/lit/ - Literature

>>18375734
Well the separation of ethics from action is definitely sociological. By sjruru's razor, "man can only do that which they most want to do in the best way possible given the circumstances", we find correct ethics is already presupposed in ethics. An external ethical framework is a way to skip steps individuals need to learn.

>>18375734
surely you have better things in your life than reading that guy

>>18375734
But wait anon the abstract concepts that she used to communicate with you are fiction also so why would you assume that her book contained any semantic content at all?

>>18375734
>Yuval Noah Harari is an Israeli pub-

>>18375734

>>18375880
Yeah, he is israelie. But it’s not intrinsic value of the book. We judge a book by it’s content, not the author’s nationality background.

Simple as.

I'm sure he has empirical evidence for this assertion, right?

>>18375734
The only people I know who have read this and enjoyed it were complete psychopaths, strongly moralistic ones at that. It's a weird but strangely common mix here.
This book, with the exception of this post, is almost universally spammed on here as some basic bitch pseud shit.
This book is also very popular.
Is it worth reading?

>>18375734
>>Read Sapiens by Harari
Stopped reading right there

>>18375734
Based. Humanity thrived by believing stupid fictions, like Harari's book

>>18375734
That's philosophy 101

>>18376071
It's worth reading as an introductory statement to actual discourse on human nature

>>18376023
it's called induction, and yes, it is necessary in logic

>>18375734
>Sapiens by Harari
>profound knowledge

>>18375734
Dude Harari is like the Paulo Coelho of science. The only reason you’ve read him is because he gets the shit promoted out of him for being a Jew. He’s astroturfed. He was nothing new or profound to say.

The fact that you needed to read a book about this and haven’t just picked that knowledge up through your education, documentaries and conversation with people makes me feel sorry for you.

>>18376467
This is logically wrong

>>18375734
>it's another episode of a young anon discovering social constructionism
it's a phase. get over it as soon as possible.

yes and caveman learned to wipe his ass to be more attractive to female
fuck off

>>18375734
Good point. There is nothing morally objectionable about the holocaust.

>>18376794
>Good point. There is nothing morally objectionable about the holocaust.

This can’t falsified the thread. Lol. According to Harari what we called as moral is not subjective nor objective. It is intersubjective reality which become rules of conduct because everyone believe it as true and good.

And when we think holocaust is good, our action can be interpreted by society as violation of moral consensus. So yeah it’s so bad to think holocaust is good. It’s inhumane. It’s like when you get injured and i think it’s good for you and i laugh.

>>18375734
>modern human created fiction like morality to cooperate with each other.
Ackshually it was created by weak people to separate strong people from their capacity to exercise power

>>18376956
Ohhh, Nietzschean analysis...

Again

>>18375734
man does not create

>>18376956
yes and no. The main problem is the top dogs are genetically superior enough to be seen as superior but not superior enough to be independent from the inferior.All of this could change when automation ,a.i.,etc. becomes real where the genetically inferior serve no purpose and would be breeded out of the gene pool

>>18375734
Not at all a new idea.
Read Denial of Death for a good work on it.

>>18375734
>Harari
Who?

>>18376944
That consensus is entirely artificially manufactured and only exists in certain countries. Destroying ones enemies is much more aligned with traditional notions of the good.

>>18375734
>Light bulbs are fictional bro, they were just 'made up' by man.

globohomo prozac in book form

100% guarentee Yuval has never made a woman cum

>>18377878
or marx lmao

>>18381716
ahhh yes lmao the recommendation of an even older and less coherent possibly-related statement from someone you like, classic post

>>18375734
Sounds subversive.

>>18381487
>Certain countries.
It’s beyond borders. The article 3 of Universal Declaration of Human Rights said, “Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.” This is robust evidence why moral consensus is acceptable internationally. Not just “certain countries.”

>>18375734
Is that Alexander Wang?

>>18383446
No, that’s Amelia Murray.

>reduction of culture and human condition to physical processes
>top of the head looks like this
every time

other philosophers who talk about this?

>>18383458
That head is symbol of his intelectual capability.

>>18375734

Yes, language was the tool that allowed humans to communicate on large escale and religion (in a large sense, here including animism) allowed humans to find common ground and cooperate. Morality as we know it today is mostly created. I say mostly because there are some things we define as moral which stem from the desire of self-preservation: like murder. People don't muder not because religion tells them not to, but because it would undermine everyone's goals, weakening the group and the chances for survival of everyone.

>>18383458
lol this made me laugh

>>18383458
Brain/Nerve growth factors cause baldness.

>>18381689
Of course he hasn't, he's gay

>>18375734
That's nietzsche

>>18375734

i read the entire book when i started getting back into reading last year - i didn't learn anything in all those 400 pages wtf

>>18384382
Feel bad for ya. Nah, but take easy dawg. Read the secondary source which explained the main points of the book.

Good luck for ya and don’t push too ha’ to yaself.

>>18375734
That's utter BS and Harari is a pseud.

Firstly, morality is believed to have begun as 'work together and kill freeriders or die', that's hardly an abstract concept. It's very concrete actually.

Secondly 'the concept of morality or state is merely fiction' is a completely trivial sentence used to to be an edgelord attentionwhore and to sell books. You could argue that the whole of your life is pure perception and you're a brain in a vat and everything is purely fiction, who cares?
Obviously they're not 'merely' fiction since they work together with the universe in such a way to promote life and advanced societies. The fact that a 'state' doesn't wholly (the army of a state exists, the buildings exist) exists physically? No fucking shit sherlock, how hard has this society degraded in order to think this is an interesting concept on which to sell a book? Holy cancer woman jew nigger fuck. Same with morality, the debate of moral relativism is a lot older than this jew hack.

This is an introductory book if you're getting into real thinking about the world. I read it at 18, I found it good then because I didn't know SHIT. Sapiens is now a 5/10, Deus a 0/10 for me after maturing intellectually.

>>18384452

I found the start of the book interesting - as in fairness I know absolutely nothing about early human history- but the book is just shallow. It tries to say so much that really it just says nothing. "DID YOU KNOW THAT WE ALL BELIEVE IN MONEY AND THAT LETS THE ECONOMY GROW" okay? so?? "LANGUAGE LETS US TEACH EACH OTHER" bro like, my brother who's 30 and only worked at a supermarket ever in his life figured that out whilst tripping on LSD - that's the comparison we're going by

It also has an approach that I think a lot of popular non-fiction books take which is : start with the assumptions, find some vague evidence to prove it and there we go. Bregman has done similar with "DID YOU KNOW WE ARE ALL ACTUALLY GOOD PEOPLE BECAUSE IN WORLD WAR 1 FOR CHRISTMAS WE HAD A TRUCE" like sure buddy, thank you, you really found the answer to life with that one example!!!!!

luckily i've read some better books since then but these books are just infotainment, they're not actually trying to offer anything substantial. They're great if you haven't read much (which I hadn't before reading it) but since I want to be a pretentious fuck-wit and read 'good books' I find that they're dogshit now

>>18376553
>haven’t just picked that knowledge up through your education
While I agree that a keen mind should come to these concepts by itself, by definition that means that most won't. I don't see any reason to pity the common person - on the contrary, I'm glad they champion people like Harari to chew for them.

>>18376611
What's next?