/lit/ - Literature

First for fuck anime, China, Japan, and Asian literature as a whole. Two was not enough.

FUCK PATRICK ROTHFUSS

also what happened to wsffg while I was gone? Did you guys sign a treaty or something?

>>18326470
Nothing happened, they just gave up.

>>18326470
It seems, not to tempt fate, that Bakker and chinkshit posting cooled off so there's nothing to piss off autists enough to make a new thread.

post current sci fi reading or at least last one you've read i don't care for your gay dragon larp

>>18326470
>http://dance.cavifax.com/l/8e83c/

>>18326493
I read the first book of the Expanse 15 months ago. It was pretty meh

Is "The Vorrh" any good lads?

What is with Simmons and his weird obsession with Jews and Israel?
I swear to god, first it was Endymion, then it was Ilium, with Jewish people and their promised land suddenly being incredibly integral to the story 3/4ths of the way through.

If Kellhus was so smart
why didn't he outfit his army with better weapons?

>>18326548
Born in Peoria, probably a good protestant boy raised on the Old Testament. Never underestimate the Christian penchant for seeing the Jews as their cultural ancestors

>>18326527
well that's on you for reading new shit

>>18326617
I don't read scifi, it's a boring genre. I had the expanse pushed on to me by a friend and felt compelled to give it a serious try.

>>18326493
Been reading Jack Vance's short stories. His stories are all great even after all these years.
Thing is, I don't understand why physical copies of his books are so hard to get a hold of (relatively). For such a lauded author, all the reasonably priced books I could find a copy of were used.

>>18326573
The army was just the escort to the Schools. Basically, he didn't give a shit about his Zerglings. Better question is why he's so attached to Esmenet. I'm pretty sure parents are more attached to their children than to each other.

What was the best fantasy novel published in 2013?

>>18326674
Despite being the uber giga Dûnyain and basically becoming a God, Kell was a simp.
I think Bakker hints at it in the prologue when he describes Kell thinking a mountain range resembled a beautiful woman’s hip.
Kell was definitely into the ladies and it clouded his judgement. In fact his simping for Esmi is directly responsible for the second apocalypse. Bringing her to Golgotterath was a huge mistake, a rational Dûnyain would have just let her get rekt by the rebels. She was obviously the one who freed Kelmomas.
>The study is so deep, Father...

>>18326674
Serwë mindbroke Kellhus pretty early in the story

>>18326455
>Paint an dystopian setting.
>Draw a little anime girl in the middle
>Otakus furiously jerk their dicks off
Why are you like this.

>he, being five foot eight and nearly a head taller than the others, could manage it most easily
hehe

>>18326674
He’s weak to brown sugar

>>18327028
I can relate.

>>18326705
Yeah I still don't get why Kellhus left the ordeal. It was premeditated too, since he was preparing Proyas to lead, even before the meat. I feel the only answer is Ajokli, but that's another part of the story I barely understand. Also why did the new no-god appear as Kellhus for a sec before becoming the whirlwind? Was it just to troll everyone?

>>18327077
>Was it just to troll everyone?
It was a Consult hologram. Yes to troll everyone; to lull the ordeal into submission and make them let their guard down; and to double up the dramatic impact of what comes after.

I have a weird theory that the Progenitors are/were us, humans of Earth having reached an extreme level of technology and hedonism, and the Inchoroi are our own creation. Eärwa could be seen as a parallel dimension Earth. Bakker has described the Ark as the final step in a process of technological evolution that prizes pleasure and instant gratification, ie. every kind of porn instantly accesible on your phone. It’s just a thought, maybe the Progenitors are bizarre tentacled xenos, but they could also be us.

>>18326686
What's special about 2013?

>>18326455
Theft of Swords - The Riyria Revelations #1-2, Michael J. Sullivan (2008, 2011)

This is an omnibus of two books that were originally self-published and that's clearly evident in many ways. I had read an excerpt of a different book of the series and was intrigued so I went back to the first book in terms of publication order.

These two at least didn't turn out to be what I thought they'd be, which was disappointing. Both books can be very easily summed up. The first is "help a royal" and the second is "slay a monster". These are not serious books by any means and I was initially taken in by that. Sometimes they attempt to be serious but those were the parts that I thought could have gone much better and didn't compare favorably to similar novels.

At first it seemed like they had much promise, especially in terms of humor, but the comedic parts were unable to sustain my enjoyment and what remained were rather standard fantasy stories that I didn't find to be particularly well written or plotted. There are certainly enjoyable parts, but they are far too few.

Aside from the protagonists, I didn't really connect with any of the other characters, or with much of it in general. This led me to be feeling rather disconnected and overall not invested in what I was reading most of the time. Named characters die, but it didn't mean much to me, though it should have.

There were a few subversions that were appreciated, but overall the logic of the story is whatever the plot requires it to be rather than being an organic part of it.

I may eventually read more of them, but if I do, they will be a low priority, as this was a disappointing experience, though that may be mostly because I had incorrect expectations of what they would be. There are certainly a lot of books in this universe if I wanted to.

Rating: 3/5

>>18326455
Theft of Swords - The Riyria Revelations #1-2, Michael J. Sullivan (2008, 2011)
This is an omnibus of two books that were originally self-published and that's clearly evident in many ways. I had read an excerpt of a different book of the series and was intrigued so I went back to the first book in terms of publication order.
These two at least didn't turn out to be what I thought they'd be, which was disappointing. Both books can be very easily summed up. The first is "help a royal" and the second is "slay a monster". These are not serious books by any means and I was initially taken in by that. Sometimes they attempt to be serious but those were the parts that I thought could have gone much better and didn't compare favorably to similar novels.
At first it seemed like they had much promise, especially in terms of humor, but the comedic parts were unable to sustain my enjoyment and what remained were rather standard fantasy stories that I didn't find to be particularly well written or plotted. There are certainly enjoyable parts, but they are far too few.
Aside from the protagonists, I didn't really connect with any of the other characters, or with much of it in general. This led me to be feeling rather disconnected and overall not invested in what I was reading most of the time. Named characters die, but it didn't mean much to me, though it should have.
There were a few subversions that were appreciated, but overall the logic of the story is whatever the plot requires it to be rather than being an organic part of it.
I may eventually read more of them, but if I do, they will be a low priority, as this was a disappointing experience, though that may be mostly because I had incorrect expectations of what they would be. There are certainly a lot of books in this universe if I wanted to.
Rating: 3/5

>>18327169
It's the year my girlfriend was born

Just read the prologue of The Darkness That Comes Before after seeing it recommended here so much.

