/lit/ - Literature

You’ve never read any of those

>>18303948
Based

>>18303948
Jesus.

>>18303948
Death to fascists. Trans pride world wide. Workers of the world unite.

>>18303953
only the Schuon books I haven't read and like two of Guenon
i've read the rest

btw, check out the book on the upper right on the desk
can you tell what it is :)

>>18303948
>wasting so much fucking money and time on Eastern philosophy BULLSHIT

>>18303961
This but unironically.

>>18303948
>I am traditional
>Not a single book written before 1900

Pick one.

>>18303961
Death to trannies and bourgie degeneracy.

>>18303983
KYS, but unironically

>>18303961
>>18303983
Fascism is already death, so is communism, transpeople already have more rights then the common man, workers have been decimated by the postindustrial world and those who are all left have no interest in wokeness.

>>18303948
As per usual the /lit/izen takes a photo op of his pristine untouched books.

>>18303948
But seriously, ask a traditionalist to define his ideology using only books written before the 1880's....

They cant.

>>18304015
the books aren't that long and can be read in a couple days.
best Guenon book is King of the World
best Evola book is either Metaphysics of War or Doctrine of Awakening

that said, I haven't read Metaphysics of Sex, which I may be Evola's top kino

>>18304017
>Philosophical movement from the early 20th century wasn't outlined before the 20th century.
Got em comradx! It's not like Marxism, that was already defined during the Golfen ag- eh... I mean primitive communism.

>>18303948
kys nazi scum

>300 industrial-strength cum rags
i kneel

>>18303948
Holy based
>>18303961
YWNBAW

>>18303948
The fusion of Islamism and fascism on /lit/ is an interesting development, but hopefully one that stays on this site. Western-Muslim relations are already bad enough as it is.

>>18304099

kys leftist

>>18303964

Canvas paper, very boring tbqh

>>18303948
>awful taste and narrow range
checks out

>>18304093
If you dont have an anwser, just act quirky and pretend your opponent is a marxist,

Seriously. name a traditionalist book written before the 1880's

>>18303948
I'm not seeing Trevor Ravenscroft anywhere. 0/5. Would not bang again.

>>18303964
Siege, and people are reading it.

>>18304187
based
reed seej
>>18304164
PATRICIAN ALERT
don't worry mein neger, I got that shit on kindle

>>18303948
You make me so embarrassed of my creepy alt-right phase. I hope you die in a fire.

>>18304161
>name a traditionalist book written before the 1880's
Somebody hasn't read their Hobbes lol

>>18304203
>dude it's a phase and we all had it :)
Why do people, who are likely internet transvetites or certified neo-communists, pretend they ever read or understood Evola et al.? Honestly more cringeworthy than the people who pretend to be gun owners before suggesting we ban them all.

>>18304161
It's a stupid question. Tradition has been around since the dawn of man. The philosophical school of traditionalism has been around since the early 1900's.

Much like how there was class relationships before there was Marxism. Marxism was expressed in a time of unprecedented discord among classes, when it was most needed. And so it is with traditionalism. I wasn't calling you a Marxist.

If you're looking for different expressions of Tradition, you'll find that Guenon references plenty of writings from the Abrahamic, Indo-Iranian and Hellenic religions and cultures, among many others. Is that what you're looking for?

>>18303948
Oh look It's spiritual tourism the philosophy. I kinda like Guenon, but man you need to branch out.

>>18304228
When people assume you're going through a phase it's because they're giving you the benefit of the doubt. If you're too old for it to be considered a phase, you should just kill yourself instantly.

>>18303948
You don't ever read any of that bud we can tell
>>18303961
Motherfucker i will smash your face in if i ever see you

>>18304324
>When people assume you're going through a phase it's because they're giving you the benefit of the doubt.
No they aren't. At best, it's a condescending jab.

>>18304310
>Tradition has been around since the dawn of man.
>brother, we are the first humans, by what token should we live our life?
>just as our ancestors did
>our what?

>>18304542
Tradition is perennial. Read Guenon.

>>18303948
>>18303964
>chemicals
>schizoanon is making a bomg

>>18304556
nah I'm fine just living the way my gut tells me to

>>18304581
So we're in agreement after all.

>>18304315
>>18304328
>t. seething hylics

>>18303948
I am the king here

>>18303948
Based and pbuh

>>18304164
I didn’t know he wrote other books until you made this post. I’m gonna have to read spear of destiny part 2 and cup of destiny now

>>18304580
Shhhh
By Allah, I shall bomb us back to tradition

>>18303948
lolcow of /lit/

>>18304599
yea and apparently I didn't need to read all those books to arrive at that conclusion

>>18303961
>>18303983
based

>>18303948
very based

>>18303948
Anon I am so impressed I almost want to offer you a blowjob.

