/lit/ - Literature

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cyberpunk mistborn

based OP

>>18377719
Did animefag take over this general too? Based.

>>18377687
Holy based

Fantasy is truer to our storytelling as WARRIORS and TRIBES. Fantasy can be seen in SHAKESPEARE and SPENSER, whereas science fiction is purely 20th century GARBAGE.

So to continue the discussion on an important topic... No, SF is not really different from Fantasy.
It's all just esthetics.

If there is sex in a fantasy book then it is crude and modern garbage. See GRRM and his books.

>>18377741
literally the same genre

Cannot find any fantasy with a dominant woman in the protagonists relationship

a good author can reinterpret our modern understanding of the world into fantasy terms and you wouldn''t even notice

>>18377743
>everything is ambiguous and I’m too lazy to understand the difference between modes, genres, thematic clusters, and convention
Ngmi.

>>18377752
Webnovel 'Delve'

>>18377741
either one is fine. also humans have never primarily been warriors so that's just some bullshit fascist larping

>>18377766
Thanks but
>japanese
Bit disgusting

>>18377751
this, SF and Fantasy have the same core, the only difference is the description used and interpretation of the world, it's like in our reality how religion still manages to be relevant

>>18377771
>Your stories aren’t about slaying the dragon, goy!

>>18377776
What? It's an Isekai, but thoroughly American/Canadian (MC country of origin is a bit ambigious), written in english, it's not even really about a Neet.

The almighty sun father shall slay the demonic women from hell, drive her back into the void, and in the process sacrifice himself to the world, saving it forever more.

Was going to post this in the last thread but it died before I could get my sources straight: There's already a formal designation in academic circles for the difference between SF and Fantasy
>Fantasy literature has proven tremendously difficult to pin down. The major theorists in the field [...] all agree that fantasy is about the construction of the impossible whereas science fiction may be about the unlikely, but is grounded in the scientifically possible.
Of course, not all science fiction follows that rule (and in that case, those works of SF that don't follow can be grouped under the 'Science Fantasy' label); there's also Asimov's own personal thoughts on what constitutes good SF:
>In my view, the best science fiction, the only valid science fiction and the science fiction I try to write depends on legitimate science rationally extrapolated. If something is wrong, distorted and illogical, it cannot be categorized as science fiction; any more than noise can be called music or a used paint rag a painting.
There's also the Two Laws of Science Fiction set forth by Ben Bova:
>1.) Science fiction stories are those in which some aspect of future science or technology is so integral to the story that, if you take away the science or technology, the story collapses. Think of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein; without the scientific element, there is no story.
>2.) Science fiction writers are free to extrapolate from today's knowledge and to invent anything they can imagine - so long as no one can prove that what they have "invented" is wrong.
So. as anyone with a brain can clearly see, 'true' science fiction is inherently more rigorous and more intellectual than any work of fantasy could ever be; the manchildren are reeee-ing because they know they've chosen the lesser of the two genres

NO SAM NOT IN THAT HOLE

>>18377794
>it's an isekai
stopped reading right here

FUCK PATRICK ROTHFUSS

>>18377794
Said isekai so I thought it was japanese.
Will try it then cheers

>>18377818
glad I managed to convince you to read it :)

>>18377731
>>18377733
>>18377719
kys

>>18377826
seethe

>>18377796
Any SFF with Roman politics/military/aesthetics?

>>18377821
Isekai is basically a loan word now. A fuckload of original English fiction uses it, which is perhaps understandable since the previous term-"portal fantasy"-was so lame.

>>18377806
>Ben Bova
More like BOFA DEEZ NUTS

>>18377839
NOOOO

>>18377806
Mentioning Asimov is hilarious, as his 'The Foundation' series is the foundation of my view of SF not being different from Fantasy. It starts somehow technology oriented, but in the end it's just space mind mages and god-like galaxy-spanning entity that devours minds.

The Foundation is literally the first thing that comes to mind when someone tries to show differences between the two genres. Another example would be Dune. Or, to muddy the things even more, Dragonriders of Pern (although I haven't read DoP, but as I understand it's 'SF' hidden beneath 'Fantasy')

>>18377831
Just sounds a bit weird since it's not a japanese concept.

post apocalyptic Scifi where people thought ancient technology is magic

Sci fi or Fantasy

note: the magic system is never explained scientifically by the narrative and is only hinted that it's rooted in some ancient advanced technology, and no characters make any effort to regain lost scientific knowledge

>>18377859
Prince of Thorns

>>18377829
Codex Alera

If you, with a gun to your head, had to give an example of a good psychological novel, what name would you give up?

Keep in mind that if the answer is lacking you get the lead.

>>18377869
Only the first book was good. The second was weird, the third kinda went nowhere.

