/lit/ - Literature

Any sff cunny kino?

>>18618683
kys freak

Best series of all time?

Daily reminder to support self-publishing authors by buying one of their books in this chart. Keep Science Fiction and Fantasy strong.

Post cool SFF art

>>18618734
> support authors with prose worse than Sanderson's.
Hard no.

>>18618734
Add it to the list and I just might

Oh no no no no bros, Throne of Glass is making me gay. I can't help but self insert as the female protagonist as she admires the rugged males.

What's with Kellhus' haloes? He started having them before he learned any magic, is it due to Ajokli or just mass hallucination? Moenghus couldn't tell and Dunsult never commented on it. If I remember correctly only those somehow enthralled by Kellhus were seeing them. And Kellhus himself, but he could already go mad in TTT

>>18618744
Read Friday by Heinlein next.

>>18618734
most of these have such pants-on-head titles i'm immediately turned off

>Read pic related
>It actually uses the word "cunny" at one point
lol

>>18618765
Just wait for the cunny dragon in TUC

>>18618765
pic related

I'm feeling unironically excited for this chad prince to ravish my va- I mean, her. Ravish her. Hahaha.

>>18618765
so does asoiaf

>>18618734
Thanks anon for reminding me! I've been meaning to buy pic related which is propably in the first few books which i've actually bougth. Anyone here read it? At least the mormie reviews were praising it and i really enjoyed its progenitor game Enderal where the writer was in charge of the lore and plot.

>>18618734
lmao no thanks

>>18618785
This is certainly some of the prose I've ever seen

>>18618809
no graphic sex, no read

>>18618732
Wait, what the fuck?
>But it was her golden hair that caught the attention of most, hair that still maintained a glimmer of its glory.
The protagonist actually blonde? Pic related, it's her. I'm unironically mad + baited by this. Why do all the covers have a cool grey-skinned babe with awesome silver hair? She literally does not look anything like those covers. She's just a normal blonde slut.

What am i going into with malazan?

>>18618844
learning why a good editor is important

>>18618843
Because she's not a self insert

>>18618809
>>18618835
The later books have graphic sex including biting and what not.
If you want your hot sex fix now, there's also her other series.

>>18618855
Waifu material

Sarah J Maas, time to step aside

What do you think about my novel, set in 2087. Quick excerpts.

>Trump Greogry flexed his corded muscles. Muscles honed from a lifetime of fighting. Though he had been born after the 2nd American Civil War, he had fought hard for the Imperium in both Asia and Mexico.

>He had survived 10 years of near constant battle in Mexico. The Imperium had pushed as far south as the Panama Canal, building a buffer against the Globalhomo hordes- and then disaster had struck. A whole cadre of High Ashkenazim Warfiends, some 700 augmented by cybernetics and the Kabbalahic Probability Trance, had landed, backed up by 10,000 Jews to lead the Globalhomo armies. Another 150,000 commie special forces, traitorous Whites with black hearts.

>Then there was what soldiers like him had called "The Unbreakable Wave." The breeding pits of Africa had gone silent after the bombing campaigns of 2056. What the Trump Imperium did not know then is that the Jews had burrowed deep, deep underground. Whole pit cities filled with roided up ebony shock troops, breeding constantly to the sound of trap music, and trained to a furious edge in combat. What they lacked in tactics or ability to execute strategy, they made up for in sheer numbers and brutality. Among them too was the elite Bix Nubians, known for a cunning their fellows could only ape, and fierce in battle.

>And so Operation Flesh Golem had begun. Wave after black wave crashing against the Legions of the Imperium. The wave broke around the brave Legions, but flooded ever forward, swamping them. The Unbreakable Wave. And striding above it, the Ashkenazim Warfiends, moving through thin air above the tide, immune to rockets and jets, protected by Kabbalahic plasma shields, and firing down fusion beams to break holes for the Black hordes. It took over a decade, but the Legions were pushed back. Now, only the Great Trump Wall held back the Wave, mighty in solid gold splendor.

>And now, Trump Gregory was dealing with politics. Some in the Texas border states questioned to loyalty of those few Black Legions, the ones who had been granted the legal status of Basedblackmen...

>>18619063
Anyhow, it's about the epic siege of the Great Trump Wall, but at the same time Legate Gregory has to deal with an internal plot to put a Kushnerite heir on the throne, even though the Kushner line of the Trunps is secretly loyal to the Globalhomo. The MC also falls in love with a trad virgin special agent blond girl as a romance angle.

The story will have lots of intrigue. It climaxes as the Wall is almost breeched while Gregory is away. The Globalhomo have stolen his girl. In a tense scene he rescues her and returns in time to save the wall, but for how long?

But through the story, we learn a deadly secret about the Kushnerite and his true allegiance.

That's book one. IDK about book two but I think it ends with the Imperium gaining ground in Europe and Asia, but it's a ploy to overstretch them. Gregory and his girl find out it is a ploy but no one will listen to them. There are some epic fights and then, when things are going good and Gregory reaches Trump Tower, the mile high golden center of power, it all goes wrong. The God Emperor, Baron Trump, and several heirs are assassinated. The MC and his girl barely escape alive.

The Wall is breeched and the fight is on American soil for the first time since the Second Civil War. All seems lost as they watch the Kushnerite ascend the throne.

Second acts always end dark. The third book will be the suprising comeback and victory over the archnemesis, Rabbi Schomlokov, The Reaper of Souls.

