/lit/ - Literature

>>18553467
>one theory being that in a consoomer-based culture, a counter-culture cannot exist
I think that's retarded. Did you even think before typing that?

They did when bored fucks on the internet started to post the same shitty threads over and over again. Go get yourself a heroïne addiction and put something on paper thats readable you lil twat.

>>18553467
They keep getting $WHACKD.

>>18553467
Why do you keep making this thread?
Surely this discussion has gone as far as it's going to go?

>>18553467
>in a consoomer-based culture, a counter-culture cannot exist. Everything in entertainment and fiction will be in support of the system.
Yep

>>18553467
Well it would stay underground. look at how dissident works were distributed during the soviet era period. Samizdats, which means "self-edited"
The current form of this would be pdf collections in
archives available as torrents for starters.

>>18553467
Read up, nigger.

>>18553893
I'm guessing you wrote that book

>>18553893
>a prolific writer and podcaster

>>18553893
Nice! I'll check it out... I see already two people immediately jumped on you with hate. /Lit/ is completely overran by pseuds and people who contribute nothing.

>>18553506
How do I know if my work is readable? I mean, why would I even show it to anyone when the creativity, plot, themes... none of that matters unless some anonymous person on /Lit/ approves that I have arranged the words in a pleasing way to them. Why would anyone even bother when there is no actual discussion on the book, merely constant attacks on the "quality of writing" which is, of course, highly subjective.

>>18553467
>Where have all the crazies, bipolars, and counter-culture schizo authors gone?
The new underground youth subculture is on twitter and substack but I kind of don't think you'd be into it

>>18553893
>black-pilling

>>18553842
Maybe there should be more 3+ day old threads where incels cry that they didn't get their pp's touched in their teens?!

>>18554014
Links?!

>>18554011
>How do I know if my work is readable?
not attracting overwhelmingly negative responses would be a start

>>18554063
Yes, because /Lit/ is known for constructive criticism and not just blind "Waldun sucks, Infinite Jest is written like shit, Steven King is a shit writer... etc etc"

This board is completely full of hatred for authors and writing in general. It is like people come here to simply vent their negative energy.

>>18553467
Well at least we have F Gardner

>>18554087
>the usual spiel about haters, conveniently not mentioning how many different anons explained in detail why your writing was irredeemably bad
sad!

>>18554118
Okay the writing is so bad. Now what? Can we talk about the plot or do you simply want to focus on how terrible the writing is?

Should I just leave the board and quit writing because of the completely, super constructive "it's bad. boring. I couldn't read 2 pages."

Meanwhile, there is no review of the plot, of the creativity, of the twists, turns, and character development.

I'm going to keep making these threads every day and you can start by pulling HORRIBLE writing from my samples, make fun of me. Let's do this!

>>18553467
They get published posthumously, if at all. They don't have connections, they don't write to publish. They just write to expel something inside of them.

>>18554011
>I mean, why would I even show it to anyone when the creativity, plot, themes... none of that matters
none of these things actually exist. all that exists are words on a page, and the things you mentioned are merely effects that the words you've put on the page produce on the reader's mind.

the words you put on the page were bad, so the effects did not take place. this is called not knowing how to write.

>>18554140
>I'm going to keep making these threads every day
you didn’t even. I was the one who posted this thread yesterday, you’re such a hack writer that you can’t even be original with your 4chan posts.
>should I just quit writing
Yes

>>18554140
>Okay the writing is so bad. Now what?
there's nothing else to it, bucko. you're on a literature board. maybe some storytime subreddit would suit you and your needs better

>>18554156
Okay, so slug through it and check out the themes presented in the book.

Your next post:
>Your writing was so bad I couldn't imagine anything and I couldn't even tell what the story was about so I stopped reading after 3 pages

That's not acting in good faith. You're not even attempting to be constructive.

>>18554180
quit writing.

>>18553893
>meme title and meme pseudonym
Stop

>>18554059
Here you go anon, stare into the face of current zoomer (and aging millennial) digital wired counterculture.

https://twitter.com/vibeshift2021 (*)
https://kaliacc.org/ (*)
https://cashedcobrazhousewriter.substack.com (*)
https://twitter.com/mimpathy
https://covidianaesthetics.substack.com/
https://gnosticsamsara.substack.com/
https://twitter.com/charlottereed77
https://zyg.edith.reisen/ (*)
https://edith.reisen/
https://goldenlight.substack.com/substack-paty
https://3dtestosterone.net/
https://ilongfornetworkspirituality.net/ (*)
https://nekosattva.substack.com/
https://nekogirlmagazine.com/ (*)
https://twitter.com/marlbaraLTD
https://sip.neocities.org/ (*)
https://goodfortune.neocities.org/
https://miya-miya.neocities.org/

There's more but this should be a good start into this rabbit hole. Links marked with (*) are the most imperative ones.

