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“Every breath from my
bronze-pounded chest,
we will raise this wounded world into a wondrous one.
We will rise from the gold-limbed hills of the west.
We will rise from the windswept northeast,
where our forefathers first realized revolution.
We will rise from the lake-rimmed cities of the midwestern states.
We will rise from the sunbaked south.
We will rebuild, reconcile and recover.
And every known nook of our nation and
every corner called our country,
our people diverse and beautiful will emerge,
battered and beautiful.”

Holy fuck this gives me chills. She’s so unironically talented. This is better than any garbage Keats, Wordsworth, Poe, or Baudelaire and whoever else belched out about daffodils or hills or whatever.

You know it’s good for not other reason that she got to deliver it at the fucking President’s behest. Very talented woman (more talented than anyone here for sure) who is a name to watch. Can’t wait for her upcoming poetry collection.

>> No.18278078

i don't like poetry, so i don't care.
but you should know this is a racist board and posting this is obvious troll-bait that will accomplish nothing.
i hope it makes poetryfags mad though desu.

>> No.18278079

Imagine owning her as a slave and being able to force her to do whatever you wanted. I'd inspect her asshole every morning.

>> No.18278084

>>18278070
That jacket is probably worth more than I make in a month.

>> No.18278087

This thread would would be better if OP wasn't a faggot and also gay and had included a bawdy limerick on the subject of pink pussy between brown pussy lips or similar relevant subject material.

That's what I would've done.

>> No.18278089

>>18278070
I literally forgot she existed why'd you have to remind me op.

>> No.18278091
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18278091

>i don't like poetry, so I don’t care

>> No.18278095

>>18278070
>we will raise this wounded world into a wondrous one.
>We will rebuild, reconcile and recover.

I heard this one before
>Till we have built Jerusalem in England's green and pleasant land

instead they built NORF and rape gangs

>> No.18278099

>>18278095
>they
literally whom?

>> No.18278101

>diverse
She should at least avoid overused words such as this, the most overused of all. Say it a different way my dear.

>> No.18278102

>>18278070
I would watch her squat over a toilet and shit her brains out, not knowing that I broke the plunger. As she, embarrassed, slunk away from the toilet, ashamed of her sloppy stew, I would devilishly make my way into the stench room where her "cooking" lay. Then, I would have my meal

>> No.18278104

>>18278079
I'd make her pick cotton.

>> No.18278111

>>18278091
imo nael's tiger poem is literally in the same tier as the greatest of rilke's works.
it's the finger-painting of literature.

>> No.18278116

>>18278099
the eternal immanentizers of the eschaton, the deluded revolutionary

>> No.18278118

>>18278070
this is perhaps the most generic, focus-grouped, corporate churned, sanitized, inoffensive, dribble i have read

the exact poem you would use for car commercials

>> No.18278129

>>18278111
God damn /lit/ so fucking stupid hahahahaha

>> No.18278139

>>18278129
No one cares about poetry. Literally no one. Let it go. I want to talk about that n-word shitting. I have a 134 IQ btw

>> No.18278140

>>18278129
poetryfag is mad.
poetry is the one that's really stupid.

>> No.18278142

>>18278111
trips if truth

>> No.18278149

>>18278118
Cool. So why didn’t you get invited to recite your poetry for the inaugural address if you’re so much more talented, white boy?

Let me guess, something something white genocide something something I can’t get a girlfriend

>> No.18278151

>>18278111
This, poetry is for women and children

>> No.18278162

>>18278149
I can't even pretend to get mad about this. I feel like you don't have a job or happy life to even want to project that on to me. Get a grip

>> No.18278166

>>18278149
the DNC is after all the great arbiter of poetic worth

>> No.18278190

>>18278149
I would watch her squat over a toilet and shit her brains out, not knowing that I broke the plunger. As she, embarrassed, slunk away from the toilet, ashamed of her sloppy stew, I would devilishly make my way into the stench room where her "cooking" lay. Then, I would have my meal

>> No.18278201

>>18278190
immaculate.