>>18303948
>"There is a whole ritual related to anal penetration through the narrow door that opens on the labyrinth (in the man, the intestine). In Tantric Yoga, the center of Ganesha, the guardian of the gates, is in the region of the rectum. The male organ, if it penetrates directly into the zone of the coiled energy (Kundalini), can allow to awaken it brutally and to cause states of illumination and sudden perception of transcendent realities. This is why this act can play an important role in initiation. "This explains a rite of male initiation, widespread among primitive peoples, though rarely reported by Western observers ..., in which adult male insiders have sex in the anus with novices ... The custom of this kind can be very much at the basis of the homosexual eroticism encouraged so strongly by the Greeks in the classical period. This act is one of the accusations made against the Dionysian organizations by their detractors, and against certain initiatory groups in the Christian and Islamic world

>>18304748
Well, anon? What about it? Do you think this means Evola thinks we should all penetrate twinks with our throbbing magical cocks? Is this the reading you give this?

>>18304790
yes

>>18303961
This but unironically

>>18304748
>it was all a front for gay sex
unsurprising

>>18303948
you wasted a lot of money on meme books

>>18303948
Mein Führer, I kneel

>>18304797
Okay anon. Hand over your bussy. Now.

>>18303983
Yikes.

>>18303948
What's your favourite of those OP

>>18304974
The King of the World by Guenon

>>18304987
Schizo Guenon is best Guenon, makes me wonder why there's no Serrano there

>>18305002
>makes me wonder why there's no Serrano there
rest assured it's there but not in the pic

>>18305012
Based

>>18303948
Based
>>18303961
Ywnbarw

>>18305024
have you read any of the 55 club books?

>>18305039
Only the Serrano translations, not their original work but I'm planning to

>>18303948
Post fizeek

>>18303948
Sorry but what are those on the left ?

>>18303995
>>18303998
>>18304113
>>18304120
>>18304228
>>18304328
>>18304931
>>18305036
Have sex incels.

ITT:

>>18305062
Schuon and Upton

>>18305071
>Schuon and Upton
And the others ?
I can only make out Sufism and Muhasomething

>>18303961
41%

>>18305087
They're all Schuon books except for the top (Muhammad, Martin Lings) and the bottom (System of the Antichrist, Upton)
The others are Sufism, Esoterism as Principle and Way, Survey of Metaphysics, Understanding Islam, and Essential Schuon

>>18304681
I want to suck the dick of this Fascist Twink Priapus so much you wouldn’t believe

>>18305062
introduction to islam, system of the antichrist (by Upton), sufism: veil and quintessence, Survey of Metaphysics, Essential Schuon, Esoterism as Principle and Way, Muhammad (by Lings)

>>18303948
Guenon would be proud. I kneel.

>>18304681
lol manlet

>>18303948
I don't see Adolf Hitler, El Ultimo Avatara in there.

>>18305295
bro that shit has been out of print for like two years now. it's coming back very soon though
bit too pricey for me rn

>>18304017
You don't need to write about something that is apparent to the average person of your day. "Traditionalism" as a school of thought pops up because "Tradition" has left the world by that time. Like Nietzsche said, the obsession with morality begins once morality is already in decline.

>>18303953
even more based

>>18305066
Bend over hole.

>>18305002
>>18305002
how about you?

>>18304161
The Imitation of Christ

>>18304161
De Maistre was more or less talking about the same ideas, just with Catholicism instead of hermetic hindu space magic.

>>18305308
>not diy printing and binding your own out of print books from pdfs

>>18303961
Tranny rights and workers unite are mutually exclusive slogans

>>18305467
based
i'm actually saving that book for last.
Hitler -> Nietzsche -> Evola -> Spengler -> Guenon (I'm currently wrapping this up) -> Minor Hindu/Buddhist studies -> Jung -> Minor UFO studies -> Serrano

based or cringe? i'm about 3 years in right now

>>18303961
>ideology claims to be pro working class
>working class guy calls you a tranny faggot
>you try to get his employer to fire him
There's so many trannies like this it's ridiculous.

AAAAaaHhhhhhhhh
GGOTT TO CCCOONNNNNSSSSSOOOOOMM
MYYYYY TRADCATH ULTRATRADISM!!!!!
AAAAHHHH GOOLTTA POST CONSSSSOOOM STAKKK TO GET ANONYMOUS LIKESS
AAAAAAAAHHH!!!!

>>18305467
>>18305308
I am working on translating Serrano's memoirs (for the first time ever) and offering them via PDF and lulu paperback. Might take a while as I'm still on the Walther Darre project, but it's definitely in the works.

>>18305562
im familiar with you Darreanon, you are based. I'll be on the lookout

>>18305557
holy based meme /tv/ brah

>>18305557
Holy fuck retroactive refutation has been retroactively refuted by memeloop initiationism.

>>18305564
Sorry I haven't posted any progress lately. I've been home visiting family and working on my car. I wanted to jump in and say that it wasn't vaporware, though. I know a lot of unfulfilled promises come through this board.

>>18305609
take your time broski
we will be here

>>18303961
Didn't queers get gulag-ed? Or is that just "western propaganda"? Every time someone on the internet waves an outdated red flag, they always seem to come with a tin-foil cap.

