/lit/ - Literature

>>18437070
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

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>>18437080
Yet Samaritans and god fearers are for the father. The real issue is pagans.

Matthew 15:22-28

>>18437070
anyone who's argued with online atheists, marxists or the rainbow mafia will understand that verse intimately

Before Jesus says, “Do not cast your pearls before swine,” He says, “Do not give dogs what is sacred.” An analogy mentioning dogs is also used in Proverbs: “As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly” (Proverbs 26:11). A dual reference to swine and dogs is also found in 2 Peter 2:22, “Of [false teachers] the proverbs are true: ‘A dog returns to its vomit,’ and, ‘A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.’” In His sermon, Jesus uses dogs and pigs as representative of those who would ridicule, reject, and blaspheme the gospel once it is presented to them. We are not to expose the gospel of Jesus Christ to those who have no other purpose than to trample it and return to their own evil ways. Repeatedly sharing the gospel with someone who continually scoffs and ridicules Christ is like casting pearls before swine. We can identify such people through discernment, which is given in some measure to all Christians (1 Corinthians 2:15–16).

The command not to cast your pearls before swine does not mean we refrain from preaching the gospel. Jesus Himself ate with and taught sinners and tax collectors (Matthew 9:10). In essence, the instruction in Matthew 7:6 is the same that Jesus gave to His apostles when He said, “If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town” (Matthew 10:14). We are to share the gospel, but, when it becomes apparent that the gospel is not welcome, we are to move on. We are responsible to share the good news; we are not responsible for people’s response to the good news. Pigs don’t appreciate pearls, and some people don’t appreciate what Christ has done for them. Our job is not to force conversions or cram the gospel down people’s throats; there’s no sense in preaching the value of pearls to swine. Jesus’ instruction to His apostles on how to handle rejection was to simply go elsewhere. There are other people who need to hear the gospel, and they are ready to hear it.

>>18437080
But then He helps her
>>18437946
keep doing the good work anon

Truly amazing. Is there a chance that us people still haven’t figured out Christianity yet? Im sure with so many questions and arguments we still haven’t experienced Christianity to its fullest.

Both dogs and pigs are unclean animals. The symbolism, though it sounds harsh, is that the people who have rejected God and his people are not sacred and not clean.

The gospel should be preached to all people, but the children of Satan (Jn 8) will only trample the truth and go on the offensive in their hatred of God and the things of God. When an unbeliever who refuses God, though deep down they know the truth, hears the gospel, they are enraged. Christ says that they may be trampled by them. The other thing the “swine” may be is indifferent. In either case, moving on to fertile soil is in order.

This will obviously come on a spectrum of severity. Some will stop at glaring and verbally tearing down the truth-teller. Others have violently persecuted prophets and preachers, even killing them.

The Jews often referred to their Roman occupiers, and indeed anyone outside of the Jewish nation, as dogs. Paul often spoke of “dogs” as even those Jews who rejected the true gospel and wanted to intermingle the Jewish laws with Christianity. This is clear in Philippians 3:2 where he says “Look out for the dogs, look out for the evildoers, look out for those who mutilate the flesh” which speaks of circumcision and the Jewish or Mosaic Laws, thus it appears that what we are not to give to the dogs are the precious truths of God because they won’t act upon them anyway. Jesus knew men’s hearts and knew who would believe and who would reject Him (Matt 9:4; Luke 9:47). The first part of Matthew 7 was about those who unfairly judged so maybe Jesus was saying that giving this message of not judging when the person is a hypocrite would only be like casting pearls before swine or giving what is holy (the gospel) to the dogs (who reject the gospel). Then this “pearl” (of the gospel) is wasted on casting it before the unregenerate and unrepentant “swine” because they’ll only “trample it under their feet.” This seems to fit what the author of Hebrews wrote about in 10:29 “How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace.” When Jesus used the word “they” for “they will trample it under their feet” it seems to include both the dogs and the swine. Now, after they trample it under foot, then they turn on the one who cast it before them. We later see that the Jewish leaders who had long since been awaiting the Messiah turned on Jesus and tore Him to pieces…quite literally.

>>18437946
Good post friend

>>18437070
I always interpreted the dogs and the swines as the unteachable, the fools (for one because of Proverbs 26:11). The holy things and pearls are the pieces of wisdom and truth taken from the word, and certainly include the Gospel.