>> No.18278202

>>18278084
Yeah, but you're probably a white male and thus more privileged than her

>> No.18278205

>>18278070
It's not horrible, but it's amateur and you can tell she's just being trotted out because it is politically expedient. . "bronze-pounded chest" is a bit cringey, was it pounded by bronze? Why must women bring their anatomy into everything as a matter of pride and this is accepted, though a man bragging about the size of his cock is seen as crass?
>where our forefathers first realized revolution.
I like this because it extends a fig leaf of racial reconciliation. Those forefathers were all slave-holding white ex-British men, but she is able to see beyond that.

>We will rise (x 4) repetition is not poetry. This repeated phrase is just an excuse not to do something more inventive in its place.

> known nook of our nation
>corner called our country
I find this use of alliteration somewhat pat.

>and beautiful will emerge,
battered and beautiful.”
Using beautiful twice? Give me a break. That's just lazy.
>our people diverse and beautiful will emerge,
"diverse" is such a hackneyed and corporatized word, utterly drained of its meaning in this context. Use allusion.

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18278211

>>18278070
>We will rise from the windswept northeast,
>where our forefathers first realized revolution.
Oh she's a commie too? What a surprise...

>> No.18278214

>>18278116
This befuddled the bot

>> No.18278219

I WANT TO EAT HER SHIT AND SUCK HER FARTS

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18278244

>post about literally any female on /lit/
>some anon talks about eating her shit
why is this board like this tho?

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18278246

>>18278151
>>18278139
>>18278111
How... how can you have a bone to pick with poetry as a fan of literature? I can’t even understand this mindset. I mean the Iliad and Odyssey are poems lmfao. It’s such a intensely retarded opinion. So many famous novelists also wrote poetry and considered themselves poets first and foremost. Help me to understand where this stupid as fuck idea you guys have in your head came from lol. Was this like in a Jordan Peterson video recently?

It reminds of guys on here who say they don’t “read fiction” and only “philosophy and history” which reveals they absolutely do not read the latter.

>> No.18278256

>>18278246
whats crazy is

that no one gives a shit what you think

hope that degree was worth the cost

>> No.18278274

>>18278246
to me being a fan of poetry is like being a fan of colors.
i like paintings, but colors are just an aspect of it.

>> No.18278280

>>18278246
also im pretty sure a pretentious no-talent type with artistic "aspirations" like Jordan Peterson would actually like poetry.
it's probably the best he could do.

>> No.18278283

I like her poetry on a prose level but I do think that what she's writing about is sanitized feel-good propaganda, the thomas kinkade of poetry for liberals

>> No.18278298

>>18278283
you think she ever lifts a cheek and cuts one while she's writing. lets it waft up to her nostrils and inhales deeply.

>> No.18278299

Fuck whiteness

>> No.18278300

>>18278111
>>18278139
>>18278162
Leave the board

I'm serious. Get the fuck off of /lit/. If you can't appreciate the oldest and purest form of literature you do not have any business being on a literature board. Get off the board or kill yourself or both.

>> No.18278305

>>18278300
cringe.

>> No.18278307

>>18278300
"no"

i do like politics tho >.<

>> No.18278315

>>18278300
i also like cave-paintings.

>> No.18278323

>>18278139
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree:
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea.
So twice five miles of fertile ground
With walls and towers were girdled round;
And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills,
Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree;
And here were forests ancient as the hills,
Enfolding sunny spots of greenery.

But oh! that deep romantic chasm which slanted
Down the green hill athwart a cedarn cover!
A savage place! as holy and enchanted
As e’er beneath a waning moon was haunted
By woman wailing for her demon-lover!
And from this chasm, with ceaseless turmoil seething,
As if this earth in fast thick pants were breathing,
A mighty fountain momently was forced:
Amid whose swift half-intermitted burst
Huge fragments vaulted like rebounding hail,
Or chaffy grain beneath the thresher’s flail:
And mid these dancing rocks at once and ever
It flung up momently the sacred river.
Five miles meandering with a mazy motion
Through wood and dale the sacred river ran,
Then reached the caverns measureless to man,
And sank in tumult to a lifeless ocean;
And ’mid this tumult Kubla heard from far
Ancestral voices prophesying war!
The shadow of the dome of pleasure
Floated midway on the waves;
Where was heard the mingled measure
From the fountain and the caves.
It was a miracle of rare device,
A sunny pleasure-dome with caves of ice!