>>18618732
>Best series of all time?
>Female author

I'm trying to remember a book I read years ago and I'm wondering if anyone here can help me. It was about a team of astronauts who land on a planet (or for some reason I'm thinking it may have been an asteroid) and find an abandoned civilization and are theorizing what happened to the inhabitants. Meanwhile, the inhabitants are watching them from some other plane of existence. Turns out they created some device which I think was called "the eye" that they can pass through and attain some kind of omnipresence, but in the process it eliminates their physical form. Now they regret the decision and want to go back, but can't figure out how and somehow with the help of the astronauts they succeed. Any ideas?

i used to like you guys and consider you my frens but i now i realize (with the exception of maybe one or two genuine-minded anons) you are all just a bunch of angry bitter shitposting autists who have nothing better to do than come here all day and shit on each other in mean and petty ways.

>>18619493
Yeah, that's 4chan.
Names/identities can pollute conversations, but at the very least they incentive being polite and constructive so as to not get ostracized permanently as a dumb troll. That's how you lose friends. Anonymity makes it very tempting to be randomly malicious and destructive just for fun since there are no consequences to being mean or petty.

why do we hate female writers, again?

>>18619620

I don't know. I'm not an incel.

>>18619670
yes you are, come on. we're all virgins here

>>18619063
Lol it sounds to absurd i'd read it. Who are the globalhomo exactly?
Keep it up bro

>>18619729
Don't encourage the /pol/tard anon
>Who are the globohomo exactly?
Muh J00Z

Fuck E William Brown
Fuck No Releases
Fuck Pay Pigs
Fuck Pay Walls
Fuck Delays
FUCK YOU

>>18618855
I want to fill her with my seed. I will read her 1st book now.

>>18619620
I don't but this collage of shitty work almost made start.

>>18619840
Based anonchad. Thank you for joining me. So far, I have found it a bit laughable at points but nothing outright offensive. I think the main thing is you have to pretend that the protagonist is just a good assassin, rather than the best assassin to ever live. Her behavior/dialogue is outright bad in the context of her being a super assassin, but a decent one narrowly passes the test.

Name one (1) good SFF book written by a woman. I'll wait. Well? I'm still waiting. Can't think of one, hmm??? I can't say that surprises me at all, since none exist!

>>18619869
Earthsea, you jackass.

>>18619874
>good

>>18619063
>>18619111
>Kabbalic probability trance
>Bix Nubians
I want to read more anon. Please post a link

>>18619881
>IT HAS NONWHITE CHARACTERS…!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO KILL MEEEEEEEE IT CANNOT HAVE ANY LITERARY MERIT SINCE A CHARACTER IS BROWNNNNN NOOOOOOOOOOO

>>18619892
Of course a book with non-white characters can have literary merit, but political propaganda disguised as a fantasy book can't.

>>18619853
I will picture her mc as the author so as to enhance the inevitable fap

>>18619903
Did you read that shit, retard? It’s an entirely apolitica hero’s journey narrative.

God, I hate this fucking board. You people are so sad.

>>18619909
>apolitical
It's quite clearly not, as she stated herself >>18619881.

>>18619892
There is a difference in making a story with nonwhite character and making an anti-white propaganda piece and openly declaring as such.
I like so read xianxia (sue me) because it has no such clear ideological goal, it's trite but it doesn't try to indoctrinate anyone into anything so i can have a good time with it.
This is not the case in earthsea.

>>18619884
>probability trance
He got that one from Bakker

>>18619936
I know. I want more.

>>18619936
Bakker took it from Dune.

>>18619620
Because they are inferior to men and poison everything they touch.

>>18619949
Dune took it from the Chronicle of Aribel.

>Between women and men, women possess the lesser soul.
>Whenever the Eye opens, she glimpses the fact of this, the demand that women yield to the requirements of men, so long as those demands be righteous. To bear sons. To lower her gaze. To provide succor. The place of the woman is to give. So it has always been, since Omrain first climbed nude from the dust and bathed in the wind. Since Esmenet made herself a crutch for stern Angeshraël.

W-what did Bakker mean by this, b-bros? I thought Bakker was a male feminist...

>>18619949
Aw yeah, didn't realize it before, but it's basically the Mental Trance

>>18619998
Reminder that since Adam was created in the image of God, and woman was then created from Adam's rib, women are not directly in the image of God but are a derivative creation.

>>18619874
Why always her YA shit?

>>18620008
oh shit bakker writers christianity fanfiction? thats cool

>>18619881
Out of context. Every woman in Earthsea is trash without exception. Every white person isn't.

>>18619923
The white people in Earthsea are just palette swapped Mongols. Are you going to tell me slurs against Chechens are anti-white next?

>>18620015 Because that's all they've ever read from here and all they will ever read from her.

>>18619063
>>18619111
So this is the power of fanfiction.

>>18620335
Because you have to get 3 books into the Ekumen before it gets interesting, and that's a big ask for most people.

>>18620397
They don't really have much to do with each other and saying they are part of something larger is just a marketing ploy.

There are four types of people in this thread:
Torturers, Tortured, Voyeurs, and The Lost.

and my peanus weanus of course!

>>18620435
That's like saying you can skip all of Kipling and just read Kim or read Dracula without Carmilla. You can, but you won't understand the base of ideas the author is working with.

>>18620446
Lost Torturer, here.

