than add a trait that's barely used, like the MC is a schizo that has a tulpa that represents *insert whatever here* or they're filled with symbolic imagery, Play with archetypes Anon, trust me. YOU WILL MAKE IT!

>> No.18638508

>>18632918
are you me? i do the same shit.

>> No.18638550

When I write, I pretty much shit all the words out and try to get the whole story on paper as fast as possible. Often this means the first draft is something close to retard speak, and I usually end up rewriting almost all of it.

I want to do it any other way, but frankly it feels more relaxing to hammer something shitty into something good than it does to knit together something good right out of the ether.

There any good way to streamline this process? Am I just wasting time?

>> No.18638557

>>18638550
ideal process

>> No.18638559

>>18638550
I finished my 2nd book in under 3 months by:
1. Doing the entire outline in 'tard speak exactly how you described
2. Imagining the first page and last page of the book and then filling it all in as a 3 part act

Just fucking pump that shit out man... you can do it!

>> No.18638571

>>18638550
isn't your method what mostly everyone does though? or so i've heard at least.

i've always heard the advice that something is better than nothing, and to always just get the basic points in the first draft, then polish.

>> No.18638588

>>18638550
that's the only way

>> No.18638598

>>18638557
>>18638559
I haven't tried that. Usually I just break it up into parts and go through it chronologically, but I'll give it a go on my next piece.
>>18638571
Maybe. People say first drafts are shit, but the first thing I write out doesn't even resemble the final product, only on the first rewrite does it start to actually look like it. It almost feels like there needs to be another name for it altogether.

>> No.18638606

>>18638598
First page and last page... then fill in the rest. Easy process for me.

>> No.18638643

>>18634391
lol yeah. it was the working title. also the name of jim cramer's stock show, which i didn't realize at the time. but, yeah, eventually, when i figure out the perfect title, i'll change the name.
>>18634464
that's my target audience! i feel like it can be sold (even though i know it never will be) exactly because of those people, people who live shitty lives, people who don't get to live out their fantasies, people who get attacked for being white, straight men.
>>18634498
shieet negro, where?
>>18634538
ty for reading the whole thing, bro. all the characters, in my mind, were meant to be pieces of shit, more or less. i feel like if i start from there and can make something about them sympathetic to the audience later in the season/series, then i will have accomplished something as a writer. it's a fun challenge, i guess, but Richard, at least as far as the rest of this season in concerned (i've written nine other episodes), probably becomes a bigger piece of shit as the season progresses. was there any dialogue you felt was stilted/forced?

>> No.18638673

>>18638643
Richard's constant mentions that pussy is everything to him... you definitely were influenced by American Psycho and the character seems wholly diabolical.

Show another side of him?

>> No.18638792

>writing book about guy who gets drafted into war
>supervisor catches him slacking, shouts "then what the hell are you here for!"
>don't have an answer
oops, i wrote myself into a corner

>> No.18638857

>>18638792
Why don't you just have him say he was drafted? The supervisor could either punish him for being a smart ass, or there could be a moment of humanity and he gives him some advice on being listless in the face of circumstances beyond ones control or spare him further punishment or something.

>> No.18638859

>>18638792
Great opportunity for the character to start reflecting on why he is really there, pushing him onto a narrative arc

>> No.18638869

Suddenly, unfortunately, I was faced with the Present
A face flabby and grey, but bearing marks of emaciation
Batting her encrusted eyelids, failing to ape the pleasant
Her attributes, ugly and contradictory, caused me frustration.

Against her feeble and brittle bones lay leathery skin
That yet gave the appearance of a sinewy toughness
Thus, I saw her as both fleeting and persistent, akin
To a filthy trash ridden river, a morphing sludge that is yet endless.

She spun on her long and white-knuckled finger a globe
Accurate enough, yet with many a puncture and stain
Perhaps inflicted by a petulant child, sat raging in his bed-robe
Nonetheless, it turned effortlessly on her finger, again and again.

Annoyed and somewhat desperate, I sputter out some words:
“Where are your dear sisters? I’d much rather dally with they”
She pealed forth shrill laughter, like a chattering murder of birds
“What sisters dear boy? I am the only one, despite what you pray!

You may look back and think you have seen lovely Past,
Offering warmth and happier times. Tis nought but mouldy wheat!
Just so with Future, who’s sunny smile you hope for till the last-
Notice, sir, how, as you approach them, tis always I that you meet.”

I collapsed, crippled by disappointment, melancholic
Now I see clearly, the whole world rests in her decrepit hand
For so long with Present’s prettier sisters had I hoped to frolic
But to Her realm I will always return, unloving and desolate land.

>> No.18638920

>>18638673
it is excessive, yeah, maybe to the point of caricature. you don't think all the characters are like that though? they are all definitely cliches. i knew that as i was writing them. Avi, the cheap Jew: it's been done before (i guess the whole premise too). anyways, you think it's Richard's explicit mentions/relating everything to sex and women that should be toned down so that his dialogue seems more real? can that even be done with his character as it is?