A damsel with a dulcimer
In a vision once I saw:
It was an Abyssinian maid
And on her dulcimer she played,
Singing of Mount Abora.
Could I revive within me
Her symphony and song,
To such a deep delight ’twould win me,
That with music loud and long,
I would build that dome in air,
That sunny dome! those caves of ice!
And all who heard should see them there,
And all should cry, Beware! Beware!
His flashing eyes, his floating hair!
Weave a circle round him thrice,
And close your eyes with holy dread
For he on honey-dew hath fed,
And drunk the milk of Paradise.


Poetry, when it's good, is the best of literature.

>> No.18278328

>>18278323
nah, that sucks.
i'd rather read it in story form.

>> No.18278329

>>18278274
???

And prose isn’t a component of literature??!?!?! Horrible analogy.

You sound so dumb man lol.

>> No.18278336

>>18278329
no, retard.
that's not what i'm saying.
i'm not a fan of prose either outside of a narrative or structure.
"wow, you wrote pretty words in a wroy with alliteration and shit really cool!"

>> No.18278338

>>18278246
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Poetry is gay
And so are you!

>> No.18278341

>>18278336
in a row*

>> No.18278342

>>18278336
>hates poetry for some nonsensical reason (because he’s dumb and thinks it’s feminine is the real reason)
>”i'm not a fan of prose either”

Dude why the fuck are you on the /lit/ board then...

>> No.18278348

>>18278323
This. Poetry can say in a few lines what it sometimes takes a novel to do in a 1000 pages.

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18278365

Dude irony lmao amirite

>> No.18278375

>>18278342
nah, i don't even think there's anything wrong with feminity. art is kinda feminine in general, but if you don't have some actual nuts thrown in there you're kinda wasting everyone's time.
It's why good women leaders tend to act like men.

>> No.18278376

>>18278365
Why isn’t the US military using this

>> No.18278403

>>18278376
Wouldnt work in Iraq

>> No.18278423

>>18278403
Yeah, they'd just rape the goats

>> No.18278479

>>18278070
That's some lazy repetition. My version of this stupid inauguration poem was far better.

>> No.18278555

>>18278070
girl packs the Neapolitan flavors into those size five and a half (US) tootsie treasures

>> No.18278889

>>18278190
De Sade would be proud

>> No.18279109

OOGA BOOGA
KARA BOOGA
GIMME STUFF N SHIEEEET

>> No.18279119
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18279119

>>18278070
This poem is shit from a formal perspective. It's like this girl wanted to be Maya Angelou but she's not a tenth as talented as Angelou actually was. Don't write free verse if you're not good at it.

>> No.18279138

>>18278246
>Was this like in a Jordan Peterson video recently?
Why are people like you so obsessed with that guy? LMAO let it go. The guy has videos analysing the bible (very poetic obviously) and talks about Dostoevsky (very influenced by Pushkin) and Nietzsche (who wrote in a very poetic style and about the subject a lot), and you somehow want to pin this on him?
Stop being a fucking retard and making everything for/against your political heros/boogeymen

>> No.18279161

>>18278070
>When day comes we ask ourselves,
>where can we find light in this never-ending shade?
cliche
>The loss we carry,
>a sea we must wade.
cliche
>We've braved the belly of the beast,
cliche
>We've learned that quiet isn't always peace,
>and the norms and notions
>of what just is
>isn't always just-ice.
cringe
>And yet the dawn is ours
>before we knew it.
>Somehow we do it.
>Somehow we've weathered and witnessed
>a nation that isn't broken,
>but simply unfinished.
saccharine
>We the successors of a country and a time where a skinny Black girl
>descended from slaves and raised by a single mother
>can dream of becoming president
>only to find herself reciting for one.
holy cringe
>And yes we are far from polished.
>Far from pristine.
>But that doesn't mean we are
>striving to form a union that is perfect.
non-poetic
>We are striving to forge a union with purpose,
>to compose a country committed to all cultures, colors, characters and
conditions of man.
boring agitprop
>And so we lift our gazes not to what stands between us,
>but what stands before us.
cringe
>We close the divide because we know, to put our future first,
>we must first put our differences aside.
cringe
>We lay down our arms
>so we can reach out our arms
>to one another.
cringe
>We seek harm to none and harmony for all.
>Let the globe, if nothing else, say this is true,
>that even as we grieved, we grew,
>that even as we hurt, we hoped,
>that even as we tired, we tried,
>that we'll forever be tied together, victorious.
cringe
>Not because we will never again know defeat,
>but because we will never again sow division.
>Scripture tells us to envision
>that everyone shall sit under their own vine and fig tree
>and no one shall make them afraid.
insincere appeal to Bible for a president who wants to mutilate your kids' genitals
>If we're to live up to our own time,
>then victory won't lie in the blade.
>But in all the bridges we've made,
>that is the promise to glade,
>the hill we climb.
cringe and boring
>If only we dare.
>It's because being American is more than a pride we inherit,
>it's the past we step into
>and how we repair it.
boring

