/lit/ - Literature

Been awhile but remember being glad I stuck with it. You’re right though, it’s a fucking slog for the first like 200 pages

>>18348387
I guess I'll stick with it as well.

>>18348381
How do you find the beginning of this book boring? The sucker punch was hilarious and the whole build up and awkward was great. Stepan is a hilarious character and so is his son.

>>18348381
newfag can't even triforce.

>>18348381
>>18348414

It's just that the introduction is really long, but that pays off later. Just stick with it and don't drop it you'll see JUST FUCKING WAIT

>>18348381
I just started it too, I'm about 50 pages in, and I've loved it so far.

"Oh my friends," he sometimes exclaimed, inspired, "you cannot imagine what sorrow and anger seize one's soul when a great idea, which one has long and piously revered, is picked up by some bunglers and dragged into the street, to more fools like themselves, and one suddenly meets it in the flea market unrecognizable, dirty, askew, absurdly presented, without proportion, without harmony, a toy for stupid children!"

It reminded me of "that wasn't real communism!" He's a pseud pussy and almost everything he's said and done so far is hilarious.

>>18348992
>chud who doesn't understand what communism is is enjoying this book
might have to drop it now

>>18348381
>>18348992
Also, I'm not going to write it up but the part where Varvara mentions to her salon that she might start up a magazine, only to have 4 random people show up to her house and tell her a meeting has been held; they've decided she's allowed to but will turn it over to them and go back to where she came from (they'll send her a small portion of any money it makes).

I don't understand how you can think that stuff is boring.

I gave it up. It's fucking dreadful.

>>18349021
Yeah, you probably should. If you're triggered enough to confuse what I wrote with the idea that I'm denigrating communist ideals and not the ideologues who spout them, you can probably expect to be filtered.

>>18348992
>>18349021
You will never be a woman

>>18349029
.t instant gratification zoomer

>>18349034
"That wasn't real communism" is a valid argument as communism has never and will likely never be achieved.

Also, it's literally impossible to be filtered by Dostoevesky, he's highschooler tier.

>>18349038
Trannies are all about false appearances. Seeing as you've been filtered by Dostoevsky but you're still posting about it online, I think you have a lot in common.

>>18349056
I wasn't filtered by Demons; I'm the guy recommending him to stick with it you stupid MAN.

Now dilate.

>>18349055
>"That wasn't real communism" is a valid argument as communism has never and will likely never be achieved.
Wow. That's deep bro! Did you think that brilliant piece of logic up all by yourself or did you look up tautology on Wikipedia first?

>>18349064
>I wasn't filtered by Demons; I'm the guy recommending him to stick with it you stupid MAN.

>>18349066
Can you even define what communism is (without googling it :^) )?

>>18349071
Communism/OP's mother's vagina: from each according to his ability, for each according to his needs.

Sneed.

>>18349021
Anyone who says 'chud' should be publicly mocked and shamed

The further you get, the more you'll love it.

>>18348381
Dostoevsky isn't for irony-poisoned zoomers, you actually have to have a soul. Sorry.

they really couldn't have made an uglier cover for this.

>>18350536
they are jews, what do you expect? Get the penguin translation

>>18348523
Kek

>>18349021
I can smell the cock on your breath from way out here

>>18349023
Because 200 pages of it is a bit much, especially since after those 200 pages those character barely have any influence on the story

>>18349070
(You)

From what I saw on the back cover it just sounded like C&P but with political parties, how is this different.

>>18351354
>after those 200 pages those character barely have any influence on the story
Are you retarded?

>>18351391
Are you? They barely even show up.
I understand that they have a symbolic relevance but in terms of the plot they're useless

>>18349055
>Also, it's literally impossible to be filtered by Dostoevesky, he's highschooler tier.
Lol, this b8r definitely got filtered without even realizing it

>>18348513
agree. demons is dostoevsky's funniest book

>>18348381
I love this book, it's my second favorite novel by Dostoevsky right after TBK.

>>18349064
>It's just that the introduction is really long, but that pays off later. Just stick with it and don't drop it you'll see JUST FUCKING WAIT
>I wasn't filtered by Demons; I'm the guy recommending him to stick with it you stupid MAN.
Limited by reading comprehension and filtered by the humor. Probably finished it just so he could tell people he's read it; doesn't realize finished/filtered aren't mutually exclusive.
>>18349055
>"That wasn't real communism" is a valid argument as communism has never and will likely never be achieved. Also, it's literally impossible to be filtered by Dostoevesky, he's highschooler tier.
Filtered by ideas because of retardation. Seriously, this guy is just a fucking moron. Please don't pollute the public world with your midwit takes. Save it for your insufferable friends, if you have any.

Both of those idiots were filtered 100%

>>18352325
>Frogposter
opinion immediately discarded. Cope Seethe Dilate

It's pretty funny book

>>18348523
lmfao

>>18352325
Do you have any rebuttal besides "hurr durr you're retarded?"

/lit/ confirmed for being /pol/ transplants with 0 knowledge of what communism is.

>>18352325
A man will never find you attractive.
You have the bone structure of a male.
You have no womb or ovaries.
Your parents will use your real name when they bury you.
You will never be a woman.