Does it... Get better? I guess it might not be my taste, but the prologue just didn't catch my interest really.
>start off with an exposition dump for world building
>throw in kid getting raped by a priest because these are bad times
>2000 years later
>rape victim's great-something grandson is on a quest to find his dad because of dreams now, definitely not giving chosen one vibes
>literal neckbeard fedora-tipper who constantly thinks about how superior he is to these superstitious God-fearing retards
>use big brain powers to manipulate the old guy that saves your life because your dumb ass is too stupid be outside
>but he's still a genius
>kill some dogs for the gut reaction from the audience, remind them it's REALLY bad times
>leave the old guy to die too because he was just a STUPID PAWN
>encounter an ageless horseman who has spent millennia fighting and honing his skills
>beat his ass easy using big brain monk powers because he's a badass despite spending his whole life in a monastery
>stand over the immortal and prepare to monologue because big brain
>wtf he used magic that's cheating
>run away
What gives?
Kellhus just seems like an unlikeable or unrelatable ass, like a worse Kvothe. Does he ever stop just using people? Does his character develop in any interesting way? I really wanted to like this because I was looking for some darker fantasy, but I don't know. When I got to the first chapter I was hoping to find that the protagonist was actually someone against Kellhus, but upon researching further I seem to have been disappointed.

>>18327392
you fell for the memes anon

nobody here actually thinks its good, its all shitposting

Read Reverend Insanity. Transcend your mortal coil and embrace a Being of Benefits.

Sex
Romance and Sex

>>18327159
Didn't know that about the ark. I expected The Unholy Consult to give me all the answers I wanted, but it ended up leaving me with way more questions. I hope the planned sequels get written because damn I want to know what's gonna happen. The only way I can see humanity winning is if Koringhus' son becomes as powerful as his grandfather and fights the consult but I don't even remember what happened to him after escaping the skin spy

>>18327392
>Someone actually fell for the shitposts.
To answer your question: no. It does not get better. Better drop it now. Since Bakker is a cuckold who likes to introduce cuckoldry in his works.

>>18327400
Son of a bitch, at least I bought used.

>>18327392
You don't understand Kellhus. He doesn't have an ego, much less a fat head. Only thing human about him is his body. Achamian is the protagonist, Kellhus is more of a force of nature. He also gets very little POVs.

Also, the dreams were not some prophecy, there's no reason to think Kellhus is a Chosen One.

>>18327508
Again I've only read the prologue and I fully admit that I don't understand the big picture, but you are bullshitting yourself if you think a character presented as "the descendent of the last high king who is on a quest to find his father because he called to him in a dream while cutting down his fearsome foes with ease" doesn't give off serious chosen one vibes.

>>18327537
Yeah he definitely gives off chosen one vibes in the prologue, which is what I thought he was. He kind of is the chosen one, but he's not actually the protagonist.

Let's be honest the only person who has ever written a good story in lovecraft's universe is Lovecraft. Every single follow-up is embarrassing trash

>>18327186
I read some other book by the same guy that currently holds the title for Worst Fantasy Novel I Have Ever Read. Guy has a knack for writing stories without any plot twists where the entire thing is explained at the start, so the whole thing feels like its own wikipedia article.

>>18327638
I think "Lovecraft mythos" stories suffer mainly from just borrowing directly from Lovecraft's existing creatures, when most of the tension in his stories came from an incomplete understanding of what the monster was or could do. The entire climax of At the Mountains of Madness completely falls apart if you go into the story knowing what a shoggoth is.

>>18327488
>Koringhus' son becomes as powerful as his grandfather
He's not one of the Few. Their only hope is metagnosis.

>>18327537
Akoji's trolling Earwa here, Khellus is his dark messiah.

>>18327537
Don’t buy kellhuscoin too early. You hardly know him.

>>18327936
topical

>>18327503
Can’t you return it? And spend your money on something better.

>>18327392
>filtered by the prologue
many such cases.
>filtered by the first book
likewise.

>>18327501
you will never be a woman
you will never be japanese
you will never not be a pedo.
you will never appreciate bakker.
KYS animeshitter.

I take back everything I said about God Emperor, it's at least as good as Messiah, maybe even better. I probably had a bad impression of God Emperor cause a lot of things went over my head, but after rereading the series I'm able to appreciate it more.

>>18327936
>crypto references in /sffg/
top signal

>>18327392
>he bought it
oh nonono, enjoy your cuckoldry fanfic bruh

>>18328480
Shill

I think I'm getting filtered.
10% of the way through.
Is he just going to keep talking about things like we all know about them already? That's the one thing I never sign up for.
This better start adding up real fast.
Maybe I'm just tired too but the ship's interior description flew right over my head and I'm just picturing some of the rooms from Ender's Game that I had imagined up already but with camping tents.

>>18327638
You made me think of the word Lovecraft-like. So I'm going to share it with you and you can't unknow it now.
The same way I have to know Souls-like.

>>18326416
Most are bad. Even worse, a lot of them are boring.

>>18327284
dangerously based

>>18326455
If you love Tolkien so much why don't you marry him?

>>18328755
He's dead, Jim.

>>18328760
That just means he can't reject you

>>18328760
>>18328773
We laugh but in some community in America... it won't be a disgusting corpse, mind you, but someone will marry a dead person. Everyone there will think it's progressive and it won't be challenged, even though it should. But you're not allowed to reach from the outside in and prosecute, you're nobody. As long as dozens of online papers say it was an experience to behold then it will happen unmolested by good people.