>>18305643
No the soviet regime supported all the under privileged people that helped them out. At least until they secured their power, then they gulaged the fuck out of them.

>>18303948
Your mom doesn't pay Internet for You to do this, kid.
Put your step-dad's books back at the shelves.

>>18303948
gay, you will never be a magician

>>18305766
please
i'll sell my soul to the devil!

>>18305139
>Twink
twunk

>>18303948
This used to be cool to filter out normies but nowadays all you're accomplishing is a virtue signal to stormniggers.

>>18305812
Anon... that's the opposite of being a magician...

>>18305832
Nazi's and other adjacent people don't even care about capital T Traditionalism, at most they pay lip service to Evola and can't name any other authors. And even the ones that can name Evola arguably know less about him than the people who do pic related.

>>18305859
>>18305832
OP here
anon is right about nazis and Traditionalism. only 10% of /pol/tards who spew Evola talking points are even familiar with Guenon
also
>muh virtue signalling
nigger, it's called a joke

>>18304734
T. Lit

heathen imperialism is the better translation.

>>18305873
I like the translator though
he has a good blog: https://gornahoor.net/
lots of Guenon, Dante, Evola, De Giorgio, Tomberg
this nigga is truly TradCath and has some great blog posts

>>18304904
Can I call you daddy?

>>18305868
>it's called a joke
Yeah I remember what those are, sometimes

>>18305859
Look how well cited the one on the right is in comparison to the one on the left.

>>18305904
Yes, but only in Latin and only if you sing praise to Jupiter before and after each ravishing.

>>18305933
Funny how few of those sources are actually Evola's own writings.
> Goodrick-Clarke, Nicholas (2003). Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism, and the Politics of Identity
> A History of Fascism, 1914–1945. University of Wisconsin Pres. ISBN 978-0-299-14873-7
> Momigliano, Anna (February 21, 2017). "The Alt-Right's Intellectual Darling Hated Christianity". The Atlantic. Retrieved July 22, 2018.
> Annalisa Merelli. "Steve Bannon’s interest in a thinker who inspired fascism exposes the misogyny of the alt-right". Quartz. February 22, 2017
Not sensing any agenda here.

>>18305974

GO BADGERS!

>>18305974
I sense the agenda, I agree with the agenda and I appreciate that they executed the antifascist agenda with good research.

>>18305956
O! Irrumabo, tata mihi olor!

>>18303948
I have some notes on The System of Antichrist, we can discuss it sometime.

>>18305859
I now recall all my teachers telling me that Wikipedia was an unreliable source. Then, perhaps not, but it seems they had some manner of clairvoyance. Wisdom font clownization. Unprocessed truth extirpation.

>>18306072
what do you think of Upton?
I love how he calls out Dugin all the time

>>18306098
It's always been open source abd therefore unreliable so they were right but it's not exactly some enlightening revelation.

>>18306117
It is considerably worse now that the editors are injecting their left-leaning political opinions into every article.

>>18306109
I like him overall , he is sincere. He sometimes has a little bit of a blind spot with doctrinal stuff though

>>18306133
as in is too doctrinal or other way?

he had an interesting path to Traditionalism/Guenon. typical cali hippie in the 60s or something right?

>>18305974
>Goodrick-Clarke
This is an actual historian and specialist in the field. You should read him. The other two appear to be glorified bloggers writing post-2016 election.

whats a comprehensive
does anyone have a comprehensive image macro of communist and fascist literature. i need a change from the greeks and russians

>>18303961
I'm trans and I like guenon and a lot of the books in the op pic desu.
Just an interesting topic to read about.

>>18303948
*shoots back of the head*

>>18303961
I did a haha

>>18306490
Butterfly, you'll never be as pretty as her. Even in your prime, you were less than her right shoulder and now, everyday, you age more and more ugly.

>>18306507
*shoots in chest*

>>18306517
Sorry extremist,but Anne is a CONFEDERATE

>>18304190
what is it?

>>18306538

>>18306546

>>18303948
Holy based.

>>18306144
I mean his knowledge or perhaps recall of doctrine, particularly Islamic doctrine, is sometimes sketchy.

Yeah he used to be a beatnik back in the day, he was late to the scene though because he's a little bit younger.

>>18306606
I’m pretty sure he doesn’t know Arabic either. Or at least he can’t speak it.
I may be wrong, but I sort of recall him saying that in a video on YouTube.
Still based though

>>18305308
You can still get the other translation, look up Caribbean Thule, they also have Sun & Steel

>>18305933
citations =/= truth
You should know this if you've been through academia

>>18304203
>my creepy alt-right phase
for bunkertrannies, this means that one JBP video they watched at the suggestion of a friend.

>>18304017
The Upanishads

>>18304017
Traditionalist is not the same as traditionalist

>>18307638
All you're saying is that traditionalists are retards.

>>18303994
guenonfag BTFO

>>18307662
No, al you're saying is that you're a retard. The Traditionalist movement is a relatively recent phenomenon. Sure you have the Vedas etc but those are not explicitly Traditionalist works.
You do know what Traditionalism means don't you?