>> No.18638935

>>18638920
maybe have him stop complaining about niggers so much it will never be published if it reads like a 4chan screed

>> No.18638938

Thinking of writing a story where the "Odysseus" who returns to Ithaca is actually an imposter as some people in the Odyssey insinuate. It's a Lestrogynian that kills and eats Odysseus and his crew.

Think it might end up being too similar to the source though desu

>> No.18639143

>>18638935
that's Avi. can't Jews say whatever they want as God's chosen people?

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>>18639143
I'm extremely rebellious and a midwit but even I know that anything that you publish cannot cross certain lines and you cross a number of them that would never allow you success as a writer.

I know... kind of a pussy move to limit yourself artistically due to offending someone but if the choice is being a writer that can earn a living or being homeless and writing in a van down by the river...

>> No.18639189

>>18639143
he should call them the "schwarz(es)" and you should have him enunciate it at first to let the reader know how its pronounced. "sh-Vart-ses"

>> No.18639211

>>18635840
I was thinking uzis. No matter what you do with slings/slingshots they look like an unfitting weapon for someone who's built like a brick shithouse. Snake staffs have the same problem, flaming swords are too anachronistic for most jewish fantasy which tends to take place between the 1890s and WWII, and flaming chainsaws are so over-the top they wrap back around to being stupid

uzis are still an anachronism, but they're less conspicuous than a sword and look cool. I'm not a gun person so I don't know if it's humanly possible but I could definitely see a golem using them one-handed with no issues

>> No.18639247

>>18635840
a lawsuit
but, more seriously, a rusty dagger or (hammer and) sickle with a collection of foreskins

>> No.18639298

They’re wringing me out again
“Goddamn it,
I’m in the bucket.”
He trudges along the backline
Scraping his boots in the mud
Conscripted, he’s predicted
No solemn silhouettes marching home
Where do the spear tips go
Where do the deserters roam
Smoke eats at the horizon
Ash speckled his hair.
Swinging from the power lines
He screams into the breakers
Face first when the headlights
Came howling over the hill.
Better leave these things alone, better less than thorough
I fear it’s better not to know; I don’t speculate
Nor ruminate on their scurryings
They regrow their tails, they say
I should’ve considered scales
Or freon in my veins
However;
My heart withers, in accordance
And my tongue rots come November
“Starving himself with me,
He spends each rainy day
Dancing around the chimney
And singing his voice away”

Lighthouses lined the coast
And when the world stops looking
They hang their heads in unison
And turn to look
These beaming eyes through the mist,
Haggard and heaving through Jerusalem.

For a moment he can’t conceive
Nor consider
Anything screaming down the street
Broken bottles
Babysitter.

He talks into the tablecloth
Laminate hair in candlelight
He talks into the tablecloth
Twisting his throat so tight
He talks into the tablecloth
Swallowing himself despite some
Waning, waxing, wondering
Withering, writhing, writing
Pleas on receipts
He repeats, he excretes
Some hazy circular speech
He’s been like this for days.
I remember how toothpaste waterfalls
Streamed from the ceiling
Vaguely, the song they were playing, and
A glimpse into the hall
It was something they were saying, he limps
And he scrawls
Something they were saying
Was peeling off the walls.
They prod, they press, they push
The brunt of my skull in
They cave me, tame me, claim me
The corners of my eyes
Everything I can contrive it clutches
It curls, it unfurls
Banners behind my eyes
I used to think they’d suck it out of me
Tubes in my ears and static screens
They’d watch from the aquamarine
Tinted surgery windows
Someway in between.

>> No.18639318

>>18639163
i know that realistically there is zero way that this will ever be made/published in its current form. but i also feel like people are extremely tired of being suffocated by an absolute political correctness, specifically older generations, the ones nostalgic for that bygone 80s era when they were free to be unscrupulous hedonists, and they might want some watered down form of this idea. i feel like i just have to make it "shocking" enough to reach those people as things stand right now (still probably a delusion).
>>18639189
kino idea, anon. i'll put that in the new draft of the script.

>> No.18639325

>>18639318
Listen to the kino idea guy... just tone it down with some of the forbidden language and flower it up... don't discourage yourself, people WILL be itching more for nostalgia as 2021 marches on and everything mainstream and "new" is just shit.

>> No.18639335

Thoughts on this?


So many feelings
Pent up in here
Left all alone, I'm with
The one I most fear
I'm sick and I'm tired
Of reasoning
Just want to break out
Shake off this skin

I, I can't
Escape myself

All my problems
Loom larger than life
I can't swallow
Another slice
Seems like my shadow
Mocks every stride
Can I learn to live with
What's trapped inside?

I, I can't
Escape myself

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>>18636121
It's literally on Warosu. Why you retards think that deleting the picture would do anything is just plain retarded.

>> No.18639373

>>18634712
>>18634715
Don’t know why people are sucking this piece off so much. But then again, this wouldn’t be the first time some anon wrote a mediocre work and got praised for it for no reason. But then again, idiots here are just that desperate for self-validations.

>> No.18639386

>>18639373
My guess is because it is a silky smooth-written little tidbit, the story it is from could be extremely boring, we don't know.

