/lit/ - Literature

sage

>Not embracing syncretic politics
I really hope you don't do this

>nationalist
>2011

>>1854904
>Not an Anarcho-Syndicalist
>1211

>>1854932
>subhuman
>198,000 BC

>>1854930
Nationalist in the sense that Lord Byron was a Greek Nationalist.
Seriously /lit/ at what age do people stop thinking in strict dichotomies?

I really must object to this. I shan't be judgmental but it appears as though you are responding to yourself in this thread by dropping trip. There must be an end to this silliness. I know your heart is in the right place so please try and not be a bother.

>>1854949
I *never* drop my trip

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>>1854930
Nationalism is awesome as hell, sorry.

Seriously, what's wrong with liking the place you live and the people you like with, and having a fierce affection for them? I'm certainly attached to the city in which I was born, the people I grew up with. I don't see that there's anything wrong with that. And that kind of impulse, as far as I can see, is at the basis of nationalism.

Obviously you can't go to far with nationalism - but I don't see why people denounce it the way that they do.

>>1855003

You have absolutely no fucking clue what "nationalism" is

>>1855003

Because the concept of the nation-state is outdated. We live in a global society now.

>>1855020
beep beep boop boop things are complicated and multivalent, i am a robot

>>1855023
that's fucking stupid frankly and i hope you realize that

although nation-states are definitely irretrievably flawed, but that doesn't make nationalism or the nationalist impulse wrong in themselves. i still submit that a certain kind of nationalism and localism is natural instinct.

>>1855030

>that's fucking stupid frankly and i hope you realize that

Thank you for that well reasoned and fascinating insight.

>although nation-states are definitely irretrievably flawed

How are they flawed? I want to hear you explain it.

>i still submit that a certain kind of nationalism and localism is natural instinct.

Lots of things are natural instincts. That doesn't make them right or wise.

Nationalism gives people an excuse for caring for other people than themselves- we needed more nationalism when New Orleans was under water.

>>1855039
>How are they flawed? I want to hear you explain it.

because there's a conflict between nationalism and the liberal state system. the nation-state attempts to found a liberal state system on a national basis. the liberal state therefore, which should be universal, only applies to members of the nation because that's what it's founded on. there's a contradiction between the liberal rule-of-law universalism of the state and the specific, non-universal nationalism which the nation-state is trying to link, and it is bad, cf: the european state system 1900-1945

>Lots of things are natural instincts. That doesn't make them right or wise.

great idea, let's found a political system based on something that people aren't, instead of on the way in which people actually work. i'm sure this project will turn out great.