>>18307679
Traditionalism is a term used by scholars, Guenon never described himself as such and he even wrote a chapter in his Reign of Quantity, "Tradition and Traditionalism", where he rejected the term "traditionalism"(probably used by tradcaths from his day who disliked him) in favour of "tradition".

>>18303948
Guenon hated Evola and fascism and had interracial children.

>>18307710
Sure and Schuon called it perennialism, a term which Guenon also disliked, although they basically meant the same thing.
The differnece is between Tradition in the metaphysical sense and tradition as in "everything old is good".
As to the original point, a Traditionalist could use books from prior to 1880 but those wouldn't be Traditionalist books exclusively. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

>>18303948
mad that you would do that when i exist.
pic not rel because there isn't one.

>>18307724
I find all of this terms like "traditionalism", "perennialism", etc. problematic because they are first of all associated with this authors from the 20th century like Guenon and Schuon and it is meant to designate a school of thought like all the philosophical ones which this same authors disliked. It makes it sound like an opinion among opinions or philosophy among philosophies. Schuon seems to be the first one who opened the way of the profane scholars to Guenon's views, with his terms such as "religio perennis" and so forth. Not to mention that this idea of a "traditionalist" school of thought compromises the ideas of Guenon because of his associations with worse authors such as Evola or even Schuon.

>>18307836
excuse my ESL writing buy I am in hurry

>>18303961
If you put it like this i guess i rather be fascist then

>>18304207
>Somebody hasn't read their Hobbes lol

You are now either a Humanist or a Protestant Christian, not a traditionalist.

>>18304310
>If you're looking for different expressions of Tradition, you'll find that Guenon references plenty of writings from the Abrahamic, Indo-Iranian and Hellenic religions and cultures, among many others. Is that what you're looking for?

If that where the case, why bother with all that modern stuff, why not just read the Greeks or the Bible. The fact that you people dont, clues me into a simple fact that these works are just being used to justify a modern ideology.

>>18305309
>because "Tradition" has left the world by that time.
Then why all these modern books and not older books?

>>18305375
>The Imitation of Christ

Catholic Christian

>>18305406
>De Maistre was more or less talking about the same ideas, just with Catholicism instead of hermetic hindu space magic.
Thats still just Catholicism and not Traditionalism (in the style of Guenon)

>>18307724
>As to the original point, a Traditionalist could use books from prior to 1880 but those wouldn't be Traditionalist books exclusively. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.
Wow, he just admits it, yes mate, only your modern books are traditional, the books going back thousands of years and who have been read for the same amount of time are not.

>>18303961
this but unironically.

>>18303948
Nice clean piss bottles, anon.

>>18307986
trans are ills, just with permission of society to be degenerate ones, just like the many

>>18305974
Wikipedia discourages referencing too many primary sources.
Still, a lot of the sources (and now it's suddenly okay by mere virtue of being "sources"...) are shit tho.

>>18303948
Is that GURPS Magic on the right?

>>18307957
>Wow, he just admits it, yes mate, only your modern books are traditional, the books going back thousands of years and who have been read for the same amount of time are not.
They are traditional, not Traditionalist, you absolute illiterate retard

>>18303948
It looks like a man falling over

>>18303948
>no pissbottles

>>18308099
He's not a commie

>>18308079
>They are traditional, not Traditionalist, you absolute illiterate retard
So you admit its not the same thing.

I mean if the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason is traditional (Hobbes, Monarchy) and Traditionalism is anti-enlightenment and in fact anti-greek, anti-christian, then how can you even compare these two.

>>18308113
>So you admit its not the same thing.
Of course, Guenon and Evola and others all made this distinction. This is not some kind of gotcha.
>I mean if the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason is traditional (Hobbes, Monarchy) and Traditionalism is anti-enlightenment and in fact anti-greek, anti-christian, then how can you even compare these two.
The Enlightenment is not traditional. It could only be considered traditional in a relative sense to our current age. But apart from that no, it is modern.
Traditionalism is anti-enlightenment but not anti-greek or anti-christian, I'm not sure where you got these strange ideas from. The Traditionalists posit that the Enlightenment thinkers misinterpreted the classical sources completely.
I don't think you actually know what you're talking about.

>>18308113
>So you admit its not the same thing.
I misread your original post, but Guenon and Evola and others all made this distinction between traditional and Traditional. With traditional is meant the Vedas, Bible, etc. This is not some kind of gotcha.
>I mean if the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason is traditional (Hobbes, Monarchy) and Traditionalism is anti-enlightenment and in fact anti-greek, anti-christian, then how can you even compare these two.
The Enlightenment is not traditional. It could only be considered traditional in a relative sense to our current age. But apart from that no, it is modern.
Traditionalism is anti-enlightenment but not anti-greek or anti-christian, I'm not sure where you got these strange ideas from. The Traditionalists posit that the Enlightenment thinkers misinterpreted the classical sources completely.
I don't think you actually know what you're talking about.