>> No.18639405
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>how to write screenplay book brings examples
>all examples are from trashy popular movies
>not one single kino
I guess the reason how to write screenplay books always suck is because they are about writing a screenplay that sells fast instead of an actually good one.

>> No.18639412

>>18636082
This isn't even a rare gem, the fuck are you on about.

>> No.18639416

>>18639386
I don’t know, I think my issue is the undeserved praise it gets. Other anons post their work here that were better than that one, but either got ignored or just plain shit in. Still don’t see what’s so great about it.

>> No.18639421

>>18639412
Nobody here ever agrees that any writing can ever be "good", it is all shit.

>> No.18639430

>>18639416
It is like musical tastes... some people like Megan Thee Stallion and think her videos are really well done. Seriously, shaking black asses set to a beat is a huge genre worth billions of dollars. Writing is all what people are willing to pay for, I mean... 50 Shades of Grey is a massive best seller.

>> No.18639443

>>18639430
>I mean... 50 Shades of Grey is a massive best seller
Yeah and people shit on it constantly here, and ask if they could do better make excuses. E. L. James self-published it and got millions because of it. For better or for worse, I can at least respect her for it. The same can't be said with anons here.

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What's the most important component when writing a short story?

>> No.18639459

>>18639358
The point is why would an anon be salty enough to bother going onto warosu, saving the images, and reposting them in this thread just to spite OP who expressly deleted them. These threads are just brimming with spite from frustrated mediocrity

>>18639416
I have yet to see a piece posted in the last few threads that I thought was remotely close to that level of quality. But that's just me.

>> No.18639469

>>18639459
>These threads are just brimming with spite from frustrated mediocrity
Literally everyone in these threads are mediocre. Just because you wrote a nice passage doesn’t elevate you.

>> No.18639492

>>18639469
I'm not the same person you wrote those excerpts you oaf. What frustrates me and other anons in this thread is when someone posts something even reasonably good and salty anons instantly try and shit on it/tear it down out of jealousy. Reminds me of exactly the sort of shitheads at school who were always complaining about people actually going out and achieving things. Oh they won the hundred metres, well there wasn't much competition this year and did you see their trainers, they have more of a spring in them, on a good day so and so would beat them. Oh so and so got a new deadlift record, yeah but I heard he's juicing and also he seems like the type to beat his gf, and why do we praise those cavemen type sports anyway.

Like fuck me it grinds my gears more than anything else. Just give credit where credits due. The writing was good.

>> No.18639499

>>18639469
Speak for yourself lmao, I'm published in 5 decent journals and I found out last week an agent wants to represent my first novel. I come in these threads occasionally to remind myself what I could become if I slack off

>> No.18639535

>>18639492
I knew a girl who was like this. Either nothing anybody else did was really an impressive achievement, or else she'd done it better. Never liked to give anyone else a dub. Real Grade A cunt.

>> No.18639556

>>18639499
But are you cool at all?

>> No.18639565

>>18639443
Yes I agree, taste is subjective and even though sooooo much writing / music / tv / etc is absolute garbage, the benchmark for success is not "is it good" but "does it sell?"

>> No.18639573

>>18639556
Not remotely but that's neither here nor there. I never wanted anything other than to get away from other people.

>> No.18639588

>>18639416
it's backlash to the backlash
I only read it because some anon was saying it was shit and someone said it wasn't
a lot of /wg/ is easily impressed. probably because most of them don't read or write
his writing is solid though. that doesn't imply that decent writing never gets posted, just that this one got some (over)appreciation

>> No.18639628

>>18639588
Pretty much this. Also, pretty paragraphs don't mean a lot by themselves. If there is a 5k long compelling story all of that quality, then I'd be impressed.

The intense reaction is probably due to the very first anon saying it was outright shit, which is plainly just not true and annoyed people generally for the reasons summarised here
>>18639492

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Is there a specific name for this thing that Spongebob is strapped to? I'm just calling it a "slab" in my story because it's made of stone.

>> No.18639698

>>18639692
it's called a rack.

>> No.18639704

>>18639692
It is called "being broken on the rack" and you should read up on first hand accounts of the pain...

>> No.18639708

>>18639573
I respect that anon, thanks for sharing!

>> No.18639709

>>18634712
I thought pseuds didn't write?

>> No.18639730

>>18639709
Pseuds write the most

>> No.18639754

>>18638196
>Or how my protagonist is just Indiana Jones
Sounds exciting anon. Don't worry so much about getting inspiration from other sources, some of the greatest literature ever written was inspired by other works. Write what you're interested in.

>> No.18639849

Writing is fucking hard.

>> No.18639899

I have this idea, it sits in my head for like 8 years. I promised myself Ill write a book about it.
I'm writing random shit and published two short stories to gain experience. I still don't feel ready to use that for a book. It's a life long promise, maybe I should git gud first

>> No.18639900

>>18639730
A lie they tell themselves. For why else did they purge the anime writers?