There is a clear distinction between sinners and fools. Sinners might be teachable, and fools might at a time even have accepted Christ, but are not willing to go deeper and be taught further.

On the other side we are not to judge people. Yet we need to be wise. Proverbs 9:8 tells us that rebuking a fool will have him hate you. That is by no means what we want. Thus, if we find somebody to be unteachable, we stop teaching him. But we certainly do not stop praying for the person.

>>18437070
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

>>18437946
>actually good Scriptural commentary on /lit/

Sometimes, when I'm on the verge of despair, I see a post like this and remember all over again why I love you guys.

>>18437946
Thanks man

>>18441617
(I am not any of the above posters)
Agreed. I do not have any social media or anything of the sort, and only come here for Christianity interactions. I have told a few people that I am sometimes truly amazed at the quality of Christian insight shared here (this and a couple of other boards) by some Anons. Most is noise at best, but the bits of signal that come through are often truly Bread.

>>18441617
I’d agree but it is boring first level faithful exegesis. It also reconciles the mission to the pagans in the most idiotically deletive way of Jewish Jesus.

>>18437080
You are missing the rest of that iconic moment

Probably not it but I'm imagining something like
>don't try to call the holy to attention to people who wouldn't feel it, wouldn't appreciate it, would sully it. maintain the holiness within yourself, in those situations, and relish it
definitely not it but cool quote

>>18437946
Beautiful

Infinite punishment for finite transgression is not just :^)

>>18442372
The bit where she says she'll lap up the crumbs that fall off the Jews table like a good gentile dog?

>>18437070

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Wicked_Husbandmen

Revelations 3:9

>>18437946
excellent post anon

>>18437070
Shouldn't this belong in /his/?

>>18438081
>Is there a chance that us people still haven’t figured out Christianity yet?
Almost 7 billion of them. The Church Fathers are long gone, with only a few true successors still around.

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>>18442451
was i really so far off?
srs

>>18437070
I wish the Romans had listened to that teaching and not given the pearls of Rome to the swine of Christianity.

>>18437946
>Jesus uses dogs and pigs as representative of those who would ridicule, reject, and blaspheme the gospel once it is presented to them.
And of the goyim.

>>18437070
Ironically, Christcucks have always been the swine of mankind.

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>>18438008
>But then He helps her
After she huminiates herself by comparing herself to a dog. Always remember that Jesus preached for the Jews and had contempt for the Goyim.

>>18443125
If your immortal soul is steeped in sin, analogously you will become akin with great evil.

>>18443128
Pretty funny smartass. Here's what I meant.
>28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

>>18445708
Jesus teached all, from the tribes that came from Jacob to all the gentiles. All were his sons and his lambs.

>>18445801
>and had contempt for the Goyim.
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9 When Jesus heard these things, he marveled at him, and turning to the crowd that followed him, said, “I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such faith.” 10 And when those who had been sent returned to the house, they found the servant well.

Don'tr try to twist the word of the Lord

>>18446055
Except the goyim whom like >>18437946 explained were seen as dogs until proven innocent which is contrasted with the Jews who were only said to be dogs/swine after the first round of pearls had been trampled.

But yes you are correct. If the goyim groveled and prostrated themselves to Jesus; accepting their dog status and unworthiness as the woman did, then Jesus grafted them on to the tree. Makes me as a "goyim" feel so blessed and grateful.

>>18446064
I twisted no word. He called her a dog a few lines above that. You are the dishonest one.

>>18446927
See the explanation of this thread. You fail to understand the word of The Lord and accuse others of being dishonest, shame on you.

>>18447023
Delusional

>>18447973
Liar

>>18447992
schizo

>>18448376
psycho

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>>18448376
>I am going to cherry pick certain verses and ignore the context, previous, and successive verses to fit my narrative, haha Christcucks btfo

Don't you have a tranny thread to post on /pol/ Shlomo?

>>18449364
>y-you're a jew!
Since I am in a Judeo-christian thread, I will take that as a compliment.

>>18438635
i've always felt this designation is unfair to dogs, who are (usually) beautiful, graceful creatures who experience pure joy in the unconditional love they offer to humans

>>18437070
I see theists trample and turn others to pieces more often than atheists.

>>18449774
Never seen SJWs exile someone and rip them to shreds on social media because they have an opinion that doesn't 100% line up with the current ideology? Look at JK Rowling, their former darling.

>>18446927
He actually called her that because she is a gentile but he tested her faith and she redeemed herself