>>18377859
definitely Fantasy

Working on my antinatalist fantasy series in which the MC gradually becomes corrupted and eventually brings about an EoE style event that annihilates all life in the cosmos.

>>18377871
explain psychological

>>18377895
Why does it remind me of Guts in Berserk? I’m a weeb maybe, but the story gave off big vibes about life as utter suffering.

>>18377871
Crime and Punishment. Even Kurt Vonnegut name drops Dostoevsky in his novels as one of the best novelists the human race had.

>>18377895
that would contradict the entire ethos of antinatalism and basically prove it wrong in the end
kinda based now that i think about it

Test

>>18377901
I don't know, I've never actually read Berserk.

That other post has me thinking
There's nearly no fantasy literature about a vampire woman and human man.
Can't think of anything at all actually so I'm not sure if it's just no desire or untapped.

>>18377896
The thoughts, feelings, drive, all that makes up the hero's will and soul, are what is the center of the story, not the external world. The development inside the protagonist, or other characters, are more in focus than actions. I would add that this sort of psychological novel lends itself well to philosophical discussions, rather than action filled shootouts and sword duels.

>>18377925
A video game with a vampire mommy did well. Why not write a dominant vampire seducing a modern "man" and see the $ rush into your bank account? You might as well name yours Dawn, instead of Twilight.

>>18377925
The fangs are inherently phallic and rapey, the penetration and spread of sin is a manly trait.

>>18377848
This is the kind of retarded logic that makes the special kind of retards consider every video game ever made a role-playing game because you play a role in it.

>>18377925
Couldn’t get enough of life and death, huh

>>18377919
I'll be using a variant of antinatalism that is as extreme as possible. Since it's a fantasy story I think it would be interesting to explore ethical concepts that aren't necessarily feasible in reality.

>>18377943
But sucking fluids is inherently a womanly thing to do

>>18377936
Don't know how to write well enough for that but would like to see it.
>>18377951
Didn't read because it was a weird setting to me.

>>18377925
idk about fantasy but echopraxia has a pretty good vampire

>>18377806
That’s nice but the real answer is pic rel

>>18377925
'A Journey of Black and Red'
A webnovel, but not Litrpg or anything like that. Pure, normal fiction. Extremely climatic 18(?) century female vampire PoV. It's not a romance, though,

>>18377996
>female POV
NOooO…

>>18377719
Made a mistake last thread. It's Humans as Gods, not People as Gods.

>>18377971
Sounds really good.
Thank you.

Fuck E William Brown
Fuck Pay Walls
Fuck Pay Pigs
Fuck Incommunicado
Fuck delays
Fuck push backs
Fuck you

>>18377943
But imagine, a vampire seducing a man and then sucking the blood from his penis, it just makes sense

>>18377996
Not sure about the female pov
Sounds gay to me to read.

>>18377871
If I took classic literature, maybe Evgeniy Onegin.

>>18377925
You should unironically consider 'Life and Death: Twilight Reimagined', Stephanie Meyer has rewritten Twilight and gender-swapped it, so now it's a story about a beautiful immortal female vampire and a tall, athletic female werewolf trying to fuck a high-school male. From what I've heard it's absolutely hilarious.

>>18377719
Are those even vtubers? Looks like regular annie meh, that won't make nearly as many people angry.

>>18378095
Woah just like my visual novels...

Which sci fi setting mixes well with gregorian chants? I love the whole crusades in space kind of deal.

>>18377849
nips are obsessed with it, so by extension so are weebs
normal people don't care too much about it
little wonder weebs use a weeb term, and normal people don't talk about it

simple as

>>18378127
English?

What's /lit opinion on Stephanie Meyers writing a gender-swaped fanfic of her own work? A clever subversion or absolutly doghsit move?

>>18378137
>horny posters
>even once

>>18378137
only retards think this sounds appealing. at least the other way there were cute guys and that was still one of the worst popular books of all time

>>18378095
>d a tall, athletic female werewolf trying to fuck
No it isn't
Theres a single scene for a few pages about that and it doesn't even come close to her doing anything

>>18378027
>>18378006
based

>>18378137
It's alright but remember it's a teen novel so it isn't very deep in many parts.

>>18378133
apart from no punctuation it is perfectly readable
although it requires the knowledge of what 'simple as' and 'weeb' means, both could also be inferred if you have half a brain

>>18378184
Can’t stand female thoughts

>female writers
wew lad

>>18378290
female writers are fine. way worse when male writers write females

>>18378137
A clever marketing move, I guess? Don't know how well it worked.

>>18378309
Most female writers write SJW garbage like that Mass Effect ripoff with all the trannies and preaching about social justice.

>>18378336
most writers period write shitty garbage, you're just filled with low iq confirmation bias

>>18378345
Ma'am.