>> No.18639928

>>18639730
true
all good writers I know write 250-500 words daily at most
retards write thousands

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>>18639730

>> No.18639987

>>18639899
I recently read a collection of letters by an arabic writer
In one of the last letters before his death he details to a friend how he wishes how he wishes he could write but cannot because of his health. That he can't even take comfort in what he's written in the past because he never wrote anything of significance
From the letter:
"...Please for God's sake, don't tell me, "You have sung a lot, and what you have already sung was beautiful." Don't mention to me my past deeds, for the remembrance of them makes me suffer, and their triviality turns my blood into a burning fire, and their dryness generates thirst in my heart, and their weakness keeps me up and down one thousand times a day..."
"...I was born to live and to write a book--only one small book--I was born to live and suffer and to say one living and winged word, and I cannot remain silent until Life utters that word through my lips..."
"...And when I became able to utter the first letter of my word, I found myself down on my back with a stone in my mouth. However, my word is still in my heart, and it is a living and winged word which I must utter in order to remove with its harmony the sins which my jabbering has created."
I don't disapprove what you're doing but keep in mind that you could easily become one of many writers who died without ever saying what they had to say. Don't slack off.

>> No.18640128

>>18634712
>>18634715
The prose is literally ripping off McCarthy; for a minute, I thought I was looking at Blood Meridian. That being said, I think it's good.

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>>18639934

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So far my plan be a better writer is just reading more books and doing tons of writing exercises. My theory is that in time, my brain will amass the knowledge gained from reading and writing that my brain organically generates a writing form on it's own. I'm not sure if I'm on the right path. Am I doing it right?

>> No.18640161

>>18640150
You should unironically shitpost on /lit/. It's good writing exercise and you can test how efficient your writing is at getting reactions from others.

>> No.18640187

>>18632738

Do I have any chance of becoming a thriller author along the lines of Clive Cussler or James Rollins? I've tried to write sci-fi and fantasy but I keep coming back to technothrillers.

>> No.18640191

>>18639899

Just fucking do it. Outline out that idea, map it to something like McKee's archplot, and start writing.

>> No.18640197

>>18640187
no

>> No.18640206

>>18640197

That's what I thought.

>> No.18640237

>>18640150
I would recommend trying your hand at some short stories or something as well. It'll help to get some practice trying to write what you want.

>> No.18640313

>>18640150
I've started mentally recording scenes I'm experiencing as if I were writing them. Sitting on the train, describing someones face, etc
I should probably just get a notepad or something and write it down but that makes me feel autistic

>> No.18640506

Don't ever, ever take a break from writing
I was on such a good roll that I told myself I could step back for a week
Worst mistake of my life

>> No.18640530

>>18640506
I feel ya. A few months ago there was a period where I didn't write for 6 days straight. On the seventh day, I started writing and wrote in a completely different tense, and wrote it like it was summarizing the chapter. I was horrified but managed to get around to fixing it.

Though in a few weeks I am seriously contemplating taking a few weeks off for hiatus after I finish this volume/major character's character arc. I've been writing almost every single week for a whole year (310k words counting) and I want to enjoy mself to play vidya and bing watch some anime without having a guilty conscious of maintaining a rigid deadline for so long.

>> No.18640699

>>18639900
>>18639928
>>18639934
They spend more time writing than reading. That means they have no idea about the field they’re working in. Pseuds pretend to read or know about writing, especially if they have some bullshit front going on about “I must write because if I don’t; I’d die!”

>> No.18641437

>put all my accepted or published material in a docx file.
>9 pages
Jesus. I've barely had anything published.

>> No.18641441

>>18641437
How much have you wrote?

>> No.18641447

>>18641437
That's still more than most of us

>> No.18641466

>>18641441
3 unfinished or unedited novellas
Countless poems (stretching back to when I was 15)
At least a dozen short stories

>>18641447
Well you guys ought to get on submittable and get in the slush pile. There’s usually a 1-5% chance of success.

>> No.18641475

>>18641466
That's awesome!

What are the outlines of the stories of the 3 novellas? How close to finished are they?

>> No.18641501

>>18641475
I posted the outlines here before and people said I needed to write a plot first, because it was incoherent. They’ll probably never see the light of day.
>novella 1
Science fiction meets Camus’ “The Plague”. A hospital doctor becomes increasingly unsettled by an underage terminal patient and performs euthanasia on her to stop suffering. He becomes wanted by the board of directors, more so for being a humane practitioner than anything.
>Novella 2
May 68 does not dissipate and France joins the Soviet bloc, then various revolutions happen across the West, until there is something like a poststructuralist society emerging. People abolish prisons and asylums, because of popular theories of abolitionism put forward by Dr Faustus, until they realise insane people are too much to handle. So they send all the insane people, what would be inpatients and outpatients, of Europe to the Azores. Here, the islanders form violent gangs or clans, all whilst the mysterious theorist and superstar academic, Dr Faustus, lives on this “utopia” in the shadows.
>Novella 3
A diary of a French Revolutionary is found in 2020, which might have been fabricated for a hoax to extort money from historians, academics, and museums. The document details the tale of a radical-turned-executioner who survives the Thermidor phase, then fights in Napoleon’s Young Guard.

