/lit/ - Literature

>>18382360
I wonder how much of these are larps. Also, gamergate was a mistake

>>18382360

Idk but women like that probably get no male attention and deserve a severe beating.

Read the Bronte sisters

>>18382384
Where should I start?

>>18382360
These bitches are way crazier than incels. At least incels are easy to understand, loneliness and rejection makes you bitter. But the amount of entitlement, eggless cope and delusion on FDS is a whole other level.

>>18382388
Wuthering Heights. Catherine is a cunt and I dont have an ounce of sympathy for her

good evening i hate women.

>>18382422
Good morning, I happen to have a disdain fot them too

made the mistake of going on that subreddit

oh well at least their "red flag" book list was fun to look at

>>18382360
Gender relations are so fucked right now. How did things ever get this bad

>>18382453
A society without religion to enforce sexual norms is bound to unravel

>>18382378
probably a similar rate as the larping on this site, it's all one big blind echo chamber

>>18382451
>Deep Nutrition

I...

>>18382451
What the fuck is the problem with Marcus Aurelius????

>>18382453
the pressure of thousands of years of misogyny being released all at once via social media

>>18382475
When it's anti male it's misandry

>>18382451
>Apuelius
???

>>18382493
You seem to have misunderstood me. Women were chattel for so long and so thoroughly that when they finally tasted freedom they bolted straight into the heart of the psychic wilderness.

>>18382453
Men are no longer men they are just big children. That is the sole reason for the incel epidemic, not because women are becoming more picky (theyve always been picky).

>>18382534
Adding to this: women are innately immunized against videogames and porn, the two biggest emasculators of our millennium

>>18382534
Let's not act like women today are any good. Barely any of them are virgins

>>18382558
True. Women are less like women are more like animals.

It is clear to me that women are lost without men to guide them. These unruly shrews need husbands - loving ones, even - but it is unlikely that they will ever marry.

>>18382451

Any woman that uses a book list guide instead of self-judgments to make an opinion of a person is a sub human piece of trash lmao

>>18382558
Purity is a spook invented by weak charmless men

>>18382571
Virgins are the most mentally stable, and the most civilized. It's not a spook.

>>18382360
>HVM husband
Handsome virgin male?

>>18382593
I bet you know all about virgin mentality

>>18382601
"high value male". I guess they're afraid of just saying "chad" because it would imply incels are right.

>>18382604
>implying virginity is a bad thing

>>18382601
virginity is a meme

>>18382451
>becoming the supple leopard
>the bodybuilding encyclopedia
Huh

>>18382607
in males it highly correlates with self-pity and shame, as it should (evol. speaking)

>>18382604
Numerous casual encounters corrupts a woman's psychology. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. They become whorish, not whores, per se. If you've 'been around' women, and had half a brain, you'd understand this as well.

>>18382619
This implies that women hate men who lift and try to improve themselves. To women, men must be ready-made perfect-on-arrival products who are intrinsically buff and masculine. If a man is trying to improve himself, that must mean he's originally imperfect and thus inescapably inferior.

>>18382625
all those words and yet you said nothing

>>18382628
Does that make women delusional or based and redpilled?

>>18382625
>Numerous casual encounters corrupts a woman's psychology.
only if you back up this claim with convincing scientific evidence will i agree

>>18382634
it makes them inhuman

>>18382633
You're bitter.

>>18382638
Look up number of pre-marital partners vs. marriage success.

>>18382644
i'm not googling your argument for you faggot

>>18382638

I nEeD ScIeNtIfIC EviDeNcE !11!

>>18382647
Not even the anon you are arguing with, but this is old news faggot

>>18382408
Thanks
I'll give it a try

>>18382399
Those are probably all dudes bro

>>18382647
stop baiting, or is this your first day here? everyone and their mother has already seen these stats

>>18382523
These women are 20 years old, they have never experienced oppression

>>18382649
All you've proven is that women are afraid to leave their first husband / first sexual partner. You've demonstrated nothing about happiness, let alone women's "corrupted psychology"

>>18382360
Evolution of desire by David buss could be a good option

>>18382649
>women that like having sex will keep having sex
In other news the sky is blue

>>18382674
Well, the anon wasn't convinced, so it had to be posted.

