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Is there any book that portrays the dystopia that is this country? This "anti-society" where human life is worthless, this widespread "espirito de porco", this desire to do evil to others even when this harms everyone, including those who did it, this difficulty to understand the meaning and existence of the public good, this civil resistance to everything that seems related to the existence of a society of a community, or the misery and decadence is so "universal" that brazilians cant even portray the reality around them anymore? If not, whats explain the lack of any kind of fiction that portray the contemporary reality of this fucking hellhole?

>> No.18297013

>>18296995
What the hell is going on over there? You people are always complaining. Stop watching the news and go outside

>> No.18297081

>>18297013
Self hatred is part of our culture at this point.

>> No.18297087

>>18297013
>What the hell is going on over there?
The normal things, people dont giving a shit about others peoples life or death, school "shooters" (they caught 3 in a month and one actualy succeed) inflation, a civil war in Rio de janeiro and so on, basically a worst and poor version of the us.
>Stop watching the news and go outside
Last time i did there was a dead hobo and other one shivering in a puddle of vomit, not even the police give a fuck, a girl looking at a smartphone stumbled upon the dead one and almost fell, there alot more of them too.

>> No.18297098

and people want the US to be turned into Brazil...

>> No.18297100

>>18296995
For some reason this makes me think of catch-22. Probably not the book that hits the spot in this case though.

>> No.18297102

There's nothing much going on in Brazil, to be honest. It's just stuck in the middle income trap and without a significant advance in the education and financial system it will remain so for a few decades unless a ruling power showers it with money (much like what the US did to Japan/South Korea).

>> No.18297146

>>18297013
if i go outside there's a good chance i will be mugged lmao

>> No.18297167

>>18297102
Japan and South Korea were never like Brazil, even if they were as poor at times. It's not a matter of economics.

>> No.18297169

>>18296995

Bro, that is the Latin American reality as a whole.

>> No.18297173

>>18296995
https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2021/05/the-brazilianization-of-the-world/

>> No.18297179

>>18296995
>This "anti-society" where human life is worthless, this widespread "espirito de porco", this desire to do evil to others even when this harms everyone, including those who did it, this difficulty to understand the meaning and existence of the public good, this civil resistance to everything that seems related to the existence of a society of a community
this isn't unique to brazil. just stop being a bitch

>> No.18297181

>>18297167

Lack of population homogeneity, in part.

>> No.18297186

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasyl

>> No.18297188

>>18297087
So, Russia with better climate. Also warm ocean and tropical fruits.

>> No.18297191

>>18296995
I don't know. Maybe it's the heat.

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Não Verás País Nenhum - Ignácio de Loyola Brandão

>> No.18297199

>>18297181
japan literally has a holdover caste society. i think brazil is just harder to economically develop considering the huge expanse of jungle and there's no real incentive for foreign investors atm

>> No.18297235

>>18297098
And Brazil wants to become the US.

>> No.18297247

>>18297199
>considering the huge expanse of jungle
This is pretty insignificant, most of the country is not covered in forests or any such thing. The rainforest is confined to the North, and it is a nightmare to deal with, but it's mostly a regional thing. The problem with Brazil is that even if you look at the richest cities, they're basically completely fucked and nearly inhospitable. It doesn't matter that São Paulo is a gigacity with 15kk+ people living in it and the financial center of the country and of South America. It's still a hellhole.

>> No.18297249

>>18297081
i dont hate brazilian culture, not all of them at least, it just the society that is fucked up.

>>18297194
>muh environment
Doesn't seem like what i looking for.

>> No.18297257

De vez em quando eu me pergunto porque nasci nesse inferno, tantos países e o demiurgo se preocupou tanto em me foder assim...

Ódio ao conhecimento, incentivo ao crime, amor ao que é insignificante, falta de ideais

Como pode ter fracassado tanto ? É tão ruim que só pode ser explicado por uma dinâmica Deus/diabo e aqui escolheram o pape satan

>> No.18297272

>>18297257
Pelo jeito que você escreve, presumo que seja um retardado mental e contribua para a degradação do país como um todo. Sei lá, olha quase qualquer outro país do mundo sem ser os nórdicos e o pessimismo é o mesmo.

>> No.18297275

>>18297257

I insist, this is a continental disease.

>> No.18297276 [DELETED] 

>>18296995
The Portuguese fucked up the day they brought niggers into the Americas. And no, Brazil will never be fixed. Same shit in the US.

>> No.18297321

>>18297257
What you feel is basically what everyone who's been colonized feels. You should rage against whitey, not against your countrymen.

>> No.18297339

>>18297321

Thoughtless take, unless he's a "pure" negro, isn't part of his blood from conquerors and colonizers as well?