>>18328670
It's not the easiest read but I was able to make it through despite having little experience with hard SF. Making sense of the ship was also something I had trouble with. If you stick with it it will start to make sense, though.

>>18327503
>buying books
NGMI.

Use zlib, ya mong. And if you really like the work, buy it afterwards or send it to a friend who would enjoy it.

>>18328904
Yeah, that's what I do. I don't really want to give my money to worldofbooks or some equivalent ebay shop, even if it is only a few quid for a second hand book, it adds up.
I'm struggling to remember the last time I actually gave any money to an (((author))).

>>18328587
>in today's electronically balkanized society, genre [is] the only place where it [is] possible to write 'literature'
This is true

any books about the protagonist going on an epic journey with a group of trusty companions?

>>18328969
the more cities and landmarks they visit while on this journey, the better

>>18328926
I do it to try and balance out my wife, who refuses to read ebooks and seems to have never even heard of a library. So she buys like $100/mo of books from the Amazon store, or worse local book stores, nearby.

I don't think a 300 page novel is worth $20, so I won't pay it. Especially since the author gets like $3, Amazon gets $3, supply chain takes up $10, and publisher takes the last $4.

>>18329019
That is a gross misuse of finances, I don't know why people so stubbornly resist ebooks. At least your wife reads books (assuming she doesn't just shelve them), mine just listens to her Harry Potter audiobooks over and over again. The ones read by Stephen Fry, I pirated them for her.

>>18328474
Nah it's fine, I'm not a fan but there is still stuff I can glean from it that makes it worth what little I spent on it.

>>18327028
Damn...

Opinions? There's some lefty social values in here I'm not too fond of but I like the world it's built in

>>18327392
First book is rough since it doesn't bother explaining too much. If you don't like the second one then I wouldn't bother continuing. All your gripes are explained/justified by the series in later novels tho.

>>18329130
Yeah, I might come back to it at some point. I definitely think he does a great job with world building and atmosphere though.

>>18329179
If you think that from reading the confusing-as-fuck prologue I'd encourage you to read more. There is a basis for the filtered meme given how the series opens. Book 1 is all setup.

Any fantasy novels about antinatalism?

>>18326674
>>18327028
Someone post the Esmi girl
The pajeeta with the mommy milkers.
You know of whom I speak.

>>18329198
I'll keep that in mind, thanks.

>>18326455
Fuck E William Brown
Fuck pay pigs
Fuck pay walls
Fuck incommunicado
Fuck delays
Fuck push backs
Fuck laziness
Fuck you

Discuss.

>>18329201
Like novels about what a retarded concept that is? I can't think of any off the top of my head but I'm pretty sure there are some novels about catastrophic population decline, although most of those are caused by environmental factors rather than stupid social movements

>>18329369
Is Fimbulwinter any good?

>>18329370
No, I would like novels that either support it or include characters who do.

>>18329386
>or include characters who do.
Antagonists are fine too.

>>18329386
>>18329459
A lot of Japanese demon kings usually want to stop people from breeding by killing them all.

>>18329540
>light novels
Hard pass

>>18327477
yeah, we definitely need more of these in books

>>18329386
Do you mean like characters that just have no interest in having kids or like characters holding antinatalist political beliefs?

>>18329605
The latter. Any reason for them holding that position is fine.

>>18329573
The only character in fiction I can think of is Zeke Yeager from Attack on Titan, but I'm guessing you'd like manga even less.

>>18329640
I like VNs a lot but I'm not really a fan of other Japanese media.

>>18329672
Fair enough. I'm not really into manga, Attack on Titan is the only one I've read because I really wanted to see what all the fuss was about; it's a 10/10 story with a 1/10 ending. /a/ is still seething over it. I do enjoy Japanese light novels a lot though.

>>18328670
It was great, but something about the way it was written made it sound like it was being narrated by Bale's Batman voice in my head.

>>18329386
The Second Apocalypse villains are antinatalists, though not for the reasons deluded seculars have come up with. The villains also don't show up much.

anyone read the acts of caine series? i'm having a hard time figuring out if it's been completed or not. last book came out in 2012

>>18326493
Some high quality shit. Fuck Cheng Xia, justice for Wade, Luo Ji is a badass.

I can't wait for this series to be adapted

>>18329041
You're not wrong, but she has used e-readers and prefers the process of physically turning pages and etc, supposedly because she'll go back and re-read parts, etc. Idk I don't get it, but not a hill I'll die on, and we're doing well enough that several hundred dollars a year isn't missed. It's less than either of us spend on various other hobbies, the entertainment time per dollar spent isn't terrible even if there's zero resale value.

Plus I read more than she does, so my theft and her indulgence balances out somewhat. The human mind is great at rationalizing bad decision, as you can see. I'll try to sell her on the library again once the Kung Flu ends.

>>18329369
I'm not even sure what it means. What's 1984, a handful of classic Sci fi, and Murderbot doing on the same list together?

>>18329369
Weird mix of second tier novels from first and second tier authors. Plus 1984, which is of course a classic.

The ones I've read from that list aren't bad, but... I'm confused as to how they chose the ones they did. Why tunnel in the sky (or the zombies one...) but not Starship Troopers? Why treason and not fucking Ender's Game? Why Poul Anderson that isn't the High Crusade?

>>18326493
>fuck you, ya blue skinned pagan fucks
Super quick read, fun as fuck.

>>18328969
>>18328975
You're kidding, right?

>>18329041

>>18326493
Might drop it. It really doesn't have the same feel that I got from Hyperion.

Has anyone else ever read Retribution Falls or the rest of the Ketty Jay series? It was the first fantasy I read, I picked it up in the library because it looked cool and I liked pirate stuff. It's not bad.
>>18329911
Added this to my reading list, it sounds like something I'd enjoy.

>>18329915

Recommend me some chink literature

>>18330091
recommend me some adult novels with tons of sex and romance

Is the Imaro any good? I keep seeing it recommended as decent sword-and-sorcery but everything about the covers and the author just screams WE WUZ KANGZ

>>18330026
It's shit. The next one is even worse. Loved the first two though

>>18330242
I want to have sex sex sex sex with black women.

