/lit/ - Literature

DEBOONKING

>>18587110
bait, shit thread incoming, don't ask here

This book is already debunked by this skeptic podcast

https://seriouspod.com/sio284-debunking-the-end-of-gender-part-1/

Her work is based on flawed, long-debunked pseudoscience

https://theconversation.com/why-rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria-is-bad-science-92742

>>18587176
>>18587193
Ah yes, What is some science or theory i can read which can help me check my privilege and learn more about the awful plight the diverse and vibrant culture of these warm body politically correct victimhood unit NPCs i mean these most noble and progressive of creatures?Any lgbt/queer theory/ transgender/ cultural marxism books you would recommend to a white male who is trying to overcome his deepseated heteronormative prejudices? I am aware that these wise and noble creatures have lots of things to teach us, but I can't get over this feeling of dread whenever they come marching in with their rainbows and dildos and 7 year old drag queens. Which makes me feel horribly guilty, knowing the institutional hatred and discrimination the poor dears face every day.

>>18587110
People will shill against Soh because she BTFOs trannies.
>>18587193
That article was written by a jew who intentionally misrepresents Soh's points.

>>18587193
I trust this person

>>18587240
That's a man

>>18587193
Its not that i hate trannies or gays but the unbearable horror of mass biopolitics and psychiatric power and propaganda. contrast the old notion'queer' identities as countercultural, exposing the 20th century nuclear family as an artificial biopolitical norm. To now where 'queer' identities, are used to re-legitimize those supposedly discredited notions about the 'authentic self', as the pre-ideological truth of the subject that must be discovered through 'objective', 'scientific' authority and made public. And how sexual liberation is an imperative because all sexual impulses must be exploited and made into a commodity and there is no room for ambiguity and you cant talk about how identity is always messy and based on trauma. how everything is instrumentalized for electoral ends.

I don't read books written by women.

>>18587193
I mean have you tried bringing up nietzsche or any western philosopher for that matter around your local lgbtsjwtfnpc marxist cattle? In no time you will see their beady stupid cowlike eyes light up in panic. Soon enough they will start with the usual subhuman bleating "wasnt he sexist? Arent you being dangerously eurocentric? Hasnt it been deboonked as fake news russian bot pseudoscience?Why read books by dead white men when you could have been streaming the latest diverse and inclusive workplace comedies at netflix hulu and disneygo? Didnt you know reading antything beyond YA literature is ableist towards people who are too retarded to read? How does this further the short term electoral goals of the democratic party? Are you saying child sex workers arent real sex workers?Have you been taking your SSRIs and HRT? it is very important that you take the medication dr goldstein prescribed otherwise we will report you to corporate for mandatory sensitivity training as per the domestic terrorism act of 2021"

>>18587240
cute

>>18587261
the person in your pic is probably 100x more well read than you

https://www.goodreads.com/review/list/100867863

>>18587249
>e 20th century nuclear family as an artificial biopolitical norm.

What was artifical about it? 'Queer' was never subversive to any power structure, it was simply about stuffing your anus with poppers and claiming that normal working people were akin to some nebulous power structure because they had healthier lifestyles that didn't revolve around the rectum.

>>18587272
>https://www.goodreads.com/review/list/100867863

YA fiction and Intro to Post-colonial studies reading list.

>>18587272
I had to scroll down past 100+ books before I found a book that wasn't globohomo trash.

>>18587193
I mean if you are familiar with the history of social engineering and propaganda and psychiatric abuse and biopolitics the standard liberal narrative just seems horribly naive. Which doesnt mean im a republican trump supporter christian fundie who wants to kill all the gays. But that its just another ideological means to control and exploit people based on supposedly scientific authority.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/transanityca.wordpress.com/2017/08/13/synanon-the-brainwashing-game-and-modern-transgender-activism-the-orwellian-implications-of-transgender-politics-by-jenn-smith/amp/
>Perhaps one of the most disturbing attempts to undermine families can be seen in a slick video produced by LGBT in the City, a multi-media organization that produces talk shows and videos related to LGBT issues and is sponsored by such monster corporations as Telus and TD Bank. To say LGBT in the City has a hedonistic focus would be a grotesque understatement and it might be argued that at least one of their videos encourages the sexualization of children, specifically in the form of an eight year old boy mockingly named “Lactacia.”