>>18308172
>I misread your original post, but Guenon and Evola and others all made this distinction between traditional and Traditional. With traditional is meant the Vedas, Bible, etc. This is not some kind of gotcha.
It is, so these guys admit they are basically modernist inventing something new, with no intention to study the past.

>>18308172
>Traditionalism is anti-enlightenment but not anti-greek or anti-christian,
So a movement that aimed to go back to the Greeks, with an undercurrent of Christian and Hermetic thinking, can be seperated from those two earlier currents and rejected.

Because they "misrepresent" these traditions, even though all these gentlemen would be better in Greek and Latin and the Churchfathers then all the "traditionalist" authors.

Really traditionalism the Ancients (Greeks, Romans, Churchfathers, Germanic, Celtic, Medieval), this all comes together in the Enlightenment and post-enlightenment.

You are welcome.

>>18303948
God, when will the nazi larp on this site die and give way to something better. I don't know who it impresses anymore.

>>18303948
Congrats, you can spend money. Now demonstrate that you understand anything in these books.

>>18303961
>Trannies
>workers

>>18303948
Transcendentally based

>>18308209
It’s not Nazi larp. Evola and Guenon were critical of Nazism (from the right). The swastika is a sacred symbol.

>>18304119
really not a recent thing. Islam has the most militant scripture of the Abrahamic religions, and many traditionalists, eg Guenon, converted to Sufism. I think one of the big guys in O9A was into Islam too, but probably not in a genuine sense.

>>18304119
Mein Kamph is a best seller intend Arabic world, not under zio-globo-homo tyranny and censorship.

>>18308196
>It is, so these guys admit they are basically modernist inventing something new, with no intention to study the past.
I'm sorry have you ever read Guenon, Evola, etc? It doesn't seem like it. They are inherently anti-modern and do study all of the ancient texts.
You would understand how silly your argument was if you knew what you were talking about. It's the saddest of attemtped gotchas.
>So a movement that aimed to go back to the Greeks, with an undercurrent of Christian and Hermetic thinking, can be seperated from those two earlier currents and rejected.
Yes, if they did it in the wrong way, focusing on rationalism, which is what the Traditionalists assert.
>Because they "misrepresent" these traditions, even though all these gentlemen would be better in Greek and Latin and the Churchfathers then all the "traditionalist" authors.
You obviously haven't read the Traditionalists. Most are very proficient in Greek and Latin, and very familiar with the church fathers. You can accuse the Traditionalists of many things, but not of being poorly read. Try harder next time.
>Really traditionalism the Ancients (Greeks, Romans, Churchfathers, Germanic, Celtic, Medieval), this all comes together in the Enlightenment and post-enlightenment.
That's your opinion, the Traditionalists disagree and they make a strong case. The Enlightenment focused solely on rationalism while ignoring the metaphysical aspects.
>You are welcome.
Fuck off, faggot. At least be familiar with what you attempt to criticize. This is reddit atheist tier gotchas.

Anyone who is against the Jew is a friend of mine. If Iran nukes Israel tomorrow I would be like: Allahu Akbar!

>>18308390
How do you cope with the reality that that political ideology, alongside that of a tanky or other such freakshow politics, is just another elaborate way of declaring oneself a loser?

The reward is in the struggle

>>18308525
>The reward is in the struggle

You forgot the most important book OP

>>18308525
Christcuck cope

>>18307957
Define what you believe Traditionalism and Tradition are supposed to be according to Traditionalist authors.

>>18305557
OH MY GOD BROS, I-IS THAT CHLOË MORETZ? AAAAAAAARGH I'M GONNA COOOOOOOOM aaaaaurrrurguuuuuugh

>>18308636
Isn’t he a theosophist though?

>>18308213
pbuh

>>18308636
we're gonna circle back to christianity later

>>18308834
He died a Roman Catholic

>>18308636
I hate this book

>>18308873
Ok Nimrod

>>18303994
kek
Extremely gay thread.

>>18303948
>be me
>makes a swastika out of books
>doesn't include Mein Kampf
weak power levels

>>18309428
Traditionalist Hitlerism
sounds based

>>18303948
LoL that's not even a swatika
Fuck nazi poser

>>18303953
that only makes his claim to the kingship of this place even more legitament.

>>18309503
its the wrong way round!!!

>>18309514
kek

>>18309515
Nope it's 45 degrees off, that's a sunwheele or a Japanese word
Can't even get nazi symbolismen right baka it's 2021

>>18309538
>LoL that's not even a swatika
>it's 45 degrees off,
Till your head 45 degrees

>>18303948
>>18303961
do people unironically fall for obvious meme posts and get mad?

>>18309613
This is autist central, of course

>>18303948
You're just attention whore.

>>18308402
>They are inherently anti-modern and do study all of the ancient texts.
No, nontraditionalist will read the Greeks or Churchfathers, traditionalists only read the popular modern writers.

>Yes, if they did it in the wrong way, focusing on rationalism, which is what the Traditionalists assert
Yeah, no, no rationalism in aristotle, ancient people where all a bunch of lunatics into voodoo.