Just started The Diamond Age. I like Stephenson, but his strength is clearly worldbuilding over characterization. Like with Snow Crash, I found the parts with the world explanation and YT street cruising to be better than Hiro and his dives into the metaverse and expositionary dumps

Do the parts dealing with the royalty get any better? Because the part when it came to the ship landing/island creation(?) was kinda a drag, but it's also very early in the book

>>18620451
Yes, yes, next you'll say, IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE BIBLE YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND A SINGLE WORK OF WESTERN LITERATURE! START WITH THE GREEKS!

>>18620465
not everyone has the mental faculties to absorb basic philosophical concepts through cultural osmosis anon

patrick gnomefuss

>>18620465

>>18619923
these days packing your work with nonwhite characters is your best bet to getting nominated for an award. SFF awards have become exercises in who can pack in the most diversity, not what's actually good or entertaining

>>18620469
>cultural osmosis
So I just start with the last 10 Hugo winners then?

>>18620550
no you just have to finish high school

>>18618662
>Discord
https://discord.com/invite/KWPCM7m

>Book Club Selection
Priest of Bones

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37884491-priest-of-bones
>The war is over, and army priest Tomas Piety heads home with Sergeant Bloody Anne at his side. But things have changed while he was away: his crime empire has been stolen and the people of Ellinburg--his people--have run out of food and hope and places to hide. Tomas sets out to reclaim what was his with help from Anne, his brother, Jochan, and his new gang: the Pious Men. But when he finds himself dragged into a web of political intrigue once again, everything gets more complicated.
> As the Pious Men fight shadowy foreign infiltrators in the back-street taverns, brothels, and gambling dens of Tomas's old life, it becomes clear:
> The war is only just beginning.

>>18620588
You mean the place where they say the Holocaust is real and the US dollar is backed by faith in the American economy?

>>18619063
I feel like Warhammer 40k with races like this could be commercially successful except you would definitely get canceled.

looking to catch up on my degen lit/authors

older works are fine

my list so far

pier anthony's xanth & space tyrant series
120 days of sodom
charles strauss (saturn's children & others)
ASOIAF
anita blake series
kushiel's dart series
altered carbon series (pretty tame tho, other than the body switching)

the more degen the better

recs i've found so far with lurking:
bakker
heinlein

what am i missing?

Hello,
I mostly read literary fiction, but I've become somewhat interested in scifi. What's some scifi that you would describe as "literary?" By that I mean challenging, taking on the big questions, and so forth. That is all, thank you.

>>18578674
>Didn't know the LotR books had "queer leanings".
It didn't. It's homophobic, actually.

"At last reluctantly Gandalf himself took a hand. Picking up a faggot he held it aloft for a moment, and then with a word of command, naur an edraith ammen! he thrust the end of his staff into the midst of it. At once a great spout of green and blue flame sprang out, and the wood flared and sputtered.
There they stood, stooping in a circle round the little dancing and blowing flames. A red light was on their tired and anxious faces; behind them the night was like a black wall.
But the wood was burning fast, and the snow still fell.
The fire burned low, and the last faggot was thrown on."

>>18620749
Fantasy<--------------->Sci-Fi
Big questions <> Materialist Speculation

>>18621005
don't care didn't ask

>>18620749
no matter how many books you read about big questions you'll never become a better or more complete person

>>18620749
Three Body Problem

>>18621043
No matter how many times you reply, none of it will matter.

>>18619620
goodreads exists so that even sandersoys have someone to look down on

>>18619620
Out of principle.

>>18620734
Gor

You have to get a long way into Anita Blake for the degeneracy to kick in. Like 8 books IIRC, and by that point it's a livejournal series. Piers Anthony has a similar problem but not as bad. I think he strikes the best balance in Apprentice Adept, which is pretty tame but lots of 'What if the child consents tho?' implied.

>>18620749
Brave New World
1984
We
The Handmaid's Tale
Neuropath
Hyperion
The Sparrow (assigned in seminaries)

>>18621189
The first four are mainstream enough that I figure you might know of them. After The Flood too.

The Sparrow is very good and looks at the Catholic Church going to bring Christ to aliens, but is more about the moral and social difficulties of spreading faith in alien cultures and how you can go astray. Also keeping faith in the face of faliure and adversity.

Neuropath is a speculative thriller about the implications of modern neuroscience and elimitavism. The author is a decent writer in other books but the prose here reads like a conventional thriller but the substance is great.

Hyperion is more literary, a retelling of the Canterbury Tales on an alien world in the far future. Also gets into the Binding of Isaac, although the Biblical interpretation isn't novel, just the delivery.

>>18620734
See >>18618911
Reverse harem

>>18621228
Why the fuck is Maas, of all people, being shilled here all of a sudden? Did she pay her publicist to raid 4chan or something? It's not going to catch on. The Bakkerposting got annoying at times, but at least it referenced a well written and interesting series.

Red pill me. Some of you said it was fantastic and some said it was just decent. Potential candidate for an audiobook for an upcoming road trip.

>>18620749
The Red Night Trilogy by William S. Burroughs
Never Let Me Go by Ishiguro, another literary author but much closer to the genre.
But those two are literary authors who happened to write sci-fi, rather than sci-fi that happened to have literary qualities.

Swanwick's Jack Faust and Vacuum Flowers. Iron Dragon's Daughter to a lesser degree.

Jack Vance's The Dying Earth, most of its literary qualities are the aesthetics of his writing more so than tackling of themes.
Tanith Lee's Night's Master for the same reasons. But calling it sci-fi is stretching it a bit.