>> No.18297367

>>18297339
You really think blacks are native americans? What the fuck?

>> No.18297471

>>18297367

Never said that but both, negros and natives, were colonized and enslaved in the Americas (and mostly mixed with them in the process). So there isn't an "evil whitey" out there to fight in Latin America. That's nonsense.

>> No.18297520

>>18297102
>There's nothing much going on in Brazil,
Its not normal to have large areas controlled by drug dealers in a constant state of civil war.
Its not normal to have more than 60k homicides in a year.
Its not normal to have nurses acting like they are vacinnating people but instead there are stealing doses to sell or to vaccinated their own family.
Widespread corruption is not normal.
Its not normal to government to just ignore people living in shacks for fucking decades.
Its not normal dont have sidewalk because people made the entrance to their garage in away that forces people to walk in the streets among the cars.
You just saying this because you are used to it.

>> No.18297522

>>18296995
In Spanish America gritty, socially compromised, realist literature has seen a resurgence (if it ever went away). There's probably many similar texts in Brasilian contemporary fiction, but you probably won't get many good answers here.

>> No.18297550

>>18297173
Thats actually explains a lot, thanks.

>>18297522
>their In Spanish America gritty, socially compromised, realist literature has seen a resurgence (if it ever went away)
Any recommendations?
>but you probably won't get many good answers here.
I tried to ask in brazilian imageboards, but with no success.

>> No.18297552

>>18296995
The Portuguese fucked up the day they brought blacks into the Americas. And no, Brazil will never be fixed. Same goes for the US.

>> No.18297588

>>18297173
>no discussion of race in the entire piece
Into the trash it goes

>>18297552
Nailed it. It's tragic how much of the new world will be forever marred by slavery and by the greed of European commercial empires.

>> No.18297591 [DELETED] 

Murican propaganda over decades
Hate against communism

It's like that it was builded to fuck to other countries to build themselves, how can a country so fucked as it is brazil - with a population that in some places is eating cardboard soup with cactus - to build itself from the ground without a good education?

Tell me you bunch of fuckers from there (so am I) how can a fucker that literally lived like an animal for his whole life help himself if even you with all the education you received do that? Imagine being more ignorant than are you now? How would you fare?

The problem of Brazil is and always be education as long the caste of politicians and rich people pretend the problem is other.

>>18296995
The name of the book is Clockwork Orange, btw.

>> No.18297606

>>18296995
Murican propaganda over decades
Hate against communism

It's like that it was builded to fuck to other countries to build themselves, how can a country so fucked as it is brazil - with a population that in some places is eating cardboard soup with cactus - to build itself from the ground without a good education?

Tell me you bunch of fuckers from there (so am I) how can a poor that literally lived like an animal for his whole life help himself, if even you with all the education you received can't even do that effectively? Imagine being more ignorant than are you now? How would you fare?

The problem of Brazil is and always be education as long the caste of politicians and rich people pretend the problem is other.

>>18296995 (OP)
The name of the book is Clockwork Orange, btw.

>> No.18297611

>>18297591
>Murican propaganda over decades
>Hate against communism
"You know what Brazil needs? Communism!" This attitude is part of why Brazil will never make it.

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Projeto Nacional: O Dever da Esperança by the next president Ciro Gomes

>> No.18297632

>>18297616
Hue.

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>>18296995
Op, acho que um livro que retrata bem a falha de caráter de certa parte do povo brasileiro é o Triste fim de Policarpo Quaresma, do Lima Barreto. Vou logo avisando que o final é bem triste, como o próprio título diz.

Outra coisa: gente ruim tem no mundo todo. Não fica arrancado os cabelos por causa disso, não. O Bananil é, ao mesmo tempo, um puxadinho do inferno e um pedaço do paraíso.

>> No.18297680

>>18297550
>Any recommendations?
From what I've read Fernanda Melchor and Mariana Enríquez (she has some incredible short stories and some ok ones, read El chico sucio and La casa de Adela from the things we lost in the fire first to see if it's your thing), by reading about both of them you can also find some similar authors.
>I tried to ask in brazilian imageboards, but with no success
Yeah it's hard to get into contemporary fiction and it's hard to keep up if you don't only wanna read contemporary fiction. I'm honestly shamefully ignorant about Brasilian literature (something I plan on fixing soon) so I couldn't tell you where to start either. What could work is finding some good publisher, looking for some youngish literary critic (from academia or not) or asking some literature student/professor. Maybe the first book you find or get recommended will not be the best but you'd at least have a starting point.

