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He is a Ben Shapiro tier grifter without the self control and discipline, ironically.
>good and nuanced parts
Give concrete examples with excerpts.

>>18615680
>He is a Ben Shapiro tier grifter without the self control and discipline, ironically.
He's not a political commentator
>Give concrete examples with excerpts.
Fucking hell I'm not noting down page numbers as I'm reading him so I can prove to dumbasses like you on /lit/ you're full of shit. Why don't you actually read at least one of his books before you start making character judgements based on what you assume his beliefs are.

>>18615665
>especially considering how much you faggots suck Nietzsche’s and Jung’s dicks
those are not american

>>18615665
Lol you might be misdirecting your salt. Hardly any takes here on peterson because he is irrelevant.

>>18615694
>makes a thread about a book, gets questioned once and strawmans. Ngmi

>>18615665
>JBP is really not that bad guys!!!
>you all just strawman him >:(((((((
>hes n u a n c e d
>bruh its not like hes TRYING to be a popular philosopher he just happens to be on tour giving lecture about reality, nbd obviously
>You all are just stuck up pricks anyway
>(hes smarter than you btw because HE READS)

Maps of Meaning is a good book in its field (Jungian archetypes) but his political turn owes nothing to his scholarly work and even contradicts it at points.

>>18615694
>He's not a political commentator
JP comments on politics all the time. He's most famous for commenting on politics.

>>18615694
>He's not a political commentator
kek nice bait

>>18615694
>I'm not noting down page numbers as I'm reading him
Come back when you finish the book and can actually talk about it :^)

>>18615701
Didnt he say something like "I cant answer that" when someone from the audience brought it up lol

After devolving into a fit of muttering about how cool he was in 2016, Peterson began shaking uncontrollably, then broke down crying in front of his interviewer.

As the interviewer tried consoling Peterson about how great his accomplishments were, Peterson began crying even harder, then began describing how important of a person he is because he reminded a generation of buckos to regularly rinse their phalluses with water and soap.

https://youtu.be/kzOn9M2Kucw

@ 14:45 he begins breaking down as he describes the relentless bullying he receives on twitter, saying he can't even sign into his account any longer.

Between 24:00 and 27:00 his eyes overflow with tears and he begins sobbing as he explains how important his penis washing advice has been for the world.

The interviewer, Rex Murphy, looks on in confusion and mild panic, clearly thinking to himself "what even is this shit", then begins trying to talk Peterson down from the ledge by telling him that his cousin enjoyed his book.

It's over.

Reminder that Jordan Griffinson worked for the U.N.

>>18616738
my God, he broke. In his defense, he clearly is challenged, but even then. Funny how all of his fans are a bit like him, and the more they like him, the more they are like him. He writes simple for simple people, so I really don't see a problem, just wished he got to the next level, but yeah after that I don't think so.

>>18616738
Imagine being 10 or 11 year old little Mikhaila
> Daddy! I'm scared! I'm so scared. I just had an awful nightmare :( and they happen every night
> Please, help ....
and your papa's response is to put you on the maximum dose of Prozac

>>18615665
i tend to agree with you. /lit/ and 4chan at large do this shit with every author. you will routinely find retards trivializing cervantes and dostoevsky just because they lack either the brain cells to understand the work or the maturity to realize that not everyone shares the same vision

>>18616732
"I can't do it..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLnP0nJLl0E

>>18615665
He maybe reads a lot, but I had always the impression that he just tries do get knowledge to defend his faith. His whole life seems to be a journey to be the man who can be the advocate for his religion in a way that even intellectuals take it seriously. But I don't take this kind of approach seriously because he already had the answer before he asked the question.