>In a slick video released on Facebook with over one million views so far, a hyper-feminized/sexualized 8 year old boy (who some have compared to a drag version of JonBenét Ramsey) is featured partying in a hypersexual adult LGBT environment and telling kids watching that if their parents or friends do not support their desire to be drag (or trans), they need to get new parents and friends. Professional quality video and editing made this call to young children to the queer lifestyle all the more appealing. As “Lactatia” speaks to his peers, while an all too happy host leers, bold text leaps out at the viewer saying “YOU NEED NEW PARENTS! YOU NEED NEW FRIENDS!” You too can be a drag queen or transgender superstar and perhaps head out on the town to party with the wild LGBT boys and “Lactatia.” If your parents won’t get on board, they can simply be replaced with a new “glitter family.”

>>18587286
Its a means of creating productive subjects, back in the 50s it made sense to promote a nuclear family model, which allowed for relative stability. Now you have to create 'activist' 'liberated' engaged subjects but it is a form of conformism worse than the 50s. The goal is the same create subjects people who can be mobilized as consumers as voters as workers. What is really disturbing is not the faggotry but how the innermost identity of the subject is linked to a specific epistemology and an idea of institutional power.

>>18587249
Well said, i unironically find reagan-era counter culture quite interesting, but seeing the commodification of every aspects of under represented groups makes every conversation on the subject more about aesthetics and how much you can repeat slogans about being ¨truthful¨ to yourself. Its a downward spiral to cynicism really.

>>18587193
While, perhaps, the original book has its errors, I'm not sure one can turn to science to confirm the "feeling" of gender, or whatever this "experience" of gender is -- which seems to be the major issue of this gender subject.

Science can look at the chromosome, but whereby does it look to confirm someone "feels like they're the wrong gender"? Or that they've somehow intuited whatever the "experience" the other gender entails?

>>18587402
Our relationship to queer theory, the counterculture, californian technoutopianism is analogous to that of the denizens of late socialism to the official marxist leninist ideology. Through the immortal science of american progressivism has certainly become
far more oppressive and suffocating than marxist leninism - hardly room for irony. Like the war on terror is about producing terrorism the war on shame is about producing shame and exploiting it as a means of control. Telling you its a YA novel when its actually gravity's rainbow or naked lunch. We have forgotten how the inscription is always reciprocal, how Representation and identity are always a form of power and control. Critical theory 101: power is the ability to tell you who you are. and how diverging from the norm in any way is more likely to make you a subject of ever more intrusive forms of control. And how perversely the 'marginalized' subject becomes the new justification for coercitive institutional power, and also its scapegoat.

>>18587286
>stuffing your anus with poppers
lmao idiot, not how it works

>>18587425
Lgbt is not an ideology but based on the self evident principles of science, love and real news. Unlike reactionary ideology which is based on bigotry religious superstition sexual repression and fake news.

>>18587533
While I admit that I indeed do not know how it works, lacking that little bit of knowledge does not make me an idiot.

>>18587193
>How the Left Took Things Too Far
Germany's left has its own tales of abuse. One of the goals of the German 1968 movement was the sexual liberation of children. For some, this meant overcoming all sexual inhibitions, creating a climate in which even pedophilia was considered progressive.

Its insultingly naive, like they didnt learn anything from the 60s and mixed up the the repressive hypothesis of the 60s with a cartoon of behaviorism and the scientistic authoritarian dogma of the 50s. Also underestimating the extent to which the zoomer generation has been fucked by psyops and propaganda and an hypersexualized environment, we grew up watching tv made by pedophiles and getting groomed in discord chats. But if you say that you feel traumatized by it it just means you are probably repressed and suffering from internalized prejudices and maybe an alt right russian bot. How you learned to hate and distrust people who are quite alike you in most ways

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679-amp.html

>>18587402
Every form of power creates new perversions. The anime girl avi tradcaths and alt right homoerotic bodybuilders are just the perverts created by progressive power. While what were once seen as perversions become oppressive norms on their own right.

