/lit/ - Literature

>>18394286
Monad would be more like the finger pushing the first domino but you get what I mean.

>>18394286
Creation fucking sucks. You're retarded if you don't want to undo creation.

>>18394560
Okay, edgelord.
I actually had that exact image in my mind as another argument against these philosophies because the timeless state of uncreation is basically death in that image.

>>18394286
creation is good but limited in it's goodness. You don't undo creation but sublimate it and return it to it's infinite perfection of it's origin. You undo the fall, not the creation (the positive aspect of our world, but not the limitative) as to stay.

Also off topic but gnosticism/new age doesn't save, you need to find a real tradition.

>>18394286
I think there's a noteworthy difference between philosophies that advocate returning to the Monad because creation is flawed, a trap, or an illusion and those that see participation in material existence as a necessary part of the process which ends in a state of closeness or union with the Monad.

>>18394286
Nothing can redeem this dump. Suffering, fear, and predation for millions of years. Get real. The only thing that makes this place seem redeemable is human ignorance.

the source is absolute nothing. it is such a nothing that something can come out of it without a reason as the need for a reason for things to exist doesnt exist. the demiurge is the brute fact that everything arises out of. it thinks it is all there is, because the real source that is absolute nothing is nowhere to be seen. but because of this, it thinks it is neccesary and imposes its authority onto everything existent. but gnosis is getting to understand that none of it is fundementally neccesary, and the laws of nature pretending to be the ultimate fundemental laws, are but one of limitless brute facts. so to the fall becomes the existence of a something. and the return will come when you become nothing.

It's a really easy way to make everything linearly go back to some thing so that you can very neatly explain everything in natural language. You can very easily make aesthetic, moral, and political statements. Why is [thing you don't like] bad? Because God/Monad/Allah exists. Nice, easy, simple.

It's much harder to accept that reality is really fucking messy and that these nice, easy, and simple explanations of how things work are completely wrong.

>>18395034
You're just desensitizing yourself to evil and pretending if you just live with it you'll be in a position to speak for those who can't. That's all you're doing.

>>18395017
Based gnostic. The magician's secret is: nothing.

>>18394560
commit suicide

>>18395200
You are just a sensitive bitch.

>>18394650
based post

>>18394286
How do the Sefirot overlay onto Plotinus three primary hypostases?

>>18395581
say that to sylvia likens

>>18395656
Keep pretending you care about wellbeing individuals when you fundamentally want everyone to not exist.

>>18395017
Why not embrace existence while you have it instead of dwelling on this? Nothingness isn't going anywhere and doesn't care what you do.

>>18395581
Says the pussy too afraid to call a spade a spade.

>>18395594
Ain = One
Supernal Triad = Nous
Geburah to Yesod = Soul
Malkuth = Matter

>>18394650
>need to find a real tradition.
Bullshit, you just need contemplation. Don't fall for the Guenon meme

>>18394560
>muh badness exists
There is no eliminating polarity in being

>>18395017
If absolute nothing were possible, anything existing would be very improbable, therefore absolute nothing isn't possible, there must always be something

>>18397358
Precisely. The source isn't nothing, it is limitless potentiality. The ground from which all processes arise.

>>18394560
Ignoring your retarded comment, I've been looking for that pic. Thanks for posting it. I don't know if I just like this argument because it's comforting, but I do think it's a good one.

>>18394560
the problem with this argument as with many of the arguments in favor of a immortal soul is that takes for granted a lot of things, make a petitio principii fallacy, why the non existence state before birth should be the same after death?
it's just a trick of language, because i perceive both states as states with "no time" i infer they should be the same thing, but that just a huge assumption i'm taking for granted
a place where time don't exist is by definition unthinkable, because time is the first category we use to perceive and this think an conceptualize things, so thinking we can articulate categories(the sameness of no time before birth and the no time after death) to such thing is a huge stretch and obviously a trap of language and logic
unfortunately that sphere of reality is forever forbidden to us, any attempt to rationalize it or use logic will end u backfiring and making us delude ourselfs in our own bias and fears of the unknown

>>18394560
>>18397385
However the emergent re-ordering of your consciousness probably wouldn't be in the same arrangement, if it mirrors matter/ energy then it would be fractured and distributed, so you would never exist again in the same arrangement (at least in any finite timeframe).

Plant a tree above your corpse if you want to remain "rooted" on this earth.

The Sun is the Icon of God in the world.
What does Aten do through all time?
He ascends, and he descends.

>>18394286
We are here because of the primordial sin and He wants us to return to him. Stop making excuses to live like a degenerate and do something for the sake of your soul.