>>18378345
Ok

>>18378336
Stop reading garbage. That's on you, retard. Not the gender of the author.

>>18378370
I don't read garbage, I avoid it. Most garbage just tends to come from women and blacks.

>>18378370
Obviously that is what I did, and it’s also the reason why I haven’t read anything written by a female in decades

>>18378378
Thoughts on Junot Diaz?

what are some good female authors that aren't ursula k leguin?

>>18378393
In speculative fiction?
Mary Shelley, that’s about it.

>>18378390
https://youtu.be/tW51lX_jlzA?t=2

>>18378393
mariko ohara

>>18378393
C J Cherry is very good
Mostly mediaeval fantasy

>why yes i only read web novels and visual novels how could you tell

>>18378509
at least its not light novels

>>18378393
Robin Hobb

>>18378637
Let's just call it weebfic and be done with it.

Most tragic fantasy characters - go:

My list

Fitz chivalry - if you know you now boy (bonus point for Captain Kennit getting raped to death and brought back to life on Paragon but now unable to form human connection)

Achamian - cucked by Kellhus, cucked by Esme, cucked by magic black powder, was right all along but managed to achieve nothing

Fiddler (malazan) suffers it all and comes out alive.... but the cost

>>18378509
>t. anime light novel faggot

>>18378648
Still a gateway to diddling real children.

>>18378667
only when it comes to americans

>looking for recommendations of Kurt Vonnegut’s novels
I have every single one. Which should I read next? Preferably his sci fi ones.

>>18377806
>NOOO MY BOOK IS SCIENCE FICTION LOOK AT HOW MUCH RESEARCH I DID NOOOOOOOO YOU CANT PROVE IT COULDNT HAPPEN THEREFORE IT COULD SO MY BOOK IS PERFECT SCIENCE FICTION STOP LYING NOOOOOOOOOOOO
>Haha I have wizards in my book

/sffg/ is a stain on lits catalog

>>18377829
you'd like red rising a lot

>>18378768
sirens of titan is my favorite

>>18378895
/lit/ is a stain on 4chan catalog

>>18378945
if /lit/ is any indication, apparently only retards read books

>>18378978
People who regularly post here don't read books, only tourists do. You see a few of them in every thread trying to discuss books only to be ignored in favor of the /jp/ and /a/ autists sperging about web novels and Bakker's tight asshole.

>>18377829
Empire of Silence by Christopher Ruocchio

>>18378989
I read often enough. Yes, 4 of these were manga desu. /lit/ got me to care about reading more than anywhere else (including uni)

>>18378989
Agreed, I don't think someone with a folder full of poorly drawn Bakuck memes and spamming the same greentext quotes over and over again has time to read any books.

Anasurimbor Moenghus?
A. Moenghus?
sus

Fantasybros... will you ever recover?

>>18379158
>caring what ralf scheepers has to say about SFF

Reading the darkness that comes before and the first appearance of the bird with a man head really confused me
can anyone please give me a quick rundown on what the fuck happened on that scene?

>>18377725
>mistborn
First book was okay I guess. It felt abridged though.
Second book was just okay, until the ending where it went off the rails giving the normal human love interest me-too superpowers too, ruining one of the few interesting characters with relatable weaknesses.
Third book I quit before I got a quarter of the way into, due to aforementioned ruining of that male character.

>>18379158
Wheel of Time is campy as hell but idgaf because it's fun.

>f*males

>>18379399
Spooky bird is doing spooky bird things.

>>18379158
>wrote for pathfinder
ignore hypocrites

Seems the spamming is back.

>>18379831
Awful, I know. The last thread was decent until the end of it.

>>18379831
What spam?

>>18379399
inrau was praying because he's a little bitch gayboy when bird dude showed up ordering around a couple of templar and spooked him
he stalls for time while trying to remember how to say abracadabra
he magics his fist into one of the templars chest and ignites the blood trying to explode the bird dude, but the templar gives zero fucks about not having a chest anymore because he's some kind of abomination, and he unfolds his face to demonstrate it
the other templar beats him, and he tries to make a magic shield, but they go right through it and hold a chorae up to his cheek, burning him
the bird dude tells inrau to knock it off but he keeps trying to cast spells, so finally it sprays him with laser breath turning the air in his lungs into water, which promptly drowns him
as he asphyxiates, the templar tells him he's a faggot, he wrestles free and falls off the balcony to his death

>>18378393
Sue Burke

>>18377859
is making a dyson sphere a fantasy setting cliche?

>https://www.amazon.com/Long-Small-Angry-Planet-Wayfarers-ebook/dp/B00ZP64F28
>those reviews
kek
fuck wymyns

>>18379158
Shoo Commie shoo.