>> No.18297690

South America, after Spain's withdrawl, was svppvsed to be a collection of bvsed Catholic/Indigineous syncretist balkanized states that lived in harmony with its natural resources. Now they plant basedbeans, burn forests, and submit to the Anglo. What went wrong?

>> No.18297696

O Povo Brasileiro de Darcy Ribeiro

Or at least watch the movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zEztOsq6yA

>> No.18297697

>>18297339
Brazil receive a huge influx of immigrants from Europe and East Asia in the 20th century. Most of white and mixed people do not descend from portuguese colonizers, but from people that arrived after the end of colonization and slavery.

>> No.18297722

>>18296995
A country where summer lasts all year round cannot count on one drop of compassion from me.

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>> No.18297739

>>18297675
Vários livros do Lima Barreto. Triste Fim de Policarpo Quaresma, Numa e a ninfa, Recordações do Escrivão Isaías Caminha, o Homem que sabia Javanês... o Brasil parece estagnado no mesmo lugar de 100 anos atrás.

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>> No.18297779

>>18297729
hot
>>18297740
gross

>> No.18297817

>>18297739
É verdade. Ele fazia várias críticas sociais. Não foi à toa que encontrou dificuldade em publicar o Recordações do Escrivão Isaías Caminha. Esse livro só saiu porque foi publicado em Lisboa, e o Lima Barreto não ganhou um tostão com ele.

>> No.18297859

>>18297199
Brazil is hard to develop economically because it's a corrupt psuedo-maoist Sodom where walking down the street can potentially get you killed. It's like if Portland was a tropical paradise full of niggers.

>>18297321
Why is it that mostly pure indo-american countries, even though they also went through colonization, are mostly safe places to live? Bolivia and Paraguay are some of the coziest countries in the world.
Why is it that mostly whitey colonies, even ones that suffer poverty like Argentina and Uruguay, are also decent places to live or at least not dangerous like Brazil?
Why is it that a literal warzone like Syria during the revolution had the same number of murders as Brazil during peacetime?
Blaming 'colonialism' is just a cope for subhuman thirdies who're too stupid and niggardly to grasp aryan concepts like responsibility and autonomy. The only people Brazilians should be raging against are parasitic favella-niggers and the corrupt political class that enables them.

>> No.18297870

>>18297859
I blame the Portuguese for bringing niggerst into the continent.

>> No.18297906

>>18297257
Não consegue sair do país? Você poderia ir pro interior no meio do nada e ignorar o mundo exterior, se é que isso te ajudaria
>>18297675
>>18297739
>>18297817
Sempre tive preguiça de ler Lima Barreto, mas suas recomendações me deixaram curioso

>> No.18297948

not a book but this article is really good

https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2021/05/the-brazilianization-of-the-world/

>> No.18297975

>>18297906
Engraçado que é bem o que planejo, sair da Matrix que são as cidades e viver uma vida mais plena em contato com a natureza, só preciso arrumar uma trannies 7/10 pra levar comigo

>> No.18298010

>>18297906
>Você poderia ir pro interior no meio do nada e ignorar o mundo exterior, se é que isso te ajudaria
Não sou quem você está quotando, mas certas vezes me bate a fantasia de ir morar numa fazenda do interior.

>> No.18298019

>>18297859
>aryan concepts like responsibility and autonomy
The "aryan" peoples had not a semblance of civilization before contact with meds, lel

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>>18297975
ahahahahahahahahahahah
sim, muito contato com a natureza enquanto você pilota um trator movido a diesel e faz uma sondagem das suas terras com um drone. Meu amigo, deixe de ser cringe, pelo amor de Deus.

>> No.18298044

>>18296995
I liek brazil

>> No.18298055

>>18297675
Eu já li, a um bom tempo atrás enquanto eu ainda estava no EM.

>gente ruim tem no mundo todo. Não fica arrancado os cabelos por causa disso, não
Eu não fico, mas você tem que concordar comigo que é baita cenário pra um livro e que a sociedade, ou a "anti-sociedade", brasileira tem as suas peculiaridades, eu também queria entender porque ninguém escreve sobre a sociedade brasileira atual, os nossos escritores parece estar presos no passado e desconectados do presente.

>>18297680
Thanks man, i gonna look it up.

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I’ve been wanting to ask a braziloid some questions. First of all, is there any meritocracy over there? If you’re somewhat smart and motivated, can you “make it”? Also, every Brazil anon I’ve interacted with on here seems so depressed about the state of their cities. How it’s dangerous and so on. Don’t you have comfy small towns over there that you can move to? I always thought Brazil wasn’t so bad but every braziloid seems so fucking depressed. They just might be the most depressed demographic on this board. Aren’t the women at least pretty hot and feminine?