>>18329768
That will do. Abnormal fictional reasons are good.

>>18329373
It’s good coomercore for the first two or three books.

>>18330026
I loved the first two but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a good thing posted here about Endymion so I’ve never attempted it

>>18330310
I have never felt any sexual attraction to a black woman. My brain doesn't even register them as women.

>>18330310
>>18330457
I didn't ask about your sexual preferences, I was asking if the book was any good

I got filtered by a fire upon the deep. I thought the talking dog planet was retarded. Should I return to it?

>>18330519
what a coincidence, i'm currently reading it. thought it was retarded too. it not only seems like a different genre from the rest of the book, but it also seems to have been written by a different, shittier author. so much bullshit that happens there is painfully contrived that i actually sometimes cringe. have not hated it enough to quit though. so far, the other portion of the story is great and the author's concepts are very interesting.
won't know more until i finish it.

>>18330457
>>18330477
If you're this low T you shouldn't bother with s+s.

>>18330440
Is it rapey, or no?

>>18330457
Yeah, same. There is nothing attractive about them.

>>18330444
Trips of truth. It's a shame too, the first one is a bona-fide classic and second one is also very good.

>>18330606
Not really

>>18330685
Jolly good then. I'm putting it on my reading list.

>>18330053
Retribution Falls sucks ass. Pick up the books of babel instead

>>18330702
Pozzed answer bruh

>>18330828
Just don't like it, simple as.

>>18330872
What are you, gay?

What are some books with a great sense of camaraderie

>>18330900
The Black Company is good and definitely has a lot of that,

>>18327077
>I still don't get why Kellhus left the ordeal
He saw the nuke and it confirmed to him that the ordeal was taken over by dunyain, so he would need the most extreme measures to succeed. He had prepared Proyas for this contingency, so Proyas would do the needful while Kellhus remained pure. He probably figured that a tainted prophet would be detrimental, whereas a damned ordeal would fight at the outmost of their ability in the hope of earning salvation.

He used the time to rescue Esme, because he loves her. Even though her hatred breaks his heart, he wanted her near him.

>>18327159
>Was it just to troll everyone
I don't get that part. Perhaps it had something to do with the system not being booted up completely yet. Kelmomas had talked about how being God Emperor would have been neat.


The bigger question is why none of the present sorcerers attacked the No God. It used to have chorae embedded into it, but it had no longer, unless I missed something.

>>18327924
>>18327488
>Koringhus' son
>Their only hope is metagnosis
Remember when Serwa got rid of all the chorae and the dragon and yelled "Now, Kayûtas!" as she fell to her death (presumably)? Kayutas was with Saccarees and other sorcerers and men, and I don't think any of them were mentioned again after that part. The Dunyain said the Ark is an integral part of the No-God mechanism, and the machines in the Ark awaken and start to do thinks when the No-God's hologram is dispelled.

There's also the Scylvendi host, which had narrowly avoided being massacred as a result of being betrayed by the Consult, so while not friendly to the Three Seas, it now has a King-of-Tribes who is no enemy of it, and they aren't likely to side with the Consult again. For all his madness, Cnaiur did save his people and it makes sense that his choice of successor was designed to keep them from being exterminated too. Perhaps he even suspected the Dunsult after he heard the Consult had sacked Ishual.

>>18331217
Based Bakker autist

>>18329369
Chart is wrong.

https://twitter.com/FortniteGame/status/1397975897744027651

Imagine Kelsier doing Fortnite default dance

>>18326470
I never read the books instead i had it on audible, yea i know.
Anyway i got the books years ago each during one of audible sales, the buy one get one and even then it was not because of the author or the book themselves (never heard of either), but because of the narrator Nick Podhel who is one of the best, he is a man of many voices. Hell i ended up getting the sequel later before i even started the first.
When i finally got around to listening it was so fucking boring, i thought okay its a slow burn, and Nick's narration was saving it somewhat (only reason i got as far as i did).
The scene about the scribe guys short hand was cool and the traveling carney scene was good but then it just went to shit again and slowly, so very slowly dragged on. That was when i realized it was one of those where its 2-5 hours of fluff and 30min-1 hour of actual interest.
There are a few good ideas, scenes, and world building lore, but the characters and story are just so boring at best and up their own ass (especially the second book). Its one of those worlds you like to hear about but never actually read (or listen in my case).
I will say this though i do like the book titles and what they mean in the actual books.

>>18331598
I'll post webms as soon as he's available, pinky promise

>>18331637
Why do people keep recommending him.

>>18331853
Because his actual prose is second to none in the fantasy world scene right now.
His story isn't very good and his characters are fairly shallow and his worldbuilding isn't the best. But that man can write beautifully.

>>18331853
I am not sure.

Like i said before it is one of those worlds where you hear the lore and character are described to you and your like o that sounds awesome, but then you read it and its shit.

It has its good points and few good scenes. Like i said i like how the name of the book fits in with the story, but i just cant take myself to like it. Also it goes to so much great length to describe things but never truly explaining them. Think the all the lore and speculation of plots in the song of ice and fire that people do, but lesser and you got the plots in this book. The characters do not help.

Actually that might be the case. There is a lot of mystery in the book, but when one is explained 2 more pop up. People like mystery and wanting to know whats next, and until the mystery is answered you can hook people. (Think that faggot JJ Abrams and his mystery boxes. He set up a lot of mystery in the Force Awakens, but look how that turned out.) The author by end of book 2 has set up so many that it will be impossible to explain them all, at leas well, in the third and final book. Unless he extends it from a trilogy.

In short maybe people just like to speculate on the mystery and think that makes the series good , not realizing that the mystery is only half of it. If the resolution of the mystery turn out to be shit then the entire thing goes to shit. People right now only have the mystery not the resolution and as such they can keep thinking it is good, even if the characters and story is shit. Maybe in their minds mystery and speculation is a sign of a good book and the book does have a lot of that especially the second, but again the author always answers the mystery with another mystery and not just one mystery but two or more.

