/lit/ - Literature

>>18284347
Andrei Bely and Francois Rabelais. A lot of people know them but they are never talked about here, and probably rarely actually read. French people think of Rabelais was known for poetry

For cinema World on a Wire by Fassbinder is nearly perfect, but no one has heard of it.

breece pancake might not be hidden but is probably the closest thing i've read. some of his best work (not that there's much to begin with) is available free in the atlantic's archives.
his story the fox hunters is faulkner's barn burning in the absence of a father

REMEMBER WHEN /tv/ WAS GOOD? REMEMBER WHEN «MUBI» WAS GOOD? «MUBI», AND «FOURCHAN», COINCIDENTALLY WERE VIRTUALLY CASTRATED AT THE SAME TIME, IN YEAR TWOTHOUSAND TWELVE; I STOPPED USING THE FORMER CIRCA THAT YEAR, BUT RECENTLY STARTED REUSING IT MERELY DUE TO VAGUE LONGING FOR WHAT IT USED TO BE, AND THERE BEING NOTHING TO SUBSTITUTE IT; MAYBE IF I KEEP USING IT I WILL TRIGGER A METACAUSAL MECHANISM THAT WILL RESULT IN THE IMPROVEMENT OF /tv/, AND OF «FOURCHAN(NEL)» IN GENERAL, HAHA.


https://mubi.com/users/3509617

>>18284650
Not as bad I as I would have thought.

everything mentioned on this thread so far is the opposite of unknown

>>18284376
>Fassbinder
>but no one has heard of it.
mate almost all of his films are on criterion

have personally seen plenty of films very few other (living) people have desu

https://wakefieldpress.com/catalog.html

>>18284686
Untrue. Not even half of them are on Criterion.

I was active on /film/ a year ago, but it was total garbage. I remember some autist who spammed Vincent Gallo, another autist who sperged out over Terayama's color filters, and a third one who was obsessed with Marketa Lazarova.
Soon after that, I stopped visiting film communities because the rest of them are even worse. iCM Forum is full of trannies, reddit is soi-drenched beyond salvation, and the other forums are too small to give a shit about.

>>18285090
I love artsy films and old classics, but the form of media panders to the lowest of the lowest. Atleast with literature we have come class keeping people out.

>>18284347
How do you download these films?

>>18285917
Private trackers, vk.com, and, I shit you not, YouTube

Too lazy to look into /film/, gimme charts, links, you name it

>>18285955
What type of films are you interested in?

>>18285936
>Private trackers
How do these work?

Sorry man, I am not familiar with underground cinema so can you recommend me a film that you like which is available on YouTube?

It's not even hidden, it's right there in the middle of his "major works" listing, but for some reason everyone just wants to rim and lick his ass over the book that came before it, and the book that came after it, and it's never even mentioned but for like 4 or 5 other posters, in my own observation, and remains so obscure in conversation that I had to find out about it from fucking Amazon algorithms of "books similar to War & Peace" for some reason. Based Amazon, unbased NEETs (the stereotypical audience anymore for The Magic Mountain, or so it seems at least). It's not even included on lists of Biblical/Christian lit, remaining absent in favor of another dozen terrible Biblical ALLEGORY novels by 50-year-old American women.

Fuck

>>18285958
Recently binged Visconti and looking for deep deep cuts. Something that would be on Criterion but isn’t for whatever reason.

Also really enjoy transgressive fic or anything with a dark, claustrophobic vibe

>>18284376
Idk I feel like Rabelais receives obligatory mention in any thread about comedic lit including Cervantes and Sterne. Like, those three are the trifecta. The meme trilogy.

>but where didst thou shite?
>In your throat, milord.
>Ha-ha, thou art a merry fellow!

>>18285969
While I really liked Joseph and his brothers, I feel that Doctor Faustus and The Magic Mountain are far greater works from Mann. But it's true that Joseph is very little discussed here.

I'd say The Sleepwalkers by Hermann Broch, I would put it alongside Musil's The Man Without Qualities as the greatest book of the 20th century, and yet it is never talked about here. Same for Hasek's Good Soldier Svejk.

>>18284347
>that list of some of the most acclaimed Japanese films/directors of all time
>few people have ever heard off (hidden gems)
?