>> No.18298074

>>18297520
It is normal and it mostly affects niggers

>> No.18298083

>>18296995
Something about India probably. LMAO

>> No.18298109

>>18298057
>Also, every Brazil anon I’ve interacted with on here seems so depressed about the state of their cities. How it’s dangerous and so on.
I've always been a bit puzzled by this. Sure, Brazil has a high murder rate, but even their shitholes like Rio have a lower homicide rate than some American cities. If anything being American is more depressing because you know a worse version of Brazil is in your future, whereas Brazil will always be Brazil.

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>>18298109
yes this is why I was also a bit puzzled because I saw a comparison of some American cities and Brazilian cities by homicides per 100k, and cities like St. Louis, Baltimore, New Orleans etc were far more dangerous than the ones in Brazil. Can’t tell if they’re just being dramatic or what.

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brazil died with senna
prove me wrong

>> No.18298163

>>18298055
Anão, se algum escritor compor um romance com a devida conformidade com a realidade brasileira, é capaz da obra receber críticas por não haver coerência entre os fatos narrados. Tal é o absurdo em que vivemos. É como diz esta máxima: “a diferença entre a verdade e a ficção é que a ficção faz mais sentido”.

>> No.18298174

>>18298142
It's not like it isn't bad there. I think people from down there just have an unrealistic image of the US - many major cities in the US are shittier than LatAm.

I mean St. Louis alone has like a 90 per 100k murder rate, lol. That's like 3 times as high as Rio. Fuck, I really hate the slave traders. It's their fault.

>> No.18298180

99% of Brazil’s problems come from the fact they chose such a hideous flag to represent their nation

>> No.18298191

>>18298109
>whereas Brazil will always be Brazil.
This only means that things will continue to get worse.

> is there any meritocracy over there?
The rich is gonna say yes, the poor gonna say no;

>If you’re somewhat smart and motivated, can you “make it”?
If you some luck, most of the brazilians dont even have a proper place to live, the favelas are basically a place for people to sleep, there is no prviacy or a place for study.

>. Don’t you have comfy small towns over there that you can move to?
There is no jobs, in the bigger cities you can live doing anything, from selling water bottles in the streets to sharpen scizzors.

>. They just might be the most depressed demographic on this board
Its not, is the same feeling that you get in brazilian imageboard and in the streets.

>They just might be the most depressed demographic on this board. Aren’t the women at least pretty hot and feminine?
It doesn't matter, if you dont have money woman dont want anything with you.

>>18298163
O pior é que você tem razão.

>>18298142
Its not only about homicides, but the future, or the absence of one, of the country.

>> No.18298197

>>18296995
Como nascem os monstros was a interesting reading for me

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>>18298191
Well fuck, how much money do you need per month to live very comfortably over there?

>> No.18298230

>>18297690

The people whose name start with the N word.

>> No.18298238

>>18298207
Compare to the wages? A lot, people saving up their entire lives to buy a simple house.

>> No.18298256

>>18298207
I make 17,050 reais / month (arround 3,200 dolars) and live pretty well, considering that this is the average wage of a MacDonalds manager in the us, id say you don't need much

>> No.18298273

>>18298256
And what is the average wage of a MacDonalds manager in Brazil?

>> No.18298277

>>18296995
Racial composition of the brazil
Gobineau talks how racial degradation leads to collapse of societies: it happened to the hindus, romans, persians, greeks, egyptians, mesopotamians, and argentines/brazilians

>> No.18298278

>>18298256
>17,050 reais / month (arround 3,200 dolars)
You're rich as fuck for our standards

>> No.18298280

>>18298273
Id say it isn't more than 3,000 reais

>> No.18298297

>>18298278
If i were rich I wouldn't even have a wage, I'm middle class at most, thing is 90% of the population is poor

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>>18298280
Its 1600 reais in a month, 300 dollars.

>> No.18298330

>>18298311
Caralho and how much does the burguer flipper makes than

>> No.18298344

>>18298330
Then*

>> No.18298386

>>18296995
You want Lima Barreto. He's the one who best described Brazilian mediocrity in literature.

Recordações de Isaías Caminha
Triste Fim de Policarpo Quaresma
Vida e Morte de M. J. Gonzaga de Sá

>> No.18298407

>>18298330
$18,333 a year, $1500 a month.

>> No.18298451

>>18298407
No wonder people rather be ilegals in Europe or usa

>> No.18298472

>>18298297
That is relative. There is this calculator that now asks me for a subscription but didn't use to, where you compare your salary to the rest of the population:

https://www.nexojornal.com.br/interativo/2016/01/11/O-seu-sal%C3%A1rio-diante-da-realidade-brasileira

And basically if you make R$ 3500 or more you're part of the 10% richest people in the country. I know a manager at a software company making R$ 10000 a month, and a manager at a McDonalds makes this:
>>18298311
So that gives an idea of how much the people working for them are making. I'd definitely call you rich or at the very least upper middle class.