As described before, Peterson is a Evolutionary Pragmatist. For him, the absolute good is evolution; the truth is our adaptive behaviour to a given enviroment. As for God:
>>18617419
He doesn't even believe in God(s) as a perfect, imutable, omniscient, etc. or, better said, Pure Existence.
For him God is: the wisdom of thousands of years of evolution (adaptive instincts); the voice of consciousness and virtue (evolutionarily adaptive); the future we sacrifice ourselves to (pass on genes); the hierarchies of reproductive fitness (natural selection).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVkOfa0EUwU&t=217s
Until 6:17

>>18617476
Like I said, he changed the definition so that academia will take him seriously. He's still pro christian morals, but argues on a psychological level. He's too scared to say that he believes in something unprovable, that's why he is doing all this mumbo jumbo.

>>18617520
>He's still pro christian morals
Judeo-Christian, has he would say it; he's a very good goy ;)
>He's too scared to say that he believes in something unprovable
Honestly? He's mentally fragile; here's him crying about Jesus and saying that he his amazed at his own belief:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbVwV8_TEkM

To be honest, it's "in" to hate on JP because he's a popular contemporary intellectual.
I actually read some of his books, and he has some original ideas, his arguments are well constructed, he's not as bad as people here make him out to be.
I also listened to some of his lectures, and his analysis of the Bible, and what he says is pretty spot on.

By my observations, I feel like /lit/ is full of pseuds, and they create this false intellectual elite narrative where JP cannot be an intellectual because his message is well received within the incel community.
I find this reasoning absolutely retarded. People who hate of JP either didn't read him, or are posting ironically.
It's just that newfags think it's hip to denigrate everything on 4Chan, like mindless contrarians. That has been a problem on 4Chan for years.

>>18615665
>he is just a psychiatrist
I don't really value psychiatry, it will never be a real science. I think JP's works are ok. I think his ideas are valuable to a lot of forgotten men who were hit hard by the single-mum epidemic (or just had fathers that never really imparted any fatherly wisdom on them). I don't think there's anything that sets JP above other university lecturers as far as intellectualism goes, he just got famous/lucky trolling trannies and profited on it. If anything he's a better business man than he is an intellectual, but that goes for all "intellectuals"

>>18615701
Has anyone here read it? Is it valid?

>>18617384
What a talented psychologist, putting his child on drugs rather than trying to solve the problem through therapy.

>>18617666
>it's "in" to hate on JP because he's a popular contemporary intellectual.
there are plenty of valid reasons to hate him, satan.
Such as the webm here >>18617384
And him LARPing that he believes in God (or a transcendent force) >>18617476

>>18617384
she never had a chance, getting hooked on happy pills before graduating elementary school

>>18617418
That's a better answer than most IMO. He heard him out without judgement, acknowledged it was a difficult question, and then told him he couldn't give a good response (for many reasons as you can imagine). It's honest.

>>18615665
>they actually do contain some good and nuanced parts and ideas
we know. the important thing to note about that is this: all the good in JBP's books can be readily found in other, superior self help books
>Not everyone is trying to be the next fucking Hegel or William James and I don’t think he’s trying to be anyway
Maybe not the next Hegel (he doesn't even know who Hegel is) but he's damn sure trying to be someone very important and noteworthy.
>If you people weren’t so far up your own asses you would like him
kek
>you faggots suck Nietzsche’s [...] dick
yeah because Nietzsche actually had something interesting to say. Incidentally, JBP is an atrocious reader of Nietzsche and completely misses the core of his philosophy
>It would be fine to make fun of him for not having any groundbreaking ideas if he was pretentious and acted like he did but he doesn’t
but he does, anon
>it’s you all who are pretentious
speak for yourself anon

>>18616738
I would sympathise more if he didn't deliberately court fame. He says himself in that interview that he had less press interest in him for the past two months because he shut himself off from it. He's the one who immediately started pumping out videos and advertising his programmes and taking every interview invitation around the whole world. I wonder if he has some kind of saviour complex where he thinks his message is so profound that he has to be in the media spotlight all the time, then feels like a martyr when it's too much for him.