>>18553893
>Black-pilling
lol c'mon

>>18554180
have you asked your dad for some money to hire a freelance editor who can go over your manuscript? if so, would you take their advice?

>>18554190
Imagine how good your life could have been if you didn't hate on people who are living their dreams.

Sorry you're in a bad place anon!

>>18554214
I haven't spoke to my father in years and I never got any money from my parents. I made all my money selling porn online an an affiliate. I still make a bit from old Xvideos uploads.

Where would be a good place to find a freelance editor?

>>18554180
reading bad books in order to fix them is a job. you pay people to do it. i have no obligation to do unpaid labor for random strangers.

you are behaving delusionally.

>>18554221
you were "living your dream" while you were still operating under the unfounded assumption that your writing will be great and everyone will love it.

now you're in the stage where that delusion is crashing against the reality that you cannot actually write, and the dream is becoming a nightmare.

>>18554247
A man putting on a dress = a woman.

A man writes a few post on a literature forum = delusional.

>>18554205
honor levy is the courtney love of quasi-edgy online zoomers

>>18554268
Dude... there are people every day selling junk products and making a ton of money.

I'm going under the assumption that I will be able to sell a product. I don't care if the writing is perfect, it just needs to serve the purpose to telling a whacky story and selling some Canadian-made books.

I mean, I'm not trying to be Shakespeare here. If my work is the McDonald's of Canadian lit and makes a few bucks, that's great.

This is a fun process, imagining the book, writing it, getting the paper chopper, ordering the hot glue book binder. It's going to be a lot of fun taking this book out into the world and sell it!

It would appear that you haven't had that euphoria of bringing your creative vision to the public, it's great. My 1st book completely changed my world for the better, and my 2nd will be even more of a leap-frog in life.

When's your next project due to be ready?

>>18554205
Thanks anon!!!

I will follow these and also offer them a free book when it's ready!

>>18554296
Yeah I'm thinking she's pretty based for a jewess

>>18554282
a very strange comparison. it's the content of your posts, not their number, that shows you to be delusional.

you have repeatedly insisted, in this thread and the previous one, that total strangers should be obliged to read a book they hate in order to help you make it better, and that the uniformly negative feedback you keep receiving is due to some sort of mass fit of envy the board feels towards you for being "a creator", as opposed to the badness of your bad writing. that's delusion.

>>18554329
don't fall for it

>>18554334
That's the thing though, the story itself is very creative and interesting. Perhaps you're just too smart?

I mean, if the majority of people don't read at your erudite level, that's good for me. Maybe my writing is so boring and basic that it will be just-right for the 50 Shades of Grey crowd.

/Lit/ is in the belief that Stephen King is a horrible writer and that Waldun sucks... but Steve is very rich and Waldun's viewership grows.

What are some of your favourite writers? I'll check them out and learn what great writing is... then I'll go back and edit my book to be more like those great writers!

>>18554317
this is like a parody distillation of rightoid """art"""

>>18554329
How can you call such repulsive narcissism 'based'?

>>18554367
I'm just making art dude... I don't think the book leans any direction at all. In fact, I think most people will have no idea who I'm writing as the good guy or bad guys.

>>18554368
I just find it funny, and besides, pretty much all women under 45 are like that nowadays anyways.

>>18554368
Who in media, arts, or entertainment is not a narcissist?

>>18554317
huh? up to this point you were presenting yourself as this misunderstood "creator" that had put a ton of time and effort "crafting" a great story that people were just failing to appreciate etc etc, but now you're this self-admitted huckster trying to scam people into buying something you know is bad? and you don't care? because you think it's fun to play with glue?

>>18554365
>Maybe my writing is so boring and basic that it will be just-right for the 50 Shades of Grey crowd.
and now you're just debasing yourself like a bullied child. that's enough personality disorders for one day for me, i'm out.

>>18554415
Yeah maybe I am delusional? I mean... you'd have to be CRAZY at 43 years old to think you could write a book and earn any sort of living off it.