>> No.18298487

>>18298180
The previous flag was a plagiarized version of the US flag, which is worse imo

>> No.18298505

>>18298472
It's weird when you face the reality of our country like this, i was a cop before my current job and i remember crying and bitching how poor i was for making just 5k reais

>> No.18298523

>>18297817
Dizem que o jornal em que o Isaías Caminha trabalha foi baseado num jornal real da época em que o Lima Barreto trabalhou. Isso deve ter atraído oposição.

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>>18298487
Should’ve just kept the Brazilian empire flag.

>> No.18298540

>>18298529
Either this or come up with another from scratch

>> No.18298541

huehuehuehuehue

>> No.18298549

>>18298505
I'm in this boat, but soon I'll be gone. I'm currently making 5k but thank God I found a job in Europe and now I'll make like 6k eur per month.

>> No.18298564

>>18298549
Good for you, anon, what is your profession?

>> No.18298622

>>18298505
Are you a concurseiro anon? Is it worth it?

>> No.18298644

>>18298549
>hehe gibe monis plz
All you need is enough for a plane ticket. Then you'll be safe. Imagine ratracing to escape daily carjackings.

>> No.18298645

>>18298564
Self-taught software engineer. Unfortunately we need to become bugmen in order to make money on a wage.

>> No.18298651

>>18298622
Se você nao nasceu rico é o único jeito de subir na vida, fui de concurso em concurso até ir para escola de marinha mercante hj em dia eu ganho bem, apesar de nao ser nais funcionário público, sou o anon desse post
>>18298256

>> No.18298655

>>18298644
What the fuck are you on about?

>> No.18298661

>>18298644
Meds, now!

>> No.18298707

>>18298645
Good choice of career, anon

>> No.18298738

>>18296995
Bro, if you are willing to be open minded, you can look for "do pais constitucional ao pais neocolonial", from Paulo Bonavides. It helped me get a grasp on one (of many) fundamental problem with our country. Good read.

>> No.18298779

>>18297013
yeah fucktard, watch me go outside and get covid + robbed

>> No.18298810

>>18297102
imagine being this naive

>>18297098
ideologically you guys are close, not quite there yet though

>>18297606
Clockwork Orange has way way more substance if used as a lens to look at England

>> No.18298850

>>18298651
Sempre pensei que concurso militar não desse tanto dinheiro. Vc ganha tudo isso na marinha ou tá no setor privado Anon? Aliás vc fez faculdade? Desculpa perguntar tanto, tô pensando em seguir uma rota parecida.

>> No.18298883

>>18298057
meritocracy is way more real and noticeable than one would think looking at a country with a majority of people that are mixed or straight up black.

>> No.18298894

>>18298850
Privado, trabalho em petroleiro numa empresa grega operando no Brasil.

Eu fiz EFOMM, é academia militar da marinha a qual forma oficiais da marinha mercante, sao 4 anos e a gnt dai com diploma de nível superior.

Tá aberta inscrição, se vc tem menos de 23 anos pode fazer.

A profissão paga bem, mas sempre tem o risco de ficar desempregado se o mercado ficar ruim (como estava após o petrolao, lava jato, etc.)

Coisas a se considerar: saber inglês fluente, a maioria das empresas dao gringas, e também o regime de embarque, o meu é 60 dias embarcado e 60 dias em casa (salário normal todo o mês).

>> No.18299231 [DELETED] 

>>18296995
Two word: Southern Hemisphere

>> No.18299268

bros i jus want a brazilian gf, how to acquire one?

>> No.18299284 [DELETED] 

>>18299268
kebranozes.com

>> No.18299298

>>18296995
Didnt they have some kind of cultural renaissance in the 50s and 60s? I feel their music, art, architecture and shit really took off. Bossa Nova and jazz, their landscape and architecture had that kind of funky distinctly Brazilian look. Was it more of a passing American fascination or did something happen on the Brazilian side too?

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>>18299284

>> No.18299341

>>18299298
Jet-Age naivety, nothing more.

>> No.18299380

>>18299284
I just jacked off to that. How am I supposed to feel?

>> No.18299389

>>18297520
>Widespread corruption is not normal.
it is though
it's not good, but it's pretty normal throughout most of the world

>> No.18299398

>>18299341
I bet it was more complex, gonna go read about it. Your answer seems the answer of a retard

>> No.18299399

>>18299380
Kys.