>>18375797
I mean is he that much better than Sanderson...really?
Yes. I wouldn't have said so if I didn't read the standalone books. But those three are well above Sanderson's works. Red Country in particular does an amazing job at fleshing out old characters and introducing new ones.

Sanderson is all world building, but no finesse. Sanderson is that nerd with a dozen notebooks, full of details about his various fictional worlds that he'll never right... except somehow he found the motivation to actually write it all. But merely writing your ideas doesn't make it well written.

>>18380085
>Long-Small-Angry-Planet-Wayfarers
I read that book. It got off to a slow start. The opening scene - where the main character wakes up in a pod, out in interstellar space - looked promising, but it was only used to put in some back story, which seemed a waste. The same applied for the next chapter, with a rather long section on how noisy spaceships are - again, a device to bring in some background. Not really necessary background, I thought, as much of the information came in later or could have been introduced more subtly.

However, the book is well recommended so I persevered, and it proved worthwhile. Despite the awkward beginning, the writing in general was smooth and the plot absorbing. The writer has obviously put a lot of thought into the background - politics, technologies and the various alien races - and used that to set up a story with a lot of depth and some interesting twists.

A strong theme begins to emerge from behind the story quite early on. There is a strong anti-bigotry, anti-prejudice message woven into it throughout. I'm all in favour of that, it's something I fully support, though I wonder if it could have been more effective if made less obvious.

I was also a little concerned that the alien characters were mostly there to support the anti-bigotry topic. There is an inherent problem with writing about aliens in any depth - how do you make them realistically alien and still comprehensible to human readers? (And how would be understand a truly alien race, when we often don't get other human cultures?) It is perhaps one of the most difficult things to do in SF writing, and although Chambers works very hard at it (the background to each alien species is developed in remarkable and fascinating detail) the characters did sometimes seem a little too human in their attitudes and thinking.

But perhaps I'm over-thinking this. In truth, in spite of my quibbles, I thoroughly enjoyed the story as a whole, the technological ideas were clever and the characters (human or alien) engaging. And it does make some good points as well. It would probably have benefited from some tougher editing, but it's a very good first novel.

>>18380067
Banks did it better than you probably could already

>>18380118
I was thinking about the book of the long sun actually

>>18380116
I have been reading Sci Fi since age 10 - call it 59 years.There have always been strong women authors including Le Guin, Norton and McCaffrey. In the last 20 years or so, women have made major inroads into the genre. Connie Willis, Martha Wells, Ann Leckie, writers of serious science fiction with strong female characters, have garnered Hugo and Nebula awards for their work. However I can only categorize Becky Chambers' work as the Sci Fi equivalent of a chick flick. What seemed to start as a good space opera soon devolved into a touchy feely fest. I shook off the physical love affair between a human and an alien species as amateur (I'm not sure how any serious Sci Fi reader could buy this), but when one of the female characters started having feelings for a lizard alien, I moved on to a better book.

I am perplexed as to how this book has garnered most of the awards it has been awarded. I would certainly hate to think that she is merely riding the women's movement of recent years.

>>18380158
Anon, have you considered you have shit taste?

>>18380172
Ma'am.

>>18380133
>book of the long sun
never read those, I hate all fantasy

>>18380176
I’m just asking, because surprisingly enough, people here on /wg/ have shit taste.

>>18380022
that makes sense, thanks

>>18380197

Books with Necromancers in them, please. Already read Zothique, now i want more. Does Jack Vance's work also have them?

>>18380335
>Books with Necromancers in them
Have you tried goodreads?

>>18380178
why are you responding to me then

>>18377741
rest in peace friend

>>18378393
Lois McMaster Bujold

>>18380335
>Books with Necromancers in them
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/33476.Books_With_Necromancer_Protagonists

what is the best fantasy series?

>>18380529
Magic Treehouse.

>>18380529
Seinfeld

>>18380529
The Lord of the Rings

>>18380538
besides that

>>18380550
Wheel of Time, at leas the first book. The later books if you like the first, but I think the first is generally considered the strongest and most fun.

>>18380550
Chronicles of Narnia

>>18380553
tbqh the second book is really good too

>>18380538
This, but unironically. Tolkien didn't need 10,000 pages to create an unforgettable and well realized world.

>>18380556
I wasn't being ironic

>>18380335
Never Die Twice.

>>18380553
no that shit was lame, next

>>18377925
How did you never read about Let the Right One In?

>>18380553
>>18380555
Y'all really telling me books 1 and 2 are the best right before I finish 2 and start on the other 12?

>>18380605
What were you expecting? Since when has a series ever peaked at book 4 or book 7? I can count on one hand the number of series that have even gotten to a book 7 and it wasn't garbage by that point.

is using FAGSCM as an acronym for: Fully Automated Gay Space Communism on the Moon offensive? I will fairly portray it also.

