/lit/ - Literature

I liked "And the Ass..etc" okay. But...struggle to remember it
A backyard gladiator pit for UFC with animals?
Was this a metaphor for telelvision?
A dude in a well? Who kills a sweet little girl and is in love with the prostitiute?
I remember the phrase, 'the moonlight shone on his sychte-blade' or something like that-a lot of times
Also: yeah, Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, Tom Waits, are songwriters who seem like they read a lot of books.
What about you OP? What do you think of his books?
King Ink is really just scattered thoughts and poetry...
what was his latest called?

>>1841633

Yeah, that was pretty intense stuff. I just love the way he approached the depravity of the main character, with such flawless nonchalance. I'm a giant fan of his, so I like everything he's ever uttered.

His latest was The Death of Bunny Munro. It's very different from And the Ass . . ., but it's impossible to say which is the better novel. Both are superbly written. He's currently rewriting Bunny Munro as a miniseries for John Hillcoat to direct.

that's great that he will do some television. Cave remains an interesting artisti b/c he seems to just do what interests him. He has picked from a very dark set of influences but he seems 'happy' there with them

He isn't very talented.

>>1841652

Have you seen the film he wrote? It's called The Proposition. John Hillcoat also directed that. It's definitely worth a watch.

>>1841655
Yeah, saw the Prop. The Scarlet Plague by Jack LondonHe gives a good interview on the DVD. Liked it. Liked his bits in Wenders movies...I think my favorite thing about Cave is how he was never a hippie and never wrote about Trout Fishing.

>>1841660

He probably went on heroin-fueled hippie massacres with Mick Harvey in his younger days. As for trout fishing, I doubt that he has ever had a single thought in that general direction.

>>1841653
hey kentucky, whats up

>>1841662
Have you heard Harvey's tribute to Serge Gainsbourgh?
"Intoxicated Man'?

>>1841666
I have not, but I have just vowed to myself that I will find it. Apparently he did two albums. I'm very intrigued.

>>1841662
I dunno, I'd say it crossed his mind as a way of metaphorically talking about killing women. But what hasn't. Also, this is the third cave thread I've seen in two days. Why?

I HATED Bunny Munro, and I am a huge fan of Cave's. It was so... I don't know. Basic noir, but not noir enough to be noir and it just took me right out of it.

ATASTA was really good though. Took me a few reads to get what the hell was going on though. There are still huge chunks that I just cannot fathom.

His songs are where his storytelling really shine though. It's why i'm not such a fan of Grinderman, because he abandons storytelling for a more abstract writing style. Still awesome though.

>>1841681
>why?

He's never been hugely obscure, but just lately he's done a few high-profile soundtracks and now he is going into TV and whatnot. Plus Grinderman 2 was a far bigger success than anticipated and even got some radio time. And the Mercy Seat was used in a recent movie, though I forget which.

>>1841681
Because Nick Cave had a giant influence on music. On /tv/, you'll still see Lost and Dr. Who threads. The difference is that Cave deserves to be discussed.

>>1841687
Also, O Children was in the last Harry Potter film, a hilariously misguided attempt at bringing some artistic integrity to a turd of a film.

>>1841687
>>1841688
I'm not saying he's obscure, or not worth talking about, just that I've been on /lit/ fairly regularly since it was a board, and I've only seen him mentioned once or twice, and now there's threads devoted to him left and right. Also, This is the first mostly positive one that i've seen.

I'd contribute, but I haven't read any of his books. I bought 'And the Ass...' for my friend and he read it cover to cover twice in pretty short order, so I've been meaning to. Plus, Murder Ballads might be my favourite album, and The Proposition is probably the best Australian movie I've seen.

>>1841688
Also, Doctor Who deserves to be discussed. Dunno about Lost.

I liked the Proposition a lot, but I couldn't dig the weird repeated recited bit. Something about the rider, and gun, and wind, and something...

Little-known Nick Cave fact for /lit/: The Lyre of Orpheus is pretty much directly stolen/'inspired by' Ted Hughes' poem about Oedipus. The 'oh momma' chorus in the original makes more sense, no?

>>1841665
What's up? Good to see you again.

I think The Boatmen's Call was an excellent album.

He is a talented musician.

He is published due to this musical talent.

His literary work isn't top level.

>>1841685

I said on one of the other Nick Cave threads, and I'll say it again that I think the /lit/ audience may be a little young for Bunny Munroe (no dis, and no comment on the intelligence of youth). Since it's a man having a massive midlife meltdown in the worst possible way, it's possible that the themes don't speak to you so much. I loved the book, but I'm closer to my own mid-life crisis than I am to my teenage years. One of my female friends, only a few years younger than me hated it, although she's a massive Cave fan.

More widely, Cave's influences are almost as much literary as they are musical. I think of him as a writer who works as a musician, rather than the other way round. It's interesting to see how much of an influence Berryman has had on him, I think. Henry's Dream is one of the best albums Cave made (and the worst produced, if a record ever needed remaking it's that one).

There's also a track on Dig Lazarus Dig called More News From Nowhere which seems to be an attempt to write a musical autobigraphy which is simultaneously a re-write of the odyssey in less than five minutes. It's not the best song he ever wrote, but fuck me, you've got to admire the ambition. The guy's been making music since 1973, and he's still producing solid material.

And we haven't even discussed The Birthday Party, who were probably one of the most influential and astonishing bands of the 1980s.

>>1841745
Are you the one starting all the recent Cave threads?

Honestly??

>>1841756

Honestly not - I'm as bewildered as you. I've only contributed to one other as well, so I never done nuffink chief.

>>1841738
Not much, whatcha been up to?

>>1841777
Same old stuff. Hot as shit here in Louisville and still working the night shifts.

About to go to bed for the day.

Take care, mate.

>>1841795
Haha, I bet it's real nice and hot, take care

ah found that after readin An' th' Ass Saw th' Angel that ah could not speak, write or even THINK in any othuh accent. damn yew, nick cave.