I mean, without any social media presence, without any in-group, banished to the far corners of 4Chan... the odds are soooooo low that a brain-damaged, mentally ill white guy can actually make it. I must be totally delusional. I should probably just apply at a McDonald's or Wal-Mart and grow up.

The idea that I could take my imagination and tell an interesting story... LOL!!!

Oh well, I'll find an editor and see if they think the book is salvageable. Maybe I can sell a couple copies a month for coffee money while I work a 9-5.

Have a nice day!

>>18553906
No, but I've met him at a book fair.

>>18553917
Yes.

>>18554003
His blog is also quite good. One of the better articles:

https://raceborz.com/2019/09/08/what-brit-slouches-towards-bethlehem-to-be-born/

>>18554481
>Bro he doesn't have 10+ million followers and 20+ books out... he sucks!!!
This place is so toxic, it is laughable!

>>18554496
And in a thread about counterculture/samizdat/underground literature no less.

The real reason is because his writing is from a nationalist perspective. About half of all White people in the Western world have formed their identities in opposition to that.

>>18554524
I completely understand. The door has been shut on any "non-mainstream" ideas it seems, as people's brains have been vaccinated against information that is critical of the current narrative.
>My next book is about a guy who fights back against the wave of crime, drugs and lawlessness in Vancouver.
The future ain't going to be pretty, and the people who are totally sleep in 2021 are going to be rudely awakened soon...
>I have hope though, because with scenes like pic related becoming commonplace in Vancouver, I think people are ready for new information and alternative voices.

>>18554329
I love how zoomers took the lowest scum of the millennials.
We are the purest generation in history because of you retards and your generation gentrification.

>>18554014
>>18554205
Substack is really gaining in prominence and popularity recently. Paul Skallas was featured in the NYT like a month ago

>>18554641
Who is "we" exactly, millennials?

>>18554642
Isn't substack really mainstream?

>>18554717
Kinda but not really compared to the big platforms, even blogging ones like medium and similar. I see it as kind of a second wind for the 2000s nrx/dark enlightenment blogosphere even if it's substantially more retarded

>>18554837
Interesting! I read a bunch of moldbug back in the day... Any other good substacks to follow?

>>18554885
This is the current Moldbug
https://graymirror.substack.com/
Some others I like
https://eggreport.substack.com/
https://mimetic.substack.com/
https://astralcodexten.substack.com/
https://richardhanania.substack.com/

>>18554957
Awesome! I'm going to copy this to my tablet and go sit outdoors in the shade and check it out. Thanks!

>>18554641
Is TikTok and social media preventing good book from being written?

The mediums people are using, it seems to be programming people's attention spans to be less than 10 seconds long.

>>18555379
Counterculture exists on platforms like twitter, tiktok, discord now, it's very transient and ephemeral and hard to pin down because of that, posts get deleted, accounts get banned or privated, people change accounts often or just share it with a private circle, it's just a completely different game now

>>18553491
no i think he's on to something. consumer culture is so comfy it's the ultimate form of slavery. Even those who disagrees with it intellectually will find it hard to give up on it entirely.

>>18553893
is anything more cringer than some boomer fuck who thinks he´s "with the kids", dude grow the fuck up, you´re not 18 anymore, even as pathetic as when moldbug OWNED you lmao

>neonazi
>pol tard
>illiterate
>writes meme book

yep, pic related

>>18555625
All I see are personal attacks?

>>18555634
read the greentext again

>>18555643
I still don't get it?

>>18555721

>>18555730
kek

>>18553467
all the crazy, counter-culture, retards are now agents

>>18555730
Not my fault you can't write.

>>18555753
grow up borzoi and also having a family is not "based and redpilled", all societies practiced this social function, you´re not special, you´re just a dumb white trash americana who should know his place in the world

>>18555769
>HURR DURRR LISTEN TO ME I'M AN ANONYMOUS NOBODY WHO CREATES NOTHING

>>18555823

>>18555830

>>18555625
John Chapman is a millennial, and younger than Moldbug.

Moldbug has nothing to say and got dunked on for three hours.

>>18554205
bless you anon, i needed this.