>>18380615
I think it's quite common for fantasy series to get increasingly good as the writer improves and the enough context has built up for suitably epic events. Early books have to labor with worldbuilding, but later books can just have the pre-established elements clash together without any introduction needed. To say nothing of one's growing attachment to the characters.

>>18380630
It's only offensive if someone actually reads it.

>Tom put his mouth to the crack and began singing into it in a low voice. They could not catch the words, but evidently Merry was aroused.

>>18378137
That plot sounds exactly like some vampire harem anime where vampirine girls lust after the clueless guy. To see it reversed and made into what we know as Twilight, and be so successful with girls. I get it now. It's their self insert vampire harem story. Still trash, i hate those anime, as much as i hate twilight. But interesting

>>18380633
>I think it's quite common for fantasy series to get increasingly good
Not in my experience.

>>18380605
I also quite like 3 and 4.

I'm going to write my concept this time
I'm not going to get bogged down in minutia and world building
I'M GOING TO WRITE A STORY AND IT"S GOING TO BE GOOD

>>18380779
You're killing me.
>>18380776
We probably have different backgrounds here. What's your favorite fantasy series, out of curiosity?

> "Do I resemble her?" "Perhaps..." he says, lowering his gaze. "If you wept or screamed... If there was blood." She moves closer, into the smell of him, sits so that her knees brush his shins. His pouch hangs from his waist, partially hooked in a miniature thicket of stems. Vertigo billows through her, a sudden horror of tipping, as if the pouch were a babe set too close to a table's edge. She clutches his forearms. "You tremble," she whispers, resisting the urge to glance at the pouch. "Do you want me? Do you want to..." She swallows. "To take me?" He draws away his arms, stares down into his palms. Beyond him, clouds pile like inky flotsam beneath the stars. Dry lightning scorches the plains a barren white. She glimpses land piling atop land, scabbed edges, woollen reaches. "I want to..." he says. "Yes?" He lifts his eyes as if drawing them against weighted threads. "I... I want to... to strangle you... to split you with my—" His breath catches. Murder floats in the sorrow of his gaze. He speaks like someone marooned in a stranger's soul. "I want to hear you shriek." And she can feel the musky strength of him, the impotence of her flailing arms, clawing fingers, should he simply choose...

What am I supposed to take from this?

>>18380983
AND HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA

>>18380983
*glazes over until something plot relevant happens*

>>18381026

>“And pray tell what,” she cried, laughter lilting across vague armatures of gold, “would a Dragon know of cunny?”

A famous british chef decides to move away because he's sick of the annoying engish ghosts that haunt his historic eatery. He decides to move to his qt azn wife's homeland of nippon, only to find that his new restaurant is haunted by racist yokai that won't stop until gaijin is expelled.

Think I'll get published with this?

>>18380983
lmao what book is this from?

>>18381384
>he hasn't read Bakker's full bibliography
Why are you here?

>>18380983
Name of fanfic/web novel?

>>18381390
Bakker sucks, there’s better sci fi out there

>>18381369
I would read it

Guardians of gahool

Guardians of gabagool

Gimme space disasters.
Everything is going wrong. Everyone on the station is going to die, not from aliens (unless they're' GhOoOoOsTs, actually, any cool alien ghost stories?). Who thought it was a good idea to make the computer think for itself? Why did that engine explode? Holy shit John's space suit is empty and I hear banging outside!

>>18381625
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25499718-children-of-time
The human side is extremely grim.

>>18381625
Freeze-Frame Revolution

>>18381641
Oh nice. That one is on my list already.
>>18381634
I think I may have read a synopsis of this. But I don't want to read it again to make sure because I was bad and spoiled it. Of course knowing the ending doesn't mean much in any book.
Voldemort dies but did you wait 7 books for that? Not really.
And you really wouldn't know what to make of The 3 Musketeers' ending because you haven't met nearly half of those assholes yet. Though there is one thing to get pissed off about spoiling, but it's not really the end...

>>18381680
Nevermind, I have not read the synopsis of Children of Time.
I think I was thinking of some book where apparently the aliens decide what they're going to do with us and there's nothing we can do about it. They're not really evil, but what happens is certainly outside of human comprehension and leaves the adults apparently upset the whole time this is happening.

>>18380983
>read that as "Do I reassemble her?"
>Reading it thinking someone is leaning over some body with just shins and arms and guts spilling out of the torso.
It's funny what one word does to the whole scene.

What is it with the beef between sci-fi and fantasy readers?

REMINDER
that there are anons IN THIS VERY THREAD
who cannot visualize scenes in their head as they read it

>>18381835
I can't, so what?

>>18381835
Let this twitter bait die, please, anon.
I'm sure some people have something wrong with their heads but everyone can see shapes when they think. They can see their rooms, their friends and family. They can make everyone and everything purple if they want. Their vacations, that time they did that thing that they tried to forget.
You are now manually remembering that one time in school... in front of those other people... you know.

