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18328196 No.18328196 [Reply] [Original]

Should you read authors or ideas you instinctively & vehemently disagree with?

>> No.18328221

only after you can articulate your own ideas and challenge others

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18328223

Depends. Who do you vehemently disagree with

>> No.18328226

>>18328196
no you have to reinforce your echo chamber and deplatform anyone who offers a different opinion

>> No.18328283

>>18328196
Start with what you're interested in, then see why other people don't like it.

>> No.18328298

>>18328223
The best example I can think of would probably be blind nihilistic/atheist adherents of scientism (eg Neil Tyson). Extremely polarized left or right ideologues are others I tend to quickly ignore. It just seems like a waste of mind energy to focus on concepts that are anathema from a first impression

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>>18328298
Nietzsche
Kropotkin
Bakunin
Graeber
Michael Hudson (economist, not the male model)
And Epicurus

>> No.18328966

>>18328196
Read all the works from the /pol/ "hello ggomrades this is the general of marxism-leninism"
I am still a prussian socialist.

>> No.18328978

>>18328350
You really are a walking caricature incapable of having a conversation. Biggest autist on here.

>> No.18328989

>>18328196
I don't want to read Husserl. I read the first paragraphs of his introductionary work and the moment he tried to shill his completeness I just couldn't take it anymore. I took to shit and piss and I even cummed. I cummed phenomenologically all over his writing, all over my library copy of his book. It's currently drying on the heater, I will return it tomorrow with some cheese in there to mask the smell. This is not the first time this happened; nor will it be the last. Not until all these pseud phenomenologists and their cringe self restrictive world view of real science have been cummed on. Yeah, all of them will be.

>> No.18329404

Depends. It's always better to read people you supposedly disagree with but certain standards should be met. Personally I wouldn't mind reading Thomas sowell or the austrian school but I draw the line at cia meme shit like the black book of communism. A certain amount of good faith and sincerity is what I expect from any author

>> No.18329480

>>18328196
Why would I purposely read books that are wrong?

>> No.18330236

>>18328978
Just giving recommendations to the OP that won’t waste his time. So many of you still mistake liberals for leftists and these won’t make the frog seethe.


>>18329480
I was raised on a very wrong book. It’s good to test the waters sometimes.

>> No.18330358

>>18328226
This, also you should actively try to misrepresent the viewpoints of those you disagree with, to the point where even you aren't sure what's really being argued. If everyone plays their part well, society could be completely disintegrated within just a few decades

>> No.18330432

>>18330236
Holy shit Butterfly is your whole repellent personality JUST because you were raised Christian and now you’re rebelling against mummy & daddy? Like that’s it? I had hoped you’d at least been raped by a philosophy major undergrad or something. You should really grow up

>> No.18330438

>>18328196
you shouldn't be reading at all, just buy dogecoin and spend your life browsing twitter

>> No.18330547

>>18328350
>Michael Hudson (economist)
What do you disagree with in his analysis? he seems to be spot-on IMO

>> No.18331092

>>18330547
I’m recommending him to the OP. I don’t know of anything I disagree with. He talks me out of believing in bitcoin. Was a nice couple of days.

>>18330432
I left my childhood home before deciding to drop it entirely, so no, not rebelling. It’s called maturing

>> No.18331128

>>18331092
>Maturing
You're still an attention whoring tripfag browsing here 24/7 despite being at least in your 30s.

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>>18331128
Your assessment of me is askew from your cultish views. I interact with my entertainment here. Not unlike anyone attached to television.

>> No.18331531

>>18331360
I am not him you dumb self-centered whore.