>>18618187
>I wonder if he has some kind of saviour complex where he thinks his message is so profound that he has to be in the media spotlight all the time, then feels like a martyr when it's too much for him
You hit the nail on the head. He thinks he can and has to save "the West", as if it needs saving

>>18618187
A combination of multiple things
1. He's old now
2. He might have long-term weakness from covid, which he got from his daughter, which leads to my next point
3. Mikhaila has her own podcast, which has defacto become Jordan's platform

>>18617384
>webm
holy shit that's fucked

>>18618814
i think it's funny desu

>>18617911
what pills are you exactly refering to when you mention "happy pills" and post that list?

>>18618180
tell me channel 4 lit larper what is the core of nietzsches philosophy?

>>18618886
I'll tell you what it definitely isn't, as that's actually much more doable in the confines of a 4chan post, it's definitely not a return to Christian morality because you're too cucked and zonked on benzos to create your own values

>>18618187
that is how he makes money u monkey, that is his job

the answers in this thread are so dumb, are lit and pol frequented by the same middle schoolers?

>>18618895
thank you 4 channel lit larper for all the buzzwords and insults, you proved my point now move on loser

>>18618903
>all the buzzwords
what you mean cucked? that's one.
>insults
literally what

>>18615665
Fresh take on JBP. Its for someone to finally stand up and defend his reputation here. The amount of brainlets and pseuds cannot fucking help but be jealous of his popularity and success so they just do character assassinations of him to continue their inbred circle jerk.

>sucks on Neetch and Jung’s dick 99% of the time
Absolutely. Never has there been a week where I do not see a single Nietzcshe post in this damn channel.

>>18618995
>>18615665
> Neetch cocksuckers

I rest your cases.

>>18619014
poor Arthur, he looks so happy. So sad to think about the happiness he missed out on

>>18615680
>He is a Ben Shapiro tier grifter without the self control and discipline, ironically

That's rather cold man. Ben is a fucking Kapo and probably doesnt believe anything he says. He should have his hands cut off for talking his sweet sister into grifting.

Peterson is probably autistic. He over reacted to Canada's trans speech laws. Then young contrarians saw that and treated him like a messiah. He's overhyped and stubborn but not that bad.

For the most part he's just repeating shit from Man's Search for Meaning and Joseph Campbell

>>18619042
if there's even one IDW cuck who actually believes the shit he says it's Ben Shapiro. That's not to say he's honest, he hides his true motivations of course but he's as through and through ultra conservative as they come

>>18618187
>would sympathise more if he didn't deliberately court fame

This is the nature of modern academia. Publish or die

>>18618209
>Mikhaila has her own podcast, which has defacto become Jordan's platform

Isnt she like, a dumbass?

>>18619051
>through ultra conservative as they come

Everytime I hear him talk it makes my head feel like bees are in it and fucking. He looks a d sounds like Mandark from dexter's lab.

I'm not even that liberal but his arguments are just bad. He intentionally misrepresents the opposition. He's not even arguing against real lib bullshit. It's all silly shit in his head

>>18619136
>I'm not even that liberal but his arguments are just bad. He intentionally misrepresents the opposition. He's not even arguing against real lib bullshit. It's all silly shit in his head
this. completely agree

>>18615665
I'm one of the losers who's life was saved by this guy.
I was a full-on NEET, no friends, no life, no plan. I was spending all my time in bed, I was stealing alcohol from my parents to make the days pass quicker, my head was such a mess that I didn't even have a soul; I was just a meat-robot on autopilot pretending to be human. Sort of like a psychedelic ego-death, but not at all fun.
It was around this time that I discovered Jordan Peterson and the hit jrpg videogame series Persona (not joking.)
Listening to Jordan Peterson's lectures on Jungian psychology helped me to understand what I was going through, and why my experiences had traumatised me in the way that they had. He also helped me to realise that I have a duty to look after myself, and I don't need an outside force to give me a reason to live.
Persona helped me on the philosophical side of things. It's also based on Jung's work, but it takes a more esoteric approach. In particular Persona 3's answer to nihilism, that you should struggle for the sake of struggling really hit home with me, and Persona 4 has a part about the fact that there's no such thing as the "real you" and you decide what your personality is.

