/lit/ - Literature

>both are dialogues omg!!!!
The absolute level

>Why does /lit/ like Hinduism when it has been BTFO'd by Buddhism?
It never was though, Hindus like Kumarila Bhatta (pbuh) and Shankaracharya (pbuh) refuted all the arguments of Buddhists and vanquished it from India, Buddhists lost the debate in India which is why it's a Hindu country. Also, Buddhism is counter-traditional, sophistic, nihilistic, soul-denying and so on.

Ernst Johann Eitel accurately summed up Buddhism when he wrote in 1873:

>Modern philosophical schools of Buddhism are all more or less influenced by a spirit of sophistic nihilism. They deal with Nirvāṇa as they deal with every other dogma, with heaven and hell: they deny its objective reality, placing it altogether in the abstract. They dissolve every proposition into a thesis and its anti-thesis and deny both. Thus they say Nirvāṇa is no annihilation, but they also deny its positive objective reality.
>According to them the soul enjoys in Nirvāṇa neither existence nor non-existence, it is neither eternal nor non-eternal, neither annihilated nor non-annihilated. Nirvāṇa is to them a state of which nothing can be said, to which no attributes can be given; it is altogether an abstract, devoid alike of all positive and negative qualities.
>What shall we say of such empty useless speculations, such sickly, dead words, whose fruitless sophistry offers to that natural yearning of the human heart after an eternal rest nothing better than a philosophical myth? It is but natural that a religion which started with moral and intellectual bankruptcy should end in moral and intellectual suicide.


>pic
>The Buddhist Suttas are dialogues. So is the Bhagvat Gita
The Brihadaranyaka Upanishad and Chandogya Upanishads are centuries older than Buddha and they both contain dialogues, so maybe Buddha copied his dialogues from them along with so much else.

>>18486347
Btw: it's the opposite
Buddhists have never answered Adi Shankara argumentd

>>18486347
>Why does /lit/ like Hinduism
because we have testosterone

>>18486411
Is Buddhism Hinduism but for people with a testosterone deficiency?

People like you who absorb religious and philosophical thought not because you are legitimately interested in them but want to appear aggressively knowledgeable about different currents of philosophy are the worst kinds of pseuds, if ever there was a good pseud.

>>18486422
I guess you could say that. Or maybe Hinduism for NPCs

>>18486347

>>18486422
Then why do more whites revert to Islam than convert to Hinduism?

The responses from the h*ndus itt speak for themselves

>>18486484
Sorry, this is for >>18486411

>>18486403

>>18486484
Because Islam is much closer to the western mindset, they can already recognize so many familiar things within it, compared to Hinduism which is much more foreign.

>All this cope

>>18486527
Kumarila Bhatta didn't lose to Buddhists as your picture falsely claims, the Buddhist historian Taranatha himself admits that Kumarila Bhatta defeated a bunch of Buddhists in debates

>Kumārila is also credited with the logical formulation of the Mimamsic belief that the Vedas are unauthored (apauruṣeyā). In particular, his defence against medieval Buddhist positions on Vedic rituals is noteworthy. This contributed to the decline of Buddhism in India,[5] because his lifetime coincides with the period in which Buddhism began to decline.[1] Indeed, his dialectical success against Buddhists is confirmed by Buddhist historian Taranatha, who reports that Kumārila defeated disciples of Buddhapālita, Bhāviveka, Dharmadasa, Dignāga and others.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kum%C4%81rila_Bha%E1%B9%AD%E1%B9%ADa

The source for the claim it gives involving Taranatha admitting that Kumarila defeated Buddhists is:

page 4 of 'Buddhists, Brahmins, and Belief: Epistemology in South Asian Philosophy of Religion.' by Daniel Anderson Arnold

>>18486536
Low T detected

>>18486403
>According to them the soul enjoys in Nirvāṇa neither existence nor non-existence
what soul?

Bump

>>18486545
I don't suppose you can figure out why a Tibetan scholastic knowledgable enough of Indian Buddhism to give himself a sanskrit name would want to highlight which Buddhists lost debates to Hindus. This is in fact no different than saying they are 'retroactively refuted,' that they were so inept in their doctrines that they could lose to Hindus. It's a dig at not just those Buddhists but their opponents

>>18486731
>I don't suppose you can figure out why a Tibetan scholastic knowledgable enough of Indian Buddhism to give himself a sanskrit name would want to highlight which Buddhists lost debates to Hindus.
Maybe he was just being an honest historian. Buddhists (are supposed to) prioritize honesty, being dishonest including lying by omission violates 'right speech' which is one part of the 8-fold path.
>It's a dig at not just those Buddhists but their opponents
How is it a dig at Bhatta to note that he defeated Buddhists?