>> No.18279172

>>18279161
>We've seen a force that would shatter our nation
>rather than share it.
>Would destroy our country if it meant delaying democracy.
>And this effort very nearly succeeded.
cheap agitprop
>But while democracy can be periodically delayed,
>it can never be permanently defeated.
unimaginative
>In this truth,
>in this faith we trust.
>For while we have our eyes on the future,
>history has its eyes on us.
>This is the era of just redemption
>we feared at its inception.
cringe
>We did not feel prepared to be the heirs
>of such a terrifying hour
>but within it we found the power
>to author a new chapter.
getting repetitive
>To offer hope and laughter to ourselves.
>So while once we asked,
>how could we possibly prevail over catastrophe?
>Now we assert,
>How could catastrophe possibly prevail over us?
holy cringe
>We will not march back to what was,
>but move to what shall be.
>A country that is bruised but whole,
>benevolent but bold,
>fierce and free.
okay we get it
>We will not be turned around
>or interrupted by intimidation,
>because we know our inaction and inertia
>will be the inheritance of the next generation.
>Our blunders become their burdens.
>But one thing is certain,
>If we merge mercy with might,
>and might with right,
>then love becomes our legacy,
>and change our children's birthright.
gibberish
>So let us leave behind a country
>better than the one we were left with.
cliche
>Every breath from my bronze-pounded chest,
yuck
>we will raise this wounded world into a wondrous one.
>We will rise from the gold-limbed hills of the west.
>We will rise from the windswept northeast, where our forefathers first realized revolution.
>We will rise from the lake-rimmed cities of the midwestern states.
>We will rise from the sunbaked south.
>We will rebuild, reconcile and recover.
>And every known nook of our nation and
every corner called our country,
>our people diverse and beautiful will emerge,
battered and beautiful.
>When day comes we step out of the shade,
aflame and unafraid,
>the new dawn blooms as we free it.
>For there is always light,
>if only we're brave enough to see it.
>If only we're brave enough to be it.
cringe, cliche and cheap agitprop

>> No.18279653

>>18278329
Prose is far and away the weakest component of literature. Novels survive on the content of their ideas alone. Only the greatest of fags jerk off over prose and over value prose. Imagine for a second believing Nabokov was the better novelist than Dostoevsky.

>> No.18279683

>>18278070
>White people BTFO [x]
>Western Canon BTFO [x]
>/lit/ on suicide watch [x]
>/pol/ literally shaking [x]
Black excellence is the future. BLM, btw.

>> No.18279822

>>18278070
This reads like a sanitized McDonald's version of poetry. Like that "fight song" of a few years back.

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18281214

>>18278202
More privileged? If that woman was white she wouldn’t be up there.

>> No.18281237

>>18278166
Rekt

>> No.18281264

>>18278070
The poem is cliché and plain as fuck just as >>18279161 >>18279172 said.

This bitch could only be useful as the political tool she is because it's insipid enough to appeal the lowest common denominator.

>> No.18281267

>>18279119
At least one person sees that some group of government officials in this clown world is trying to reconstruct the impact Maya had.

>> No.18281274

>>18279683
>mediocrity is the future
missed the mark

>> No.18281281

>>18281214
Fuck off namefag.
Burgers get the culture they deserve and worked toward.