>>18621267
Just a random autist who spams it once in a while.
If you look through the archives you can find other periods where he was spamming it.
Coincidentally, the little girl protagonist spam also always appears during those times.

>>18621293
Also is there a lot of sex? Having sex scenes play in my car sleeves me out a bit if they are graphic.

>>18621293
> young adult
> rated a 4.22 on GR
Just another non-challenging predictable read.

>>18620749

>>18620749
>Hello, I am extremely pretentious *posts pretentious looking pepe* do you have any pretentious sci-fi? By that I mean challenging and asking "big questions" (whatever that means), and whatever. I don't really care I just want people to think I'm smart when I tell them I read sci-fi

>>18619620
>golem and the jinn sequel
wooo
outside of that I've tried Tasha Suri (bit too much of a romance novel and the romance wasn't interesting me) and Dennard (genuinely fun first book with toned down sequels to force it into a YA niche)

>>18619620
There's a few women authors I like and none of them are represented here. I guess that's a sign I found the good ones.

>>18620749
You're using a dumb definition of literary that fits only like 10% of literary fiction I've read but read Dahlgren, Book of the New Sun or John Crowley

>>18621544
He's just a pseud who wants more props for his shelf pics to post on social media.

>>18621539
>and none of them are represented here. I guess that's a sign I found the good ones.
No those are just the new releases so it's just a sign you haven't read an author with a book coming out this month

I FUCKING HATE MEN
why are you fucks reading and writing more books
you're the reason why this market is dominated by females, you're the reason why I'm forced to read books written by females authors

I'm about to finish belgariad and holy shit ce'nedra is an insufferable little bitch. I don't know how she could redeem herself in the last few chapter of the last book .
I really liked the seri4es besides this one character but she made me almost dislike it in it's totality. The other women aren't anywhere near as toxic as her, and she doesn't seem to learnor change... EVER. Why must she be such an unabashed bitch?

>>18620749
Three Body Problem and its sequels
Dune, and especially God Emperor of Dune
Neuromancer
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep
Left Hand of Darkness
Childhood's End
2001

Any decent fantasy in which the main character follows a "Viking theme" -they can be not-Vikings as well_ they are usually relegated to bad guys or side kingdoms/characters that resemble them not at all.
I would like to read something that looks at the Norse and maybe their mythos trough a more neutral elnse.

>18621557
What did he mean by this?

>>18621608
Hist fic: The Long Ships or Red Orm (excellent)
Hist fic or is it fantasy?: Half-Drowned King (meh, DNF)
Fantasy: The black coast (decent)

Also its manga/anime but vinlabd saga is good. I'll add more if I remember it

>>18621638
Thanks, I have already read vinland sagas and enjoyed it until it went off the rail after the slavery arc.

>>18621638
Not him but i have know about the long ships for a while. Thing is i really can only read in English and most books translation are absolute shit. Is this the exception or should I not bother?

>"what then will seperate you from Winter Kay? Will you meet evil with evil?"
>"yes," said Gaise Macon.
HOLY KINO

lol his name is gays

I've finished the beligarad and I just hate that little bitch so fucking much, she is such a piece of shit. I will not be reading the sequels just because of that, the world is interesting enough, even if a bit too deterministic for my states, the characters are interesting enough the prose is decent, but I just don't want to read another passage with her in it.
I wouldn't mind if the book threated her shitness as something else than an endearing trait.

>>18618662

>>18622064
quote unquote ""

I want to write something with a degree of political intrigue like Dune, but I am lack the level of intelligence necessary to think up these complex character motivations and plans.

>>18620473
I know he's a dirty SJW, but dammit if he doesn't write well.

Do you guys think authors should talk politics outside of their books?

Some authors beat you over the head with it in their books which is annoying. I didn't feel that way in KKC series.

>>18618662
check em

>>18622208
Motivations are usually simple and tied to the situation of the character. Plans get more complicated the more obstacles exist between the character and what they want. Rather than working backward from a complicated scheme to the root cause, you should start with the root of it, of what the schemer is hoping to achieve, then come up with reasons why he can't simply get what he wants immediately.

I think I have so much trouble writing villains because I have tremendous difficulty writing characters that are intelligent, competent and capable. When I try to make someone sound sophisticated, it just comes off as cringeworthy and trying too hard to be cool.

>>18622553
why do your villains need to be intelligent, competent and capable? also does that mean your protagonists are idiots?

>>18619869
Left Hand of Darkness is a universally acclaimed masterwork by Ursula K LeGuin. And there are the works of Alice Sheldon of course, aka James Tiptree Jr.

>>18619903
>>18619919
Not only do you have terrible reading comprehension, you haven't read Earthsea. All she says in that afterword is "I wrote a completely conventional fantasy adventure story except the characters are brown instead of white like most fantasy casts were at the time, but you need to be paying attention to notice". This is notorious because she wrote that after she'd begun writing the sequel trilogy, which ARE explicitly feminist and very preachy about it. None of you read them or likely even knew they were significantly different to the first 3, though.

You have people like this spaz here >>18619923 talking about the "ideological goals" and "indoctrination" in the original Earthsea trilogy. What ideological goals and what indoctrination? You can make the case that it's trying to "indoctrinate" you into Le Guin's weird readings on some taoist-influenced concepts, but that is clearly not the argument being made. There's one retard >>18619919 saying A Wizard of Earthsea is "political" because Ged isn't white.