>>18382451
>(this guy is red pilled)

>>18382451
why this bitch gotta attack my mishima books

>>18382451
Someone should make a list of red flag netflix shows women watch.

>>18382360
This is pretty much why I bully women whenever I can and laugh hysterically when they try to play victim. Women today hide behind several layers of media protection and mythology crafted by pulling out matriarch-worship that was what allowed ancient civilizations like Neolithic Europe to be conquered by robust, Patriarchal Steppe nomad warriors. Once you break the veil of womyn, you realize how worthless their creations are. I don't hate womyn mind you, but I know better than to put much faith in them. At the end of the day: your woman will provide you with a lot of joy, especially with a family but it is always and only your brothers who will be there when all the chips are down.

>>18382451
>Meditations
The book that is read by every leader, from presidents to businessmen? Go fuck yourself.

>>18382360
Why are people so mentally ill. I can't call anyone a normalfag nowadays

>>18382605
Well yes, but I'd also say it doesn't quite line up with what the chad stereotype.
Chads don't have to be succesful in career etc, they just have to be attractive and assertive.

These women want a chad that is also intelligent and highly succesful. Which incels don't care about, they think a chad can work at burger king and still steal your girl.

>>18382730
Being mentally ill is normal. If you're not mentally ill then there's something wrong with you and you're not a normalfag

>>18382727
t. has never known a woman intimately

take your meds

>>18382733
Chads dont exist, the kind of men they have in mind dont really exist.

>>18382451
I'll only make a sentence point about the titles I've read from this list.
>Bronze Age Mindset
Great book, really fun to read and provides some comedy and OK insights. A bit silly at times, but its OK.
>Thus Spoke Zarathustra
Not the biggest fan of philosophy but it's a good enough read, I think for most guys though it's rather self-explanatory insight into the Will etc.
>The Book of Book
Never heard of it.
>Sun and Steel
Incredible read. Mishima is a poet and a warrior.
>Meditations
One of the most incredible books I ever read and should be mandatory reading for young men around the time they start to come into their own (~16-18 years old).
>Revolt Against the Modern World
Not a big Evola fan because his style of writing is pretty abysmal. But it was OK, nothing mind blowing for me.

>>18382737
I have had a girlfriend who is soon to be my fiance. What kind of non-argument are you even trying to make? Instead of speaking like a human being, you resort to stale and worn out memes. Just all around pretty pathetic on your end.

>>18382746
Therefore my "Read" rating is as follows:
1st Place: Meditations
2nd Place: Sun and Steel
3rd Place: Bronze Age Mindset
4th Place: Thus Spoke Zarathustra
5th Place: Revolt Against the Modern World

>>18382746
>One of the most incredible books I ever read and should be mandatory reading for young men around the time they start to come into their own (~16-18 years old).
lol no, there is a reason why the greeks told people to not get into philosophy only after 30, you are gonna have a bunch of ambitionless retarded stoic cuck generation that wont get shit done

>>18382733
>Chads
If you live your life in memes you will never find enlightenment.

>>18382748
>I have a girlfriend

>>18382742
>>18382765
I don't believe in chads, I'm just trying to explain the meme.
Although I guess it's nice to know the board has a number of healthy people.

>>18382764
Perhaps, although with a good teacher this book can be a big help for young men trying to navigate life. Granted, there is a certain quality in allowing a young man the uninterruptible will to go forth and prosper. However, we live in arguably the least free times for a learned young man. Almost all space and territory is owned, and forging your own path is harder simply due to this fact. I think Meditations therefore can help guide a young man into preventing himself from falling into so many common pitfalls I see other guys fall into. I myself fell into a few traps along the road, sure they were lessons, but often times they were just a total waste of time and an unnecessary setback - like a car that is stuck in the mud spinning its wheels.

>>18382748
>reeee

You have a soon to be fiance and yet you hate women and believe you will always have a stronger connection to the men in your life?