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>>18278070
Isn't poetry supposed to invite introspection or at least be mildly prophetical? This is just stock imagery and banal historical/geographic references; just the modern vouge of identity politics ideology combined with shit that looks like it was pulled from a motivational poster. Even the structure of it looks like it was done using Mad Libs.

That poem is just canned garbage, inspirational to already converted midwits.

>> No.18281326

>>18278118
This is true, and based
>>18278149
This is seethe, and cringe
>>18278219
This is sneed, and feed

>> No.18281329

>>18278079
I'd fuck her every morning

>> No.18281404

>>18278205
"Cringy?" It means it was pounded from bronze. And I don't think the poem is from the perspective of the poet, but rather some abstract spirit; I guess it's trying to evoke images of a deep-chested, bronze statue. Not titties, but chest. The part beneath the titties.

The rest is strained and unnecessary; just because a different word can be used doesn't mean it should; base repetition has a power of its own, and she seems to be aiming more for inspiration than "finesse" or "innovation." And so, her poem remains a brief footnote in history, and only because of its association with the inauguration.

Perhaps she did not have the "corporatized" meaning of the word in mind; this is what I despise about culture souring the taste of words. You can't use "diverse" because it has a PC connotation; you can't use "gay" because it has a homosexual connotation. On and on; stop nitpicking.

>>18278479
Do post it

>>18279161
>>that even as we tired, we tried
I thought this was ebonics for a moment

>wardine be cry

>>18279172
It's obvious you hate it all; what would be more interesting is telling us what the best line was.

>> No.18281441

>>18278102
exquisite

>> No.18281491

This is the kind of trash where even the people who like it know damn well it’s trash, but they’ll defend it to their last breath on principle that it SHOULD be good— like people who say Michelle Obama is attractive.

>> No.18281536

>>18278070
>We will rebuild, reconcile and recover.
Your people will be back in the mud huts we found them in when the welfare spigot is turned off.

>> No.18281542 [DELETED] 

>>18281404
Re:>>18278205
>Cringy
Yeah, it was. And it's incredibly awkward as well. Anon was making fun of the syntax of it. As far as the symbolism goes, "bronze" obviously references skin colour and evokes a non-sequitur to Bronze Age classicism. Further, combined with the beat it's a defiant image (i.e. chest-pounding...which is associated with primates; I highly doubt comparing herself to an ape was a conscious choice...it would have actually been kind of clever if it were).
>just because a different word can be used doesn't mean it should; base repetition has a power of its own
Word choice is important in poetry. Also, the problem is that she isn't using repetition in the way you're alluding. The structure looks like it was lifted from Mad Libs... it's paint by numbers.
>he seems to be aiming more for inspiration than "finesse" or "innovation."
I wrote "That poem is just canned garbage, inspirational to already converted midwits." above and fully stand by that comment. It's vogue ideological drivel combined with contrived imagery.
>her poem remains a brief footnote in history, and only because of its association with the inauguration.
?this is what I despise about culture souring the taste of words. You can't use "diverse" because it has a PC connotation; you can't use "gay" because it has a homosexual connotation. On and on; stop nitpickin
Jesus, what is it with black people and melodramatic sentence structure (it's almost as much of a marker as being unnecessarily verbose or overusing the term "so-called"). At least her poem reframed from that.
>what would be more interesting is telling us what the best line was
The anon who trigged you the hardest actually did that, retard.

>> No.18281551

>>18281404
Re:>>18278205
>Cringy
Yeah, it was. And it's incredibly awkward as well. Anon was making fun of the syntax of it. As far as the symbolism goes, "bronze" obviously references skin colour and evokes a non-sequitur to Bronze Age classicism. Further, combined with the beat it's a defiant image (i.e. chest-pounding...which is associated with primates; I highly doubt comparing herself to an ape was a conscious choice...it would have actually been kind of clever if it were).
>just because a different word can be used doesn't mean it should; base repetition has a power of its own
Word choice is important in poetry. Also, the problem is that she isn't using repetition in the way you're alluding. The structure looks like it was lifted from Mad Libs... it's paint by numbers.
>he seems to be aiming more for inspiration than "finesse" or "innovation."
I wrote "That poem is just canned garbage, inspirational to already converted midwits." above and fully stand by that comment. It's vogue ideological drivel combined with contrived imagery.
>her poem remains a brief footnote in history, and only because of its association with the inauguration.
>this is what I despise about culture souring the taste of words. You can't use "diverse" because it has a PC connotation; you can't use "gay" because it has a homosexual connotation. On and on; stop nitpickin
Jesus, what is it with black people and melodramatic sentence structure (it's almost as much of a marker as being unnecessarily verbose or overusing the term "so-called"). At least her poem reframed from that.
>what would be more interesting is telling us what the best line was
The anon who trigged you the hardest actually did that, retard.