>Most are very proficient in Greek and Latin, and very familiar with the church fathers.
I judge them by their followers, who almost never read the original texts, but only the modern writers.

>The Enlightenment focused solely on rationalism while ignoring the metaphysical aspects.
This isnt even true, since a lot of occultism, mysticism and idealism comes from the enlightenment. Not to mention romanticism, which followed it.

>>18308744
>Define what you believe Traditionalism and Tradition are supposed to be according to Traditionalist authors.
They claim they are spreading some true perenial tradition thats at the base of all traditions, they are really just leftwing bohemians.

>>18303961
What do you think happens to fags in communist countries, anon?

>>18309859
You can't even spell worrds properly

>>18309852
So you've never read any of the Traditionalists? It shows.
>No, nontraditionalist will read the Greeks or Churchfathers, traditionalists only read the popular modern writers.
Most people don't read anything. If we go by the faggots here then most don't read the Greeks or church fathers either. The Traditionalists themselves (Guenon etc) did read them.
>Yeah, no, no rationalism in aristotle, ancient people where all a bunch of lunatics into voodoo.
Are you retarded? I said they focused on the rationalism and disregarded the metaphysics, which is exactly what happened. Ancient peoples were not rational atheists, they were highly religious (although religious is not the appropriate word). If you don't understand that you've never understoof their writings.
>I judge them by their followers, who almost never read the original texts, but only the modern writers.
Just like how most christians never read the bible. It's inherent to our current condition. There's more than enough Traditionalists that do read the original texts.
>This isnt even true, since a lot of occultism, mysticism and idealism comes from the enlightenment. Not to mention romanticism, which followed it.
Which are degenerated forms of metaphysics mostly. Which you would have known if you'd read the Traditionalists.
Now fuck off.

>>18303948
Should I buy and read Dracula & Frankenstein? Should I even buy books?

>>18310364
Dracula is pretty good, Frankenstein is ok but not quite to my personal taste. They're both considered standards of the genre so I would say if you're a student of literature or even vaguely interested in gothic yes read them.

>>18310364
>Should I even buy books?
Join the library or dwnld them especially if the author is dead.

>>18303948
What a cringe little faggot hahaha

>>18303953
exactly, he said it himself, king of /lit/

>>18303948
based

>>18308834
Isn't perennialism pretty much theosophist in nature? All traditions have truth in them, and truth is god or divine, which is pretty much theosophy.

>>18310540
Perennialism is the antitheses of the Theosophist position.

>>18310540
>aren't the anti-theosophists theosophists?
No,they explain pretty well why they aren't theosophists

>>18304542
Holy shit you have absolutely no understanding of what Traditionalism is. Why are you even arguing about it? It's one thing to disagree with a system of ideas, it's another to be completely unfamiliar and still whining and making up arguments that don't address it in the slightest. Have you even read a couple wikipedia articles? I'm not a Traditionalist but Jesus this is embarrassing and weird for you.

>>18304734
What are you reading right now?

>>18303961

>>18310576
Hello Jacku

>>18310749
Catch-22

>>18303948
based

bump

I’m pretty sure either R.C Waldun or F. Gardner is the king of /lit/.

>>18311357
But neither of those are OP or me.

>>18311357
They are both the kings. They are married and share the literary kingdom together.

>>18303961
>Death to fascists. Trans pride world wide. Workers of the world unite

You cringe fucker, you will never be a woman.ans you've never worked a day in your life.

>>18303948
Someone as been seeing my list....
https://ghostbin.co/paste/v23pch

>>18311609
haha baited

>>18303948
Absolutely based...

I kneel

>>18312114
Based

>>18303948
You didnt have to buy all these books

>>18303948
Piece of shit. Dirt king

>>18313007
>Piece of shit. Dirt king

>>18303948
Innumerable Al Bassadi brothers in this thread.
Very glad I was on time.

Enjoy the thread theme and praise to the most high:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQOvpLUoYxw&ab_channel=%CE%93%CE%B5%CE%B8%CF%83%CE%B7%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AE

>>18303961

>>18303948
A noticeable lack of The Bible.

Based tho

>>18313919
Holy based
Making hylics seethe more than ever
>>18313948
look closer amigo

>>18312118
loL! biated for that exact response!

>>18313950
Found the Bible, but not the Quran

>>18313981
there is only so much basedness one can fit in a pic

>>18303961
*ahem*
>41%

>>18305066
And give you attention?
Go be productive to society, you meat husk

>>18313950
Ah, I suppose I've been refuted.
Thank you brother

>>18314031
any time, brother

>>18305997
You shouldn't, because that stick swings both ways

>>18314042
it's a major red flag when there are multiple (((citations))) in the introductory paragraph

>>18314041
How be thine being, Brother?

>>18314046
The Appeal to Authority. IMO, the worst hold over from our primordial ancestors, and is why I'm wary of certain forms of government and fucking hate normies.
The lack of critical thinking and "follow the leader" mindset has gotten humans in trouble so many times, and is affecting us even today.