>>18622842
>villains need to be intelligent, competent and capable?
"Ye shall only have enemies to be hated, but not enemies to be despised. Ye must be proud of your enemies; then, the successes of your enemies are also your successes."

Weeks is the biggest hack I've ever seen, how did he even get published?
>“Elene gasped and sat up. "Kylar Thaddeus Stern!"
>Kylar giggled. "Thaddeus? That's a good one. I knew a Thaddeus once."
>"So did I. He was a blind idiot."
>"Really?" Kylar said, his eyes dancing. "The one I knew was famous for his gigantic-"
>"Kylar!" Elene interrupted, motioning toward Uly.
>"His gigantic what?" Uly asked.
>"Now you did it." Elene said, "His gigantic what, Kylar?"
>"Feet. And you know what they say about big feet." He winked lasciviously at Elene.
>"What?" Uly asked.
>"Big Shoes," Kylar said.”

Is there even one explicitely and delibelirately anti-feminist female fantasy or sf author? I might make an exception to my rule to read nothing written by a woman, if one such existed. Men might fall anywhere with their viewpoints, but women always appear to be made from the same mold.

>read early 2000s literature
>faggotry is called unnatural by characters who say it's not normal for men to hug and kiss one another
>read late 2010s literature
>authors openly invent characters for the sole purpose of being gay/lesbian/trans even in a medieval society where they'd have been persecuted
I'm getting pretty tired of this, what is the whitest, straightest fantasy series out there besides LOTR?

>>18621189
So you're a dystopian kind of dude? Read Swastika Night?

Any good novels with a little girl protagonist?

>>18623913
This one >>18619975

>>18623747
I dislike Weeks but he can at least be entertaining
Myke Cole is just outright shit

>>18623747
I didn't mind that. I didn't like reading all of the cuck shit.

>>18623830
There are orc shaped Maiar?

>>18623830
>half the chart is color-swapped elves
lame

>>18623064
You are very disingenuous you not only blind yourself to the clear political ideas in the text you outright lie about what people said.
The AUTHOR herself said her text is political, and that is what was said. But no "anons are saying it's political because it has no white protagonist, look at how racists they are".

It was fun

/lit/ what is the consensus on the long price quartet by daniel abraham? gr has high praise, though i have never read any of abraham's work

>>18621293
It's quite entertaining, a great audio listen because particularly the first book isn't very dense but it's a ton of fun.

>>18621301
No, there are a few off screen implied rapes, that's it.

>>18621310
I didn't find it predictable. The books does a bunch of paradigm shifts where it reverses where you think it's going. So you think it's this bare bones dystopia but then you're in this new, much different world 100 pages in. Then it switches over to abs Enders Game meets Hunger Games arena/academy fiction.

It was edited to be YA, which hurts it, but since it found an adult audience the later books are definitely not YA. Series only gets better

>>18624366
It's good, his other series is probably the stronger one of the two but both are good.

>>18624387
thanks anon, one further question, if you would were to describe the tone of the series who would it most correspond to? grrm, tolkien, vance, bakker, wolfe, lynch or abercrombie?

>>18624413
He's clearly heavily influenced by Martin but he mostly writes in a modern simple style more like lynch or abercrombie.

>>18624436
thanks anon, sourcing his work now

>>18624369
> over to abs Enders Game meets Hunger Games arena/academy fiction
> written in 2014
I was surprised and wondered if they were still doing that. But in 2014 it's just like any other dystopian YA series.

>>18624146
just googled it
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Boldog

>>18619869
Terra Ignota.

>>18619998
The God's aren't good by human standards, they are simply powerful. The eye sees Divine judgment, not human judgment. In fact human compassion moves Mimara to forgive even grievous sins when she grasps the totality of a person. Like Kellhus said, the Divine is monstrous.

Just finished Neverwhere and it was a pretty damn comfy read. Any recommendation on something similar length wise?

>>18624413
He's close friends with Martin and they collaborate. He has done game of thrones stuff for him.

>>18618662
Do you ever read anything that you almost certainly aren't going to like?

>>18619493
We've all consented to remain in this hell with each other.

>>18624907
I'm kinda dumb when reading so I sometimes don't realise I dislike stuff until I finish it. If I know I dislike something before then I just stop.
I just looked at my one star goodreads reviews and they're so angry at reading the entirety of a bad book that I almost don't recognise myself from my own writing lol.

>>18618662
Any decent SF released in decent years that's not the kind of stuff that gets talked about like the Expanse and shit?

>>18624960
I love Finder and have never seen anyone else talk about it.

>>18624960
Maybe I'll try to do something to answer this question.

>>18619458
Rendezvous with rama

>>18619869
Black sun rising is based.

>>18623747
I don't fucking care about his weak dialogue. The night angel trilogy was fun as fuck and a testament to the fact that fantasy shouldn't take itself so seriously

>>18625188
Night Angel took the cucking seriously, though.

>>18619869
Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell

>>18619874
>>18623030
>>18624790
>>18625112
>>18625216
>good

>>18625221
>american posters

>>18625195
Who got cucked? What are you even talking about retard?

>>18625234
damn...

>>18625221
>Only I can determine what is good
Kill yourself, my man

>>18625234
>Be a virgin, marry a virgin princess
>She gets killed on your wedding night before you can fuck her
>She's actually alive though and gets taken to another country
>She thinks you're dead too and marries another man
>She fucks him all the time and he gets her pregnant
>Finally get her back and she can fuck like a whore now
>You're still a virgin and plagued by feelings of inferiority
>Adopt the other man's kids as your own to your heirs
Did you forget the existence of Logan?