>> No.18281640

>>18281551
>As far as the symbolism goes, "bronze" obviously references skin colour
Of course; but the "pounding" means "pounded from," as a tool or sword might be pounded.

>The structure looks like it was lifted from Mad Libs
How does this address my point? I noted that the usage was base and pragmatic, rather than poetic. It's political drivel.

>It's vogue ideological drivel combined with contrived imagery.
Of course it is, and I am glad to see you agree with me on one thing.

>Jesus, what is it with black people and melodramatic sentence structure
I'm not black, I just like critiquing the critics, no matter who made the poem.

>The anon who trigged you the hardest actually did that, retard.
I didn't use any epithets, and I am "triggered?" Where did he present the best line in those two posts? I did not say that "you hated it all" because I am angry, but rather because writing "cringe/boring/trite" after every line is a boring read, and predictable.

>> No.18281692

>>18278079
>I'd inspect her asshole every morning.
based

>> No.18281787

>>18278111
I don't understand this post. It's like you trying to put down Rilke by comparing his works to Nael's tiger poem? Nael is peak poetry, of course everyone else is worse, there is no shame in it.

>> No.18281797 [DELETED] 

what an amazing nigger monkey, reciting poem and all. Every time a nigger monkey do something humanlike it will always be newsworthy. What a milestone for nigger monkey folks

>> No.18281865

>>18281640
>"pounding" means "pounded from," as a tool or sword might be pounded.
No shit; that's the literal object. There's also something cally symbolism (you haven't actually read much poetry, have you?)
> I noted that the usage was base and pragmatic, rather than poetic.
Since we're literally discussing poetry here, that's an absolutely midwit take. I think you're trying to say that it's "direct/clear and focused" instead of "elusive and ornamented." However, I was referencing the fact that it's generic to the point of being boring (e.g. referencing WEST/NORTHEAST/midWEST/SOUTH (notice the accidential repetition of 'west') then running into "every known nook of our nation" and "corner called out country"...it's akin to a framing device given as a high school assignment. Aside, as the other ANON pointed out, the alliteration comes off as cheap).
>I am glad to see you agree with me on one thing.
Your reply to the other anon wasn't clear. It comes off as both disagreeing with the other Anon while also defending the poem (e.g. "And so, her poem remains a brief footnote in history, and only because of its association with the inauguration"). You send mixed messages in your writing.
>I'm not black
Cool.
>I didn't use any epithets, and I am "triggered?"
Also cool. Chalk that down to your unclear writing style.
>Where did he present the best line in those two posts?
He literally quoted it ("where our forefathers first realized revolution"). What, do you mean best technical line or something? Again, you're too unclear.
>rather because writing "cringe/boring/trite" after every line is a boring read, and predictable
It's an online forum; be prepared for that. Just do what I do and talk past them while inviting them to catch up (of course, you'll have to work on your clarity before you can intentionally filter people).

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Can’t believe there’s people actually taking this bait

>> No.18281925

>>18278246
Kill yourself; poetry isn't literature. It's garbage.

>> No.18281952

>>18281925
Who is your favorite writer or writers ?

>> No.18282060

>>18281952
Jane Austen

>> No.18282069

>>18281885
your white opinion has been noted

>> No.18282103

>>18278070
>Every breath from my
bronze-pounded chest,
I'd pound her bronze chest

>> No.18282113

>>18278070
Powerful. I'm glad the blackinese have representation.

>> No.18282185

>>18278190
Fucking kek glad I clicked on this shit thread

>> No.18282233

>>18281865
>No shit; that's the literal object. There's also something cally symbolism (you haven't actually read much poetry, have you?)
I knew that, you just didn't respond to it.