>>18314053
I've been thinking about our great master lately (pbuh). I plan on going on a 6 hour hike tomorrow morning for further contemplation.
How about yourself, oh based brother?

>>18304006
ok

>>18314064
There is no amount of critical thinking that can ever establish a principle of authority. There is always a motive, a subjective inclination, that steps in to allow "critical thinking" to become effective. The appeal to authority was, in fact, our greatest holdover from antiquity, because might is all that makes right, and nothing else. Without an ultimate, divine authority, there simply is no legitimate authority.

So in this thread, I have learned absolutely nothing about traditionalism, and all I have to pull is a mildly entertaining flame war involving a bunker tranny.
6/10. Am disappointed

>>18314086
go to the shankara thread
>>18305935

>>18303948
It’s all so tiresome.

>>18314082
This is sadly true. Might is right, and is the greatest divide between those who rule and those who die trying to rule.
I agree with the divine authority bit. Our monkey brains are far to chaotic and self destructive in order to establish a long standing authority, which benefits ourselves outside of immediate short term gratification.

>>18314095
Y'know, somehow I'm more confused reading that thread

>>18314131
It's not sad at all. It's as it should be. Sadness is caused by a limited perspective.

>>18314225
I understand it, and embrace it in my life and politics.
Just... the idealist in me wishes where we can engage each other at a higher level of civilization, where we are go for the sake of being good, rather then under fear of punishment. That is serve millennia and a couple of genocides away though : /

>>18303948
Dangerously based

>>18314277
cringe pilled

based thread

>>18307957
Desu I'm not catholic although I have come to appreciate the catholic tradition since I started getting into literature.
Why should we not consider Catholicsm traditional? Isn't the reformation coupled with Europe's coming into Modernity?

>>18305859
National Socialism isn't traditionalist anyway. It's a direct outgrowth if the Industrial Revolution

>>18306426
Post address so I can choke you with a steel cable btw

>>18308636
>Christian Heremticism
You're a sinner anon.

>>18314302
Terrible thread. I want to kick guenonfag in the head.

>>18314082
Cringe

>>18314520
I accept your admission of defeat.

>>18314340
I don't consider Vatican II to be genuinely Catholic or Traditional (it's basically fully rotten on the inside with the mere calcified shell remaining), but the Catholic Church prior to that reform could be considered Traditional (albeit in the process of decay). Guenon spoke about it being one of the last vestiges open to modern Westerners (which was in his time of course, before Vatican II - he believed there were still esoteric currents within which could allow for proper initiation). Evola himself, despite his disdain for Christianity in general, even admitted that the Catholic Church could be a point of return, so long as it's not a sentimental, emotional flight from life, and instead a strong, virile embrace with a will to actively restore its power.

>>18303961
>trannies
>working
lol

>>18303961
Cringe if unironically. Cringe if ironically.

>>18303948
King.

>>18314086
Why are tankies pro transhumanism??

>>18303948
Is Guenon or Evola even worth reading if I'm not a fascist incel? They seem intriguing but I'm worried it's just going to be some trad-cuck gibberish.

>>18315455
Neither were fascists nor incels so yeah why not
>I'm worried it's just going to be some trad-cuck gibberish.
Define trad-cuck gibberish

>>18315533
>Define trad-cuck gibberish
Written by people I don't like

>>18303961
this but unironically

>>18315533
Just some shit appealing to /pol/cel thought, as I've seen them recommending Evola. I generally don't agree with traditionalism, but I'm just interested in seeing their (Evola's and Guenon's that is) view-point, what are some of their books I should start with?

>>18315609
/pol/ doesn't read Evola and if they did they'd find out he would spit on them.
>I generally don't agree with traditionalism
I asked because I want to know what you think traditionalism is. Because Evola/Guenon's Traditionalism/perennialism is not the same as "let's go back to the 50s" which people seem to think, far from it. It's a philosophy that says that there is a timeless truth that every religion/tradition expresses in its own particular way.
For Evola, start with Metaphysics of War.
For Guenon, start with Crisis of the Modern World, or Introduction to Study of Hindu Doctrines.

>>18315626
Thanks, definitely will check them out! I don't know, it's just that the posters praising Evola are very often just... let's say "interesting" people.

>>18315660
No worries. I mean there's a lot of edgy people into them but the most annoying ones haven't read them, just think it sounds cool. And remember this is autist central here.
As for Evola, the book I recommended is one of his most pol-like but it's a decent short introduction. If you want the meatier esoteric stuff check out Revolt Against the Modern World instead but it's not an easy read.

>>18312118
Fuck, you think I'd learn

>>18315455
read Guenon's wikipedia page and come back after, stop making this assumptions that they are for fascists.

>>18315850
>wikipedia
I mean if you read Evola's wikipedia you get the idea he's a nazi sex wizard or something like that.

I started reading the same kinds of books what the hell has it got to do with Naziism? Is it because LARPers latch onto the idea of cool esoteric Hindu shit? Maybe I can understand Evola but not Guenon (pbuh) whatsoever.
I started reading because I did DMT and felt I was naturally led here from the Upanishads & Bhagavad-Gita - Plato - Plotinus and now Guenon

>>18315965
>Upanishads & Bhagavad-Gita - Plato - Plotinus and now Guenon
I’m so glad more people are reading these kinds of books.

