/lit/ - Literature

Not sure if Robert Graves' King Jesus would be what you want but worth a look. He is the guy who wrote I, Claudius.

>>18434940
Will check it out, thank you.

>>18434930
>including his flaws and so on?
I hate you retards.

Just watch your crappy Paul Schrader film and don't spread your stupidity any further than it need be.

>>18434930
Lamb by Christopher Moore.

The Gospel According to Jesus Christ by José Saramago is literally what you just described.

He had no flaws. The Bible is the most realistic depiction because it’s true.

Saramago wrote one. It's called O Evangelho segundo Cristo - probably the evangel by Christ, or some shit like that in English. It's pretty good and the last page is stunning.

>>18434947
What I mean is the depiction of Jesus Christ the man in a human way.

>>18434930
If He'd had flaws then He wouldn't have been able to serve as our sacrificial lamb and there would have been no gospels or Paul or John's Revelation.

>>18434962
Awesome, thank you. I had heard of this but couldn't recall the title.

>>18434930
the bible..
>>18434965
he did have flaws, he had a temper amongst other things. though op is not really looking to read the gospels but some modernist interpretation that will nonetheless be some heretical garbo

>>18434981
Yes, and this type "historical criticism" as they say, this endeavour of humanism, is a false and small minded one.

>>18435006
God has no flaws. His temper was justified.

>>18435006
>"he did have flaws, he had a temper amongst other things."
>anger being a flaw
I ask you this: are you even a man?

>>18434947
>>18435030
Absolutely based

>>18435030
>>18434947
This.

>>18434930
read some Bart Ehrman or any other historical-critical interpretation. That is the closest you will get to a historical picture of who Jesus really was in his own time. Every other suggestion here is a distraction.

>>18434962
>>18434971
That was a really dissapointing book. I imagined Saramago would genuinely explore the feelings of the human side of Jesus, but no, instead it's a cynical story that fails to understand Jesus and christianity The part of Lazarus is just horrible or the "Men, forgive Him, for He knows not what He has done" during the crucifixion.
But Saramago was a commie, so is not that surprising.

>>18435006
>Righteous fury at the Temple being used as a place to make muh sheckels
>anon thinks this is a temper issue
Oi vey.
You do know that sinless means absolutely perfect right? as in no flaws?

>>18434940
It's very close to that. So much so that it upset a lot of people at the time

>>18434962
>"Men, forgive Him, for He knows not what He has done"
Yeah that sounds pretty cringe

>>18434930
May every curse in the torah fall upon you

>>18435042
Anger is a flaw and the fact that it is reminds us of our manhood.

You want to dethrone Christ? You want the story of a man, then do that. But a fiction on Christ as a man, is atheistic and liberal trash. The is no Christ without His nature as God and man.

>>18434985
>sacrificial lamb
Implying of course that the man died for your sins? Read the end of the book. He didn't die. His whole message was that there IS NO DEATH.

>>18434930
>God
>flawed

Last Temptation of Christ, perhaps?

Of course Scorsese's film was already mentioned, but I've heard a lot of good things about Kazantzakis' novel.

>>18436840
Jesus died and came back to life. You need to reread the book

>>18436840
>He didn't die.

>>18435490
The description of it makes it sound like something an edgy kid would write in 10th grade.

Humanizing Christ is so passé. Returning to unironic PANTOKRATOR iconography would be pretty dank, though.

>>18436874
The Last Temptation of Christ is more of a "what if?" than anything. A vision/inner monologue that plays out considering the idea of him having the same very human desires and emotions that we do. But, spoiler-- he doesn't give into them, because it's only a vision.

Too many Christians deem it as 'blasphemous'. I think it's fascinating.

>>18436921
>it was just a prank, uh, dream bro

>>18434930
matthew mark luke john

>>18434947
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>>18435375
>Paul Schrader
>crappy
Absolute pleb.