>> No.18299406

>>18299331
Sorry anon. I was stupid please forgive me.

>> No.18299410

>>18299380
fuck you beta cuck.

>> No.18299626

>>18296995
The Bell Curve

>> No.18299816

>>18296995
Its wonderful isnt it?

>> No.18299842

>>18299398
The whole world was full of optimism following ww2. New technologies were twinned with a belief in human progress. The entire capitol of Brasilia was built up with this feeling in mind (in the shape of a jet plane, no less), and today it's a soulless hellscape because modernist architecture and urban planning is garbage (and inextricable from the ideas which inspired it).

(no shit it was more complex, you can extract more complexity out of anything. I'm just being glib, you dingus)

>> No.18299934

>>18299380
>>18299399
>>18299410
This is all me replying to myself just for (you) anon>>18299331

>> No.18300025

One Hundred Years of Solitude

Some South-American writers have this great sense of the dream-like, speculative, and surreal. Reading someone's opinions on how the country should be led is not very imaginative and interesting, and most of the atrocities are either done by people who live in their fantasy world, or by people that have no imagination at all.

>> No.18300033

>>18299842
(((((((((((((((((((
)))))))))))))))))))

you'll need them more than I will (if you keep typing(like (that)))

>> No.18300064

>>18296995
I've never noticed it, but Brazil has a weird and ugly flag.

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>> No.18300071

Brasil is so much more aesthetic than Brazil.

>> No.18300097

>>18298529
>Should’ve just kept the Brazilian empire
Ftfy, Pedro II did nothing wrong and Brazilians didn't deserve him.

>> No.18300310

Tá foda mano...

>> No.18300336

>>18297188
Stfu
Maybe in this shithole better climate, but we don't have millions of people living in a fucking favela slums, fucking mutts that send aid's on every corner and a gangsters who shooting people in the light of the day it was a 90s thing maybe but not anymore. Only what is true is a school shooter's, but they didn't caught them 3 in a month, it was the first time in about five years that happens recently

>> No.18301415

>>18298109
>If anything being American is more depressing because you know a worse version of Brazil is in your future
We enjoy a higher standard of living and our infrastructure is far better. I already live in Libshit hell. But I'm grateful that I was born here in the US. Brazil may be on an upwards trajectory. But who cares when you live in fucking garbage. Who cares that your crime rate is going down. Who cares about less corruption. Who cares about the expansion of your induvial rights. Who cares about rule of law over the slums.
>>18298180
True
>>18298529
Also Ture

>> No.18301957

>>18299298
This was restricted to higher classes. Bossa Nova always was music for elites and for exportation, never really popular.

>> No.18302111

>>18296995
canadian in brazil
extreme dystopia in copacabana/ipanema/leme
have not been robbed, here long time.
will be robbed today

>> No.18302116

>>18299389
> Brazil may be on an upwards trajectory.
Kek.

>> No.18302656

>>18296995
>Is there any book that portrays the dystopia that is this country?
Cidade de Deus.

>> No.18303970

>>18296995
This is interesting to hear because even as a kid living in Peru the vibes everybody sent of Brazil was that it was some degenerate extrovert hellhole with your carnivals being full of nudity and deviant sexuality on display. I've left South America long ago. I'm surprised Brazilians confirm the stereotype is true.

>> No.18304021

>>18297257

Iberian colonization. That’s the problem. It’s like a society being build from the start by cancerous cells.

>> No.18304065

>>18298044
objectively wrong

>> No.18305439

>>18296995
Pensando nisso, essa descrição que tu fez é bem apropriada pra explicar o motivo de eu ignorar completamente qualquer coisa acontecendo por aqui e só consumir mídia anglófona. Tudo que chega no Brasil de fora é de terceira-mão e quando brasileiro põe a mão tudo vira pó.

>> No.18305449

>>18297098
Keep voting democrat, that's what they'll achieve. Peak crony capitalism and state rigging with no commitment to first principles beyond 'Im better than you and thus your lord'.

>> No.18305464

>>18301415
America is on the trajectory of becoming an unholy amalgamation of Brazil, the USSR, and Zimbabwe. By 2100 Americans will wish that their decline led merely to their becoming another Brazil.

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>>18305449
Same thing if you vote republican, there is no escape, this is more related to the death of community and society as a whole than political parties.
Also, lots of brazilians in america vote for Trump.

>> No.18305612

>>18305464
I fear this shit like you wouldn't believe. Why have whites become so weak?

>> No.18305645

>>18305542
>same thing if you vote republican
Oh wow, the ruin we would be led if you vote for the only party in the world consistently cutting taxes and regulations. What they would achieve with enough time in power? It would be chaos!

