/lit/ - Literature

>>18388437
the sailor who fell from grace with the sea.

Thousand cranes

>>18388437
Runaway Horses

>>18388437
Confessions of a mask

>>18388437
Thirst for love.

First that I've read, the others were just a version of that for me, except the Confessions of a mask and the Sun and steel, those two are a separate thing.

Confessions of a Mask because he's just like me :)

Temple of the Golden Pavilion
>>18388655
I don't get it, usually that meme is for edgy or cool characters but the protagonist of Confessions was just a depressed wimpy homosexual

>>18388437
We don’t read.

>>18388678
I think that was the point of >>18388655

Don't read translations.

>>18388678
I'm literally a gay sadomasochist bro, I dunno what else you want me to say.

>>18388655
Same, I've even gone through similar experiences, and hold similar views to Mishima.

>>18388708
Did you masturbate over the image of Saint Sebastian as a meme, Death in Junebro?

i read confessions of a mask and got a gay vibe from it

>>18388708
Nazis = Fags = Narcissists

Burn in Hell, always and forever.

Was it something like this that turned him on?

>>18388751
me irl

>>18388751
God, I wish that were me.

The Sailor who Fell from Grace with the Sea is my favorite.
Also unrelated but did anyone else have a hard time getting into Temple of the Golden Pavilion? I read maybe 45% of it but I just couldn't enjoy it enough to finish reading, especially compared to his other books

>>18388437
Real shit, can I start with Sun & Steel if I'm a fat fuck?

>>18388751
To understand Mishima you need to understand the Hagakure. That book alone was one of the most influential on his entire life.

From what I've read

Runaway horses > Spring snow > Temple of the golden pavilion > Confessions of a mask

Spring Snow

>>18390176
>if I'm a fat fuck?
I think Dennett might be more your speed.

theyre all shit

>>18388748
wtf does this even mean

>>18388437
You guys sure love sucking this fag's dick. Do you guys even read other Japanese writers?

>>18388437

>>18392050
I read writers that I like, regardless of their ethnicity.

>>18388437
Spring Snow was my first and to this day is my favorite.

>>18392050
I’ve only also read Dazai and Murakami. I’ll read more eventually but since I’m also a big anime and manga faggot I often like to use books to take a break from Japanese shit.

>>18392060


I wasn't even shitting on him for being a jap. I was bitching about how he seems to be the only Japanese writer /lit/ ever talks about or even knows.

>>18388437
The temple of the golden pavilion > forbidden colors > life for sale > the sailor > star

>>18388437
Sun and steel

>>18392599
was Aniki /lit/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnoptTyhFsE

>>18388437
Forbidden Colors is my favorite.

>>18388437
After the Banquet

The Sound of Waves is one of my favorite books.

>>18392621
He was a fag. So he probably was.

>>18393433
He wasn't gay. He had relationships with women and fucked men.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd8vzIRQLLM

Whats the one thats untranslated in english but apparently pretty good?

>>18388437
Runaway Horses without a doubt.

Temple of the golden pavilion!

>>18392050
Oe is based

>>18388595
The only good answer

>>18388678
is him being gay a meme or true

>>18388751
rather hot

>>18395319
Have you read mishima? He obvs would have loved a big strong man to play Daddy for him and discipline him black and blue. I'm not even joking.
Maybe not gay, but definitely a sodomy enthusiast

>>18395332
it was a factor I considered when I thought about if I should be reading him

>>18395319
Yes but he had two kids with his wife, something you won’t have making you a bigger faggot than Mishima man deep in Japboypucci

>>18395360
Well rest assured he loves sodomy. Of course you should be reading him.
Theres also a scene in mask where the narrator (who is 80% mishima) imagines eating a naked man and its somehow erotic.

>>18395365
Did you miss the phenomenon of gay men marrying women and trying to repress their sexuality in the 19th and 20th century?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNIbb-52lGU

>>18388595
This

>>18395319
He wrote a book about jacking it to a painting of a man being stabbed by arrows and having a armpit fetish.
His love letters were published.
He enjoyed spending time at the gym and make bath houses.

>>18395319
Nothing gay about appreciating the male form?

>>18397113
That's exactly what it's about. It's peak incel lit. Even the common a trope of mass shooters where the poisonous outside influence manipulates the vulnerable outcast. It's much better than Notes From Underground or what have you. Mishima was unironically and literally ahead off his time.