>>18486760
Well remember, in Buddhist doxography the Hindu schools are already wrong views. So to lose to Hindus in debate means you're worse than wrong.

>>18486731
What a weird cope lmao

>>18486406

Listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptnSWSvbTdY

>>18486536
He looks like Bruce Willis!!!
What a babe!!!

>>18486863
> literally who

>>18486786
>What a weird cope lmao

>>18486889
>

>>18486863
So here is the deal: pain doesn't cause suffering. This is basic Shaloin / Zen / Bodhidharma / Kung-Fu training.
So Buddhism is like a delicious can of dharma, and to get at it, all you have to do is reject the teaching on suffering.
Are you someone who recognizes the four noble truths as sophistry?

>>18486874
Abbot of a Theravada monastery in Southern California

>>18486347
buddha is cringe because exurb1a once made a video on it and Shankara is cringe because his philosophy could be boiled down to "we're just living in a simulation man." truth is that the secret to the meaning of life (and many other metaphysical questions) lies in emergence, if we cannot know why emergence is happening then we will forever walk in the dark.

>>18486347
It's cute watching you cowshit worshippers seethe at each other.

Both are annihilationist bullshit and neither are worth your time if you aren't an NPC who wants to kill your soul
Don't bother (you)ing me I'm not interested

>>18486939
Seethe

Anatta<Atman

>>18487207
Meaning?

>>18486347
Hinduism is based, simple as
Also
>they're both dialogues

>>18487392
Elaborate

>>18486403
None of this is true.

>>18487929
You sound agitated.

>>18486347
Why does /lit/ like Buddhism when it has been BTFO'd by Daoism

Virgin Indian religions:
>NOOO you can't have dialogues in your holy book when I already have them in mine!
>But what about the women???
Chad Jewish religions:
>We took all your holy books and slapped another one with a new prophet on top of them
>Okay

>>18487944
>Daoism
That is just anime Hinduism

>>18487944
based knower, daoism is everything you need to know without wasting time explaining shit that doesnt matter, if you know you just know

>>18486347
If you read hinduism you'll see the Hindu will sooner worship a rock, a cow, himself, his guru and anything else before worshiping the living God who created him. Sad!

>>18488372
>the Tao can't be named or known because some chinaman said so....So just do whatever in moderation lol
>back to me games, me sins and me fapping I suppose!

>>18488432
fuck ive been refuted

>>18488411
That sounds like Hinduism is based. What is your issue?

Bumpo

>>18486484
>Then why do more whites revert to Islam than convert to Hinduism?
Do they? Most of the obsession with oriental religions in the West is with India not the Middle East, because people seek to escape christianity.

>>18486347
>like Hinduism
It's one streetshitter guy who has nowhere else to post about his schizophrenic obsessions
All rel trash needs to go to x

I love many things in buddhism
Its analysis of dukkha, of the phenomenal world
Its yoga (samatha, jhanas, etc)
But I just can't find its explanation of consciousness convincing
Adi Shankara's arguments are much more convincing to me
So I can't accept the anatta doctrine
All the rest is good

>>18490199
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-12075931

>>18488372
>>18488432
The Dao weeds out the retards like you by not going down the Indian path of endless rhetorical dissection of words, when the only reality is in the doing

>>18490380
Propaganda article from the bbc is not reliable statistics. Try again.

Isn't hinduism an ethnic religion judaism?

>>18490293
Based

>>18490402
Lmao, more and more whites are converting to Islam. Bury your head inside the sand more.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/young-british-salafi-women-a7436611.html

>>18490419
How?

Bump

Bumpo

>>18490419
in what way would it be? There’s a multitude of ethnicities in the subcontinent, and it’s not like Hinduism is a truly organized religion like Judaism

>>18492922
Probably what he was trying to suggest is that Hinduism is an ethnically exclusive religion that can be hard to convert to for non-Indians. As to the truth of that, it appears that there are some temples that are exclusive and don't allow non-Indians to worship. But it is not the case with every Hindu temple.