Now go vaccinate because an unelected commitment told you so, sheep.

>> No.18305662

>>18305645
>Now go vaccinate because an unelected commitment told you so, sheep.
Kek, you are already one of us, you just need to learn portuguese..

>> No.18305694

>>18305645
>unelected comitee
Fixed.

>>18305662
Vai à merda, arrombado.

>> No.18305708

>>18305645
You're actually saying that if we vote Republican it'll all be well and good? Lmao. How's the based tranny Republican in Cali going? How about we invade Iran for Israel? Fuck off homo.

>> No.18305715

>>18305645
>>18305708
The problem is this two party system.

I mean, I agree with the vaccines, hate israel, and hate government intervention.

I even don't really agree with the basis of the BLM.

SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO BE CORRALLED INTO A LITTLE BOX

>> No.18305729

>>18305708
No, I'm telling you the government should have no authority on anything beyond arresting thieves, murderers and rapists, and a big red button to nuke the country that is trying to invade you, and that's that. Everything else the government does it fails, everything the government do it fucks everything over, and they can go bankrupt again and again because of their utter incompetence and force your whole lineage to be kept under the thumb of tax to pay for the bills.

So, the only party in the world cutting its own political power is the republican party. Everything else that isnt't cutting taxes and regulations is blatant cronyism and state rigging.

>> No.18305733

>>18305715
>The problem is this two party system
The problem is giving government any kind of authority for anything beyond avoid us to kill ourselves on quarries or other nations to invade.

>> No.18305763

>>18305612
It's pretty bizarre. I've said this before and I'll say it again, but the pre-20th century Whites and modern Whites are different races. There's no way to explain how fast and how far they've fallen, it boggles the mind.

>> No.18305810

>>18296995
>>18297013
What’s the relationship with white people over there? Are they targeted or looked up to or treated like shit like everyone else? I want to know because the US will become Brazil 2.0 within 75 years. What should I expect as a white person?

>> No.18305838

>>18305729
The Republican Party is about invading countries because they don't suck Jewish cock hard enough. Or letting corporations fuck you over because muh free market. You know, I'd really love to be able to go out in public and denounce fags, rioting nigs, and everything else, but BASED Republicans think that corporations should have the right to fire me for political speech outside the workplace. Or maybe my BASED local Republicans will vote to zone the local patch of farmlands and woodlands to into shitty suburban housing. Or maybe my BASED Republicans will vote for more free trade agreements and undercut my labor for some Indian who works for a dollar a day. FUCKING BASED. IT WAS REAL FUCKING BASED WHEN THE REPUBLICANS HAPPILY VOTED TO EXPAND GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE. IT WAS REAL BASED WHEN TRUMP AGGED ON HIS BIGGEST SUPPORTERS TO RIOT AND THEN LET THEM GET ARRESTED IN MASS. FUCKING BASED. VOTE REPUBLICAN.

>> No.18305842

>>18297167
Exactly. Plus there is a huge difference in potential between poor East Asians and poor mulattos hybrid negroids.

>> No.18305857

>>18305810
We're not lucky enough to have the relationship that Latin American whites have with their nonwhites. Unless things change, it will be South Africa and Mozambique levels of anti-whiteness. Latin America is quietly white supremacist. Jews and whites on top and the mestizos and indios are on the bottom. They don't seem to care, which is amazing. It's changing now due to American influence.

>> No.18305867

>>18297321
Nigger genes are your problem not whites. Go ahead and name anytime in history when the white population decreased and things improved, I’ll wait

>> No.18305877

>>18297552
Once you go black you can never go back

>> No.18305891

>>18305857
>It's changing now due to American influence.
lol we are truly quite the force on the world

>> No.18305916

>Why does our government suck so much?
>It's because of [group of people who have no power]!
If your government sucks, it's because your elite sucks. If your elite sucks, it's because the institutions that train them suck. Go from there.

>> No.18305925

>>18298019
You are an ignorant fuck. Civilization originated in the Indus Valley / Fertile Crescent 10000 plus years ago by ancient Caucasian (Aryan) people. The Iranians are some of the oldest civilized people. Do you know where the world “Iran” comes from? “Aryan”, it’s the same world spoken by a different people you stupid brown nigger animal.

>> No.18305934

>>18305925
>Civilization originated in the Indus Valley / Fertile Crescent 10000 plus years ago by ancient Caucasian (Aryan) people.
ask me how i know you're a dumb nigger

>> No.18305981

>>18305464
Lol you are correct good sir.

>> No.18306001

>>18305612
Diseugenic domestication and welfare, Judaism, feminism and Globalism.