>>18352496
Anon was right making fun of you for the "it wasn't real communism argument." The only rebuttal needed is you being filtered by defining something by it's endstate/ideal instead of just listening when it was pointed out ideologues are the target of the quote (i.e. you were triggered by an analogy referencing a meme).

Besides, strictly defining something that's nebulous and multidimensional only invites you to move the goalposts from the fact you were filtered. I mean, making the argument that a multifaceted social/economic/political AND philosophical ideal, not to mention the complex historical iterations of its various implementations in varying cultural contexts, should be defined on a message board in order to qualify someone for saying you were filtered? You're a retard. Don't read the book (it's about, but not meant for, people like you).

>>18348381
it gets very dark very quickly in the end; I hope the volume you're reading includes the chapter that was removed in the first edition, it's seriously fucked up but gives the background on why main dude (cant remember his name) is the truest nihilist of them all and why the goofy anarchists' society wants him to be their leader so badly. THere were several chapters in that books that really made me feel despair

>>18352372
This guy was filtered. I'll point to textual evidence that the only joke this guy knows is the current tranny meme (and he's triggered by Pepe).

>>18352615
"It wasn't real communism" is used when politically ignorant chuds equate socialist states with communism, because it's true that no communist state has ever existed.

Go ahead, define communism without searching it up. I'll wait.

>>18348381
This book is easily the darkest and most fucked up book by Dostoevsky; keep reading anon. There are still 3 or so specific scenes that stick out in my mind very starkly where I had this pretty horrific existential dread just forced on me. Also like >>18352625 said here, make sure you read a version with the original censored chapter in it. It's the chapter when all these guys were together and some unspeakable shit went down that gives a lot more context to everything

>>18352625
Is it good for a first foray into Dost? I read Notes from the Underground in grade 7 and everything except the story went over my head. I was going to start there but I have copies of CP, a collection of his short stories, and Demons.

just read the book pussy how fucking hard is it?

>>18352648
No, Demons was the last book I read by Dostoevsky. I read The Idiot -> C&P -> Notes from the Underground -> Brothers K -> Demons with a ton of his short stories intermixed in there. I've not read Poor People yet though or the Gambler.

Brothers K is the best book, and possible the best book ever written by anyone ever, but all Dostoevsky books are eldergod-tier. Demons was just especially dark, the first half every ins likable in their won weird way and has some absurd comedy in it, but then shit just get fucking depressing very fast

>>18352647
What's even darker is apparently that chapter (and the rest of the book) was meant to be even more fucked up.

>>18352648
sorry just saw you were asking for a first foray. Crime and Punishment is probably the best book to start with. The Idiot or Demons would probably also both be fine, I would save Brothers K until you've read at least one or two other Dostoevsky books first though

>>18352634
>it was pointed out ideologues are the target of the quote
i.e. "It wasn't real communism" is what people say when they're possessed by an ideal (i.e. Demons). That was the point. You were filtered.
>strictly defining something that's nebulous and multidimensional only invites you to move the goalposts from the fact you were filtered
SHIFTING THE GOALPOSTS. The discussion isn't about communism you absolute midwit.

You're probably too dumb, but one day you might realize you were only winning arguments in your own head.

>>18352647
That scene where Kriliov and Pyotr in that dark room together as Krillov is about to do the deed, after the long diatribe about his justification fo suicide being the only free will thing to do etc. he bites Pyotr's hand and the just starts screaming before pulling the trigger

>>18352723
nice spoilers asshole

>>18352723
Retard

>>18352698
I asked you to define communism, and you can't even do something as simple as that. Yet I'm the midwit?

>>18352869
>one day you might realize you were only winning arguments in your own head.

>>18352898
>>one day you might realize you were only winning arguments in your own head.

>>18348381
I stuck with it and it was kinnow. Make sure to read "At Tikhons" or whatever the censored chapter was called. Especially read it where it should be, not at the end.

>>18353010
>Being filtered by the book because it's boring
>Posts online to figure out if he should DNF
>Misinterprits a discussion about the theme of the book, in relation to a specific quote he's already read, as "/pol chuds" not understandinng "real communism."
You were filtered. Prove me wrong.

its his least accessible but most rewarding. best to read it last and dont skip the adolescent.
>>18349034

its his least accessible but most rewarding. best to read it last and dont skip the adolescent

>>18348523
kek

The grotto scene towards the end is kino. One of best parts in any Dostoyevsky book

>>18348381
I'm a little ahead of you. Seems like things are starting to pick up.

>>18348381
Its good from page one.
If you want a plot novel dont read dostoyevsky, go for some pleb shit.

>that part in which a young man whose family had given him everything kills himself after spending all their money away
Very kino, one of Dostoyevsky's best scenes

>>18349055
>>18351708

>>18354039
>he thinks Dostoevsky isn't pleb-tier

>>18354071
Especially the part afterwards where some of the people visiting the scene start fucking with the guys stuff the be edgy, just like the Logan Paul shit a few years back

>>18354380
>tries to impress strangers by bragging his intellect is slumming it by reading Dostoevsky