>>18329041
>I don't know why people so stubbornly resist ebooks
Because ebooks are a crime against nature.

>>18331637
>>18332013
>>18326470
>>18332038
Someone post it

>>18332013
Hit the nail on the head. The content is alright at best but the prose is exceptional and very readable. Rothfuss undeniably has a talent for weaving the threads of a story together and grasps the method well. It's like if Caravaggio only painted scenes of Brazilian transvestites and scat porn. /lit/ will shit on it but honestly I think, if you want to write fantasy, it's good to read it and learn from it's strengths and weaknesses. Only a pseud would say otherwise.

>>18329858
JUSTICE FOR WADE

>>18330717
>books of babel
Yeah these are the real deal, fun stuff.
Don't feel like typing out a review, just wanted to add a positive feedback.
4th book coming out later this year.

>>18332106
target audience

>>18332013
>>18332115
>prose is second to none
>the prose is exceptional and very readable
lmao, what does that mean?

I remember the books as being exceptionally easy to read, flowing well and all that
But there were no flourishes, nothing exceptional, nothing remarkably clever (I think)
Are these not YA books using simple language?

>>18332106
Impressive

I finished a Wheel of Time 2 days ago and I've been feeling sad ever since. I don't even think it was super good or anything, but it has been with me for 6 months of my life and now there's just nothing.

>>18332323
It's exceptional compared to other fantasy writers' prose

compared to actual good prose its still garbage, but its less garbage than what fantasy readers have come to expect

>>18326548
i like the line in hyperion where he says the consul looked at the jew and it's baby and then looked away in disgust

>>18330897
I got raped by my uncle

>>18330900
Six of crows
>>18332306
Suck my big fat cock

>>18332451
Read the cosmere

>>18332491
Nice. Pics?

>>18331598
I saw a thread about it on /v/ earlier. So weird. Did they approach the Sandman or did he approach them? How does that even work?

>>18332013
>in the fantasy world scene right now.
He hasn't put out a book in over a decade. He's not a writer. Hell, Erikson shits all over him.

>>18328670
His prose is weird and borderline autistic. Im sure everyone has a problem imagining the ship as he doesn't do a good job describing it.
Having said this, its a very good book and keep on reading it, it will make more sense in the end.

>>18332451
Try the Riftwar Cycle by Raymomd E Feist.

>>18332525
He wrote for epic before and he's pals with fortnut's creative director

>>18329128
Only half way through the second book. Fuck I loved Miller. He was characterized very well, and everytime he hallucinated Julie with him it hit me in the feels.

>>18329858
I think it would be a piss poor adaption.
Very little "happens". It's mostly just explaining neat science things.
You know they're going to fuck up the 3body game. The Trisolarians are going to look fucking stupid.
And all the neat stuff in the Trisolaris system are just going to be meaningless space shots.
A tv adaption would be 75% communist drama (that's favorable to china of course, we want them to see this so they pay us)

I just finished Dune : Chapterhouse
I'm feeling a bit empty inside right now.

>>18332774
Yeah, it may be absolutely stinky
Book 1 got a few filmable actions scenes, guess you could pad them out to fill an hour 30 minutes, but, yieks,, too much stuff that don't work without explicit explanations.

MC visits some neat locations and talks to people, the past drama, these are movie-friendly
You got actions scenes with the happenings at the past military base, the bomb event, the boat being cut in half. Which would probably be the "exiting parts" of a film
Thing is, the height of the books, was #1 when he looked at the cosmic background radiation and it started pulsing. (How do you portray this to an audience without flat out describing the implications of this in monologue? it would be awful)

And my personal favorite moment. When the Billionaire oil inheritor -> environmental activist -> Trisolarian activist -man. Is having a talk to the aliens at the deck on his boat, and he tells them a parable about the 'boy who cried wolf'.
The Aliens utter failure to grasp the boys actions and intentions. "Uhhh, you guys don't understand the concept of lying??" Real scifi moment, good stuff, loved it. Book absolutely earned that twist.

>talking with friend
>he brings up how everything is a long series now
>think about the book I want to write and how I've already thought about writing short stories in it at some point
>maybe write a short single book that takes place in the same world before launching into a full series
mite b cool especially because single volume xianxia novels don't exist
boy i want to move so i can have peace and privacy and start writing

>>>/lit/sffg

ayyyy lmao

>>18333181
What the actual fuck?

Is this true?

>>18333189
Apparently. It released just a few minutes ago.
Sheer coincidence that my curiosity took me into a fornite thread and ctr+f: Kelsier yielded results.

>>18333181
This isn't the Mistborn game I wanted, bros...
>>18333204
Someone brought it up earlier. They tweeted about it.

>>18332106
>>18333181
but... why

>>18333181
How will sandersoys ever recover from this?

>>18333214
see >>18332647

>>18333181
>Cosmere Castaway set
Cosmere is a brand now? Like capeshit?

Sanderson, I prostrate myself
I KNEEL

>>18332306
Exactly

>>18333181
>imagine defending sando after this

LMAO

>read Chinese book to get away from western globohomo pozzed-shit
>https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/917836.shtml
I CAN'T GET AWAY FROM IT. I FUCKING HAVE TO LEARN CHINESE NOW.

>>18333181
so fucking cringe and gay
in my heart of hearts, i wish bakker monetized his content like this, only with diablo ii style aesthetics.

>>18333247
Eh. Roasties don't come out looking good in those books anyway. Particularly in the third one.

>>18333266
I mean, every major story arc in the book is about a femoid catastrophically fucking up and basically killing literally everyone.

>>18333242
He's friends with the Fortnite director and his ten year old son is into Fortnite.

It's just fucking weird of all the things videogame wise I never thought I'd see this.

>>18333247
They also edited away a tie-in to his previous book; ball lightning
A segment that would have made no sense unless you were familiar with it

someone post a webm of kelsier flossing

>>18333181
they hooked my boy up clean
definitely saving up for vin

>>18333287
There's no guarantee that Vin'll be in.