>>18381834
If you ever create two groups, they will squabble between each other, arguing over who's better and why and blah blah blah. People are hardly built for peace.

>>18381835
nah, people like that don't read books
what'd be the point

>>18381835
>who cannot visualize scenes in their head as they read it
ok, no
that's just bullshit

>>18380529
redwall

>>18381752
Yeah, must be something else entirely. The human perspective of Children of Time is set in a post-apocalyptic world where the remnants of humanity have scavenged and put together ark ships from the ruins of the last high tech civilization on Earth that destroyed itself millennia ago. Each ship travels to a different terraformed planet discovered on deciphered star charts. Ship's a piece of shit that's breaking apart from the start, and the journey takes thousands of years, which means the engineers have to take shifts and eventually live out their lives and train the next generation of ship born engineers while civilians remain in stasis.

Unfortunately, there's giant uplifted arachnids and other insects living on their target world. Half the novel focuses on their rapid evolution and is apparently extremely scientifically accurate because the author is a massive research sperg. There is a NOPE moment the first time humanity scans the planet, which leads them to head for the next one with an increasingly cannibalized and deteriorating ship and it gets bleaker and bleaker as it goes on.

>>18381835
Honestly I don't understand how that's possible, yet it is apparently very common.

>>18380529
The Book of the New Sun.

>>18382045
>The Book of the New Sun.
I don't get the hype around it. It's sloppily constructed, intentionally vague, and peopled with ridiculous characters. There is distinction between wit and mere cleverness, and this one clearly belongs in the latter category. I'm not sure exactly what happens (and upon perusing the other reviews I find I am not alone in that), but I also don't care what happened. Getting through the fourth book was a laborious chore that I only embarked upon in the faint hope that it would make sense of the first three books (the second and third of which were read for the same reason). Though it wears a cloak of science fiction it is mere fantasy, complete with all the idiotic plot devices which make fantasy unbearable - extended dream sequences, magic swords, mysterious people who all know more than the narrator but refuse to let him in on their secrets, prophecies and demons and angels.

>>18382050
whats not to like about your last sentence?

>>18382050
Sloppily constructed? I get that it's not going to appeal to everyone, but Wolfe, perhaps more than any author I've read, really rewards being observant. Little revelations (that often house bigger revelations) can slip between the cracks-- feels like piecing together a complex puzzle.

The Urth of the New Sun makes some of the more confusing plot-points clearer, but if you didn't enjoy the series, you probably won't dig it.

>>18377979
Lel, who is this? Sounds like a total sperg

>>18380827
I am in the middle of 9 right now, 1-6 are amazing in my opinion. The lore, characters, and the way the plot develops are fucking amazing. 7-9 (so far at least) are insanely mediocre. Not enough Rand and they introduce a lot of insanely meaningless characters that I really don't give a fuck about. It's a real slog to get through. And 10 isn't much better by what I hear. However, 11-14 are fucking amazing apparently. So I'm just holding out for book 11 at this point.

>>18382109
That makes senses to me. I've heard a lot about 7-9 being meandering. I'm honestly pretty interested in experiencing them and seeing if I "get" what Robert Jordan was going for, or if they just really are terrible.

>>18377996
Tried to read it, dropped by the second chapter.
The writing of the main character internal POV is one of the worst I've seen in my entire life.

>>18382122
That's where I'm at currently. I love most of the characters so far, and I'm very curious to see where all of these plot threads go. I just really hope Sanderson sticks the landing and the series doesn't turn out to be over-hyped garbage. But we'll see lmao

>>18377752
The Wheel of Time

>>18377752
what >>18382168
said

Anyone have any books similar to Felix Castor series? Dark and gruesome and not YA?

>>18381369
I like this

>>18381938
yeh

>>18382197
Urban fantasy? If so try the Twenty Palaces series by Harry Connolly

>>18382228
sounds interesting, thanks for the recc anon

>>18382228
Damn, looks like the series has been discontinued, ill still check it out.

>>18379135
Conphas warned them that the aspect emperor was sus but he got ejected

>>18379399
The bird is an Inchoroi (part of the unholy consult) wearing a magic bird skin. He freaked out and jumped to his death because he didn't want to get captured by them

>>18382268
According to an anon, he might be picking it back up, but take that with a grain of salt.

What does your protagonist tell the World Creator when they meet?

>>18382357
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqb7tuG9l8E

>>18382357
why?

>>18382377
Protagonist meeting the God in a fantasy book is my favorite trope.

I keep day dreaming about giving a lesson on how rotary engines work to people who only use magic to travel around the world
https://youtu.be/HVjlwatWaJQ

>cucked by an AI
Didn't know this could sadden me
Anyway, both Ender's Game and Speaker for The Dead were enjoyable enough but depressing to read, is Xenocide any good?

