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I have not read the book, in fact I haven't read McCarthy at all. Just saw the movie No Country for Old Men, checked out who wrote it, checked out plots for his other books, and the ending in BM seemed pretty weird so I did some further searching for analyses.
All my knowledge to the subject comes from analyses of people who have read the book and are crafting hypotheses, usually with excerpts form the book attached.
The most probably interpretation I've come accross is that Judge Holden is the personification of evil, a supernatural being. Some think he's literally the Devil, Lucifer and all that. I think that's pretty close, since the Devil is considered to be the corruptor, the dark side of human nature. Given how Judge Holden is an actual person and committed plenty of atrocities (at least that's what an excerpt from Chamberlain's memoir from the Glanton Gang said so), I think we can conclude that the Judge Holden in BM is supernatural, since, according to an analysis I read, he doesn't actually kill anyone in the book. And the fact that he's also omniscient and hates literal reflection (which could stand for self-reflection, the person telling which of his deeds are bad and which are good) makes it seem more likely. The reflection part comes from a synopsis I read about shooting a reflection on a lake of one of the characters. Not to mention he plays the fiddle, which, according to a medieval legend, was selected by the devil as an "unholy weapon for enticing people to dance".
The interpretations carry on to say that it was the missing bear girl in the jakes, and the man pissing outside was The Man after fully giving into his dark side (the metaphor of embracing the Judge). I don't have any guesses for this part
Some people have mentioned lights. Others mentioned an excerpt from the Judge's speech at the end where he says that The Man has to "slay a big bear". At first I thought he meant the girl's bear, but for what reason? Then I remember that the Big Dipper is literally named "big bear", Ursa Major. There's a reference to the Dipper in the beginning of the book. The last section of the book is a metaphor for the Big Dipper in my opinion. Ursa Major is also called "plough" and the object that the person opening the holes has two handles, and in a letter, McCarthy mentioned that it has "two blades". That's basically the description of the ancient plough. The person lights fire in the holes, which could be interpreted as the stars forming the Big Dipper. I can't really make anything of the people following the person. Could that person be God?

Anyway, I think that it basically describes a rebirth. Big Dipper in the beginning, Big Dipper at the end. The Man has to kill the Big Dipper which could be interpreted as having to kill his beginning, in a sense committing spiritual suicide and giving in to the dark side or something like that. But then the epilogue is the beginning. The ride never ends?

>> No.18440520

There's also the "You must sleep and I must dance" quote of the Judge. The Man's dark side telling his light side that he should fuck off because he's taking over?
Judge Holden is 7ft tall, Ursa Major consists of 7 stars (technically 8 but 7 are visible). Is Judge Holden the "big bear" that must be killed by The Man? Does The Man actully kill his dark side? If he already IS his dark side, does he kill himself in the jakes? That wouldn't be very shocking.
Is McCarthy just a fucking moron and he just planted things here and there to distract the readers, and many of the things that people theorize about (like the missing kids) just don't fucking matter at all, and are coincidental?
Judge calls The Man "the last of the true ones". A "true one" for the Judge would be someone dark/evil since the Judge is a metaphor for the dark side of the human soul.
The Kid kills Elrod, which in hebrew means "God is the king". This would mean that he kills his good side, if we are to assume that god = good. But why would he later kill the "big bear", the Judge, his dark side?
Is the plough at the end a symbolism for the Big Dipper, and the holes aren't actually the stars but the lives the Big Dipper "starts", just like it "started" the life of The Kid/The Man at the beginning?
The Judge being Lucifer, the light-bringer, might suggest that he is the one responsible for the fires in the pits opened by the Plough (himself). So the ride never ends. This is similar to No Country for Old Men; that them (the ride never ends) is present there as well.
But then again, the Judge is still there after he is supposedly killed by the Man. It could just be a metaphor that evil never dies, the ride never ends. So he could be there even if the Man killed him - the Judge exists in everyone (especially in trannies I reckon). However if the Man is evil, and he killed evil (himself), then who unlocked the jake? It locks from the inside. The Man must've gotten out, so he didn't kill himself.
Maybe the Man just took a dump of biblical proportions and clogged the jake. Maybe he broke a couple bucks in there. Who knows.
PS I'm not a native english speaker and I haven't taken my meds

>> No.18440536

Here's another theory I just came up with

The ending describes the ending of the book. The Man does not commit suicide, the "big bear" i.e. the big dipper is a metaphor for the whole book. It's the ending of the book
The Man just embraces the evilness in him and the world and the book ends. The person looking in the jake simply sees the entirety of the book's content, the whole story
The Man just goes out and takes a piss. The story has ended, the book has ended

Finally we see that the ride never ends in the epilogue, more stories like the one that just ended are beginning

>> No.18440586

>>18440517
>I have not read the book, in fact I haven't read McCarthy at all. Just saw the movie No Country for Old Men, checked out who wrote it, checked out plots for his other books, and the ending in BM seemed pretty weird so I did some further searching for analyses.

Kill yourself faggot.

>> No.18440658

>>18440586
I second this

>> No.18440668

>>18440586
>>18440658
>reading a shitmerican's scribbles
lemao fags all of his shit is overrated anyway. Only his symbolisms are interesting

>> No.18440759

>>18440668
Your opinion is invalid if you haven't read it

>> No.18440785

>>18440759
>you have to eat shit to be able to say that shit tastes bad!
His books are so shit that even someone who haven't read them can come up with better explanations for his symbolisms than the people who have read them.

>> No.18440944

>>18440785
Ypu are really pathetic. To waste time on schizo fanfiction about books you never read might suggest a high level of mental illness in yourself

>> No.18441004

>>18440944
Cope harder, imagine wasting DAYS of your life in reading a schizo's ramblings. Most people who have read his books have shitty interpretation of his symbolisms too, so anyone who actually reads his books is a midwit
dilate

>> No.18441033
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>>18441004
You are so fucking pathetic that you are wasting time reading OTHER people's interpretation of it to write your retarded fanfiction. Imagine being so obsessed and so much of a cuck, kek. Sucks being an ESL, doesn't it Yuronigger? I have the read the first and last lines of your analysis, your undoubted low IQ makes it really predictable and proves further that your analysis is worse than a high school student's who at least read half of the book. Seethe tranny. FACTS

>> No.18441036

>>18441033
>>18440944
>>18440759
>>18440658
>>18440586
Why are you idiots falling for this retard's bait?

>> No.18441052

>>18441036
It's fun to point out to retards their retardation. Besides, the yuro is dumb enough to actually believe what he is saying.

>> No.18441690

>>18440517
Sometimes the curtains are blue, anon.

>> No.18442078

>>18440517
>he doesn't actually kill anyone in the book
wow i guess you read the analysis of someone who also did not read the book

>> No.18442092
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>>18440517
The Big Dipper is the Man Against Time.
It is the seasonal anchor that spins around the North Star. Siriusly m8

>> No.18442728

>>18440517
Or you could just read the book instead of copying an essay you found on the internet. Blood Meridian is a challenging but good read, highly recommend.

>> No.18442744

>>18440517
Whoa brother, that's a lot of words

>> No.18442771

>>18440517
Holden is enlightenment rationality confronted with the tabula rasa of its own deficiency.

>> No.18442778

>>18442771
Agreed which is why the gnostic overtones work so well because the demiurge or his archons would be not unlike the ultimate rationalist striver