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Church Fathers. Anonymous Sun Jun 20 21:39:48 2021 No.18495907 [Reply] [Original]

When People say "read the church fathers" do they have any specifics in mine? I am trying to work through the general western canon, and just finished the bible, so I would like a next stop. Is there a good generally liked compendium of the church fathers and the formative ideas of the church? both from a more achademic perspective, as well as a primary source, or as close to a primary source there is, to get the gist of it.

I tend to like to read a primary source first, even in translation, before reading modern interpretations of it so that I can form conclusions and understandings of my own without bewing colored much in one way or the other. Recs?

>Primary, or near period sources (heard about
>Quick and durty overveiw of early saints and the early church
>More academic works on the early church

Preferably, I would also like any recs on Librivox, since I like to listen and follow along while i read. Also since I like late 1800s early 1900s authors and their way of stating things as well, which is a large part of librivox's library.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 21:41:54 2021 No.18495915 >Jesus doesn't have three monitors

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 21:42:12 2021 No.18495920 http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/churchfathers.html unironically a good resource for for this sort of thing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 21:42:12 2021 No.18495921 File: 2.79 MB, 2998x5240, shelf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18495907 the guys on the top left, for a start.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 21:47:17 2021 No.18495948 >>18495921 Its a little fuzy, but Eusebius? Church History probably, correct? Heard its rather retoric filled. Which is fine, to get the in pov perspective of something.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 21:50:03 2021 No.18495963 >>18495920 thanks. As I am not going for adegree in theology atm, is there a redacted selection anyone would recommend? As well as a post hoc guide to the subject in general? How about "Short History of the Christian Church" by John Fletcher Hurst?

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Anonymous Sun Jun 20 21:54:00 2021 No.18495991

>>18495948
yes, Eusebius' Church History. Holmes' The Apostolic Fathers contains some of the earliest letters of the Church, then the SVS books there: St Basil the Great, Saint Gregory of Nazianzus, St Athanasius, St Maximus the Confessor, St Gregory, St John Chrysostom.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 21:57:34 2021 No.18496017 >>18495907 Waste of time, the only one with even slight influence on subsequent Western writing is Augustine.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 22:02:08 2021 No.18496038 >>18495915 Hes not a worldly man, anon. 2 144hrtz, 1440p g-sinch enabled gaming monitors with a simple GTX2070 super is all he needs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 22:03:10 2021 No.18496047 >>18495991 Thanks guy, I appreciate it.

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Anonymous Sun Jun 20 22:20:11 2021 No.18496131

>>18496047
you're welcome. you may also enjoy Wilken's The Christians as the Romans Saw Them. quick read, good overview from Roman perspective. and if you have a bible with apocrypha, check out 1 and 2 Maccabees. martyr's resurrection of the body was a relatively new idea at the close of BC period. and if you want to know more about the world the Christians sprang from read Frigge's Beginning Biblical Studies.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 22:21:34 2021 No.18496142 >>18496038 where is jesus's mousepad

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 22:44:40 2021 No.18496274 >>18496131 Really appreciate all the pointers on the topic, good breadth of content there.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 23:11:42 2021 No.18496438 File: 270 KB, 1178x1024, Origen_emasculating_himself_MS._Douce_195.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18495907 i think origen was the most interesting of them because he castrated himsel

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 23:28:35 2021 No.18496526 who were the early rejectors of the church fathers?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 23:39:17 2021 No.18496594 >>18496526 romanfags and greeks like celsus

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 20 23:59:03 2021 No.18496744 >>18495921 Damn nice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 21 00:17:05 2021 No.18496816 >>18496142 Like I said. Hes not a worldly man. He makes due with less smooth flick shots.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 21 00:24:42 2021 No.18496841 >>18496816 >not a worldly man >two monitors

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 21 00:29:49 2021 No.18496866 >>18496841 Yes, he refrained the third for the good of all. And he only plays at 1440 instead of 4K. Truly an enlightened ascetic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 21 03:48:50 2021 No.18497543 b

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 21 04:05:12 2021 No.18497586 >>18496438 This is what religion does to you.

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Anonymous Mon Jun 21 04:13:25 2021 No.18497616
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>>18495921
>don't tread on me
> If we would explain the blind acceptance of Communism by so many thousands of workmen, we must remember that the way had been already prepared for it by the religious and moral destitution in which wage-earners had been left by liberal economics. Even on Sundays and holy days, labor-shifts were given no time to attend to their essential religious duties. No one thought of building churches within convenient distance of factories, nor of facilitating the work of the priest. On the contrary, laicism was actively and persistently promoted, with the result that we are now reaping the fruits of the errors so often denounced by Our Predecessors and by Ourselves. It can surprise no one that the Communistic fallacy should be spreading in a world already to a large extent de-Christianized.

Read the Divini Redemptoris.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 21 04:33:23 2021 No.18497667 >>18495991 What book offers the best (hopefully contemporary) coverage of the First Council of Nicaea?

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Anonymous Mon Jun 21 05:50:48 2021 No.18497879

>>18495907
Among the most important Church Fathers were Boethius and Augustin, read about these two if you want something concrete from that period of I-VI centuries. Boethius in known for his incredibly important work on translating Aristotle, and his translations had a gigantic influence on the entire europe for nearly a thousand years. The guy really, really loved reason and education.

Augustin is not as rational minded, but his works on theology and christian doctrine were the foundation of christianity. He wrote a lot about the trinity or free will, so if you are up to it, go check it out.

I particularly reocmmend Boethius' "Consolation of Philosophy", which was written in prison during the two years of his imprisonment, after which he was executed by having a metal circlet squash his head until the brain flew out. Metal as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 21 05:57:37 2021 No.18497898 >>18497616 You'd have a point if commies didn't want atheist states. Should look into the League of Militant Atheists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 21 05:59:04 2021 No.18497907 >>18495907 >>18497667 The Complete Ante-Nicene & Nicene and Post-Nicene Church Fathers Collection. It has everything you need.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 21 09:04:30 2021 No.18498614 >>18497616 will look into this thanks anon