Yeah that isn't going to last long.
And I'm not saying your a loser because you don't have sex, I'm saying your opinions stem from a lack of closeness to a real woman.
They are just as smart as men, just as stupid too.

>>18382777
I clearly stated that I don't hate women. I actually really enjoy women, but my point is that you cannot convince me that following the path of a woman leads to anywhere of goodness for a free man. When women assume control, we see the same routine collapse of the social order into a kind of obese-communard-slave caste society with malnourished and "whipped" males who live mostly for trivialities. Every guy knows at least one of their old pals who fell in love with a "woman" who completely warped his personality and turned him, more or less, into a husk of his former self. That isn't love, nor is it intimacy.

Do not presume to understand me when you're making such ridiculous assumptions. I never made a claim regarding their intelligence, I made a claim regarding the direction that their intellect brings them. We saw this already. It is the "default mode" of life: a communal hut of 20 morons eating off the floor worshipping fat obese cultic statues with the mother-in-law whipping the family and the husband diverting all his money to the wife (a common practice in feminized Asian countries).

You have to understand clearly, the brief gasp of air that was early Rome or the era of Conquistador's is a flash in the darkness of life. For most of humanity and history, men lived like cattle - domesticated and whipped by fat womyn matriarch's who lead society into a dump. And then along comes a storm of free men who set it all ablaze and the cycle repeats. When we learn that we don't need to play the game of the cycle and that we can live in harmony with one another through understanding our needs and necessities, only then will we be able to "reach for the stars". Until then, and as we can see already happening, expect nothing more than an overpopulated Oriental-communard-feminized existence of unrepentant mediocrity.

>>18382774
to appreciate stuff that the stoics wrote you have to first go trough those mistakes, you dont read it and say "yeah this is how i am gonna be" as a young dude, and even then you need a specific type of character to be a stoic, the vast majority of kids will just not care about it, most people that read meditations and lessons usually read it at a later age and just "agree" with the book and dont learn that much from it, alot of the emotions you go trough you cant just "regulate" by teaching those kids with those books, they are not gonna stop becoming angry, they are not gonna stop becoming jealous if they see their oneitis getting fucked by chad etc, you would probably have the opposite reaction

a kid just needs good parents, ideally one thats educated offcourse that will keep the kid on track, thats all it needs

>>18382451
>Apuleius - Golden Ass
Lmao what

>>18382817
Yeah I guess that's a good point, I just think that our current "education" (if you can even call it that) grossly fails at preparing young men for the realities of life.

>>18382829

>>18382746
>>Meditations
>One of the most incredible books I ever read and should be mandatory reading for young men around the time they start to come into their own (~16-18 years old).

What's the best translation?

>>18382360
to post on topic for once, picrel. slightly dated but very much on point.

>>18382829
That one surprised me, never seen anyone else mention it on this board. I brought it up once to recommend it, it's a very fun read, there's nothing controversial to it at all honestly.

>>18382777

Stop moving the goalpost faggot. Not anon, but people like you always do stupid shit like this:

1) You don't have a gf

-Actually I have and soon to be fiance

2) Ah..uh..alright but I bet it won't last long

-Proceeds to last long

3) Uh..uhh,mmm yea but I think she's unhappy or a retarded female

-She actually is happy and educated

4)What do i say now.. hmm.. uhm.. i m-mean you must have paid her !!! yea !!


etc. Fucking obese faggot.

>>18382746

Calling Meditations an incredible book is an exaggeration. It's ok, but nothing to be amazed at.

>>18382926

Nevermind, I've read your post again and you said you're not a big fan of philosophy, that's why you get your mind blown at stoicism.

>>18382727
>I bully women whenever I can and laugh hysterically when they try to play victim
Beyond based disney villain

>>18382360
I want to be a baseball champion, so I try out for little league and get absolutely shit on. So I go on to say how pathetic all players are playing state tourneys, nationals, etc. The only game that matters is the world championship, but I subconsciously know that I'll never make it that far, so instead I just don't play baseball at all and make fun of every player who isn't at a world class level.

This should sum up the psychology of FDS members neatly.