>>18554205
>kaliacc
>miya
reminder that miya is an anorexic pajeet roleplaying as a japanese tranny and he fucking bailed when someone doxxed him (because he kept using the same twitter phrases on facebook of all fucking places)
Kaliacc is a fucking joke and so is most of twitter

>>18556970
he also started grooming teenage girls "ironically" but got into it for real and expected actual pussy since he's a swarthy horny pajeet lol

got scared when he got doxxed and bailed, also most of the kaliacc community is composed of underage zoomers with a pretty poor understand of internet culture, i talk to one who joined that shit at 14

no thanks kalispergs can keep their cringe and artificial "culture"

>>18553491
Whats retarded about it? Put some thought into it.
Consoomer culture is always looking for exploitable markets, be it gays, drug abusers, or mlp fans. Counter cultures will constantly be engulfed by corporate entities looking to sell products (or user data) and eventually sanitize them of anything heretical to mainstream dogma.
The only possible counter cultures that can thus exist must be too radical or distasteful to exploit for profit, which leaves very little room for it to exist in a detectable way for the average anon. Given that tech giants are capable and willing to deplatform and disappear anything they decide is unworkable, where could a modern counterculture exist except for in small, disconnected pockets that are still insulated from corporate surveillance. Once anything gets big enough to bother the media makers, its marked for integration or destruction.

>>18554014
I browsed substacks most subscribed authors for a few mins and it was mostly inoffensive light reading written by women for women in an easily digestible manner.

>>18553467
I got an italian magazine where I write, its name is Spiral, check it out if you know italian/can translate it
https://www.rivistaspiral.org/white-boy-summer-la-nostra-estate/

>>18553467
Counter-culture was subverted, they're on the side of the elite and act in defense of them. The mainstream are all cowed sheep, the counter-culture are the bullies that keep them in line on social media and in the streets. There's no integrity left in these men, they've made a business contract with the devil.

>>18554205
wow, a bunch of zoomer weebs blogposting useless trash. how counterculture, how interesting

>>18553467
They're here reading this ;)

>>18554011
a truly crazy, bipolar and counter-culture schizo author wouldn't care about readability or quality, only the truth

>>18554205
is it just me or does this stuff seem very old-fashioned actually, very boomerish. people disappointed that the internet turned out nothing like cyberpunk predicted it to be and larping to compensate, reading terrence mckenna so they can prove posting on twitter is a form of shamanism. look, my chapter numbers are in binary, like in computers, goofy shit like that. name-dropping philosophers all the time but their actual bible is the second edition of shadowrun.

>>18554011

You're right actually, anyone who would make this post just objectively DQ'd themselves from external relevance.

>>18553467
You already made this thread

>>18557799

Ah zis, ze era of countair cultoor, she is fini. Now you and I, we live to see ze lowering of ze undair cultoor, no? Until ze rust of our decadent age merges with ze dust of its mozzering ers and blows away in ze wind, true rebellion has died. Eef you want zat agitation, it will only be impotent and on ze incommunicable fringe, no?

>>18554205
>>18558050 is right. These sites are written in the exact same style that Grimes writes in. You know, the pop star dating billionaire Elon Musk. Can't get more counter-culture than that, I guess

Conservatism is the new counter culture.

>>18558295
hah! I knew my 'conservative' beliefs used to be 'liberal'.

>>18553491
Capitalism has a tendency to scrub counter cultural movements of their political content and then spit it back out as a consumer product often with an accompanying consumer identity in a process called recuperation. I thought /lit/ was a board that reads

>>18558537
Where did you read that (besides Debord)? Not that one has to read nowadays to come to this realization.

>>18558295
>>18558532
dad get off the computer

>>18558320
I know, right? I voted for Ralph Nader, who campaigned for closing the Mexican border and protecting American jobs. He warned of the danger of disease as well as crime coming over an open border. But Nader was suddenly ignored when it was noticed that he and Trump both supported what is now called America First policies, but used to be (and indeed still is) just common sense.

>>18553467
Oh, fuck off. We already had this thread.

>>18554140
>Okay the writing is so bad. Now what?
Quit writing and never come here again. It'll be good for your mental health, if anything.

Can I have archive links of the other threads?

>>18558050
>or does this stuff seem very old-fashioned actually, very boomerish. people disappointed that the internet turned out nothing like cyberpunk predicted it to be
That's exactly it, since the main inspirations behind all this are (early) Nick Land/CCRU and cyberpunk animus like Serial Experiments Lain. Turn of the millennium shit when the internet was a mysterious murky netherworld to recede into from real life, which doesn't exist anymore in the fully integrated irl/url web 2.5. That is exactly what miya, fodcom and the rest are trying to replicate and is in line with a bunch of other early internet revivalist fashion. You see it in music (hexd, hyperpop, internet rap etc), in "aesthetics" etc

>>18556970
i fucking hate miya

>>18558983
miya fights for a better censorship-free internet every day while you sit on your ass and complain

>>18558320
>>18558590
Same to both of you. I even worked for a Nader lobbying campaign in the 90s.