>>18286044
forgot to say >pic unrelated

>>18285985
>anything with a dark, claustrophobic vibe
You might like these then:
>La passion de Jeanne d’Arc (Carl Theodor Dreyer, 1928)
>Körkarlen (Victor Sjöström, 1921)
>Hintertreppe (Paul Leni & Leopold Jessner, 1921)
>狂った一頁 (Teinosuke Kinugasa, 1926)
>La chute de la maison Usher (Jean Epstein, 1928)
>Pętla (Wojciech Has, 1958)
>Spalovač mrtvol (Juraj Herz, 1969)
>切腹 (Masaki Kobayashi, 1962)
>Le feu follet (Louis Malle, 1963)
>Nattvardsgästerna (Ingmar Bergman, 1963)
>خانه سیاه است (Forough Farrokhzad, 1963)
>赤い殺意 (Shôhei Imamura, 1964)
>鬼婆 (Kaneto Shindô, 1964)
>Repulsion (Roman Polanski, 1965)
>Ο Φόβος (Kostas Manoussakis, 1966)
>他人の顔 (Hiroshi Teshigahara, 1966)
>A margem (Ozualdo Ribeiro Candeias, 1967)
>犯された白衣 (Kôji Wakamatsu, 1967)
>無常 (Akio Jissôji, 1970)
>修羅 (Toshio Matsumoto, 1971)
>噴出祈願 十五代の売春婦 (Masao Adachi & Haruhiko Arai, 1971)
>L’ordre (Jean-Daniel Pollet, 1973)
>戒厳令 (Yoshishige Yoshida, 1973)
>Un homme qui dort (Bernard Queysanne, 1974)
>19-ე საუკუნის ქართული ქრონიკა (Aleqsandre Rekhviashvili, 1979)
>Kárhozat (Béla Tarr, 1988)
>Der siebente Kontinent (Michael Haneke, 1989)
>Possession (Andrzej Żuławski, 1981)
>闇打つ心臓 (Shunichi Nagasaki, 1982)
>Пиcьмa мepтвoгo чeлoвeкa (Konstantin Lopušanski, 1986)
>追悼のざわめき (Yoshihiko Matsui, 1988)
>Tulitikkutehtaan tyttö (Aki Kaurismäki, 1990)
>Кaмeнь (Aleksandr Sokurov, 1992)
>Naked (Mike Leigh, 1993)
>Лaдoни (Artur Aristakisjan, 1994)
>Koridorius (Šarūnas Bartas, 1995)
>Ossos (Pedro Costa, 1997)

>anything with a dark, claustrophobic vibe

>>18286061
Seems like I forgot to mention 心中天網島 (1969) by Masahiro Shinoda, splendid film and one of the most unique of the '60s. Definitely dark and claustrophobic too.

>>18285959
Here for example :
https://youtu.be/mvyqPHvhhwc
As for private trackers, you will need an invite from someone.

>>18284650
>He watched Dance of the 41
kek I knew you were a fag

>>18286061
fuck yea, should keep me busy. Cheers anon

>>18284686
world on a wire was only recently resurfaced though

>hidden gems
Like the greatest poetry book of the 20th century that nobody has read?

>>18286119
Looks interesting, is it anything like Rilke's Sonnets to Orpheus? Or more like Rimbaud?

>>18284347
>the number of hidden literary gems in must be uncountanble
I don't think I've seen anyone on /lit/ mention Japanese hermit poetry before. It's not even that obscure, but everybody here only talks about Mishima and a few other novelists as far as japlit is concerned.
Also, I've heard that Shakuntala is one of the best things world literature has to offer, but I haven't read it myself so yeah

>>18284347
Bove's a winter's journal

>>18284698
Recommend your favorites, I bet I watched them too ;)

>>18286131
More like Rimbaud and Mallarmé. It has many parts in poetic prose, with dense descriptive textures full of imagery. The author was a Neetzsche fanboy.

>>18285917
movieparadise dot org, discord servers that post megalinks upon request, torrent

>>18286141
>>18286119
What's the point of reading poetry that's not in your mother tongue?

>>18285985
The Servant 1963
The Fear 1966

Is there any category of people more obnoxious than cinephiles?