>>18382390
no that'd be the question

>>18382287
hopefully, i checked his other works and probably going to dive into his newer series, seems super promising thanks anon

>>18382395
It starts to go a little off the deep end.

Fuck
after seeing the OP pic, I kept giving characters in my brain anime faces

>>18382484
In a good way.
Aliens doing weird alien shit. And the only people we have to see the world through are all weirdos.

>>18382522
All I see when I close my eyes are massive flopping horse dicks. Must be because I read The Way of Kings recently.

>>18382548
That’s gay, not going to lie.

>>18382522
Is it really anime? It just looks like two teenage girls hanging out in a corner in a cyberpunk world.

>>18382617
>Is it really anime?
yes

>>18382621
Why do I keep discussing things in this General with moronic anons like you posting here.

The songs in Lord of the Rings are both queer and gay indeed.

>>18382093
Kurt Vonnegut, BRUH

Any good books on AI/supercomputers?

>>18383243
I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream

>>18383257
Thanks

Currently reading Shadow and Claw by Gene Wolfe. What's it called when a book is written in a way that doesn't feel real?
I had the same feeling when I read Dune, the dialogue and setting feel surreal, like a dream. When I read modern books it loses that dream-like quality, like with Kings of the Wyld. It's like reading something completely reliant on references to the genre it's trying to be. I dunno, just a thought that I only recently was able to articulate.

what e-readers do you guys own?

>>18380022
>>18380236
lmao

>>18383744
Amazon.

>>18383744
kindling

>>18383744
a kindle. it was a gift. might go for a kobo if I was to buy one myself, not sure.

But seriously though what happened to Scott Lynch and why did he stop writing the Gentlemen Bastards?

>>18384672
Went through a messy divorce, remarried. Had depraved 3 way sex with his wife and some twenty something year old whore. Said twenty something year old whore tried to cancel him for grooming her (lol). He mostly only does the convention route now, like rothfuss.

>>18384683
That's lame. How long can a guy mope over a divorce?
Rothfuss can stick to never writing again, of course.

>>18384700
Sorry I should specify that the messy 3 way sex was with his new wife

>>18384731
What a melvin.

>>18377871
My diary desu.
>Also Chasm City

>>18384683
>>18384731
His current wife tried to cancel him for the threesome he had with her and his ex-wife? Wat

>>18384856
Is this the new wife? Holy shit

>>18384873
Forgot image

>>18384880
Which is which?

>>18384896
I think they're both, many such cases among Hyperborean barbars

>>18383744
Paperwhite, it's all right as an e-reader but I sort of regret buying it cause it's not really customizable.

>>18384912
And barbers

>>18383744
I had a Kobo Clara HD, which was very nice. I switched to a Kindle for reasons and it's okay. Definitely inferior but it's workable.

>>18385020
reasons?

>>18385068
Money issues.

>>18385090
"I had money issues so I replaced my mildy expensive ereader with a mildly cheaper one"
I think you've got an overactive imagination that's what I think. where did you hide the body?

>>18385097
Stop being a schizo, anon. That’s the reason.

>>18385111
I'm onto you anon, those dubs are a clear giveaway

>>18385121
But he's got trips though

>>18385068
I wanted to buy my ebooks from Amazon and stop having to worry about pirating shit, removing DRM, etc.

>>18385128
Shh, don’t tell him.

>>18385128
a likely story.

>>18385168
What are you talking about, anon?

>>18384880
He could have any wife and he picked her.

>>18385162
I have never connected my Amazon Kindle(tm) to the internet, for what purpose would you do that

>>18385226
To easily acquire the books I purchased.

>>18385230
I do leave it on Airplane Mode otherwise, though.

>>18385230
But you said you pirated the books anyway, can they tell you have pirated shit on your device if you connect it to their service to buy legit stuff?

>>18385235
Why?

>>18385247
Oh, I see. I used to pirate things and bought the Kindle because I decided to stop, so there's nothing pirated on my Kindle. I don't think they can tell anyway.
>>18385254
I just have no reason for it to be online most of the time.

But anyway if you like dealing with pirating and DRM and converting formats and all of that shit, I definitely suggest the Kobo. It's really a great eReader. They have their own ebook store but it doesn't have as much of a selection as Amazon.

>>18385269
Are there selections still worth it?

>>18385269
I just pirate shit and use Calibre to put it on my Kindle

>>18385276
They seem to have most things. But they won't have everything.
>>18385269
Also forgot to add: If you get the Kobo you have to convert your ebooks to the kepub format. It will read normal epubs but unless you convert to kepub they'll be slower and the image viewer won't function, among other things.