>>18558295
>Conservatism is the new counter culture.

Not quite. Establishment conservatism is merley the other half of a power dialectic which still advances elite agendas.

The actual counterculture is pro-White racial politics and culture building.

>>18555420
But what is it about? What philosophy is being materialised in it? Otherwise I tend towards >>18559202: counter culture in the West is non-commercialised druid revival etc.

>>18553467
They outlived their usefulness to the System.

>>18559434
The way I see it it's about free speech, anti-censorship and some vague futurist utopian notions, the rest is just "aesthetic" fluff/window dressing.

>>18554205
What is it with these fags and moe/anime? I dig the content but it's a turn-off aesthetically and trannifies everything.

>>18559133
lmao delusional zoom zoom, get a grip on reality

>>18559510
It's to draw their mostly zoomer audience in of course. There's something about the anime girl face that has an irresistible pull for them

>>18553467
This fat bastard from my country, Uruguay. Wrote two short novels, a couple stories, some poems. Drank his own urine on live. Died snorting coke some good years ago. God I miss him.

>>18559589
on live TV*

Give me four more years, asshole.
- j.m

>>18559133
shut the fuck up miya

>>18554205
Extremely based content here, thanks

>>18553467
The problem is the internet gives people a safe avenue to rebel/experiment with minimal risk. You don't have to actually go outside and ruffle any feathers. Nobody's going to hold you accountable if you don't practice what you preach. You can just larp on /pol/ or discord and vent about how sick you are of modern culture and the day of the rope is totally coming any day now. Sitting on your ass looking at a monitor doesn't give you much life experience to draw upon for inspiration.

>>18555625
triggerd onion boy detected.

>>18558295

>Conservatism is the new counter culture.

it's more like the left are the neo-fascists. It's amazing how the left has no self awareness anymore. I am only 33. I grew up hating George Bush and watching the daily show. The left used to be principled on subjects on corporate power, free speech, and government corruption. Now the left is one giant cesspool of brainwashed NPC's worshiping tyranny because orange man bad, and all hail female penises.


>>18553467
I can only guess, but it's not just the people you mentioned. Unique people who actually DO something are in short supply. There is a pernicious culture decay that scares the shit out of me. No one is left in confidence to their own devices. People consult the internet on what toilet paper to use before they wipe their ass.

Maybe you are too young to notice, but this decay of idleness has done a real doozy on certain hobbies. People are too chicken shit to do anything cool for themselves. Car forums used to be FULL of people doing unique shit, trailblazing, having fun. Now, it's a bunch of onion boys sitting around talking about the same boring shit over and over. VWvortex used to be so kickass.

Then you have the fact that nearly every aspect of society is on the grid. We are all cattle with ear tags. you can't live off the farm like you used to be able to do.

>>18563560
this is very true. i think "true" counterculture authorship will be harder to find as time goes on, as people's views (especially politically) on what's good/bad seem to be progressively more black and white, thereby making it less and less acceptable to transgress the norm. plus so many of the transgressive things that defined these movements aren't really taboo anymore - you can buy weed most places legally, soon it will be other drugs, porn is everywhere and it isn't weird to be a sex worker, etc

less people going out, doing insane shit and writing it all down later. more people looking at monitors and wasting their interesting, unformed ideas on tweets that will probably be lost within their lifetime, if they're even read at all...

>>18559474
so it's nothing

>>18553467
agreed in a sense that consumerist culture just uses any type of counter-culture for itself to make money. it is no use, even anti-consumerist stuff would be use to make people consume and make money.

>>18563683
>>18564047
Quality posts

>>18554329
what I hate most is the pretencious fucking men that are involved in this type of display of anarchism theyre a subset of subhuman individuality that no one with a decent amount of virtue can stand them. the woman only copies them but the man himself is a subhuman beyond recognision

>>18557062
>substack's most subscribed authors

yngmi

https://niccolo.substack.com/
https://graymirror.substack.com/
https://www.thepullrequest.com/
https://paulskallas.substack.com/

>>18566542
laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame

>>18555420
This right here. It's hard to keep up

>>18558570
It was mostly Debord, but it appears in Mark Fisher's work and I assume Jameson since he talks about post modernity and Late Stage Capitalism. I've still gotta give Jameson a proper read though

>>18566555
>https://niccolo.substack.com/

>>18558295
In 2011, those ideas were still corporate-backed.