>>18625221
we get it, you hate women

>>18625256
Yes

>>18625234
>>18625250
There was also all the shit in book 2 about the married women who had to become prostitutes.

>>18618734
I hate how almost all the charts are literally a single person's taste pretending to be group consensus. The creator could at least be honest that they only represent their own taste.

Is Way of Kings the ideal place to start with Sanderson? My sister read it and keeps gushing about it

>>18625310
it's an insight into your sisters psyche

>>18625310
Depends on what "ideal" means to you.

>>18625310
Well if you're gonna read him it's best to read it first because he's got a pretty repetitive style.
First two books are good fun.

>>18625310
I will give you a pass for reading Sandersöi if it's in the service of making a move on your sister.

>>18625318
ideal meaning entry point to his work

>>18625334
in that case it's the ideal place to start on your sister

>>18625285
It's almost inevitable for self published works, because hardly anybody reads them. There ca be no group consensus if there is no group in the first place.

>>18625358
It's not only self-published, it's most anything in general.

>>18625382
welcome to culture wars
speak out or get fucked
it's not other people's responsibility to coddle to your taste

>>18625334
For your purpose it is.
Your purpose being "I want to talk to my sister about this and hopefully begin a continued dialogue about books."

>>18624357
I read the first two back when they were all the author had written and completely forgot to keep track of the new releases. Guess I'll have to start over. Granted this was roughly eight years ago but I do remember them being very fun

>>18625391
No, but it's rather pretentious for someone to someone to try to force their taste on others by pretending to be more than it is.

>>18625394
sure, and have some fun escapist fantasy

What do you even read after Bakker? What's left after that?

>>18625310
If you can stomach 1k pages it's a good place to start, but if you end up liking it and get interested in the cosmere you should read warbreaker before starting words of radiance

>>18625417
go hug your sister

>>18625285
>>18618734
Quit your bitching. It's an image anyone can edit and add to or change. Look, I just added a shitty book that is probably worse than anything else there and nobody can stop me. Anyone is free to suggest additions; the chart is not one individual's property, but a freely changeable image that belongs to all users here.

This kin of whining annoys the shit out of me because I made one such chart in the past while providing the .psd and everything for people of the general to edit, but literally no one did. What it actually comes down to is only 1 person actually having the motivation to actually bother working on something. Everyone else just whines and either has nothing to add or doesn't have the motivation to actually step up and implement any changes themselves.

tl;dr either shut up or actually make/suggest changes. Don't just whine that the person actually putting forth the effort to make a chart for the good of a community doesn't have ungodly comprehensive taste. That guy has been posting the chart frequently but I don't see anyone suggesting additions.

>>18625439
she lives in florida

>>18625480
so?

>>18625462
>literally no one did.
No one should expect anyone to do so.

Again, it's about what it's called, not what it contains.

>>18625489
shut up retard

>>18625496
That you feel unappreciated is your own problem.

>>18625489
are we being raided by americans?

>>18625432
Take a break from reading and think on the feelings, impressions, and ideas you were left with at the end. Then once you've processed all that you can move on to reading something else whether it be actual philosophy, the real history of the crusades, some other work of fiction or perhaps even horror. You could also consider keeping track of your thoughts in a journal

>>18625382
There is a good deal of consensus surrounding some of the major classics though, like LotR, BotNS, Hyperion, etc. Problem is, those largely undisputed greats aren't a lot of books and once you venture outside that realm, opinions fray and everyone reads, likes and hates different stuff.

>>18625507
Where do you think we are?

>>18625507
we're literally always being raided by Ameriacns, anon.

>>18625250
Who cares about Logan? Was he your self-insert or something lol. Dorian was a much cooler character and deserved every gash he penetrated

>>18625274
How is this cucking? Literally what happens in war when an occupying force has crushed the defenders. It wasn't as if elene was getting blacked while kylar was forced to watch or something

>>18625510
Good suggestions. I'm also thinking about trying to focus on writing instead of reading for a while.

>>18625512
Consensus among whom? Certainly not readers in general.

>>18625482
i don't...

>>18625532
time to move in with her then

Anything here that requires others to contribute in any way is doomed to fail.

>>18625537
humidity is a terrible thing for one as dainty as me

>>18625432
Cûjara-Cinmoi was kind of a dick. In fact his arrogance doomed the Nonmen.

The Inchoroi did nothing wrong. They were merely following their hard-coded biological directives.

>>18625557
Are you saying the fundamental social structure of humans is doomed to fail?

>>18625558
sacrifices must be made for the pursuit of one's love

>>18625614
Not that anon, but I think he’s saying that anything that gets posted in /sffg/ requiring interaction from other anons is doomed to be derailed viciously.

This is one of the most petty and combative generals on all the chans. Funny that anons get so seemingly worked up over books about magic and space aliens.

>>18625628
Oh I know. I was just taking his vast generalization at face value to be a bit of a dick handily proving your second sentence

>>18625523
Mate you can admit to like cuckoldry, just stop pretending this shit isn't in the books and stop defending it.
Cucking also happens in real life.

>>18625667
anon, not admitting is part of the fetish

>>18625614
Yes. There is no way to see it otherwise.