>>18315850
I'm not making an assumption that they're fascist, I'm just pointing out that fascists tend to have a liking for them.

>>18304748
If you have any questions about Evola or traditionalism this quote will answer it, no matter what political position you are.

>>18303948
dangerously based

>>18315965
Those things lead better to Deleuze and Guattari tbqh

>>18316102
How??

>>18304681
I entered this thread to post this lmao

>>18316111
A thousand plateaus is very wild: the whole book is a tangent - so you will be prepared for a hard read. But unlike some pomos, deleuze's project in particular is an extension of the great metaphysical tradition of Spinoza, Leibniz, Hegel, Plotinus, Whitehead and Plato: His goal, like Spinoza and Whitehead is to make a totally immanent ontology. Deleuze wrote difference and repetition which is his main solo work. Together with Guattari, who is a great thinker in his own right, they wrote anti oedipus and a thousand plateaus - a thousand plateaus is really a trip that I would advise.

Read the introduction and then the plateau in bodies without organs - that's my favorite.

>>18316156
I've read some excerpts in the past and they were mostly verbose and obscurantist, very unpleasant to read.
> the great metaphysical tradition of Spinoza, Leibniz, Hegel, Plotinus, Whitehead and Plato
I'm sorry but how do those fit in the same metaphysical tradition?

OP: cringe but better than that tranny

pls don't turn lit into /pol

yes I hate jews and niggers and women's suffrage and fuck nonwhites but fuck off with that shit tier 'literature'

>>18316601
>fuck off with that shit tier 'literature'
Guenon (pbuh) was the greatest man of the 20th century. Reading him will be extremely fruitful anon.

>>18316601
>women's suffrage
>fuck nonwhites
>shit tier 'literature'
Are you a burger ?

>>18316659
I’m Jewish

>>18316715
kek

>>18303948
Since this thread reached 300 replies, you are the King of /lit/
Congrats, King

>>18303948
I recognize OP as the King and Guenonfag as his high priest

>>18316785
Pic related

>>18303948
based, trad chads win again
>>18303961
kys

>>18316094
I'm a fascist and I do enjoy reading about their ways of perceiving the world, but I would never think them related to my own politics. I agree with them on the general subject of spiritualism/mysticism > materialism, but otherwise there's a lot to criticize.

>>18303948
I hate what guenonfag did with Guenon on this site. Making him popular(something which he didn't want in the first place) through memes and shitposting is the most anti-guenonian thing ever. Very sad that such a great author has such a terrible fan base.

>>18316815
Have the newest edition

>>18316940
You’ve never read Guenon. Guenon would wholeheartedly approve

>>18309613
Oh no they think it's all real if the person posting it seemingly disagrees with them

>>18315940
>nazi sex wizard
Two of those words are accurate

>>18317112
Not that anon, but I have the same doubts. Why would he approve this ?

>>18315965
>Is it because LARPers latch onto the idea of cool esoteric Hindu shit?
A combination of nazi's name dropping Evola without actually knowing anything about him and people on the opposite side of the modern political spectrum making him into a boogeyman.

>>18317137
He literally says it’s your duty to teach and share wisdom if you are enlightened. Guenonfag has unironically raised the quality of /lit/ by tenfold through the production and distribution of spicy memes.

>>18316940
In the Satya Yuga perhaps. But in the Kali Yuga the only effective ways are to tap into the lower forces and channel them for good.

>>18317167
Guenon said that he wrote his books for an intellectual elite. His work isn't for everyone. As long as you like his books, you should respect his wishes.

>>18317273
/lit/ is unironically the intellectual elite tho (for millennials and zoomers)

>>18317164
>>18317308
Interesting, but are spicy memes a good thing ?

>>18316481
> the great metaphysical tradition of Spinoza, Leibniz, Hegel, Plotinus, Whitehead and Plato
Of engaging with each other critically in a philosophical-historical dialogue, using some of each other and disregarding other things.
>I've read some excerpts in the past and they were mostly verbose and obscurantist, very unpleasant to read.
Maybe Deleuze's more academic solowork difference and repetition, logic of sense. his Nietzsche book and pure immanence are more your cup of tea.
But the over the top style of D&G is more out of playfulness than "we are so much smarter than anyone else", I really like it but I also like experimental literature.

>>18303961
You don't speak for the working class you stupid pink haired shit.

>>18317362
It is beyond good and bad
It is SPICY

>>18317383
lmao you got me

>>18317376
>spoiler: the working class in not just white coal workers
>a great part of american working class are hispanic and a large amount of those are "illegals" as you probably call them.

>>18317401
Refugees are a pain in the ass for actual workers. Many of them don't work and even those who work destroy the salaries of the native workers, because they accept to work on a much lower wage. Communists 100 years ago in Italy used to be against any types of refugees.