>>18397312
>Even the common a trope of mass shooters
even has*
remvove the a too

>>18388549
CRINGE

>>18397312
>That's exactly what it's about. It's peak incel lit.
YES BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE AN INCEL MAKING YOUR POST,I'M CONFUSED

I relate to confessions of a mask a little too much for comfort

>>18388549
Im reading this now. That man was gay as fuck

>>18392050
>Do you guys even read other Japanese writers?
Only the suicidal ones.

>>18388721
No shit?

>>18392050
>Do you guys even read other Japanese writers?
can anyone recommend some good ones? other than Mishima I only know Dazai and Murukami

>>18398975
Kawabata and Oe, both Nobel Prizes. Tanizaki too, see Makioka Sisters, but his pulpy novels are more famous in the West. Koko Abe isn't bad either.

*Obviously* Natsume Soseki, specially his later works (not a big fan of his coming-of-age comedies) or Akutagawa. Not sure of what authors of this early period are translated. I enjoyed the prose of Izumi Kyoka.

As for modern writers, Yoko Ogawa has a lot of range and is way better than Murakami. I haven't read Hiromi Kawakami, but some of her titles seem inviting.

>>18392050
haruki murakami is partly comfy partly boring but overall overrated, ryu murakami is an edgelord but i did laugh reading from the fatherland with love, natsume soseki is criminally underrated on /lit/, kobo abe is weird as shit. dazai and kawabata i haven't read yet. the thing with mishima is that apart from a few exceptions(sound of waves, sun and steel) most of his books that got translated are reiterations of the same theme.

>>18399866
Kawabata is the best jap writer.
Mishima falls varying degrees short of greatness in everything i've read, but maybe the sea of fertility is genuinely great?

>>18395105
No he is not. He hates nuclear power and right wingers

>>18399884
I'm afraid that (at least) the later two entries of Fertility fall for the same trap. There are moments of genius and Mishima's core themes reach their complete form, but there's some inconsistency. Spring Snow and Runaway Horses are great though.

Kawabata is great and very Japanese, but he lacks the cerebral appeal of Mishima. Also, it feels as it he loses a lot in translation.

>>18399946
I agree, I just finished reading the tetralogy, and the last two books really dragged on for me.

>>18399917
I don't give a fuck about his politics you retard. His art is based. Fuck off back to your politics board. I don't agree with Mishima politically either but hes still based

>>18388437
bump

>>18398975
Ryunosuke Akutagawa
Kafu Nagai
Ogai Mori
Kensaburo Oe
Ango Sakaguchi
Kenji Miyazawa
Chuya Nakahara
Takayuki Kiyooka
Sakutaro Hagiwara
Shinpei Kusano
Takaaki Yoshimoto
Masashi Kishimoto
Haruki Murakami
Edogawa Ranpo
Musashi Miyamoto
Yasunari Kawabata
Jun'ichirō Tanizaki
Shūsaku Endō
Masuji Ibuse
Natsume Sōseki
Ryu Murakami
Ryūnosuke Akutagawa
Fumiko Enchi
Okamoto Kanoko
Akutagawa Ryunosuke
Abe Kobo
Shiga Naoya
Shimazaki Toson
Higuchi Ichiyo
Futabatei Shimei
Edogawa Rampo

My list

>>18402851
Why is Akutagawa there three times?

>>18389435
The Temple of the Golden Pavilion is the only Mishima I’ve read, and it kinda left a bad taste. I still haven’t read any Mishima afterwards. I should give him another shot

>>18395365
>what is “a beard”?

>>18399576
Read the changeling by Oe and it did nothing for me, boring professor who has a retard son does nothing in Germany - couldn't get through it. What's the best Oe and what is to expect?

>>18395365
>b...but he can't be gay, he had a wife and kids!
t.literal child

>>18388708
Black Skin, White Masks

>>18402985
I made it in a hurry, very sorry

>>18402985
he should be

>>18403051
As obvious as it may be: A Personal Matter, without a doubt.

>>18390378
What lol
Answer my question. Should I start with The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With The Sea? Those are the only two of his I own but Sailor hasn't arrived in the mail yet.

LoL, look at all the rightoid sperg lords getting trolled by reading mishima an realizing he "might" be a little bit gay.

https://youtu.be/okkccaekiHQ?t=1695

he was outright gay.

>>18397312
>It's peak incel lit.

He did bang tho. It's more like repressed homo lit of which there is a metric fuckton from across the times. Tho, most incels ARE probs closet gays, so you may be right after all.

>>18388437