>>18625489
>No one should expect anyone to do so.
It's a /sffg/ chart. All of /sffg/ can freely modify it. The final form is the result of an implicit consensus of /sffg/ as a whole; if nobody wants to change it, then that's /sffg/'s will. That's how all of 4chan charts are.

Also, it's not about being underappreciated, it's about people with full power to change things whining instead of doing anything. It's very liberal and SJW and snowflake, if I dare use such coarse language.

>>18625432
If you like the grimdark setting you might like The Black Company, Prince of Thorns, or Beserk.

>>18625742
No one really wants to edit the works of others. Have you? As far as I can tell most people see any given chart in its final form that ought only to be altered by the creator. Most people don't have any interested in altering a book that's been published. You're fundamentally mistaken if you think the charts are collaborative except when they are explicitly created together by group rather than by an individual.

>>18624444
Checked but have to disagree. The second and third books aren't YA and are the most exciting military sci-fi I've read.

>>18625773
stop being such an american

>>18625782
Read a few chapters.
Yes they are YA you fucking child.

>>18625823
Dear Anon,
Please consider being less abrasive.
Yours Truly,
Basic Human Decency

>>18625764
Those don't have the depth of Bakker, though.

>>18625773
>Have you?
I just did to demonstrate.
>As far as I can tell most people see any given chart in its final form that ought only to be altered by the creator.
Then they're wrong, and the chart in question here is obviously incomplete, with plenty of space left. Not to mention, even with a "only the creator can change it" mindset, you're still better off recommending changes than just whining aimlessly about it existing under the label of /sffg/ at all.

And you're missing the point, really. The problem isn't whether they're collaborative in practice or not. The problem isn't what most people think about charts. The problem is that YOU could change the chart if you want, but instead you just complain, contributing nothing. That's dumb and unproductive behavior. You have an opportunity to contribute; if you don't want to, fine, but don't wine about it in the same breath.

>>18625849
I think the time has come for you to graduate this general and join the rest of the good anons on this board in huffing your own farts

>>18625869
So criticism isn't allowed unless a person is actively contributing?

>>18625879
I'm not ready yet. I still need to have depth presented to me in a cool fantasy package.

>>18625869
>That's dumb and unproductive behavior
That's the basis of all 4chan interaction, if not the Internet in general.

>>18625888
Criticism of this nature, yes. You only look lazy and/or annoying when you complain about the state of something that is within your power to change. All of /sffg/ can step forward to change the chart if they want to, whether that be directly or through change suggestions. If no one does, then it's not the original chart maker who's at fault. /sffg/ has only themselves to blame, and the critic should whine at /sffg/ as a whole, not the chart maker.

>>18618732
I'll trust you and give it a go right now. I already have those on my kindle. I'm not a girl and most of times, I hate female authors.

>>18625764
Kino.

>>18625910
Nice way to absolve anyone who does anything of any responsibility to anyone other than their self.

My fantasy novel (1500 pages) will be a combination of Bakker, Crime & Punishment, and Blood Meridian (not his prose though), and will exposit the teachings of The Denial of Death by Ernest Becker. What say ye?

>>18625936
Subpar LARP

>>18625936
bgfbcvbcvbtrshsrhrhbcfrmnvccvcb

oh sorry I just fell asleep and planted my face into the keyboard

>>18625924
To be clear, this is a minor issue regarding community interaction. It's a chart on 4chan. It takes a few seconds to edit the chart, and only a few seconds to type up recommended changes. That's why whining and criticizing makes someone look so bad. I'm not saying this as a universal applicable law where anyone who does anything has no responsibility and other people are obligated to fix every mess without complaining. Try not to lose yourself in abstract context; keep your mind focused on the issue at hand.

>>18625940
It's no LARP, anon. This is my life's work.
>>18625941
Preemptively filtered.

>>18625936
sounds like hamfisted pseudointellectual word salad so you already know you have an audience here

>>18625944
You aren't considering the overall logistics in the slightest.
All that really matters is which version is continually posted or what people know about.
It doesn't matter what changes are made, even by the original creator, if that version is never seen by others.
That's why they are continually posted, to maintain mindshare.
It's a lot more effort than you make it out to be in general.

>>18625954
It may be pseudointellectual but I guarantee I have a plot in which it makes sense.

>>18625949
> This is my life's work
That's only what you think for right now.

>>18625849
Berserk is Bakker-worthy in themes and depth.

>>18625936
Based, I will purchase a copy if you manage to finish it and shill it here.

>>18626000
The Japanese work worthy of comparison to Bakker is this though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9FUr0mVuq4

>>18626000
manrape is the deepest philosophical matter of our age or any age

>>18625432
Paradise Lost.

>>18625974
Now this is some shifting the goalposts. You're trying to say your changes, or recommendations, won't be lasting so they don't matter, and you might as well whine? That's bold considering you didn't even try before throwing in the towel. Go ahead, recommend some changes to the chart. Or make changes of your own, presumably meaningful ones instead of the intentionally bad one I added just to prove a point. See if they last. Actually try first before just saying there's no point and whining endlessly.

>>18626023
Deep breaths, Anon.
Maybe you should play vidya instead of taking out your anger on this thread.
The same goes for many of you.

>>18626023
I have before, for that chart specifically, several times.

>>18626033
If you aren't here to vent, then you're here for the wrong reasons.