>>18490419
>Like judaism
Sorry
>>18493562
>>18490541
>>18492922
I always thought that hinduism was like judaism in the sense that you are born in the religion whether you practice it or not unless you adopt another faith. I had this idea that hinduism worked like old pagan religions or modern tribal religions in which outsiders can't just convert. I don't know, what the majority of indians would think about a white man who considers himself a hinduist?

>>18494685
Yes...ish. Hinduism is somewhere in between Christianity and Judaism in terms of its inclusivity/exclusivity. While most Hindu schools of thought hold that foreigners are below Shudra (although in practice this just means that they're equal to Shudra), in practice the value of caste has decreased in Modernity (American GIs stationed in India during WWII were told to never, EVER touch food, EVER, because touching the wrong Hindoo's food was a crime punishable by death), and you can actually get "in-caste" relatively easily: marry into a caste or find one of the numerous jatis (varna = caste, jati = sub-caste) that lets you convert. Hinduism, by virtue of being thousands of different traditions lumped together, does have options for entry. You'll always be treated oddly (you're White, so you're higher than a Brahman, but you're White, so you're also lower than a Shudra, and you'll never be accepted as "Hindu").

There are also sects that are completely and utterly universal and aim to convert the entire planet. These sects tend to reject the validity of caste anyways, and the "in-group" are the people who know what the scam is. At the same time, there are traditions that are very strict about entry. If you consider Parsis to be Hindus (you shouldn't, but there is some truth to doing so) then for example you can never, ever become a Parsi, and your children won't be Parsi if you marry a Parsi. It's worth noting that most Hindus believe that the Vedas is ontologically fundamental to reality as it is derived from the syllable Om and that Sanskrit is literally the language that the Gods coded reality in.

A White man becoming a Hindu would be seen as fantastic if he was marrying a Hindu girl or living in India. Outside of India it'd be seen as very bizarre. It's worth noting that Hindus online have a love-hate relationship with Western polytheistic reconstructionism (on the one hand it's great because fuck Abrahamism, on the other hand the entire conception of political legitimacy in India is based on Indira Gandhi's anti-colonialism and noticing that Zeus, Thor, and Indra seem pretty similar is getting dangerously close to British Raj 2.0 in the eyes of the online autistic India).

>>18494755
Very informative. Can you expand on western polytheistic reconstruction?

>>18495103
Bumping for this

>>18495103
>>18496884
Not him but it was my understanding that Indra isn't really a primary god anymore in Hinduism compared to Brahma/Shiva/Vishnu. Also if Hindus are in fact applying the mosaic distinction against western neopagans attempting to translate divine names that's pretty hilarious. More British than the British themselves.

>>18486857
Adi shankara is regarded as an avatar of Shiva, get rekt buddhist-shitter

>>18486939
nigga your whole history of Christianity has been schisms and religious wars and now you cunts are soulless husks of a people with no culture, no religion and nothing. Your people are over, son.

>>18497052
Rude

>>18494685
>I always thought that hinduism was like judaism in the sense that you are born in the religion whether you practice it or not unless you adopt another faith. I had this idea that hinduism worked like old pagan religions or modern tribal religions in which outsiders can't just convert
Certain Vedic rites are off-limit for people not born in a certain caste, but the actual initiation into the specific sect of Hinduism you are trying to join is typically freely available to westerners without any racial, caste, nationality, birth requirements and so on; because the initiations into these sects as a rule are derived from the Tantric agama literature and not the Vedas. Shaivist and Shakist sects derive their initiations from the procedures given in the Shaktist/Shaivist agamas. Even the Vaishnavite groups do the same, most people dont think of Vaishnavite sects like Ramanuja’s Sri Vaishnavism as being ‘tantric’, but they too in fact draw their initiations as well as much of their doctrine from the Vaishnavite tantric agama literature known as the Pancharatra, and so there are usually no restrictions on being initiated into Vaishnavism either.

>>18494755
>the entire conception of political legitimacy in India is based on Indira Gandhi's anti-colonialism
What!? Nehru's anti-colonialism was more foundational but he now vilified as a secular socialist, contemporary political legitimacy comes from Hindu nationalism. Congress party under the Ghandi dynasty were annihilated in the last two elections.

>>18494755
>Zeus, Thor, and Indra seem pretty similar is getting dangerously close to British Raj 2.0
Literally never saw this. Hindus have always felt closer to other cultures' pagan gods.

>>18487297
>Infinity < Soul
I don't get it

>>18500165
Wut

>>18490402
Qur'an warned against people like you, those who will not see even if evidence is before their very own eyes..

>>18500667
Bruh