This was all about three years ago, and now I have a job, a house, a fiance, and I'm generally a much better person. I'm kinder to people, I'm more patient, I'm more charismatic and interesting (it helps that I actually have hobbies now) and at the end of the day, no matter what people say about JBP being a hack or a fraud or a grifter or whatever, he is the main reason I didn't kill myself.

Sorry for the ramble, I just wanted to tell my story.

Could be worse. 4chan could have been around when Ayn Rand was hot shit. God, could you imagine dupshits quoting her all the time because her autism justifies selfishness?

>>18619197
I'd honestly really like to see every lolbertarian shrug off contemporary US society like they see themselves doing in their John Galt fantasies and move to Alaska/live off the land.

>>18619206
The really funny thing about ayn rand was that she was a ugly hot topic girl 50 years to early. She thought serial killers were just neto. And to think half the political right treats her books like scripture.

>>18618899
His job is a clinical psychology professor, his income didn't come from media appearances beforehand. It quite literally was not his job.

>>18619085
His media appearances and putting himself in the global spotlight aren't his academic career. Unless you think getting a self-help book published is the same as getting published in a journal and being cited.

>>18618944
Well, you insulted his parasocial surogate father. That's what happens with every one of these kids, that's how they process the critique of Peterson. My parents divorced when I was 6 and even I'm not that fucked. On the other hand, it must be fun being an incel, there are so many videos of your dad online and you're always just a few click away from him telling you to clean your room :)

>>18615665
>>18617749
He is not a psychiatrist.

>>18619282
>parasocial surogate father.
that's all JBP ever was or will be.
God I'm so glad I had a great father. Otherwise I might have ended up a Peterson bro

>>18619174
Based asf anon, you made it.
Now keep it up :)

>>18619136
>He's not even arguing against real lib bullshit
yeah, he argues from a modernist POV
>>18619174
That's good to hear anon! But you do understand people's critiques against him, yes?

>>18619343
I don't really know the criticisms, desu.
I think he chats a lot of shit when he goes outside his field (diet is a big example). I agree with him that postmodernism is a problem, but I'm not sure if he really knows what he means by postmodernism. I don't think he's insincere, though. I think he's being genuine when he talks about stuff and isn't just trying to get cheap money like some people say. I also don't really get why he's so pro-capitalism (not that he shouldn't be, I just don't understand his reasoning behind it) other than that hierarchies with upward mobility are generally a good thing.

At the end of the day I think his rules for life are good advice, and he definitely helps a lot of people, but I don't keep up with him these days. I think I've gotten what I needed from him and can move on elsewhere.

>>18619393
>At the end of the day I think his rules for life are good advice, and he definitely helps a lot of people, but I don't keep up with him these days. I think I've gotten what I needed from him and can move on elsewhere.
Beautiful.

>>18619224
>Unless you think getting a self-help book published is the same as getting published in a journal and being cited.

It is to college admin

>>18619393
>I just don't understand his reasoning behind it) other than that hierarchies with upward mobility are generally a good thing.

He isnt pro capitalism or hierarchies. Saying that a thing is a thing that exists iant the same as supporting it.

He's been pushed to be more clear and he pretty much supports socialism. He believes in regulation that helps keep things more fair.

>>18619465
I don't mean to imply that he was defending the caste system or anything but he's definitely spoken against trying to get rid of hierarchy. Not just because it's impossible but also because it removes insensitive for people to improve themselves.

>>18617911
>vyvanse

based, thanks for getting me through undergad

>>18615665
He does act like he's on the level of Hegel or James. Sure his message is 'simple' but we both know that he bookends that message with hours long ill defined drivel.