>> No.18641506

>>18641501
Which of the three was/is the most fun to write?

Are you able to envision the first page and last page of any of those three novelllas?

>> No.18641507

>>18639459
> why would an anon be salty enough to bother going onto warosu, saving the images, and reposting them in this thread just to spite OP who expressly deleted them.
you're acting like that's a very difficult, time-consuming, arduous task. It takes less minute, a few minutes at most, and the Yous it generates more than rewards the tiny bit of effort that it took to get those screenshots

>> No.18641509

>>18641475
Following up on your question now. They’re all written down and “finished” but there’s many holes in the narratives because I was a newbie when I wrote them. I’d definitely have to rewrite them to even get a reader’s attention.

>> No.18641525

>>18641506
The first one was the most fun because it was the first time I’d written and the theme about euthanasia was ethically interesting. The second was the worst and least fun, because I was having a hard time at uni, as well as feeling mentally low… it was also pretty dark in places (a lot of murder and disturbed characters). The third was more like I tried to write as much as possible as accurately as I could. It felt less like creation and more like I needed to do it properly, which I think historical fiction demands, even if it’s made up.

What about you, anon? What do you enjoy writing?

>> No.18641536

>>18641525
I love writing "what ifs" where the bizarre and unbelievable is almost believable. In the sequel to my 2nd book, tribal drug users have teamed up with feral coyotes in urban downtown Vancouver and are slowly taking over. However, they are getting pushback from the young "eco-warrior" crowd who are upset that Stanley Park is looking like post-Sauron Isengard as the crackheads and coyotes are eating all the Canada geese and have claimed territory within the park for activities such as coyote chariot races and gladiator combat fueled by hardcore drug use.

If you ever want to finish those books, there are some great techniques, I find, you can use to "jump back into" the world and figure where the message is supposed to go again... it really helps kickstart the creative process!

>> No.18641544

>>18641536
Sounds excellent. I heard Vancouver crackheads are the worst on the planet, so it sounds both scary and interesting.

I’m not worried about jumping back in. I think juvenilia needs to hide from readers, until the author is dead. I don’t think I read or wrote enough to know what made a good story, so the basic essence of the novellas are all very low energy.

>> No.18641553

>>18641544
I feel like the books, hopefully like mine, that poke fun at the anxiety of the future are going to be successful.

We're already in this cycle now where things are memoryholed and consooming is the only culture being actively fed-into by normies, capeshit has made cinema a joke. Music is horrific and all the same.

Feels like there is a great artisan awakening about to happen as more people seek out local art and local stories.

>> No.18641577

>>18641553
>Feels like there is a great artisan awakening about to happen as more people seek out local art and local stories.
I’ve heard this opinion aired before. I’m sure there’s some truth to it. I just think it takes too much time and patience for someone to teach themselves good taste or about literary forms/conventions/periods in order to make value judgements in lit.

>> No.18641589

>>18641577
Is good taste required to have faith in oneself?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ttzijna8mgQ

>> No.18641614

>>18641589
I don’t think the reason why you are a better artist than others is because you disagree with thinly-veiled pornography. That’s such a low hanging fruit. There’s plenty of fantastic art that was scandalised for the wrong reasons (William Blake writing about plants having sex), so I can’t really object to sex in art, full stop.

>> No.18641658

>>18641614
> I can’t really object to sex in art, full stop.
:^) yes, you shouldn't object to sex in art, there's context, you like plants pollinating don't you? heh heh heh stupid goy

>> No.18641674

>>18641658
At least be a bit more interesting with the trolling.

>> No.18641681

>>18641614
Sex is just filler these days it feels like. I found the sex scene in The Watchmen to be one of the most well-made ones I've seen in awhile.

>> No.18641694

>>18632738
I want to write but I'm awful at motivating myself.
I can't even quit cooming cause it takes more effort to resist my impulses than it does to just let my animal brain take over.

Anyone have some good tips on how to build willpower?

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>>18641694
Why wouldn't you WANT to write about this bizarre world and what might come next?

>> No.18641718

>>18641681
I usually just fastforward through sex scenes, cause if you can replace a scene with b-roll of a train going through a tunnel without losing anything then you don't need that scene.
But since Game of Thrones people have been shoving gratuitous sex scenes in everywhere to make it more "mature".
I swear it's the new version of the "gritty reboot" phenomenon.
I even saw a version of A Christmas Carol with added sex scenes.

>> No.18641721

>>18641718
Hahaha, yes, sex as filler!

Oh god someone at the liquor store mentioned some show on Netflix the other day that is full of horrible sex, I forgot what they were talking about as I don't have Netflix.

>> No.18641724

>>18641709
One of the ideas I have is about how fucking awful its going to be when the comer generation takes control, but I have to get round to writing it before it actually happens.

>> No.18641740

>>18641724
I feel guilty because I sold porn for 15 years online. My videos had 10+ billion views. I ask God for forgiveness every day as I did not have any moral compass growing up and only began listening to my conscience in my 30's.