>>18382932
It’s not even the best the Stoics had to offer. I think there’s a lot of guys who thought reading something written by a Roman Emperor was cool and manly.

>>18382727
You are pathetic still playing as a pawn to humans, still treating their actions as things that come from some kind of inherent motivation, rather than seeing at all just as animals acting according to their nature, according to their biological impulses, and seeing them indifferently.

>>18382941
To be fair, being written by a Roman emperor does make it an interesting book by that fact alone

>>18382453
At some level sex really, truly is about procreation. The wealth of the average member of the 18-34 group is not great enough to support themselves and a child. Because sex is stripped of its purest functional meaning the incentive to have sex plummets considerably. On a subconscious level it is depressing that the 18-34 year old is renting a dick or vagina just like they are renting a living space. There is no investment and building towards a future, just a transactional relationship to fulfill a need with nothing to show for it down the road.

There's some very interesting literature online that identifies those accused of being witches across all cultures as sharing similar traits:
>post-menopausal
>childless
>single and living alone
>outspoken (challenging social norms)
And so forth

These women were formerly ostracized and lack resources to function in society. Now they are supported by the welfare state, divorce law, etc. Some tidbits from an interesting piece I read on this:

>In my youth, I was puzzled as to why all societies Western and Eastern once had a practice of identifying certain women as 'witches' and exiling them from society. Contemporary radical 'feminism' explains why this mechanism existed as a societal immune response.

>Radical 'feminists' are wired to protest an advanced society at every imaginable level. If you doubt this, read the links archived here and here. If, part way through, you are too disgusted to continue, that proves my point.

>Men prefer slender, pleasant, debt-free virgins without tattoos, short hair, piercings beyond the earlobes, or 'feminist' indoctrination. Anyone who disagrees with this needs to first start persuading people in non-Western countries to change their minds about their preferences. The good news for immigrant women is that they have to do very little to out-compete American/British/Canadian women who have chosen to drift away from this description.

>Getting involved in 'feminism' will, among other drawbacks, make you far more accessible to predators, both male and female, since it is an ideology accustomed to immunity from accountability.

>For the first 99.9% of human existence, material prosperity was low and human expendability was high, so funneling all resources to women correlated directly with the survival of children, and additional accountability was not necessary. This was the right priority at the time, and the correlation was tight. Only recently has this correlation decoupled, which is why the hardwiring of the human brain, where both men and women put the well-being of women ahead of those of men and even children, still persists.

>Hence, instead of helping children, this money now finds its way to women who spend it on themselves. Thus, we see endless consumer products geared towards women, and a shadow state designed to transfer all costs and consequences away from women. Resources that should be going towards children instead find their way into luxury goods that men don't want (about 90% of the items in any department store).

>>18382875
I have no point of comparison, but I read the Gregory Hays translation and it was very readable.

>>18382932
I find sometimes that the more straight-forward texts are often the most valuable. Perhaps that is why I found Meditations so worthwhile. Maybe you have a suggestion then?

>>18382360
https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/femaledatingstrategy

>>18382984
>r/datingoverforty
>r/askwomenover30
>r/survivinginfidelity

>>18382984
>datingover40
lmfao

>>18382733
>>18382742
Re: chads being just a meme

>Women are not immoral. They are simply hardwired to side with whoever is winning, as this evolutionary trait helped women survive in times of conflict, and thus evolved for good reason. Keep this in mind in order to be on the right side of this unstoppable force, rather than on the wrong side. Don't argue against this, just adapt to it while other men remain clueless and bear the costs.

>The reason the tech industry vexes these 'feminists' so much is because their hindbrain cannot process why money is appearing in the hands of men they find insufficiently attractive. This short circuits their biologically-hardwired understanding of the natural order from the realities of prehistoric times, so they see their urge to seize the money for themselves while destroying the livelihood of these men as restoring the natural order. Since technology would no longer progress if 'feminists' gained too much power, in tech terminology, one can fairly say that their brain-vagina interface is obsolete.