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>>18328196
sure the important thing is you have fun

>> No.18331826

>>18328283
this

>> No.18331835

>>18331642
nft niggas be like

>> No.18331857

i enjoy reading mishima a lot, even though he's this weird homo fascist death cultist who has an extremely different worldview to me. it's intense, fascinating and beautiful
i'd say yes, it's good to try and understand different perspectives, but only if they're also aesthetically interesting

>> No.18331929

>>18328350
>Kropotkin
He comes off as an aristocrat who hates middle class people

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>actively LARP with viewpoints you actively despise or disagree
>used to do it because it was amusing, but now it's by habit, and you cannot stop
>all value systems leveled from being abused and exchanged like chattel
>can now only operate out of pain avoidance and raw volition

spook'd

>> No.18332160

>>18331929
You come off as a liberal who supports the institution of classism.

>> No.18333404

>>18331929
Thats true. He was in favor of prolonging Russian involvement in WW1. Why would a true representative of the proletariat hold that position?

>> No.18333540

>>18328196
I would have never opened my mind and heart to the greatness of Adolf Hitler had that been my policy in life.

>> No.18333579

>>18328196
Know your enemy.

>> No.18333589

>>18328350
>Russian anarchists
Basedku anonimje

>> No.18333603

>>18329404
>A certain amount of good faith and sincerity is what I expect from any author
I think you can still learn something from dishonest people: rhetoric, how to convince people, stuff like this. Of course, how you use that skill is up to you

>> No.18333609

>>18330236
>I was raised on a very wrong book.
Spends a decade of her adult life ranting at strangers because she can't process religion itself and has to go back to what it represented to people she divorced herself from.

You're not a healthy example for Op.

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>>18333589
Cпacибo

>>18333609
I’m one of the only life-affirming positive people around here. Schizophrenia isn’t healthy, tranny poster.
https://youtu.be/3KaiB0Q6ndE

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>>18333685
Ranting at strangers about how you don't believe in God because you hate your family isn't an example of being life-affirming and positive.

Also, by your own admission a couple of weeks ago--you haven't read deeply on the subject and base your ideas on New Atheism materialists. (You haven't even tried to read anything from a phenomenological perspective or even something alternative, but respectful of religious experience, like Jung).

>> No.18333917

>>18328196
Yes. I'm an atheist and I've never read Richard Dawkins but I've read several weighty tomes by so called "genius" theologians. It really is amazing just how easy it is to refute every single thing they say. And disagreeing with a "genius" makes you far better at communicating your own ideas than agreeing with someone.

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>>18333896
Fake post

>> No.18334033

>>18328196
You need to understand the argument in order to disagree with or to dismantle it. You need the knowledge.

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>>18333939
You have negative ideation toward religion because you associate it with your parents. You've made being irreligious part of your persona but it's reactionary. You haven't done the work.

You're just being dishonest.

>> No.18334053

No. You should block any and all noise from your life that you don’t like

>> No.18334059

>>18331092
>I left my childhood home before deciding to drop it entirely, so no, not rebelling. It’s called maturing
Systematic over generalization, neurotic connection to abstract concept with failures of your life, spotlight effect of self induced repetitive logical fallacies that loop finely, absurd rationalizations and intellectualizations that are made to reach same delusional goals, instead of advancing anything.

This is maturing?

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>>18334045
You’re just scared of the reality of it all.

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>>18334572
Your parents still determine your worldview. Their (alleged) abuse has left you unable to form a nonreactive identity. You're afraid and dishonest with yourself...that's reality.

>> No.18334637

>>18333685
>tranny poster
aren't you the tranny though

>> No.18334638

>>18328196
You're going to have to, since you're here forever.

>> No.18334648

>still trolling
I reacted against my misery. After I went off to find work, live apart from them. My slow spiritual journey unfurled late in life. There was no teacher except the one that explained carbon dating to me, that made me atheist. My misery led me to contemplation and assembling all that I had learned.
You’re afraid is all.

>> No.18334656

>>18334637
Not ever

>> No.18334688

>>18334648
That's cool but being an atheist doesn't make you unique. Religion is fading in most of Europe and East Asia, you know, the civilized parts of the world

>> No.18334705

>>18334648
>There was no teacher except the one that explained carbon dating to me, that made me atheist. My misery led me to contemplation and assembling all that I had learned.
HAHAHAHAHA. Fucking retard.