>>18615665
>Your all’s
Stopped reading

>>18619136
>sounds like Mandark from dexter's lab.
Kek true

I'm assuming this isn't bait
>>18615665
>I guarantee he’s read more than 99% of you fucks anyway.
>Has the gall to debate Zizek about marxism: proceeds to skim the communist manifesto 10 years ago and calls it a day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzQ3SSpiQvQ
His world view is pretty myopic. This is a very good video, if anyone cares.

https://youtu.be/uWXxlYzBCno

He's a pill dispenser who learnt how to court right wingers

>>18617911
Given she's got auto-immune problems, that list makes sense.

>>18619091
Yes. I remember one excerpt from his latest book hinting at Jordan getting rather pissed with her at some point. I like his content, but she's a complete shitshow. Granted, she also grew up with major health problems and I imagine that's not exactly great for your mental health. Still, her charging for lessons on her all-meat diet nonsense is complete grifting. I understand being on an elimination diet because of auto-immune problems, but trying to charge money as if she has any authority on the matter is extremely scummy.

>>18617476
>Evolutionary Pragmatist
I'm gonna make more use out of this term, given that it's pretty much my stance on the issue.

>>18617861
>And him LARPing that he believes in God (or a transcendent force)
Not really. His stance is that God is basically an idea that people dedicate their lives to. He's basically a tulpa that went mainstream. A living meme if you will.

>>18619091
Most podcasters are. She fits right in.

>>18619305
Meh, I knew plenty of guys who grew up without fathers and didnt turn into weak little lady men in need of an internet grifter to teach them to clean their room.

Anyone who talks shit has never watched any of his lectures or is a complete fucking commie faggot.

>>18615665
I don't care even if he read the whole library at UT. He's got nothing worth listening too.

>>18619573
the only people who want to get rid of hierarchy are the most radical of anarchists, idk why he talks about it so much.

>>18615680
He definitely doesn't deserve to get pigeonholed with Shapiro or god forbid Crowder. Those guys are just complete fucking spergs.

>>18622835
It's also kind of a standard "I haven't looked into it but it sounds about right" opinion that you see on Reddit or in modern politics. It's worth pointing out to people who might not realise how radical they're actually being

>Watched his last Q&A
He still seems like he's struggling a lot and nothing he says seems new.

>>18615665

His psychology stuff is compelling but idk anything about it, certainly haven't read any critiques in-field about it, so idk.

His philosophy is meh at best.

His political opinions are insipid.

This is the word of the lord.

>>18615665
irl Ned Pointsman lmao

>>18619042
Nah, he underreacted. He thought liberalism could solve trannyism and so coaxed countless young men away from the right. In so doing he ensured that we now have tranny laws, tranny crosswalks, mandatory tranny dating, and men getting arrested when they refuse to call their son she.

>>18619174
Very cringe.
Sucked back into softserfing yourself right before the collapse.
This will completely destroy you and countless others in the next few years. Which is why Peterson is pure evil.
'If you want to destroy a man...'

>>18624746
incel seethe

>>18624762
Who are you quoting?

the main reason people hate him here is because they want to prove their superiority, but obviously Peterson isn’t a controversial or radical figure for most. he has brought up interesting points to people who don’t read much though and even though i’m no longer a fan i’m happy he exposed me to a lot more books

I read one of his books at the height of his popularity, and seen a few of his lectures. As far as I can tell, most of what he says can be found in any self-help schlock. He doesn't offer any groundbreaking insights. Then again, I'm a bit older than the (I asumme) average age demographic on this board -young 18-24 year old- and life teaches you most of the lessons you need to learn in order to survive one way or another.

All that being said, if you can get value out of what he preaches, then good. I don't think it matters if he himself is a grifter, hypocrite, or can't live up to his own ideals. There's no human alive that isn't a hypocrite on some level. Old Ted gets preached about on here for his work but wanted to become a tranny himself. If you're someone who genuinely needs guidance, then I don't think there's any harm in taking what he says to heart if it can offer you what you need. Especially if you're lacking a father figure to align you.

>>18624762
Lmao fuck off incel

>>18615665
do you have a thing for public humiliation