>Virtually all works of fiction marketed to a female audience consist of an alpha male with a harem of women (of which the reader erotically fantasizes of being part), and the alpha male abusing lower-ranking males and the women in his harem. There is no improvement in the human condition or any wondrous new concepts. This is the type of society women prefer, for biologically-derived reasons. A free-market system where a self-made man can rise to the top is emphatically not what women prefer, as it is hard to predict which man as 'lottery ticket' will outperform others. An oligarchal/aristocratic system is one where the men on top today will still be on top 10 years later, making it far easier for women to select who to get impregnated by. Of course, societies of the type that women prefer are not where anything new gets invented, so human progress stalls (see 'Fabric of Humanity' below).

>The 'fair sex' is actually the unfair sex. Most women truly do not want the bottom 80% of men to have the same basic rights as the top 20% of men. Virtually no men believe that a woman's human/legal/property rights should be contingent on her attractiveness, but women do believe this about men. Central pillars of the justice system of any advanced society are in direct conflict with how women think right and wrong should be decided.

>>18382984
Kek, ironically one of the top subreddits here is r/witchesvspatriarchy - which reinforces the point made here >>18382975
It's description:

>Though female-centric, we welcome all beings interested in using their esoteric powers to destroy the Patriarchy and all its constraints on women, men, and everybody in between and beyond.

>Taking a more historic approach to the concept of witches, this sub is meant to channel the spirit of the women who were persecuted in the Salem Witch trials as part of a thinly veiled systemic oppression of female power.

>>18382981

I'm not saying Meditations is bad, just pretty regular advice. Before I even read up on stoicism I found myself following of the things that stoicism supposes, naturally. Maybe that's because I grew up in a bit harsher conditions, which naturally made me adopt a stoic view of life to help me deal with the hardships. So in this sense I feel like the stoic philosophy is pretty "regular" (which isn't a bad thing).

There's much more to philosophy than stoicism, but it requires more effort. You'd need to tell me what interests you before I can give you suggestions, otherwise I can give you random ones like Kant, Nietzsche, Mill, Kierkegaard (just to name very few) or even more greeks like Plato and Aristotle (along which stoicism is pretty small).

>>18382453
they aren't, they're better than ever. you're just mad because you're an incel.

>>18383049

>>18383049
>they're better than ever
Massive cope

>>18383058
like i said, you assume "gender relations" are fucked because some chuds don't get laid. here's the kicker, though: the world doesn't revolve around chuds whose political opinions are wildly unpopular and their desires to get laid. nobody outside of 4chan and some incel blogs cares about your problems.

>>18383073
>1/3
>Not a problem
low quality bait

>>18383076
it isn't, go outside and take a look at men and women sitting together in bars or pushing a pram through parks. the fact that you and a few other outcasts are sexually undesirable doesn't change the pace at which the world is turning.

>>18383049
>>18383073
I assume this is bait - but even if you attribute male incels hating women to poor gender relations, you ignore why women are so openly hateful of men (mostly incels, but on the whole) more than ever.
There isn't any objective measure of gender relations - but the open vitriol between the sexes, displayed in public and online, is something we've never seen in all of history. And it's not getting any better. The results are obvious but only beginning to show. We're heading down a very dark road.

>>18383086

Shut up tranny

>>18383086
>Propaganda in my country saying that every man is a possible rapist
>"Yeah, relations between sexes have never been better"
Also I have a gf retard, I'm just not dumb enough to believe things are going great.

>>18382451
Kino shelf tbqh

>Deep Nutrition

The female carboid fears the healthmaxxing man

>>18382638
Buddy the same goes for men too. Oneitis is a real thing and both genders feel it. Women are just better equipped to handle breaking up with their oneitis because they on average have a broader social support network. Not to mention an entire cultural zeitgeist of future cat ladies spreading the myth of the strong independent woman. Again, males have this figure too and it is equally repulsive and destructive. MGTOW faggots are the male equivalent to single career women. Neither of these creatures deserve any praise for their dysgenic testimonies.

I've had only 3 serious girlfriends in my life from a minimum of 1 year of relationship to a maximum of 3 years. Sprinkled in between those are a handful of casual encounters of no importance. There's nothing like that first relationship. Nothing else comes close.