>>18286023
>Musil's The Man Without Qualities
Currently reading AMA

>>18286061
Is this a copypasta

>>18286170
Yes, (You)

>>18286163
You should read poetry translated by other poets. Poetry can be turned to another language provided that it remains poetry.
But, yeah, you better learn Italian.

>>18286163
Learn it nigger

>>18286170
There are those YA bookfags, but with film it can't be helped as it has the lowest bar of entry.

>>18286170
Pedophiles

>>18286152
I've taken a look at some of his poems (translated sadly) but jesus, this is really some good stuff, thanks anon.

>>18286181
>dude look I watched so many obscure films, am I not a connoisseur?? It only takes a couple hours to watch one, you can marathon through 5 films EVERY DAY! Just sit back,, consoom :-)

>>18284650
>hes an SNK fag
ahahahhahaha

>>18286199
>>dude look I listened to so many obscure albums, am I not a connoisseur?? It only takes a couple hours to listen to one, you can marathon through 5 albums EVERY DAY! Just sit back,, consoom :-)
>>dude look I saw so many obscure Paintings, am I not a connoisseur?? It only takes a 3 minutes to absorb one, you can marathon through 500 Paintings EVERY DAY! Just sit back,, consoom :-)

Do you hate all art in general? or are you just into giving out second-hand unoriginal "takes," in a condescending manner?

>>18284347
Seems slightly superfluous to say: Post-War. Of course it's post war. Majority of cinema didn't develop till Post-War.

>>18286215
i bet he only "likes" books because it takes a longer time to consoom them and this justifies his pseudery.

>>18286224
bold to assume the tard even reads

>>18286222
>he hasn't seen the silent films of Ozu, Mizoguchi, Uchida, Naruse, Kinugasa, Makino, etc.
ofc the most famous jap films were made post-War but their cinema was still quite developed before it.
and if you meant to say cinema in general, that's an even more absurd statement.

>>18286222
I took it from /tv/'s wiki. Here's the pre-war chart.

>>18286175
How do you like it? It's probably my favourite book. As Milan Kundera once put, it's a book you can open anywhere at any given day and find a gem.

>>18286240
seen 36/48
Good list but missing one of the best - Tomu Uchida's Police Officer (1933)

>>18286195
You're more than welcome. It seems like the first translation was that of Salomon, but you can also find a very good one by L. Bonaffini just by searching the pdf on Google.

>>18284650
shut up cumgenius

>>18286230
>>18286224
>>18286215
There's nothing more passive and lazy than watching films. I don't hate films, I only hate the pretentious altguys who feel cultured and self-satisfied for having watched 628183829 films. Yes and then? You'll probably hold three of them in your heart. Barrels of time wasted in front of a screen and you boast about it. Maximum reddit.

>>18286241
Enjoying it so far, almost done with the second part. How is the third? I think I'll stop once I'm done with second, and that's a brilliant way to put it. I like the essayistic writing approach, it's the main appeal to me, keeps it light and easy to read.

>>18286272
>I only hate the pretentious altguys who feel cultured and self-satisfied for having watched 628183829 films. Yes and then? You'll probably hold three of them in your heart. Barrels of time wasted in front of a screen and you boast about it. Maximum reddit.
how is that different from reading six gorillion books or listening to shitloads of albums. why does Der ewige Filmchad disturb you so?

>>18284347
comfy as fuck.

>>18286272
What about those who don't boast? I feel its only a minority who do

>>18284990
unfathomably based. we should start a collaborative lit effort to buy and scan as many wakechad books as possible.

>>18286285

I enjoyed each part about equally, although obviously I wished that the book wouldn't have ended so abruptly. The essayistic writing approach is the key to Musil, and probably why I liken him and Broch so heavily (if you like The Man WIthout Qualities, you will also like The Sleepwalkers).

>>18286286
>how is that different from reading six gorillion books or listening to shitloads of albums
Simple: exactly because you know that books are long, you will select which to read beforehand. Albums are not really a problem because you can skip through them.

>>18286309
I just find the obsessive cinephile quite miserable. Watching films per se is fine, I myself have movies and directors I venerate, but I'm not a cinephile. If I were to watch everything I'm even slightly intringued by I would waste my life. The obsession over cinema is really a quantity > quality attitude.

