/lit/ - Literature

>>18549455

Such a proposed list, if it has any pretensions to completeness, must necessarily include works of non-fiction, which are also literature. If one wishes to confine oneself to fictional narratives, one is obliged to qualify with the noun "fiction" as opposed to "literature".

>>18549455
>What would you say are the 30 most important works of universal literature?
The epics.

>>18549469
Non-fiction is not literature, because literature is a human and rational construction, which makes its way towards freedom through struggle and dialectical confrontation, which uses signs of the linguistic system, to which it confers an aesthetic value and gives a fictional status, and which is developed through a communicative process of historical, geographical and political dimensions, whose fundamental figures are the author, the work, the reader and the interpreter or transducer.

>>18549478

My dictionary trumps your bloviating. Plumbers' manuals and microwave instructions are literature.

>>18549455
bump

>>18549469
Literature is not just written things. If not this forum would be literature.

>excludes New Testament
>includes anticlerical literature
hmmmm

>>18550224
It also includes the spirital canticle by St John of the Cross, what's your point?

>>18550122

Yes, it is. This forum is itself literature. Literature properly encompasses all symbolic signs.

You are effectively making the same mistake as the above poster. >>18549478 , trying to make a distinction which is similar to certain senses of "natural" and "unnatural". In each case there is a more limited, specific sense of "natural"/"literature" (and each have their places, when one wants to discuss a more efficient and thus more "natural" process), but the strict senses of each term are what really control, in the final analysis. Literature is simply the totality of all symbolism, written signs etc, just as nature is simply the totality of the concatenation of atoms and other stuff floating in space. If it weren't so, then we wouldn't speak of "the medical literature", "the scientific literature" and other non-fictional corpuses of literature, and we also wouldn't speak of the other floaty bits as being in nature, but we do.

>>18550301
The New Testament of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is certainly a more important work of literature for this world or any other than is the Spiritual Canticle of Saint John of the Cross. Don't you agree?

>>18549455
>>Spiritual Canticle

cope...didn't this guy just rip off Ibn Arabi and other Sufi Muslims?

>>18549478
Shut the hell up nerd

>>18550322
You are mistaking the term "Literature" in the proper sense with "Literature" lato sensu.
Just as we are not talking about the same thing when say "the music of the wind" as Bach, or when things like "the art of war" doesn't imply that war is one of the Fine Arts, we are not talking about the same thing when talking about Scientific Literature as when talking about, let's say, Don Quixote.

>>18549478
>>18549469
You're both faggots who need to learn how to write without coming off like boomers.

>>18549455
The list is not actually not that bad, but seeing three Spanish works so early gives me some Bloom vibes but for Spanish instead of English, obviously.

Apuleius' The Golden Ass
Petronius' Satyricon
Roman de Renart
Roman de Fauvel
One Thousand and One Nights
Boccaccio's Decameron
Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales
Villon's Le Testament
Bracciolini's Facetiae
Lazzarelli's La Cicceide
Rabelais' Gargantua
Rabelais' Pantagruel
Rabelais' Third book
Rabelais' Fourth book
Rabelais' Fifth book
Cervantes' Don Quixote
Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream
Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing
Swift's Gulliver's Travels
Sterne's Tristram Shandy
Molière's The Bourgeois Gentleman
Molière's The Miser
La Fontaine's Fables
Voltaire's Candide
Gogol's Dead Souls
Poe's Tales of the Grotesque and Arabesque
de Quincey's On Murder Considered as one of the Fine Arts
Lautreamont's Maldoror
Jarry's Dr. Faustroll
Daumal's Mount Analogue

>>18549455
He is going to miss the Indian, Chinese and Japanese masterpieces, I guarantee it.

>>18549455

>>18549455
>Gargantua and Pantagruel
never heard of this one before, what's it about? is it good?

Will he swallow his pride and include shakes?

>>18551994
yeah it's a very famous satire

>>18549455
Does "universal" actually mean universal, or does it mean world?

>>18549478
based and yisusmasterpilled

>>18552042
Earth is the universe.

>>18552042
it means the epic space aliens will like it too obviously

>>18552111
Ch-checked

>>18549478
This

>>18549469
Cringe
>>18549478
Based

Just read the dictionary bro. Every other work is just some sort of combination.

>>18552700
the dictionary is just alphabet fanfic

>>18551994
it's about pee pee and poo poo, I kid you not

bump

>>18551981
According to him, there is no canon outside the "Western canon" due to politics and historical contingencies and what have you. He's also not gonna include Montaigne, which should be more surprising. Obviously that is super retarded. Maestro is such a fucking tool and a laughingstock