>I was referencing the fact that it's generic to the point of being boring
We were discussing the repetition of "we will raise," but this can be covered, too; and rather than being vitriolic, perhaps we can work this out. What better words could be used in lieu of the cardinal directions? Could we refer to mountain ranges (geographical features), titles (e.g., Bread Basket, the Great Plains, etc.)? If so, her poem suffers from a lack of imagination, and I see what you mean. "We will raise" gave the poem an inspirational, speech-like quality (repetitiousness notwithstanding), but the OTHER repetitions do appear like factory-built frames filled out with adjectives, like:

>From [description] West
>From [description] East
>...

>You send mixed messages in your writing.
Perhaps you receive mixed messages; it's just a footnote. The only reason it is even that much is because its context.

>He literally quoted it ("where our forefathers first realized revolution"). What, do you mean best technical line or something? Again, you're too unclear.
That question was directed toward >>18279161 , not to >>18278205 . I was not aware these were the same anons; there was nothing unclear about this.

>It's an online forum; be prepared for that. Just do what I do and talk past them while inviting them to catch up
Once more, there was nothing unclear; you became unreasonably angry, and are trying to save face by pinning the blame on some ephemeral "unclarity" of mine; no hard feelings- as you said: "It's an online forum; be prepared for that."

I'm not trying to make you angry, I just want to see people show how they'd do things better. I know what bad poetry looks like, and I may sometimes make the same mistakes when writing it; so, I would like to also see such poetry fixed, or redeemed.

>> No.18282282

>>18278070
nigger

>> No.18282448

>>18282233
>I knew that, you just didn't respond to it.
What are you talking about? I explained the symbolism implied by it (i.e. color, non sequitur nature of evoking the Bronze Age, and made a joke about chest-pounding and primates). You offered a shallow take about forging mental (which was literal) and I responded by telling you I already talked about the symbolism involved (see above). Are you trying to troll or something?
>We were discussing the repetition of "we will raise,"
Notice the "however" in the sentence I wrote. I was no longer talking about word choice but structure. I noted that dividing the country and referring to regions in line with a compass (and then wrapping the thought up with "nook of our nation" and "corner called out country" seemed like a trick someone would use to guide a high school assignment...Mad Libs).

The "we will rise" repetition was the example used by the other anon (to that I'll just add that it is boring and generic, it's in line with what I said about it being canned/contrived inspiration for the already converted). It's cheap and sounds like something a teenager would write.
I wouldn't nitpick word choice in this poem because it's bland from the ground up (i.e. changing a few words won't make it better).
>Perhaps you receive mixed messages
No, you're writing is unclear (i.e you run between thoughts in the same sentence). Also, your use of punctuation is odd (which probably indicates you're using it as a crutch instead of clarifying your thoughts as you write them). Your messages read like you're brainstorming instead of explaining what you're getting at/clarifying a point.
>That question was directed toward
Fair enough. They probably aren't; I took it as a general comment toward the lack of constructive (and/or shallow) criticism of the poem. (That seemed to be a theme in line with most of your messages).
>Once more, there was nothing unclear; you became unreasonably angry
I'm not angry, I was annoyed by your writing style/shallow takes. I still say that you're writing is extremely unclear and it takes more effort to make sense of what you're saying than it's worth. However, I have nothing better to do at the moment so I'm carrying on the conversation nonetheless.

Like, are you trying to reform this poem into a better one? It probably can't be done. I can clarify why people are calling it out as bad, and I can make a leap and tell you people like it because canned wisdom being spouted by a token minority in the age of identity politics (i.e. it sells to midwits)...but there's no point rewriting the poem because it's so generic. Also, the fact her public reading was just virtue-signaling orchestrated by and for the political class, a contrived message to preach to the converted, makes the whole thing lame.
>I just want to see people show how they'd do things better.
You have to read between the lines. The bottom line is the politicization/pandering. The poem itself is boring.

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>>18282233
My comment ran too long. Check out this book (pic). It's a good basic intro for reading (and writing) poetry. If you think you're ready for something more academic/advanced, check out The Book of Forms.by Turco.