>>18284347
>the number of hidden literary gems in must be uncountanble.
and they're more often than not untranslated.

>>18284650
>>>/adv/24172051

>>18286395
He is not too bad looking, has that well intentioned person look.

>>18286423
Lol

Schwob comes to mind

>>18284376
>French people think of Rabelais was known for poetry
No, he's considered one of our greatest author and as far as I'm aware he never wrote poetry (except if you count the end of the fifth book). I love Rabelais and it's true he doesn't get talked about much here but he's not an hidden gem.
I bet you're thinking of du Bellay, who is not an hidden gem either (well maybe outside of France). Pic rel is a poem by du Bellay.
>>18284650
kys

>>18286240
mizoguchi's 47 ronin is incredible

>>18286572
That's Harakiri by Kobayashi though?

>>18284376
Rabelais is part of Ye Olde Meme Trilogy

>>18286607
nah this is 47 ronin
this thread is giving me an excuse to post some of the thousands of film screenshots i've collected over the years

>>18286572
I agree, that scene at the start of Part 2 where the camera floats around the place during a Noh (?) play is one of the most orgasmic things ever

>>18284347
Your term is stupid. You assume some “average level” exists to be used as a reference point for “obscurity” measurement. Average person on this planet surely doesn't give a fuck about any of the things you've mentioned. Even if we limit the audience to those who are aware and capable, to a certain degree, we'll see that most of them haven't even touched the “non-hidden”, widely known “gems”. What you actually do is having a dick measurement contest with some barely defined virtual person, a contest you have already won.

Also, the assumption that some universal scale for works of art exists is just wishful thinking and relying on stereotypes.

Also, ocean does not work like experience points in game, you don't collect it. In addition, one who is attentive to oneself knows how much in the life-long navigation of the ocean happens by chance.

In other words, control yourself.

mad how basically every board has their staple schizo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8_BBoolMm8

>>18286688
please dont be a copypasta

>>18286485
I guess the French people I know are all retards then. When I had mentioned I was reading him each (3 frogs) thought I was reading poetry. None had read him, speaking as though they learned of him in the school system but never read him.

>>18284347
Theres a nice chart of "hidden" gems

Ive read most of them and can confirm its qualities

>>18287524
2/2

>>18286061
Repulsion (1965) was awful

>>18287597
Nah

>>18287604
I was looking forward watching it, since I loved Rosemary's Baby. But it was so boring. First movie I had to turn off in years.

>>18284347
Les Deux Etendards
Consciously hidden by academia cause they cant have a Hitler supporting fascist as the author of their greatest ever book

>>18284347
Films are a little different because for the most part you can still appreciate a foreign film with amateur subtitles (or even no subs if the cinematography is excellent) but literature requires laborious professional translation to cross language boundaries.

>>18286023
>sleepwalkers
Excellent contribution. Broch seems neglected by this board

>>18287705
Celine, Drieu, Giono, Cocteau were all collabos too and are not forgotten

>>18287532
>>18287524
these are actually really good

>>18286061
>Ingmar Bergman
>Roman Poolanski
>Un homme qui dort

>>18286197
Did you know MEMRI TV was started by an Israeli retirated armed forces member

>>18286253
He's name is cumgains.

>>18286272
Watching a serious movie can be as demanding as reading a book. Sure, ogling numbly at the screen is easier than skimming through the pages but both are evenly pointless without investment in the work. A good film requires you to appreciate the themes, the dialogues, the cinematic images, the camera work, etc. Each time I rewatch a good film I find something new not only in terms of plot (that is usually the most superficial aspect of the film) but overall aesthetics, little expressive details and such.

>>18286610
This needs to be memed.

>>18287532
in what world is no longer human just a minor classic/hidden gem? It was adapted by Junji Ito and even had an anime. In terms of fame and status it's right up there with haruki murakami's works

>>18286023
I’m reading The Man Without Qualities now. It’s excellent, I’m about 100 pages shy of finishing he published material. Also am planning on reading The Death of Virgil after

>>18288193
Spoken like a reddit cinephile

Borderlands 2

>>18286272
watching a movie can be both easier or harder than reading a book, when reading a page theres not much secrets rather than words and punctuation, even a child w basic literacy can read it aloud. imo watching a scene can be much more demanding of attention and deep comprehension, if you go into -effects casting acting lighting costume scenery angles cameras-, it's a much more dense work of art.