I've long since laid my oneitis to rest, but the very act of dissecting the thing in response to the pain of losing it, the act of copeing (seriously), has robbed me of some capacity for joy. I cannot revert back to the state of delusion and innocence that made the heights of that first relationship so vertiginous. I literally cannot compete with that first haphazard youthful dose of companionship. I even despise the weak and craven creature I objectively was. I am a much more virtuous and sure-footed man now, but I am also hopelessly outmatched by that young fool's capacity to love and receive love. And for that reason alone I bite my tongue and do not criticize his folly so harshly.

>>18382360
>i'm gonna go out on a limb and say these girls are the female equivalent of picrelated (though they sometimes get baged by some random desperare but decent guy so their ego is through the roof, hence the mindset

No normal person even bothers with this shit

>>18383046
I've dabbled into Nietzsche a bit and read a bit of Kant for an Ethics course I took, albeit several years ago. Perhaps just sharing a piece that you found really worthwhile - something you think should belong on a shelf.

>>18383073
>some chuds
look everyone its an ideological moron speaking out of HIS ass because its the only language he can understand.

>>18383113
Based stuck in an unavoidable emotional limbo poster.

>>18382698
because you talk like a nigger and thus have weak character

>>18382451
>Becoming a supple leopard - Kelly Starret
I get it for some of the other books on the list, but why is a niche 900 page book with narrow subject related to biomechanics of stretching considered a red flag?

I mean, /fit/ bros who know kstar also know that he can be a bit annoying and never shuts the fuck up, bit why would someone think of his book as a red flag?

>>18383117

If you were to not have anything, maybe Plato's complete works. He's the first great philosopher, but his philosophy is not that actual, it's more to understand subsequent philosophers.

But if I were to recommend something actual, it would definitely be Nietzsche (though a lot of pseudo intellectuals "read" him) - Thus Spoke Zarathustra, but to get the meaning from this one you need to understand the context in which Nietzsche wrote it as well as some of his other works.

When I asked that you need to be more specific, I did because there's several branches of philosophy so I don't know what interests you. I sense that you mean philosophy from which to learn practical lessons (since you said Meditatios), that's why I avoid mentioning political philosophy, metaphysics or epistemology for example.

But yeah, Nietzsche (everything really so you can understand Thus Spoke Zarathustra), Kant (Critique of Pure Reason is the basis of his philosophy, it's hard to grasp everything else without it).

Hume is also a good one, Rousseau. There's also harder ones like Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit or Being and Time by Heidegger, but these are actually pretty hard and jumping straight into them is worthless.

If you want more straightforward philosophies like Stoicism, you can orient towards Buddhism or Taoism, they're on the same level of Stoicism (as a manual / guide for dealing with life).

It all depends on what subjects interest you, philosophy has a lot of branches.

>>18383073
read "marriage and civilization" or that book about the youth bulge. having a third of the young male population, which is the generation that is least risk averse and most capable of violence, without a chance to follow their biological imperative - to mate - is a huge problem for a society. it is a recipe for violence and societal upheaval, not like that were necessarily a bad thing in and of itself, but to ignore it could lead to unexpected and unwanted results. there is a lot of subdued (through medication, drugs, alcohol, ideology, consumerism, escapism) anger and frustration in western nations, among natives and immigrants. things might get nasty.

>>18382451
>Deep Nutrition
Are these women really so lazy and degenerate they're scared of eating healthy?

>>18382451
I have had many gfs, and brought up books on this list many times. never had any problems. most women don't read, and they care far more about looks, money and status than anything else. you could tell a roasty in a blm shirt that you just don't really like black people and she'll just nod her head if she likes you. some disgusting jewess with a phd in colonialism wrote this list.

>>18383183
>Becoming a supple leopard - Kelly Starret
I just read an amazon review of an ex navy seal who says it helped him deal with pain. So its just about having men broken I guess.

>>18382451
Also I am missing On the Road by Jack Kerouac

>>18383049
>incels exist
>"They're better"
Huh??

>>18382539
This.

It’s literally never been easier to just sit a home and distract yourself to death.

Game, jerk off, game, eat, sleep.
Forever.