>>18328969
The Long Patrol by Brian Jacques

>>18333225
He's actually said he wants The Cosmere to be a brand like Marvel or Star Wars, to create something bigger than his books.

>>18333281
Did they? I remember them mentioning Ball Lightning twice in the first book, just a reference as some type of military technology/weapon. Was there something else?

>>18333313
If he wants that he probably should write stuff that's more adaptable. Giant fantasy world where every plant is unique and giant crabs are everywhere and everything is extremely different compared to Earth is gonna take a lot more budget than a studio would be willing to spend on what is effectively a new IP. Especially since he's not willing to do animation even though Mistborn would be perfect for an ATLA style three season show.

>>18333295
I was worried before he came out but seeing the normie reaction and the fact that he's actually a really goddamn cool design I can see him making enough dosh to justify Vin

>>18333181
Literally >>>/a/

We accept your ultimate defeat, sandersoys. There is no recovering from this.

>>18333247
Oh no, no, no, no. They localized it, instead of just machine translating it (like the 1st book). It's why the dialogue is fucking stilted and people are oddly direct and curt, Chinese are actually like that.

But honestly? Describing a woman as angelic, (her appearance, not her character?) if that is the direct translation. Bit awkward in a dry science fiction book.
This is removing something that would be distracting and weird, while not meant to be so. I don't see the issue.

>>18333313
big fucking yikes, what a betrayal

>>18333338
>It's why the dialogue is fucking stilted and people are oddly direct and curt, Chinese are actually like that.
Yeah, they are, and that's a good thing! Additionally it's a Chinese book, don't try to fucking pretend it's a western book, because it's not, it's a Chinese book.

>>18333332
Actually what's his involvement with the Wheel of Time TV adaption? He did finish that.

>>18333363
kelsier is a sliver but he's not a vessel

>>18333322
It's actually surprisingly major, if I recall correctly.
One of the Wallfacers' plan, the guy with the huge massive hydrogen bombs, his plan is entirely rewritten. In the Chinese book, it's about utilizing the fictional technology in Ball Lightning, not huge bombs.
Which I thought sounded retarded at the moment, as it's too heavy on the Fi, in SciFi.

However, when you read the 3rd book, obviously the author has no trouble with magic,., errr, highly speculative science fiction. So it sticks out less.
Hmmm, unfolding the proton and that stuff also bothered me, my brain get mushy when scifi cycles between hard and soft too fast.

>>18333275
> Fortnite director
Is that guy a Mormon too? They really are like their own country huh.

>>18333266
>>18333281
>>18333338
I want to read another Cixin Liu book, which one should I read? Ball Lightning? The Wandering Earth?

>>18333351
I think I read somewhere that he's not involved with the WoT TV series at all. He's writing the Mistborn screenplay anyway.

>>18333373
Apparently. Sanderson always namedrops random famous people he's friends with and it's never like "Oh i met them at an event" it's always like he was roommates with them or mowed their lawn before they were famous.
Fucking mormons man.

>>18333367
Technically he did hold the shard of preservation at one point.

there he go

>>18333415
>immediately gets a spear through the chest

>>18333346
>Yeah, they are, and that's a good thing^
Oh I agree. Reading the fist book felt truly alien. Captured something exotic.
The way the people talked and acted, like they weren't even human the were CHINESE

>>18333406
yes which makes him a sliver
he does not hold any shard at this point and thus is not a vessel

>>18333415
This timeline
the simulation is broken, this is too strange
I'm hyperventilating, I'm freaking out

>>18333415
fucking lost it
this is the gayest shit
i give up on the cosmere
i almost care enough to go rant in that one 17th shard unpopular opinions thread
somebody post that one dude's analytical critique that blew sanderson's asshole wide open

>>>/v/557213041

Since it's so recommended I got the first culture novel. WTF it's like an eighth grader wrote a science fiction book. Why is this so popular?

>>18333440
This is fucking hilarious.

>>18333415
we live in hell

>>18333440
>somebody post that one dude's analytical critique that blew sanderson's asshole wide open
Which one?

“I am the one thing you can never kill. I am Hope.”

What a big fat meme Quantum Thief turned out to be. The tech is practically magic and not even an engaging type of magic. There are basically four main things everything in this book works out of:
>quantum entanglement
>weakly interacting particles
>quantum dots
>various flavors of nanotech going down to "picotech"

I'm sure the author must know precisely why and how all those things are unlikely to work the way he writes them if at all, being a physics PhD, but that doesn't really save his book from being a bit boring

The only major piece of tech that actually sounds well thought-out, not obviously physics-breaking and furthers the plot by its presence is the gevulot system on Mars

If something is zoku tech, it's a magic item +1. If it's Sobornost, it's a +2 magic item. The whole cast suffers from being completely dependent on their magic items and not actually seeming to have the skills the book says they have without them, but the the detective character is the worst one. He investigates by one of 3 methods: whipping out his zoku magnifying glass and having it tell him what the clues in this scene are, looking up things in exomemory and having it tell him what things are (occasionally also looking up what is missing from the exomemory to know when it's been manipulated), or asking other people to tell him how things work and what he should do about them, which reaches its logical conclusion when he gives up in solving the mystery and goes ask his +1 zoku girlfriend to solve it for him

I'm also in chapter 17 out of 21 and I fail to see what makes Le Flambeur any more quantum than anyone or anything else in the setting. I wouldn't call myself "the electricity thief" because I use electronics in my crimes

>>18329369
this is a mix of good and ??

>>18333496
I want to read this

>>18333462
I dropped Use of Weapons pretty fast. He starts off with a good concept, a military AI in a patchwork ship trying not to get murdered. And then we have to put up with a boring military guy instead. I read Player of Games first and liked it.

>>18332323
I definitely notice some cleverness in the style, particularly in the abundant use of foreshadowing. I also think he does a good job of weaving his world building (limited as it may be at times) without making it seem invasive. As far as fantasy goes it's a very good example of prose.

>>18332925
Believe me I want it to be good because of Da Shi alone.