>>18383744
Calibre and a laptop, because I'm not a weaponised mong.

>>18385297
>Also forgot to add: If you get the Kobo you have to convert your ebooks to the kepub format. It will read normal epubs but unless you convert to kepub they'll be slower and the image viewer won't function, among other things.
More on this: If you buy a book on the kobo store and then download it to your computer it will just be a normal epub so you still have to convert it. I think it will only download as a kepub if you load it to the Kobo via connecting the Kobo to your account and downloading it to the device via wifi. (Shit like this is why I gave up and just went to Amazon)

>>18381752
>I think I was thinking of some book where apparently the aliens decide what they're going to do with us and there's nothing we can do about it. They're not really evil, but what happens is certainly outside of human comprehension and leaves the adults apparently upset the whole time this is happening.
Might be Childhood's End.

>>18381956
>is apparently extremely scientifically accurate because the author is a massive research sperg
It is not even close to scientifically accurate, it's pseudointellectual rambling and made up magical bullshit through and through. The guy did a few years of zoology and has no idea how genetics or any of the stuff he talks about really works.

>>18385359
>It is not even close to scientifically accurate
Wrong. The science was done by people who pursued a career in the field. It's as accurate is something like Children of Time can be. Tchaikovsky is an educated lawyer, not a biologist.

>>18385298
you couldn't sound more insecure even if you tried

>>18383744
moon+ reader

>>18385413
I think that guy is confused. Clearly a fictional nanovirus that speeds up and changes how spiders evolve isn't real, but the biology and behavior of the Portia genus is accurate.

Man, i don't want to have to carry around an extra device just for reading. When are the chinks going to start selling some of their e-ink smartphones outside of china?

>>18385487
Holy zoomer.

Do any of you guys have any experience with e-readers that have screens bigger than 6?
would you say, purely for reading novels, that it was a more enjoyable experience?

>>18385517
Didn't notice any real difference.

>>18385551
if money isn't an issue, would you go for anything bigger than 6"?

>>18385559
Would you go for it? Ask yourself that, anon. Not others.

>>18385571
I wouldn't know, since I've never owned any device with a screen larger than 6"
mostly because money was an issue for me

>>18385581
I don't know, anon, I don't want to say yes, only for you to realize you didn't like the experience and waste your money on it.

>>18385559
Barely makes a difference. What's more important is using a reader that doesn't have massive black borders. The actual viewport you get is much smaller than the advertised size of the screen in some cases.

>>18385413
>Tchaikovsky is not a biologist.
That much is obvious. There are numerous scientific mistakes throughout the book.

>It's as accurate is something like Children of Time can be.
>>18385464
>Clearly a fictional nanovirus that speeds up and changes how spiders evolve isn't real
The problem isn't whether it's accurate or realistic; the problem is that it spends pages and pages dryly describing how the nanovirus might work and getting it wrong. It's like starwars episode one, except the if midichlorians were 50% of the work instead of a throwaway line.

>>18385609
This is more or a you problem than anything.

>>18385609
You'll love Children of Ruin.

>>18385600
>>18385604
eh, I'm gonna buy one and try for myself since I have the luxury to
looking at the Kobo Forma

>>18385623
Children of Ruin has severely disappointed me. It’s not a bad novel in itself but it’s not on an equal footing with the brilliant Children of Time. Tchaikovsky’s creativity is indisputably present in this second sequel too but it lacks many aspects which rendered Children of Time so remarkable. The characters are flat, the fluid and eloquent storytelling, a hallmark of Tchaikovsky, is replaced with tedious explanations of convoluted events and concepts. I often had the feeling as if the author had been rationalizing like a proud lecturer to his wide-eyed students: look, this is a revolutionary idea that just occurred to me, isn’t it fascinating? I am happy and also like to stretch my imagination when reading sci-fi but I groan at obviously unrealistic presumptions such as [ the super quick and relatively easy establishment of communication between Helena and the octopus, or the zombie-like transmutation of infected humans that was rather cheesy. I give two stars, partially as an outcome of an unfavorable comparison with Children of Time and Dogs of War.

>>18385645
Based goodreadsposter.

>>18385615
>This is more or a you problem than anything.
Not gonna deny that, but it's a me problem because I'm a scientist. Hack portrayals of hard scifi just irritate me.

>>18385697
You sure are.

>>18385697
>because I'm a scientist
Okay, anon we believe you.

>>18385697

>>18385730
Wojack posting should be ban.

New thread
>>18385734

>>18385697
the hard science of sucking cock

>>18385733
Wojak reaction inducing posts should be banned.

>>18385738
Hold on now, that's Bakker's title.

>>18384856
No the new wife and him had a 3 way polyamory relationship with the twenty something year old

>>18382357
>Well? It's not gonna suck itself.