>> No.18641755

>>18641718
sex scenes, and in general rape, have became the standard feature in media for the midwit artist
Need something shocking? Rape sex
Need something traumatic? Rape sex
Need something to make your character deeper? Rape sex
Need something symbolic? Rape sex
Need something to bring two characters closer? Rape sex
Need something to show how a character feels about another character? Rape sex
Need something to entertain the audience? Rape sex
Need something that makes your novel seem mature or serious? Rape sex

It's all so tiresome

>> No.18641759

>>18641755
When the blowjob scene happened in the Hateful 8, like easily 1/4th of the theater audience just left. I was pretty surprised.

>> No.18641762

>>18636838
How did Sumerians know what an essay is? Or daemons, when this is a Greek phrase invented by Socrates?

>> No.18641772

>>18641759
When I found out about the blowjob scene from the reviews, I didn't bother watching the movie. I find Samuel Jackson tiresome too. Literally every movie is him saying obscenities, yelling obscenities, or yelling in general, doing the same tired tough black man trope

>> No.18641775

>>18641772
Yeah it was shitty. Of course my most globohomo'ed friends loved it.

>> No.18641787

>>18641772
>>18641775
I liked the way everybody died in the end

>> No.18641789

>>18641762
The essay is written in the present, talking about the copper age tablet that has been “found”. It’s not real, just a fictional text that precedes the Epic of Gilgamesh. It’s a bit like Borges’ fictional books in his stories.

Daemon or daimon is literally the word English scholars used for the lesser deities or entities in Mesopotamia:
>On account of the udug's capacity for both good and ill, Graham Cunningham argues that "the term daimon seems preferable" over the term "demon", which is the one normally used to describe it.[12]

>> No.18641804

>>18641789
I see, so it's like that. But if it's written in the present, why is it written like this?
>Herein lies an essai and discourse
Is Zebulun Sterling meant to be an insufferable twat?

>> No.18641829

>>18641804
It’s written like an academic essay, such as Howard’s essay for Conan:

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/42182/42182-h/42182-h.htm

I imagined the author would be inspired by Descartes (discourse) and Montaigne (essai). That’s the only reason why I chose those words.

>> No.18642016

>>18638550
>>18638550
>>18638550
>>18638550
>>18638550

Unironically how do you do this. I know how my story plays out but I struggle to just let shitty words flow so it's all on the page, my inner editor/perfectionist causes almost physical pain and I end up redrafting the same 250 word paragraph for hours. How do I switch off and just get the first draft done

>> No.18642117

>>18642016
Drink alcohol and bang away at a typewriter. There’s no stopping you if you can barely see what’s written (as the page is obstructed by the typewriter itself and curled over).

>> No.18642133

>>18638038
That's a very long way to say de gustibus
It is the first thing for any person to learn in using the internet if they want to sane

>> No.18642147

>>18641501
Sorry anon but is the first one just some political work pro euthanasia? It looks like it, I wouldn't read it.

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>Why do you write like old men from XIX and XX century?
My betareader asked me literally that.

>> No.18642217

>>18641740
You're already forgiven.

>> No.18642225

>>18642191
Write like someone from the 21st century.

>> No.18642230

>>18642225
What does writing like a 21. century writer mean?

>> No.18642234

>>18642230
>He doesn't know
NGMI

>> No.18642261

>>18642230
Tao Lin
>The next night they ate whale

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Thoughts? Flash fiction.

The Fisherman

I pierced it bloated on my hook, cast it over the marram-mantled dunes. Then like a good fisherman I stood and patiently waited, salt air in my hair, the line between my legs. After a minute, a trembling in the grass as of some rapidly advancing army. The game had begun.

Their faces terrified me as they gathered on a piney rise. I fought to keep the lure in my grasp—and from theirs. And though they stumbled, and they fell, put up the good fight, the thing wriggled hideously upon the white sand, slipperier than the slipperiest eel.

So, up on the grey dunes and down to the yellows, then further onward to the foredunes I led them, reeling, always reeling. They fell in slacks and tripped on the Ammophila tufts, the mass of them roiling like a primordial ooze. Their starving eyes and mouths desiring of what they’d found, they’d run until they couldn’t. If they caught it, they’d kiss it until their lips cracked.

But I never let them bite, not once, never.

Before the sea the embryo dunes, after the embryo dunes, a drop. That was where I stood, on the lip above, coil tightening. In a moment, if I wasn’t careful, they’d be on top of me. But I’d experience this time.

Calmly I walked down to the beach’s level sands. As my catch gathered behind me, ravenous and vital, I threw rod and line and lure to the sea. Then I unfolded my chair, sat in it, amused by their idiot efforts. They couldn’t scramble fast enough. A group of them cried to it, called it their baby and their beloved, but those voices quickly died.

I might’ve taken them to a sea cliff, but I preferred to watch them drown.

Gametes are excellent bait for humans.

>> No.18642533

^ above post is copypasta FYI

>> No.18642543
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Any good resources into writing TV shows? (Or any other type of long running fiction with a large cast)

>> No.18642546

>>18642191
>XIX
>XX
You also type like them. What a fool.