>>18333247
My man.
I was so defeated when I learned that I can't trust anything that wasn't written in the language I understand.
No languages, even the close ones are just A=B. It all has to be "interpreted". It's the reason that word exists.
The greatest swashbuckling adventure in the world was missing pages that I never knew about because there are no criminal/judicial ramifications for using the word "unabridged" incorrectly. About 50 pages were taken out of The 3 Musketeers for sensitive protestant pussies in America and London.

>>18329369
Are these a list of random books you happened to have read?
Did you exclude any books you read, that you didn't like?

>>18333333

How does /lit/ feel about the Minecraft adaptation of Three-Body Problem? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA0TirY29qQ

>>18333734
it always was his own list

>>18333632
It's absolutely criminal, the degree of how Le Flambeur's skills as a thief, how we the reader, is simply informed of them. Rather than his skills being shown.
I think the book only has him do 1 proper heist, utilizing what is literally just a quantum flashbang to stun people.
Well.. that was anticlimactic, everyone just froze up as by magic. EZ PZ
Like, where's the thievery in that.. you just mindhacked them. That's not clever.

If you think the first book has those problems. It's just going to pile on in the sequels.
The books strong points, IMO, are by far the identity/midfuckery parts, and digging into the past. Some fun philosophy references. However I think the author forgot that he needed more than literary references to gentleman thieves, to make his character come off as a thief.
I also loathe the direction female character and Zoko plot took in 3rd book. 2nd book I still liked overall.

>what makes Le Flambeur any more quantum than anyone else
Not his actions, that's for sure. Just his past history.

>>18326647
ever tried philip k dick

I might be a basic bitch but this first book very enjoyable and a breeze of fresh air since I've been binging and reading various fantasy series.
The Gary Stuisms, excessive redundant rapes, and explicit literature references were somewhat annoying but overall bearable.
The world building was alright due to caste system and lore. The Greco-Roman influence can either a positive or a con, if you don't mind archaic systems being referenced or foundational; it wasn't too jarring like the Templar and yggdrasil references from the first few lines of Hyperion, and was done really well.
The prose can be another point of contention as it's very regionally British and feels wonky at times, especially due to the queer slang or vulgar terms
Score: 3/5

Started the second book and it seems to be fairly intriguing so far

>>18326493
blindsight and echopraxia back to back

>>18333440
>>18333496
>>18333667
I think it's this one. Funniest thing is if you look at the quote names below it shows that the poster was a Bakker fan (username was TheOrlionThatComesBefore).

So what do I read now?

I might be a basic bitch but this first book was very enjoyable and a breath of fresh air since I've been binging and reading various fantasy series this year.
The Gary Stuisms, excessive redundant rapes, and explicit literature references were somewhat annoying but overall bearable.
The world building was alright due to caste system and lore. The Greco-Roman influence can either a positive or a con, if you don't mind archaic systems being referenced or foundational for the societies; it wasn't too jarring like how the Templar and yggdrasil references from the first few lines of Hyperion were, and was done really well.
The prose can be another point of contention as it's very regionally British and feels wonky at times, especially due to the queer slang or vulgar terms
Score: 3/5

Started the second book and it seems to be fairly intriguing so far

I don't even know where do I start with Sci-Fi. Have you guys got a better chart?

>>18333855
Why does he have 3000 posts if he hates brando sando

>>18333460
holy shit I lost it at picrel

>>18333868
yuck

I tried to read Dresden Files, but there's something about the writing that seemed kind of juvenile. It felt like I was watching a Marvel movie, with mc *smirking* and throwing quips all around.

>>18333863
Fantasy:
> ASOIAF
> EITHER ASSASSIN'S APPRENTICE/FARSEER TRILOGY OR LIVESHIP TRADER THEN THE REST OF THE REALM OF THE ELDERLINGS
> Dresden
SciFi:
> Brave New World
> A Canticle for Leibowitz

apologies for the quality, it's an xbox capture

>>18333855
Most of those aren't even that unpopular. His prose is dry and borderline nonexistent and his books read like they're YA.

>>18333247
I'm going to be pretty mad if I find out they edited away negative language re: Cheng Xia, screw her. Justice for Wade

>>18333886
I tried to get through the first book but the noir style narration with Harry turned me off. Like he sounds like a horny twelve year old boy

>>18333876
Probably stays on 17s just to talk to people.

>>18333915
Popular for most people but unpopular for a Brando Sando fansite, which is where it was posted.

>>18333910
i dont even know anymore

>>18333910
>I am the one thing you can't kill

>>18333869
bump, any recomendations would be fine too

>>18333882
>losing it at your own post
bruh

When's the Bakker-Fortnite crossover?

>>18333754
So how did the writer get away with shitting on Mao?
Why isn't he disappeared? Or is Cixin Liu's social credit score tanked?
Every time they said "Comrade" it made me glad that communism happened to them. They deserve it.

>>18334023
Never, since no one reads cuckold.

>>18333869
Starting?
Ender's Game.

>>18333930
>>18333886
The first two books are not great. It really wouldn't hurt to skip to the third to see if one of the actually decent books suits you. The first two don't carry all that much plot relevance to begin with

name a more iconic duo

>>18334020
That's not my post you retard. Fucking newfags.

>>18334025
AFAIK
The book skirted what is acceptable by CCP within tolerable limits. Like, author was allowed to get big, it's not like he was flying under radar.
You are, supposedly, allowed to acknowledge that the cultural revolution was a bloody thing.

The criticism he's facing by CCP is much more recent, years after the books was widely read by the Chinese, and even years after the books was translated and got big in West (which took 6 years!)
Revisionism of their previous values judgment? lmao.
Don't expect the CCP to make sense, I guess.

>>18334041
Yeah, starting.
>Ender's Game
Any particular reason?

>>18334023
Never since no one ever read Bakker and those who did aren't the type of people who play fornite

>>18334075
>Any particular reason?
it's a widely beloved classic and the author is a massive homophobe, what's not to like

>>18334074
Being revisionist in their policies is the point, that way no one feels like they're hard censored. CCP probably won't crack down on you for what you say, just maybe eventually, so if you really wanted to you could, but why take the extra risk?