>>18587695
the fact that you seethe about it itt makes you an idiot

>>18587393
I agree. And would certainly emphasise that in the 50s the nuclear family was 'promoted' and not 'created'. Though the promotion of the family - even if for nothing else but its stabilising propensity - dates back to at least Antiquity.

The relationship between a so-called liberated yet isolated consumer-activist and 21st century economics deserves much more investigation. Is there any recent examples of such a work?

>>18587808
These people dont have sex they engage in shrill politically correct activities and virtue signal at the behest of george soros and their marxist proffesors

>>18587808
I'm not seething, I just note the kind of hypermaterialism and shallow hedonism at the root of your social ontology - the anus as the nucleus of social life and justification for all political activism and

>>18587824
*And its strange elevation at the expense of all other forms of intellectual pursuit.

>>18587813
Im just going by foucault and personal experience as an autistic zoomer who pretty much grew up on the internet and . Really obsessed with tracing the odd threads which run across american cultural history making sense of a sort of traumatic interpellation by power.

Like how the yippies and the sixties radicals were into this very performative idea emboddied idea of politics very influenced by authors like marcuse wilhelm reich and norman o brown, who talked about polimorphous perversity and turning the perverse libidinal impulses created by the system against the system itself. How jerry rubin went from yippie to yuppie and became one of the first investors in apple computer. And how computers became identified with countercultural idividualism instead of being viewed as tools of the war machine.
How the term alt right was coined by paul gottfried, an excentric jewish paleoconservative who had also been a student of marcuse(his book multiculturalism and the politics of guilt towards a secular theocracy is dedicated to his son a medical practitioner who told him to write a book because he was afraid he would get an aneurysm if he kept going on rants against political correctness).

How the paternalist mythology of the old south is central to american liberalism essentially they want to be the good masters but still compel obedience through terror and humilliation.

>>18587813
its weird to see 'conservatives' idealize the american 50s. In retrospect post war america can only be seen as a radical razed ground experiment forged in the white heat of the atom bomb a total redefinition of what individuality democracy, mean. On one hand there is the vision of a totally self regulating reflexive cybernetic society based on symbolic exchange, think richard brautigans machines of loving grace and paul goodman and buckmister fuller meeting john cage on black mountain college lawn on the other there is terror and the rand corporation's game theory models and the semi automatic ground environment and proyect mkultra structuring everything from the apocalyptic horizon of nuclear war down to the most minute human interactions

>>18587193

Its buck breaking a means to make the population docile and compliant.
https://youtu.be/Yph2Ne5C2s0

>>18589580
Russian army ad is badass and hypermsculine, the russkies have the custom of brutally gangraping new recruits every once in a while show them a lesson you know. i tell you they are made differenty like a pack of dogs the slav displays an admirable indifference to human life. While the american version is about a girl who grew up with two lesbian moms and joined the US army in order to fight for gay rights. Any sane person would conclude the US is by far the most oppressive system.
https://youtu.be/ZEnxmzqXJN8

>>18587249
fucck this is my first time on lit
the first thread i clock on
great post, i might have to ditch his until summer is over i guess

>>18589687
This explains a lot about the state of /lit/ currently.

>>18589867
i'm sorry for immigrating but i'm not a newfag
it's just that i only became knowledgable about philosophy and humanities rather recently
i still get bored reading but i'm very interested in these topics and really appreciate posts like the Foucault-fag's
i used to think that his was the place to go for effort posting but with poltard summerfags coming in i find the board to be unbearable nowadays

>>18589928
>but with poltard summerfags
You're new here, yet somehow you've decided that the fascists are "summerfags?" They're the majority of local population.

I will never understand why these people waste the energy trying to argue with critical theory neo-marxists on this stuff. You cannot reason with religious fanatics.