>>18436905
It is, you can tell Saramago was trying to mock and create a secular and cynical version of the gospels. Jesus doesn't even resurrect Lazarus in the novel because Mary Magdalene tells him that living again is worse than dying, even if Martha if asking him with all her devotion to revive her brother.
It's a horrible book.
>>18437013
He is bad, First Reformed is also pretty dumb.
Watch Corpus Christi for real christian kino

>>18437130
even if Martha is asking him*

>>18434930
>Are there any books which depict the life of Jesus Christ in a realistic way, including his flaws and so on?
The Bible

>>18437130
Seconding corpus christi, incredible movie. Not even christian

>>18436853
>jesus
>god

>>18434947
Silence, Christcuck, you filthy, illiterate, blind animal. Go back to suckling the toes of your daddy Jesus, and his husband the Holy Ghost.

>>18437267
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>>18434930
>Are there any books which depict the life of Jesus Christ in a realistic way
the Gospels
>including his flaws and so on?
God is flawless in every conceivable way

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>>18434930
>flaws
Anon, I…

the jesus of history by T.R Glover

>>18437417
>3=1

>>18437442

>>18434930
>flaws

I want to beat you senseless. You stupid cur. Go back to watching your Netflix originals, maybe that is "realistic" enough for you. The King of Kings has no flaws.

>>18437445
Holes in your hands and feet is a pretty glaring flaw, anon.

>>18437443
This but for Islam. Fuck the atheists. Accept the goatpill.

>>18437443
>>18437445

>>18437455
nty, lmao
>>18437456

>tradcath larper argumentation consists of 2010s r/atheism memes

>>18437477
>atheist argumentation consists of stale old wojaks and tired bait images
It goes both lanes, bub. Even calling this an argument is being disingenuous.

>>18437481
Then let's try and raise the bar: explain how the jew on a stick is actually god.

>>18437490
Because the 4 gospels say he is

>>18437491
...and the quran says he isn't. Surely, you have other arguments which are more substantial.

>>18437497
Sure, but based on your use of wording (christcuck, jew on a stick) I am also willing to bet that you really do not give a shit about any arguments made. Even with that, I'll raise the bar, Jesus was the messiah based on the old testament prophecy. Based on accounts that formed the gospels, he also made a stake to divinity.

>>18437511
What sets these accounts apart from, for example, accounts of UFOs and bigfoot?

>>18437529
The people who attested to these accounts knew him? But perhaps the best testament to it is that said people, including his brother were willing to start an unpopular movement and face heavy persecution.

>>18437541
The same could be said for every modern day cult; Aum Shinryoko, Heaven's Gate, the People's temple and so on. I asked for proof that Jesus is god and, so far, your only argument is that people believed it was true.

>>18434930
google "historical Jesus"

>>18437586
Jesus being God only works in an Abrahamic worldview and to be totally honest, its clear you do not care, subscribe and see such a worldview with contempt. I've applied the first statement of fact, that Jesus himself made a stake to divinity, his apostles very much believed this (even worshipping him), even a random dumb shmuck Paul, who was a Jew hating Christian became a Christian. Then there's the resurrection and the alleged miracles.

>>18437602
I get it, Jesus is god because people believe that he is god. I hope that, one day, I will also be able to achieve a similar level of idolatry.

>>18437635
You've hit the mark, anon, you have to believe. I suppose you can go worship Muhammad or something.

>>18434930
I hate fags like you.

>>18434930

>>18437755
>no vita christi
secrete

If you don't believe in the literal resurrection of Jesus then there's no point in calling yourself a Christian.

>>18437960
>vita christi
Not even a biography

>>18435030
it's not a criticism, you absolute reprobate. some people just long for an honest portrayal. that's all.

>>18438237
>it's more honest to portray Jesus as a coward among other bad things
It's more honest to you because you are a coward, and you cannot see anything else in others, or rather want to see that in others, to lower them to yourself, rather than heighten yourself to them.

You are small and mean minded.

>>18438237
also that's what "historical criticism" is, it doesn't literally mean you're "criticising" a person, it means you're questioning the traditional sources and are changing the character to be more "realistic".