>> No.18306015

>>18305857
America should be destroyed.
t.American

>> No.18306025

>>18305934
He’s right though. Where do you think civilization originated, ancient Nigeria, ancient Peru?

>> No.18306105

>>18305694
Kek, acertei na mosca,

>> No.18306181

>>18305838
>The Republican Party is about invading countries because they don't suck Jewish cock hard enough
Obamadrone goes BRRRRRT
Also, Trump's mandate was comparatively the one that meddle less with foreign wars.

>Or letting corporations fuck you over because muh free market
Oh, yes, because I can't get off that amazon warehouse to work literally anywhere else there is a job for me to take if I want to, being free is paying taxes for the rest of your life for services you'll never use

>yadda yadda republicans bad
Oh, yes, they're villains. And democrats are saints.

Get a fucking grip.

>IT WAS REAL FUCKING BASED WHEN THE REPUBLICANS HAPPILY VOTED TO EXPAND GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE
Thank fuck democrats are mandating masks then

>FUCKING BASED. VOTE REPUBLICAN.
Rent free

>> No.18306193

>>18306105
Eu vou acertar é a minha mão na sua cara

>> No.18306208

>>18306193
*mão na sua pica

>> No.18306227

>>18306208
Essa miserinha de 17 centímetros aí?

>> No.18306246

>>18298055
Tem o livro Delete que é de ficção num futuro que o Brasil fica ainda mais fodido, tem uma guerra nuclear que destrói os países desenvolvidos e a coisa vai ficando pior até quase toda a água do mundo estar contaminada e o pessoal dar o cu pra beber uma chícara

>> No.18306253

>>18306227
17 centimetros tá na media

>> No.18306254

>>18296995
write one and then I will pirate it to read

>> No.18306341

>>18306246
Li um pós-apocalíptico em que o Brasil foi o único que se safou, a graça é ver o Brasil como exemplo para os outros, uma terra distante e mais avançada.

>> No.18306447

>>18306253
Acima de 5cm é mutação genética

>> No.18306702

>>18296995
As said by other anons, Lima Barreto is interesting for showing the brazilian "mediocrity". "Um abraço para todos os amigos" by Antonio Rafael shows how drug trafficking and drug consumption works in Brazil/Rio(it's not a novel, the author is an anthropologist). It doesn't talk about how brazilian organized crime came to be(but I can say that this is related to revolutionary communist groups wanting to constitute an alternative state in poor areas). I like Lilia Moritz Schwarz, you might think she is a dirty leftist. Her books are interesting for showing the "intellectual" history of Brazil, how academic institutions have been constitued and how racial relationships have been historically in here. You end up thinking about how brazilians are quite naive about themselves.

I'm not really a fan of most authors who are praised in Brazil, especially the sociologists and historians, but also when it comes to the literature. Almost all of it is crap. Brazil has had almost none intellectuals so far, only people who pose with their flairs of certified intellectual and practice their prose technique, without any substance whatsoever.

>> No.18306752

>>18306025
Not him but I'll explain. The fertile crescent was civilized by Sumerians and semites that weren't aryan. The indus valley people were also not Aryan but got invaded by Aryans to create vedic civilization. Ehh idk it's pretty cringe man, making pro-white people look dumb.

>> No.18306763

>>18306702
Some people get so used to pseudos that they cannot enjoy anything better. There are lots of tards here who enjoy the worse breed of American counterculture, as if it was somehow real.

>> No.18306780

>>18306702
Can you quote some American authors you like, so we know a bit of why you think so?

>> No.18307166

>>18306780
American pragmatist philosophers(Peirce, William James) and ordinary language philosophers(Searle, Quine) are all time greats. I like Thoureau and Steinbeck, I also unironically like Theodore Kaczynski. American books are not what I spend most of my time reading.

Brazilian literature is very "local" instead of focusing in universal themes, while at the same time being unable to grasp its own reality. For all of its history its literary movements have been a worse version of whatever was happening in Europe at the time, morphed with uninteresting brazilian idiosyncrasies(racial and political). Also most of the authors write in purple prose with a few exceptions(Lima Barreto is one of them, who got shit on for writing too simplistically).

Guimarães Rosa and Machado de Assis are generally considered to be the two greatest, I find them ok(but Guimarães Rosa might be unreadable for foreigners). Examples of terrible authors who are praised are Raul Pompeia and José de Alencar.

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>>18296995
There sort of is.Though it isn't specified what country the MC is from, it also doesn't matter when the entire planet Earth is becoming Brazil for reasons that will sound remarkably fucking familiar.
The only fiction about this is that there is a way out for based and red pilled men.