>>18590347
Chinese intelligence operative tasked with investigating 4chan reports to his superior:

"So you are telling me the alt right are actually homosexual while the queers only pretend to be so in order to pick up gullible white women?"

>>18587110
Mr turings famous test. Turns out "computer science" is a actually a massive subversive conspiracy devised by the queers. This is a good chunk of you faggots the rest of us who presumably still have some decency were lucky enough to grow up with respectable male role models such as sam hyde, travis bickle the underground man and professor paul gottfried.

>>18590429
There are two kinds of people in the world...

>>18590347
>fascists
stormfags have always been a loud yet contained porcentage of the site, mainly gathered in pol
these are not fascist, these are racist 16 yo that 90% of the time find this site through reddit, then come to pol and decide to spread to every other board like wildfire
this has been happening since Gamergate but it's noticeably worse every summer since the 2016 election
and like i said i'm not new, i've been browsing since 2013

>>18590639
You don't know what you're talking about. People have done polls and found that the majority on this board are consistently fascistic. They're not children, either.

>>18590652
i'm not talking about this board exclusively, are you even reading my posts?
also
>online polls on a mongolian turd flinging forum
well, aren't you a sociologist

>>18590684
If you'd like to continue deluding yourself into believing that everyone on this site who disagrees with you is just some kid who showed up last week, then feel free to do so. But I assure you that that is not the case.

>>18590639
4chan is a right wing site, as all places that lack censorship become

>>18590639
You are the minority and we will take over society.

>>18587110
Read this instead

>>18587110
You'd be better off just reading "why gender matters" it's one of my top 20 books that founded my general ideology, knowledge, and thought process.

>>18587261
They're right on one thing and one thing only, you need to take your meds

>>18587261
god i hate narcissists pedos.

>>18590723
4chan has always been a queer space as well, but that is implied by right wing site

>>18589687
>broke rationalizing homosexual proclivities through dubious neuroscience and genetics
>woke rationalizing homosexual proclivities through affect theory

The short essay shame in the cybernetic fold provides a conscise intro

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.uib.no/sites/w3.uib.no/files/attachments/sedgwick.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiYmYrelczxAhUCmWoFHVhvBU0QFnoECCAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2dl3_dgO3qHhMngr4Q40tJ

>>18590639
Funny, I've been here that exact time frame and I've got no clue what you're talking about.

>>18590391
We all know the left are bunch of subversive jews and queers, but the right are just the sunversive jews and queers, but who think the other ones are going too far and feel the instinct to do something before the suckers, i mean the good american people, figure out what has been going on

>>18590723
4chan was only right wing in the sense that people had fun saying nigger, faggot, and posting gore and PC with impunity. It's funny /pol/tards love labeling everything as degenerate when they're posting on what has historically been one of the most degenerate sites on the web.

>>18595392
>4chan was only right wing in the sense that

Left-wing:
-people are equal (i.e. replaceable, identical, 1=1),
-absolute equality (ideology of trying to abolish everything that differentiates us: gender, race, class, etc.)
-freedom "from"

Right-wing:
-people are unique (hence, not equal)
-equality in one context spawns inequalitIES in other ones (absolute equality is either unachievable, or a dystopian 1984 nightmare)
-freedom "to"

Choose wisely.

>>18587240
You will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection. All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors. Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound. You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight. Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male. This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

>>18595392
The so called lgbt community is a disgrace to true perversion and sodomy the divine marquis(de sade would feel nothing but the utmost contempt for them and their liberal humanism NPC faggotry. All the real degenerates have long decamped to the greener pastures of the far right. Read SIEGE faggot.

>>18593252
The l gbt community much like christianity is undeniably a lobby of adults dedicated to the infliction of its sexual neuroses on innocent children

>>18587110
No, instead read:
>Richard Plant-The Pink Triangle (1986)
>Alice Dreger-Galileo's Middle Finger (2015)
The Gender Affirming Model is here to stay. Lisa Littman was correct in her assessment.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_onset_gender_dysphoria_controversy