I prefer reading tho.

>>18288464
>if you go into -effects casting acting lighting costume scenery angles cameras
You're not supposed to care about how a film it's made, unless (again) you're a pretentious faggot

>>18288203
>THERES A JOOJ ITO ANIME ITS SO FAMOUS
never met no one irl that heard about it, you know it cuz ur a weeaboo neet

>>18288500
well desu its not my fault if you are that shallow

I dont know shit about casting or camera angles but I'm a light designer and learned a lot of it with movies, paying attention to light balance and lumineers+fixtures models used

>>18288193
Classic example of how based cinema can get is Satantango. Krasznahorkai's novel is great, but Tarr's film adaptation is so powerful and unique that it exposes some limitations of literature. The way Tarr utilizes time, rhythm, camera movements, the way he decoupages each scene with such sparse techniques, it's just incredible, really. You can't do that with a book.

>>18287524
>>18287532
Jose Donoso is not good, just warning you guys

>>18285090
Filtered by Gallo

>>18288554
I’ve never met anyone irl who reads anything but YA or sports biographies. Dumb metric

>>18288702
>South American

into the trash it goes!

>>18288648
>Classic example of how based literature can get is Ulysses. Strick's film is great, but Joyce's original book is so powerful and unique that it exposes some limitations of cinema. The way Joyce utilizes language, rhythm, characters movements, the way he decoupages each scene with such sparse techniques, it's just incredible, really. You can't do that with a film.

>>18288717
Anglo cope

>>18288750
>Strick's film is great
no it isn't

>>18288750
Well, yeah? You probably can't do that with a film. I say "probably" because this Strick guy is a literal who, maybe some talented director could make a great adaptation.

>>18288750
Almost as if literature and film have different strengths and weaknesses

>>18285959
>How do these work?
They don't. Unless you're autistic enough to use the internet as an MMORPG and keep grinding and progressing through shitty sites until maybe you get to the good ones eventually.

>>18288805
>>18288842
>>18288831
The point is that all media (not mediums, fuck the english idiom) have their own language, technique and advantages that are inimitable in other media. Not that it's anything new, of course.

>>18288554
the average normie hasn't heard about brothers karamazov either but that doesn't mean it's a hidden gem you absolute faggot.

>>18287524
> too loud a solitude
can't rec this one enough. if you feel the friction against the natural progress of time and technology, if you butterly cling to your comfy outdated ways, if you feel washed away on the shore and obsolete - and dont want any soulless just-move-on bullshit - this short brilliant book is for you
it resonated deeply with me

>>18287705
is there any translation? it only has a french edition on plebreads
>>18287992
have some Cocteau downloaded already. what would you rec by Drieu and Giono?

adding another rec - magnificent prose and portrayal of people. Yanoi still sticks with me. it's said the movie is more popular, but i havent seen that yet, cant say anything

>>18284698
same, usually self-made films, and 99% of obscure films are obscure for a reason. they're shit.

>>18289493
What film would you say has the best Quality/Popularity ratio? meaning a film that is so obscure and yet so good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDhAVAlYTIQ

Finding interesting experimental film is tough.

>>18289551
>short film
into the trash it goes

>>18289551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw6exAfUWMI

https://letterboxd.com/rta/list/those-who-watched-them-fucking-loved-them/

>>18289551
Man Ray, Takashi Ito, Peter Tscherkassky and Stan Brakhage are the best imho.
I'm not that much into the whole remodernism thing, but Johnny Clyde (The Forgotten Colours of Dreams) and Scott Barley are alright.

>>18286310
I was looking up some of their books and I found only Murder Most Serene on libgen. It is a shame, their collection looks great. I don't mind paying for stuff, but with the international shipping fee it gets too expensive for me and importing stuff in my country is too much of a hassle in general, the taxes are all over the place.
But I'd be willing to bankroll some books for people that can scan them.

>>18289565
Cringe

https://0xdb.org/
wtf is this?