>> No.18642561

How do I write 5000 words in a day?

>> No.18642568

>>18642561
Buy me some crack cocaine and I’ll tell you

>> No.18642592

As somebody working on their first novel, which of the books in the OP should I focus on reading first?

>> No.18642597

>>18642592
None

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>>18632738
I wanna start writing a fantasy story because I want to create my own interesting world filled with characters, lore and whatnot. I also want to publish it, so other people can read my work and perhaps find some joy in it.
I already have some scenarios and characters I wanna expand on. However, I have hardly any experience with writing stories, except for the few times I had to in school (which is probably worthless).
And needless to say, my English isn't the best (my 2nd language),so I need to acquire better vocabulary. I'm basically brainstorming a bit in this post, but I'm going to check out the relevant links in the OP.
Keep on writing, it's a cool hobby. I wish you the best

>> No.18642672

I have an adventure story laid out, but the first 1/3 of it is just a comfy home setting where the protagonist first gets a reason to go out on the journey, and then actually spends time finding a way to embark on it by doing odd jobs and getting favors in return, I want it there for contrast and I've woven some later themes into it, but that first location and its characters ultimately don't serve the plot in any way other than giving something grounded to the protagonist to compare his perilous journey to.

I'm extremely divided on if I should keep it as is, or reduce its length, or even remove it completely, because I have a feeling it will come across as boring, and the couple of people I've showed it to weren't enthused with it, I'm not sure what to do here. I've also experimented with ways to tie the location and characters into the later plot, but it always ended up making the world feel too small and connected, when I want it to feel varied and expansive.

>> No.18642684

>>18642672
Prose and psychological depth can cover for a lack of action in literary fiction. If your prose is dry and your characters shallow, nobody will want to read it. That said, the first third of a book, following the tried and true three act story structure, is usually reserved for exposition, so I would look to making sure your writing is good before worrying about plot and narrative structure.

>> No.18642697

>>18642641
Write in your own language you nincompoop

>> No.18642701

>>18634715
this is kinda good anon. I'm not so enthused by it's flowery-ness but What your saying comes across well.

>> No.18642823

>>18642641
write in your language
Even if you're completely fluent English feels more than natural, it's a retarded language for literature.

>> No.18642875

>>18640530
>Though in a few weeks I am seriously contemplating taking a few weeks off for hiatus after I finish this volume/major character's character arc.

This is a good idea anyway because you want to leave a bit of time between finish the draft and editing, so that when you editing you're doing it with fresh eyes

>> No.18642913

>>18642875
Generally, that is a good idea. Unfortunately, I'm one of the people that serial-writes online. Meaning I write then immediately edit prior to publishing a chapter online. Though I guess it wouldn't hurt to revisit some of my older chapters that I published a year ago though.

>> No.18642925

>>18633065
No I finished my lawn before I started writing.

>> No.18642963

> want to write a fic about traveling around the world and discovering that evil factions are actually good
> it goes off the rails on the first act and turns into a novella about contingency laws, political assassinations and military joining forces with bandits to overthrow a kingdom

>> No.18642980

>>18642963
Then write it.

>> No.18642996

>>18642980
I am but I intended for the whole revolution arc to be like 3 5k word chapters, not 8-10.

>> No.18643002

>>18642641
Like other anons have said, I think it's fine to write in your own language. Whatever you decide to do, good luck! I'm trying my hand at writing fantasy also, it can be pretty fun.

>> No.18643012

>>18642996
I wrote an arc that was in its original draft like 3 chapters long and a total of 6k words, but then it ballooned into more than 40 chapters and over 100k words. Just write it.

>> No.18643040

>>18642641
Don't get stuck in world building so much you don't make a story. Had catch myself before that happend.

>> No.18643052

>>18642641
Don't get stuck only worldbuilding it's a disease.

>> No.18643107

>>18642697
>>18642823
>>18642823
I don't know lads, writing a story in my first language (Norwegian) seems unironically cringe to me. Probably because I've consumed English media my whole life.
>>18643040
>>18643052
Alright, thanks for the tip

>> No.18643241

>>18632918
There's a better way. Put a couple dozen slips of paper in a hat with all but one saying "100 words" and the last saying "play game for half an hour". You reach in every time you complete a slip.

It's the same trick that gets people to gamble away their pensions in slot machines but now it works for you

>> No.18643258

>>18633332
Nietzche thought the Jews were a necessary component of Western civilization and considered their search for the messiah to be a primative form of the search for the ubermensch. He would have thought the Nazis were idiotic on account of their failure to understand even the most basic principles of his work

>> No.18643551

>>18643107
Ibsen didn't think it was cringe. Are you better than Ibsen?

>> No.18643610

>>18643551
Certainly not, but Ibsen didn't grow up with English media constantly shoved into his face
On that note, I forgot to ask you; Why not English? And how am I supposed to know if Norwegian is better or worse than English when it comes to literature?