>>18334089
I've only read the first book, but I swear I read somewhere that the MC was gay, is that not the case?

>>18334089
Alright, I'm gonna roll with that then.

>>18334061
All right, I'll read the summaries for the first two books and give the third one a go.

>>18333910
This is why you guys get a general.

>>18334075
Don't take this the wrong way as in = not challenging or for stupid people, but it's easy to grasp. You can visualize everything they're talking about. It's Earth... In the future. They don't need to go into detail of this thing does that because of this that and that. There's no chapter on particle physics. The story is good, you can suspend doubt easily even if you're like "But why kids?"
Again, this isn't meant to be calling it dumb, but I understood it at 15. The story is great, the banter is really great, there's banter btw. The future stuff is fun.

>>18334101
No. If anything he almost fucks his sister.
Book 2 is basically "Ender has the Not Gays" too bad I couldn't enjoy the parts with what's-her-name because he made her Mexican. An old space Mexican. No matter what, I couldn't imagine her as pretty. I just pictured a Mexican, because that's what she was. A Mexican. In fucking space.

>>18334258
>There's no chapter on particle physics
Good to know. Unfortunately I'm not a STEM guy, but I'm beginning to get interest in science fiction for some reason

>>18334281
>I couldn't imagine her as pretty. I just pictured a Mexican
roflmao

Does it get better?I am about 200 pages in but so far it is nothing special.It is ok but nothing as great as people say it is.

>>18334509
You're either in it to watch conmen swindle people and pull off elaborate heists, or you're not.

>>18334515
You could also be in it for the shitty pirate sex or poorly thought out magic of the sequels

>>18334521
I'm so sick of anything to do with boats. I'm in the middle of The Fool's Fate right now, and all this talk about boats is eating page after page, and it adds nothing of value to the story. I wish authors would just gloss over boat trips quickly. They're never fun to read about.

>>18334537
You should've stopped at the first book, we told you.

>>18334551
No, I liked the first two books, and now I'm invested in the third. Overall, the third isn't bad. They're off the boat now, and there's a whole other half book to go. If there isn't another lengthy boat segment later in the book, then it'll be fine. But if I'm forced to endure another one, then I'll have to take off a lot of points.

>>18334537
I like boat books when they're hornblower ripoffs; British naval autists know their shit

>>18334575
I really doubt it.

>>18334575
>hornblower
I'm so happy not to understand this term.

>>18334704
Why? Don't you want to be a part of the fandom?

>>18334704
Missing out my man

>>18333869
I personally started with Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. You've probably already seen the themes done to death elsewhere, most of the tech feels familiar and charmingly outdated (like the flying cars) but just like any other PKD book it's an absolute mindfuck under the surface

>>18334796
I will, but not let me down.

>>18326455
How is the The Wizard Knight? I found it just by google wizard knight because I think the concept of an armored knight who is a wizard amusing. I have not read anything by Gene Wolf. I also haven't read any fantasy ever at all or even once.

>>18334860
The major flaw is that it's written in the first person... and the first person main character is a deeply unsympathetic, immature, bombastic, murderer. The author attempts to make the world seem real by engaging in an episodic, disjointed, supposedly dream-like tone, but it just doesn't work. There is no depth of plot. The characters are two-dimensional at best. A complete waste of money.

>>18334734
Is it any good?

>>18334939
Legitimate classic. Required reading to fully comprehend the flintlock fantasy genre

>>18334950
Then I’ll check it out.

>>18328947
Pathetic.

>>18332085
Post what?

>>18327414
Fine, I'll read this.

>>18334950
>flintlock fantasy genre
Which of these three authors should I read first?
>Django Wexler, Brent Weeks, and Brian McClellan.

>>18335084
Weeks doesn't really write flintlock. Frankly, you should read Guns of the Dawn, but as a second choice The Thousand Names. Wexler fucks up the last book, but so does McClellan, and i think Wexler's ride there is more fun

>>18335093
I see, anything else I should know about.

>>18335103
Temeraire is the most direct Horatio Hornblower one, but it replaces ships with dragons. There's also, technically, Leigh Bardugo's stuff if you want YA and aren't picky about writing ability

>>18335116
>There's also, technically, Leigh Bardugo's stuff if you want YA and aren't picky about writing ability
Yeah, I don’t mind reading YA every now and again. Thanks for the recommendations.

>>18329041
the author of that book should be killed

>>18335124
Why?

>>18335134
Black women are incredibly insecure.

>>18334023
Bakker crossover with a porn fetish site seems more likely considering the themes of his books (cuckoldry and homosexuality) and his more mature readership. Honestly I wouldn't be against a KellhusxCnaïur or KellhusxProyas scenes myself.

>>18333181
Can someone translate this into normal information. How much exactly is 1600 V-bucks or whatever it is?

>>18335176
20$

>>18335176
Bout tree fiddy

>>18335180
Jesus Christ. What is even going on anymore.

>>18335194
Capitalism.

>>18335194
Are you just pretending to be retarded or do you live under a rock? Cosmetics for "free" games have been a thing for ages.

>>18335202
I don't understand these new games, okay.

>>18333270
It's true
>Revealed the position of Earth, ultimately destroying the entire system
>Almost genocided the whole planet 5 seconds after being chosen as Swordholder
>Forced Wade to stop developing the FTL engine, ultimately killing everyone except her and her friend
It's mindboggling.

>>18335234
What’s wrong with women?

>>18335241
Everything?

>>18333181
How low can we go with fantasy?

>>18335254
We can still go lower, we still have fantasy erotica and space erotica left.

>>18329369
Wasn’t there one about self-publish books?

>>18335267
Yeah, here you go.

>>18335270
That’s the one. I recognize a few of them on royal road and some other websites. Shame they’re on Amazon now.

>>18335273
Authors need money too, you know. They don't write for free.

>>18335275
Wouldn’t they earn more on patreon?

New thread
>>18335279

>>18335027
Good choice.