>>18288714
you've never been to a serious college then
>>18289174
Im not talking about normies, I'm talking about average people that READ
Ive heard Karamazov being namedropped so much already

>>18286610
Replace Don Quixote with Baldus by Merlin Coccai (Teofilo Folengo)

>>18289961
>max resolution 96p
Lmaoo into the trash it goes

>>18290534
It seems to be more of an AI search engine thing

>>18284347
Not /lit/, kys.

>>18286310
I've bought more books from Wakefield than anyone else. Like 6/8 of them are great the other 2 are just ok (Paul Scheerbart books by them)

>>18289877
Must suck paying international fees. If you're in the U.K. though check out Atlas Press. They publish really cool obscure, often since then untranslated works. I got a really cool book on Acephale, Georges Battellies secret society from them.

This Reading Guide is full of them. Out of print but you can find used copies online (and keep an eye out for it at used bookstores).

>somebody posts "hidden gems" of literature
>its all fiction
YAWN

>>18287532
5/24

>>18289530
Not him but Les Films Revés

>>18289877
same, brother, same. im finding euro or US anons to help me out

>>18291223
hey fren, which titles? would you mind scanning them in exchange for something?

>>18291570
Start a thread then edge lord. Bless /lit with your hipster insight and esoteric token intellectualism.

>>18291847
Pauwels is based. Haven't seen that one but "Letter from a Filmmaker to His Daughter" is really cute

>>18287992
>Giono

Celine was already the biggest author in France before he became controversial
Drieu was known in social circles as a bit of a leftists (pre 1934) who academia embraced when he wrote Will of the Wips and most of his books are autobiographical in a sense
Giono was just a pacifist for the large majority of the period he was writing and its through those works that he gained enough notoriarity to not be fully forgotten if he didn't write anything else, the accusations of his collaborationism were wack and he was welcomed back into society even if there was never any real reason to exclude him in the first place besides nazi paranoia
Cocteau was a gay and a druggie man, who was also pretty popular before his "right-wing" face and the only crime he did was continue being an artist in nazi times and not really caring much about the war

Of those only Drieu is the only one with a situation even remotely similar to Rebatet, but Drieu was still a relatively famous author well liked by literary circles before his nazis faze so its harder to erase history

Rebate, was a child of collaborationism, that's was how he first gained prominance and the only thing he was known for before and after ww2, when he published Les Deux he was only a "nazi" who had narrowly escaped the death penalty so there was nothing for people to "forget" there was only something for the people to "ignore" and for academia to hide. Rebatet the novel writer doesn't exist in the french consciousness and is thus in danger of being forgotten by history, mostly because people refuse to acknowledge his writings due to him being a "child of collaborationism"

Music of the Swamp by Lewis Nordan
New Tales of Tono by Hisashi Inoue

>>18284990
>A waking dream that moves from a saffron-dusted port to a sanatorium monastery, where peculiar monks engage in vegetal diets and ritualistic pomp as they await “the celebration of the king.”
What the fuck I need to read this.

>>18285985
Fellini's Casanova and Satyricon adaptations if you haven't already seen them.

>>18284347
Where is /film/?

>>18292529
It's one of the general threads on /tv/

>>18292538
Oh gotcha. Was thinking it was a separate image board or something

>>18292566
We wish :(

>>18292446
Indeed its my second favorite of his. Know any other similar documentary filmmakers?

>>18293072
You might enjoy these:
>Lacrau (João Vladimiro, 2013)
>American Hunger (Ephraim Asili, 2013)
>Motu Maeva (Maureen Fazendeiro, 2014)
>Sin Dios ni Santa María (Samuel M. Delgado & Helena Girón, 2015)
>Events in a Cloud Chamber (Ashim Ahluwalia, 2016)
>Dopisy otci (Črt Brajnik, 2016)
>That Cloud Never Left (Yashaswini Raghunandan, 2019)
They share the cute-wistful feel of "Letter from a Filmmaker...", more or less.

>>18284347
Japanese, french and italian postwar films arent hidden gems. They are the highest rated films on pop film websites.

>>18293102
Thanks I'll check em out. I recommend the metamorphosis of birds if you haven't seen it already

>>18293409
Yeah, I have. One of the better films to come out recently.

>>18289530
Doomed Love by Manoel de Oliveira