>> No.18643626

>>18632738
Are there any legit good online writing course instructed by someone half decent? My writing aint where I want it to be and living alone, away from smart people is making me worse

I found out about the NCW course ( www.nationalcentreforwriting.org.uk/creative-writing-online/ ) too late for this year

>> No.18643644

>>18643610
You're bound to be more fluent in your native language, you will have a larger vocabulary and most importantly you will THINK in your native language.
At least I hope you do. I certainly can't get as whimsical with English as I do with Finnish despite having a technical competence in the use of it.

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I was going to post my pasta again but I just don't feel like it anymore, it's been done to death.
117 thousand words done. Soon I will be done and I can start trimming the fat.

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>>18634712
>>18634715
Damn. I was the original writer of these. Was not expecting it to be so divisive in the slightest. My writing is by no means perfect and I get it's not to everybody's taste.

For anyone who DID like it, I'm currently after beta readers for the finished piece. It clocks it at 3k words and takes ~10 mins to read. I'm happy to pay (cashapp or PayPal) for decent beta feedback. If you're at all interested message Ovid738 on Reddit.

>> No.18644325

>>18641709
How does one write about heroism these days when all one needs to do to be a hero is get killed by a cop for being a retard?

>> No.18644335

>>18639899
just write it, you can do it again if you don’t like it (that’s what proust did, and what joyce did, probably lots of other people)

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>>18644325
My character is a bit of a tongue-in-cheek hero. I'd say the best way to write about how insane modern life has become is to make a somewhat-believable parody of real life. That's kind of what I've done, and I'm taking it to another level with my 3rd book. Homeless crackhead tribal drugmaxxers building coyote-powered chariots made from repurposed dumpsters and welded together bicycle wheels. In a distant mad-max like Vancouver, it could be possible...

>> No.18644368

>>18644335
More info on that Proust and Joyce reference?

>> No.18645249

>>18643107
You should come down to Texas. Here, we've got an entire club of norgeaboos and people pretending to be nordmenn. Before the pandemic, everyone came together for Leif Erikson Shrimp (Rekefest) Festival. I was sad to learn that Leif Erikson Shrimp Day isn't a thing in Norway

https://www.norwegiansocietyoftexas.org/

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>>18645249
Wew lad. And yeah, I've never heard about that festival before. Sounds cool though, I like shrimp.

>> No.18645749

>>18645249
Viking roleplayers are pretty funny to me.

>> No.18645804

>>18645333
here's a story that we wrote at the Texas Norwegian writing club

> en besøkende

> Vi vikinger liker å plyndre. I dag besøker en merkelig viking oss. Men han har plundret mye og har mye skatt.
> Han har det klassiske runde vikingskjoldet og et vikingsverd.
> «Jeg heter Harald,» sier den besøkende. «Jeg er en modig og fryktløs kriger.»
> «Hallo, Harald.»

> «Marit, se på sverdet sitt. Det er et kult våpen,» sier Magnus.
> «Ja, det er virkelig kult,» sier Harald. «Denne verten var en gave fra en engelsk stammeleder.»
> «Dere må være gode venner.»
> «Jeg tror at han håper å aldri se meg igjen,» sier Harald. «Jeg brente ned og plyndret slottet hans.»
> Harald ser på skoene sine.
> «Også,» sier Harald. «sverdet har kanskje ikke vært en gave.»


English translation

a visitor

We Vikings like to plunder. Today, a strange Viking is visiting us. But he has plundered a lot and has a lot of treasure.
He has the classic round Viking shield and a Viking sword.
“My name is Harald,” the visitor says. “I am a brave and fearless warrior.”
“Hello, Harald.”

“Marit, look at his sword. It's a cool weapon,” says Magnus.
“Yes, it's really cool,” says Harald. “This Viking sword was a gift from an English tribal leader.”
“You guys must be good friends.”
“I think that he hopes to never see me again,” says Harald. “I burned down and plundered his castle.”
Harald looks at his shoes.
“Also,” says Harald. “The sword may not have been a gift.”

>> No.18645806

>>18645749
Pagans are all fake and gay.

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>>18645804
Here's another one

> Kong Knut

> Spillet av hnefatafl handler om en vikingkonge som blir angrepet i borgen sin. Kongen må rømme til en av fire hjørnerutene, før motstanderne får tak i ham.

> Hnefatafls brett har 9x9 ruter. Det har totalt åttien ruter. Det er åtte hvite brikker, seksten svarte brikker, og en kongebrikke.

> Nå spiller Kong Knut et spill av hnefatafl med jarl Ulf. Ulf er den bedrer spiller og tar en av Knuts brikker. Kong Knut føler seg trist. Han liker ikke jarl Ulf.

> Senere var Ulf død.


King Knut

The game of henfatafl is about a Viking king who is attacked in his castle. The king must escape to one of four corner squares before the opponents get ahold of him.

Hnefatafl's board has 9x9 squares. It has a total of eighty-one squares. There are eight white pieces, sixteen black pieces, and one king's piece.

Now King Knut is playing a game of king’s table with Jarl Ulf. Ulf is the better player and takes one of Knut's pieces. King Knut feels sad. He doesn't like Jarl Ulf.

Later, Ulf was dead.