>>18626033
I'm not mad in the least. I just disagree with the guy and am expressing why. There's some harsh language, but that's only because accurately describing the situation forces me to describe it as whining. I think one problem with discourse online is that any thorough or descriptive disagreement is considered inherently angry or a waste of time. I think it's fine to disagree with someone and explain why. It's a fundamental part of communication.

>>18626000
A shame it will never be finished

>>18626038
have you? why didn't you post then instead of whining?

>>18624817
Please my dear only friend I need another escapism method to deal with my suicidal tendency

>>18626055
For what purpose is there to spam the same thing about the same image every time? That just annoys people in the thread.
Sure, here's one example.
Martha Wells - All Systems Red was never self-published.
>>/lit/thread/S14999427#p15016356
I could link to various other times as well about both self-published charts.

>>18626072
the only one annoyed here is you
stop being an american

>>18626138
Duly noted.

If posting quality doesn't start to improve I'm going to start replying to myself

>>18618734
Here is the fixed version.

>>18626184
>implying that we haven't already been doing that

>>18626184
>he doesn't know
anon, it's just you and me here

>>18626205
>>18626198
>>18626184
all me

[Spoiler]tfw no necromancer gf who will skin countless women to become your perfect waifu[/Spoiler]

>>18626220
wanna try that again?

>>18626220
Oh no, case sensitive problems strike again.

I'm sorry I screwed up

>>18626245
you still chose the 5kb pic for ants

How do spoilers work?

boskeletonrp

>>18626225
>>18626239
>>18626245
>>18626249
>>18626252
>>18626257
This is why we can't have nice things. There's no reason to attack someone for making a mistake.

>>18626274
don't be so sensitive anon, we're all family here

>>18626000
Where should you stop with this? I don't have it in me to read ~40 volumes of a manga. I've heard that the Golden Age arc is the best part. It seems like that ends with Volume 13?

>>18626286
>It seems like that ends with Volume 13?
Upon further examination it looks like they put the last few chapters at the beginning of Volume 14. Lame.

>>18626286
You shouldn't even begin.It doesn't begin with Golden Age btw.

>>18626220
>>18626245
I was gonna put this on my ereader next time I added books

>>18626327
>You shouldn't even begin.
I am indeed hesitant.
>It doesn't begin with Golden Age btw.
I noticed that. I thought it might be a good place to stop though.

>>18618662
Can anybody recommend me any series involving infection-style apocalypse scenarios? Maybe something in the vein of The Thing?

I'm also wondering if there is any 40K style series out there that isn't actually 40K, and actually has a cohesive narrative.

>>18625839
>>>reddit

>>18626344
>>18626286
Not sure why you would find 40 volumes of manga to be an insurmountable task especially after reading Bakker. Berserk is well worth the full read imo and actually ends at a pretty good spot all things considered not to mention that manga goes by fairly quickly and isn't especially verbose being a mostly visual medium. I'd at least recommend giving it a shot and deciding where to stop based on your enjoyment rather than giving yourself some arbitrary ending place before you even know if you like it

>>18626344
If you finish Golden Age you're probably going to want to continue on at least through Lost Children.

Conviction is awesome though.

>bakker"chads" getting filtered by a teenagers comic
oh no

>>18625510
That or something totally different. It's always interesting to me when a person reads something, enjoys it and then immediately wants more exactly like it.

>>18626455
I don't enjoy manga and never have. Reading this, if I did, would be a singular exception.

>>18624817
>>18626067
China Mieville - Kraken
Sandman by Gaiman is great too if you haven't read it

>>18626566
>China Mieville
I don't think I've read some more disliked as a person yet universally recommended as an author.

>>18626579
>universally
Before the allegations it was just a couple of seething pol posters

>>18626579
Congrats on finding out that a lot of artists are lefties

>>18619869
I'm reading The Curse of Chalion atm and it's pretty good. Curious how the books gonna tie up

Do you have to read Malazan in order? I hear it doesn't jump from place to place per book, so keeping it linear necessary?

>>18619869
I could probably get to 50 off the top of my head.
Maybe down to 30 if you limit me to 1 book per series or author
Might actually be longer than the top of my head male author list

>>18626866
Imagine having taste this bad

>>18626875
Imagine being this desperate with a post.

>>18626884
There aren't even 50 good SFF novels written by men.

>>18626866
You can actually get to 55 books I like just from doing Bujold and Czerneda
I've never read much of her but if you like and respect Cherryh, as many people do, you can actually get over 50 without even going into her less well known series' and standalones

>>18626887
You need to back to /lit/.

>>18626890
It's pretty funny how /lit/'s been going for ages now and the outerlit trend is still to call everything bad because it's the only way you can actually post about stuff you haven't read without immediately being caught out.

>>18626890
>>18626895
I'm just extremely picky about what I read and would rather reread something great than read something mediocre and new.

>>18626895
/lit/ isn't for reading. It's funposting for sophisticates.

>>18626910
was it autism?

>>18626926
Probably.

>>18625628
Some generals on /vg/ are much more abhorrent than sffg can ever hope to be.

>>18619869
Talk about a loaded question.....

>>18621392
Loool

>>18627344
It's the answers he deserves.

>>18627254
How is that any better?

>>18626184
Bakkerfags already do it, I don’t see how you’re any special.

>>18621392
Animorphs was actually pretty good. You might wonder how that's possible when the author is a woman, but it turns out the series was secretly co-written by her husband.

New thread
>>18627415

>>18626455
not bakkerfag but berserk is overrated trash

>>18625107
No, though that was a great book.

>>18621293
It's very good.